Re: OT: Unrest, Riots, Arson & Looting in South Africa

[P. J. Alling]

Stay safe.

On 7/15/2021 6:32 AM, Alan C wrote:

Just to let you know.

Sparked by the imprisonment of former President Jacob Zuma, South 
Africa has descended into a near state of anarchy in several densely 
populated areas no doubt orchestrated by Zuma supporters. The level of 
destruction is very serious & will lead to many problems in the near 
future especially the distribution of essential goods because delivery 
trucks have been burned on the highways too.


The authorities have been slow to react but Taxi Associations & 
vigilanties are fighting back to save their infrastructure from 
pillage. The Police & Army have been overwhelmed.


Fortunately there are no problems in the Lowveld yet but roadblocks 
have been set up on the main roads into Phalaborwa as a precaution 
after intelligence suggested that hordes may be on their way.


Please look on the internet if you want more details & commentary.


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RE: Unrest, Riots, Arson & Looting in South Africa

[jcoyle]

Hope it settles down soon: Zuma could probably make an appeal to his supporters 
to stop the rioting, but I doubt he
will.
Stay safe, Alan.

John in Brisbane



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Subject: OT: Unrest, Riots, Arson & Looting in South Africa

Just to let you know.

Sparked by the imprisonment of former President Jacob Zuma, South Africa 
has descended into a near state of anarchy in several densely populated 
areas no doubt orchestrated by Zuma supporters. The level of destruction 
is very serious & will lead to many problems in the near future 
especially the distribution of essential goods because delivery trucks 
have been burned on the highways too.

The authorities have been slow to react but Taxi Associations & 
vigilanties are fighting back to save their infrastructure from pillage. 
The Police & Army have been overwhelmed.

Fortunately there are no problems in the Lowveld yet but roadblocks have 
been set up on the main roads into Phalaborwa as a precaution after 
intelligence suggested that hordes may be on their way.

Please look on the internet if you want more details & commentary.


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Re: OT: Unrest, Riots, Arson & Looting in South Africa

[Brian W]

Yes - we've been hearing about the riots via a contact my wife has in SA - and
on our local news channels. Sounds very frightening. I hope the army and police
can restore order soon.

Keep yourself out of harm's way.


Best wishes
Brian

> On 15 July 2021 at 20:32 Alan C  wrote:
> 
> 
> Just to let you know.
> 
> Sparked by the imprisonment of former President Jacob Zuma, South Africa 
> has descended into a near state of anarchy in several densely populated 
> areas no doubt orchestrated by Zuma supporters. The level of destruction 
> is very serious & will lead to many problems in the near future 
> especially the distribution of essential goods because delivery trucks 
> have been burned on the highways too.
> 
> The authorities have been slow to react but Taxi Associations & 
> vigilanties are fighting back to save their infrastructure from pillage. 
> The Police & Army have been overwhelmed.
> 
> Fortunately there are no problems in the Lowveld yet but roadblocks have 
> been set up on the main roads into Phalaborwa as a precaution after 
> intelligence suggested that hordes may be on their way.
> 
> Please look on the internet if you want more details & commentary.
> 
> 
> Alan C
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Re: 16-50 redo

[Henk Terhell]

$1400 according to Imaging Resource:
https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2021/07/14/ricoh-announced-new-da-16-50mm-f-2.8-aps-c-with-new-advanced-pulse-motor-pl

Henk

Op 2021-07-15 om 17:12 schreef Bill:

On 7/15/2021 1:14 AM, mike wilson wrote:



On 15 July 2021 at 07:49 Larry Colen  wrote:


It looks like Ricoh is coming out with a new version of the 16-50:

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/star_lens/special/sp_da16-50/interview/ 



My first thought is that they really ought to have made it a 15-50 
or some other adjustment to the range just so it isn’t confused for 
the original.


I also note that this bodes well for K-3 iii owners, but maybe not 
so well for the K-1 crowd.


In any case, it will be interesting to see how it actually performs 
once it is available.


I must admit to a burning curiosity over the "strict standards of the 
next-generation star series" which, without the benefit of 
futuresight, I would have described as theoretical aspirations.  Or 
maybe I just woke up particularly skeptical this morning.


You just haven't been paying attention. The Star series lenses are 
moving towards optical performance with no compromises, and 
sufficiently high optical standards to be able to support much higher 
pixel densities.


One of the things I noticed when moving up the pixel count ladder was 
that lenses that were great at 6mp became lens and less good as the 
pixel count increased and their weaknesses were exaggerated. Ricoh is 
making the new Star lenses to a much higher optical standard in an 
attempt to future proof the designs as much as possible.


And yes, they are also moving towards being very expensive objects. 
The price of admission for the 16-50 will be in the US$2k range, which 
is a significant price jump from the just over US$1k price of the lens 
it is replacing.


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Re: 16-50 redo

[mike wilson]

> On 15 July 2021 at 16:12 Bill  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 7/15/2021 1:14 AM, mike wilson wrote:
> > 
> >> On 15 July 2021 at 07:49 Larry Colen  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> It looks like Ricoh is coming out with a new version of the 16-50:
> >>
> >> http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/star_lens/special/sp_da16-50/interview/
> >>
> >> My first thought is that they really ought to have made it a 15-50 or some 
> >> other adjustment to the range just so it isn’t confused for the original.
> >>
> >> I also note that this bodes well for K-3 iii owners, but maybe not so well 
> >> for the K-1 crowd.
> >>
> >> In any case, it will be interesting to see how it actually performs once 
> >> it is available.
> > 
> > I must admit to a burning curiosity over the "strict standards of the 
> > next-generation star series" which, without the benefit of futuresight, I 
> > would have described as theoretical aspirations.  Or maybe I just woke up 
> > particularly skeptical this morning.
> 
> You just haven't been paying attention. The Star series lenses are 
> moving towards optical performance with no compromises, and sufficiently 
> high optical standards to be able to support much higher pixel densities.

Sounds like an aspiration to me.
> 
> One of the things I noticed when moving up the pixel count ladder was 
> that lenses that were great at 6mp became lens and less good as the 
> pixel count increased and their weaknesses were exaggerated. Ricoh is 
> making the new Star lenses to a much higher optical standard in an 
> attempt to future proof the designs as much as possible.

And again.
> 
> And yes, they are also moving towards being very expensive objects. The 
> price of admission for the 16-50 will be in the US$2k range, which is a 
> significant price jump from the just over US$1k price of the lens it is 
> replacing.

My aspiration is to have the pennies to play in the deep end of the pool.
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Re: OT: Unrest, Riots, Arson & Looting in South Africa

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Stay safe, and let us know how you are doing when you con.

Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 6:33 AM Alan C  wrote:

> Just to let you know.
>
> Sparked by the imprisonment of former President Jacob Zuma, South Africa
> has descended into a near state of anarchy in several densely populated
> areas no doubt orchestrated by Zuma supporters. The level of destruction
> is very serious & will lead to many problems in the near future
> especially the distribution of essential goods because delivery trucks
> have been burned on the highways too.
>
> The authorities have been slow to react but Taxi Associations &
> vigilanties are fighting back to save their infrastructure from pillage.
> The Police & Army have been overwhelmed.
>
> Fortunately there are no problems in the Lowveld yet but roadblocks have
> been set up on the main roads into Phalaborwa as a precaution after
> intelligence suggested that hordes may be on their way.
>
> Please look on the internet if you want more details & commentary.
>
>
> Alan C
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Re: 16-50 redo

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I think you speak for a lot of us there, PJ!

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On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 7:10 AM P. J. Alling 
wrote:

> Not for me really. I have what I need right now, as well as a lot of
> things I don't, and only have a very short purchase list, most of which
> I cannot afford.
>
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Re: The ist D

[Darren Addy]

What a great video Juan. I love everything about them, and particularly the
excellent images that you showcase. Am I to assume the opening shot is
taped over with black gaffer's tape to make it less noticeable as a street
camera? I'm curious about your street shooting technique(s). Do you always
look through the viewfinder? Or do you sometimes shoot from the hip &
recompose with cropping. Just love your work!

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 12:14 PM Juan Buhler  wrote:

> Hi PDML,
>
> I uploaded a little video "review" of the old ist D:
>
> https://youtu.be/D7AppzyiFII
>
> "Review" between quotes because I'm not talking specs or anything, nobody
> should care about that by now. It's more about my history with it and about
> the photos I took.
>
> Planning to do the K10D next and the K5 after that.
>
> Comments welcome!
>
> j
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Re: OT: Unrest, Riots, Arson & Looting in South Africa

[mike wilson]

Best of luck, Alan.

> On 15 July 2021 at 11:32 Alan C  wrote:
> 
> 
> Just to let you know.
> 
> Sparked by the imprisonment of former President Jacob Zuma, South Africa 
> has descended into a near state of anarchy in several densely populated 
> areas no doubt orchestrated by Zuma supporters. The level of destruction 
> is very serious & will lead to many problems in the near future 
> especially the distribution of essential goods because delivery trucks 
> have been burned on the highways too.
> 
> The authorities have been slow to react but Taxi Associations & 
> vigilanties are fighting back to save their infrastructure from pillage. 
> The Police & Army have been overwhelmed.
> 
> Fortunately there are no problems in the Lowveld yet but roadblocks have 
> been set up on the main roads into Phalaborwa as a precaution after 
> intelligence suggested that hordes may be on their way.
> 
> Please look on the internet if you want more details & commentary.
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Re: 16-50 redo

[Paul Stenquist]

For K-1 we have the 24-70. Same FOV,

Paul

> On Jul 15, 2021, at 7:10 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> Not for me really. I have what I need right now, as well as a lot of things 
> I don't, and only have a very short purchase list, most of which I cannot 
> afford.
> 
> I expect, based on the new selling price of the K-3III that the price for 
> this lens will be astronomical, (not to mention the fact that inflation is 
> heating up and will end up eroding even more purchasing power).
> 
> I do hope that Ricoh sells a boat load of them, to keep the K mount system 
> alive.
> 
>> On 7/15/2021 2:49 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> It looks like Ricoh is coming out with a new version of the 16-50:
>> 
>> http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/star_lens/special/sp_da16-50/interview/
>> 
>> My first thought is that they really ought to have made it a 15-50 or some 
>> other adjustment to the range just so it isn’t confused for the original.
>> 
>> I also note that this bodes well for K-3 iii owners, but maybe not so well 
>> for the K-1 crowd.
>> 
>> In any case, it will be interesting to see how it actually performs once it 
>> is available.
>> 
>> 
>> --
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>> l...@red4est.com
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Re: 16-50 redo

[Bill]

On 7/15/2021 1:14 AM, mike wilson wrote:



On 15 July 2021 at 07:49 Larry Colen  wrote:


It looks like Ricoh is coming out with a new version of the 16-50:

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/star_lens/special/sp_da16-50/interview/

My first thought is that they really ought to have made it a 15-50 or some 
other adjustment to the range just so it isn’t confused for the original.

I also note that this bodes well for K-3 iii owners, but maybe not so well for 
the K-1 crowd.

In any case, it will be interesting to see how it actually performs once it is 
available.


I must admit to a burning curiosity over the "strict standards of the 
next-generation star series" which, without the benefit of futuresight, I would have 
described as theoretical aspirations.  Or maybe I just woke up particularly skeptical 
this morning.


You just haven't been paying attention. The Star series lenses are 
moving towards optical performance with no compromises, and sufficiently 
high optical standards to be able to support much higher pixel densities.


One of the things I noticed when moving up the pixel count ladder was 
that lenses that were great at 6mp became lens and less good as the 
pixel count increased and their weaknesses were exaggerated. Ricoh is 
making the new Star lenses to a much higher optical standard in an 
attempt to future proof the designs as much as possible.


And yes, they are also moving towards being very expensive objects. The 
price of admission for the 16-50 will be in the US$2k range, which is a 
significant price jump from the just over US$1k price of the lens it is 
replacing.


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Re: 16-50 redo

[Bill]

On 7/15/2021 12:49 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

It looks like Ricoh is coming out with a new version of the 16-50:

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/star_lens/special/sp_da16-50/interview/

My first thought is that they really ought to have made it a 15-50 or some 
other adjustment to the range just so it isn’t confused for the original.

I also note that this bodes well for K-3 iii owners, but maybe not so well for 
the K-1 crowd.



The K1 crowd just got a full refresh of the 31mm, 43mm and 77mm Limited 
lenses. Last year was the D FA*85/1.4 and the DFA 70-210/4, the only 
lenses introduced that year.. The year before that was the refresh of 
the 35/2 along with a refreshed DA10-17, in 2017 they introduced the 
DFA*50/1.4.
In 2016, two of the three lenses they introduced were full frame lenses 
and in 2015 three of the five lenses they introduced were for full 
frame. That year they also released a 645 lens.


The D FA 21mm LTD (another lens for the K1 crowd) will likely be 
announced within the next couple of months and should be on the market 
sometime in the fall.


I don't think the release of a lens to replace one that desperately 
needed replacing in the APS-C format is any kind of portent of bad 
things for full frame.


What was concerning was the lack of a new APS-C flagship. The K3 is a 
2013 release, and it got mildly pimped up up in 2015. Six to eight years 
was starting to look like the APS-C line was being relegated to red 
haired stepchild status, with second tier bodies becoming all that those 
users were going to be offered.


I expect that the Pentax 645 line isn't going forwards. I suspect they 
will quietly abandon it.


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Re: Amazon's brain dead marketing...

[Mark C]

A few months ago I bought a laptop from B Almost immediately after 
placing the order I started getting ads from B for the exact same 
laptop that I had just bought from them. The ads kept coming for weeks. 
It doesn't bother me but seemed like an inexplicable advertising strategy.


Mark


On 7/14/2021 12:57 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

Once again Amazon proves how brain dead their marketing is...

Why it's almost Pentax level, in fact I should take back calling it 
"brain dead" as that's an insult to the brain dead.


I say this because I've just pulled the trigger on a 27" monitor sold 
under the Philips brand, not the highest resolution but 124% sRGB IPS, 
which should be a major improvement over my current monitor for color 
matching, which until the death of my last 24" monitor sat on the 
shelf as a backup.


Within hours, actually less than two hours, of ordering the new 
monitor, I get an email from Woot, a wholly owned subsidiary of Amazon 
for what?  Why a 27" monitor of course, for more money, with a much 
narrower color gamut.


What the hell do they think I'm going to do buy another of them? If I 
were going to do that I'd get a second of the same model.


By the way if anyone is looking for a real budget photo monitor this 
one looks pretty good.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CLMDH3K/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8=1 



I'll know better when I get it, but for now...


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Re: 16-50 redo

[Henk Terhell]

PLM versus SDM will make the difference in properties as well as 
identification.

My Tamron 17-50/2.8 needs no replacement yet at a cost of $1400.

Henk

Op 2021-07-15 om 08:49 schreef Larry Colen:

It looks like Ricoh is coming out with a new version of the 16-50:

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/star_lens/special/sp_da16-50/interview/

My first thought is that they really ought to have made it a 15-50 or some 
other adjustment to the range just so it isn’t confused for the original.

I also note that this bodes well for K-3 iii owners, but maybe not so well for 
the K-1 crowd.

In any case, it will be interesting to see how it actually performs once it is 
available.


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Re: 16-50 redo

[mike wilson]

> On 15 July 2021 at 07:49 Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> It looks like Ricoh is coming out with a new version of the 16-50:
> 
> http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/star_lens/special/sp_da16-50/interview/
> 
> My first thought is that they really ought to have made it a 15-50 or some 
> other adjustment to the range just so it isn’t confused for the original.
> 
> I also note that this bodes well for K-3 iii owners, but maybe not so well 
> for the K-1 crowd.  
> 
> In any case, it will be interesting to see how it actually performs once it 
> is available.

I must admit to a burning curiosity over the "strict standards of the 
next-generation star series" which, without the benefit of futuresight, I would 
have described as theoretical aspirations.  Or maybe I just woke up 
particularly skeptical this morning.
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Re: 16-50 redo

[P. J. Alling]

Not for me really. I have what I need right now, as well as a lot of 
things I don't, and only have a very short purchase list, most of which 
I cannot afford.


I expect, based on the new selling price of the K-3III that the price 
for this lens will be astronomical, (not to mention the fact that 
inflation is heating up and will end up eroding even more purchasing power).


I do hope that Ricoh sells a boat load of them, to keep the K mount 
system alive.


On 7/15/2021 2:49 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

It looks like Ricoh is coming out with a new version of the 16-50:

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/star_lens/special/sp_da16-50/interview/

My first thought is that they really ought to have made it a 15-50 or some 
other adjustment to the range just so it isn’t confused for the original.

I also note that this bodes well for K-3 iii owners, but maybe not so well for 
the K-1 crowd.

In any case, it will be interesting to see how it actually performs once it is 
available.


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OT: Unrest, Riots, Arson & Looting in South Africa

[Alan C]

Just to let you know.

Sparked by the imprisonment of former President Jacob Zuma, South Africa 
has descended into a near state of anarchy in several densely populated 
areas no doubt orchestrated by Zuma supporters. The level of destruction 
is very serious & will lead to many problems in the near future 
especially the distribution of essential goods because delivery trucks 
have been burned on the highways too.


The authorities have been slow to react but Taxi Associations & 
vigilanties are fighting back to save their infrastructure from pillage. 
The Police & Army have been overwhelmed.


Fortunately there are no problems in the Lowveld yet but roadblocks have 
been set up on the main roads into Phalaborwa as a precaution after 
intelligence suggested that hordes may be on their way.


Please look on the internet if you want more details & commentary.


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16-50 redo

[Larry Colen]

It looks like Ricoh is coming out with a new version of the 16-50:

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/star_lens/special/sp_da16-50/interview/

My first thought is that they really ought to have made it a 15-50 or some 
other adjustment to the range just so it isn’t confused for the original.

I also note that this bodes well for K-3 iii owners, but maybe not so well for 
the K-1 crowd.  

In any case, it will be interesting to see how it actually performs once it is 
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