Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-07 Thread Thibouille
It surprises me but I suppose the pics posted at DPR are always the worst ones.
Actually I'm somewhat interested in that tammy so I will keep an eye on it.
Thank you for your report John.

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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-07 Thread John Whittingham
Hi Thibouille

You're welcome, if you need any sample images (jpg straight from camera) 
just let me know, I've already sent some to Toine comparing F 70-210, FA 80-
320 and the Tammy.

Best regards,

John

On Wed, 7 May 2008 10:14:11 +0200, Thibouille wrote
 It surprises me but I suppose the pics posted at DPR are always the 
 worst ones. Actually I'm somewhat interested in that tammy so I will 
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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-07 Thread Thibouille
Yes I am interested in a couple pics, lets say at 70, 135, 200 and 300
(or about of course) to have an idea of sharpness.

How is SR effective with it (if your camera provides SR)?
Do you own a 50-200 for comparison purpose (I suspect not) ?

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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-07 Thread John Whittingham
Hi Thibouille

I'll forward the ones I sent to Toine (I'm at work at present) mainly 
200/210mm  300/320mm. I had the DA 50-200 and initialy was quite impressed 
until I noticed how soft it was at the edge of the frame at both ends of the 
range, so I sold it.

Regards, 

John

On Wed, 7 May 2008 10:55:04 +0200, Thibouille wrote
 Yes I am interested in a couple pics, lets say at 70, 135, 200 and 300
 (or about of course) to have an idea of sharpness.
 
 How is SR effective with it (if your camera provides SR)?
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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-07 Thread Thibouille
Thank you John !

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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-06 Thread Thibouille
There was a test on DPR I will try to find back comparing DA*300,
DA55-300 and Tamron 70-300.

DA* is superb of course but the 55-300 holds its own pretty well even
at 300mm. The Tammy shows sooo much CA it is completely destroyed by
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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-06 Thread John Whittingham
Hi Thibouille

The Tamron I have shows very little CA even in high contrast situations 
(samples if you want them), likewise my friends sample. 

The shot of the Cormorant:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7228514size=lg

.is a 100% crop from the centre frame @ f/8 300mm, apparently it 
gets better at f/11. I can confirm that it's better than my FA 80-320, F 70-
210 and the DA 50-200 I had. I haven't tried the DA 55-300 so can't comment, 
as for the DA* 300 f/4, well RRP c.£1000 in the UK against £120.

Toine was quite impressed with some sample images I sent him, personally 
I've never seen a budget consumer zoom perform this well, it's performing 
completely out of it's league. It gets better, I bought mine secondhand for 
£65 on the strength of the performance of my friends sample, bought new. If 
I have a good sample he has the identical twin!

I'm just expressing my opinion on what I see.

Regards,

John 


On Tue, 6 May 2008 08:37:52 +0200, Thibouille wrote
 There was a test on DPR I will try to find back comparing DA*300,
 DA55-300 and Tamron 70-300.
 
 DA* is superb of course but the 55-300 holds its own pretty well even
 at 300mm. The Tammy shows sooo much CA it is completely destroyed by
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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-06 Thread P. J. Alling
I wouldn't expect much CA at the center of the frame anyway, it usually 
shows up at the edges and corners.  I've never noticed any on the F 
70-210, and I've owned two of them.  On the other hand I don't go pixel 
peeping unless there's obvious degradation of a printed image to try to 
fix the problem.

John Whittingham wrote:
 Hi Thibouille

 The Tamron I have shows very little CA even in high contrast situations 
 (samples if you want them), likewise my friends sample. 

 The shot of the Cormorant:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7228514size=lg

 .is a 100% crop from the centre frame @ f/8 300mm, apparently it 
 gets better at f/11. I can confirm that it's better than my FA 80-320, F 70-
 210 and the DA 50-200 I had. I haven't tried the DA 55-300 so can't comment, 
 as for the DA* 300 f/4, well RRP c.£1000 in the UK against £120.

 Toine was quite impressed with some sample images I sent him, personally 
 I've never seen a budget consumer zoom perform this well, it's performing 
 completely out of it's league. It gets better, I bought mine secondhand for 
 £65 on the strength of the performance of my friends sample, bought new. If 
 I have a good sample he has the identical twin!

 I'm just expressing my opinion on what I see.

 Regards,

 John 


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 There was a test on DPR I will try to find back comparing DA*300,
 DA55-300 and Tamron 70-300.

 DA* is superb of course but the 55-300 holds its own pretty well even
 at 300mm. The Tammy shows sooo much CA it is completely destroyed by
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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-06 Thread John Whittingham
On Tue, 06 May 2008 08:19:18 -0400, P. J. Alling wrote
 I wouldn't expect much CA at the center of the frame anyway, it 
 usually shows up at the edges and corners.  

There's very little at the edges and corners, perhaps 1 pixel in the extreme 
cases.

Regards,

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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-06 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Tue, 06 May 2008 08:37:52 +0200 schreef Thibouille  
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 There was a test on DPR I will try to find back comparing DA*300,
 DA55-300 and Tamron 70-300.

 DA* is superb of course but the 55-300 holds its own pretty well even
 at 300mm. The Tammy shows sooo much CA it is completely destroyed by
 the DA55-300.

To my surprise the DA55-300 is twice the price of the DA50-200, at lest in  
the Netherlands. I assumed the 55-300 would be the replacement for the  
50-200...

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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-05 Thread Walter Hamler
I just ordered the Pentax 55~300 DA that is out in some areas. I
ordered from Calumet and expect shipment within a few weeks hopefully.
Some pretty favorable results have been posted here and there. It is a
prosumer variety, probably not up to the DA* 300 and 200, but should
suit my needs for the immediate future.

Walt

On 5/3/08, Carlos Royo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ralf R. Radermacher escribió:
  Hello all,
 
  I'm looking for an AF version of my SMC-M 4.5/80-200 mm. Yes, I know
  there's no direct AF equivalent of this lens. I'd want something with
  the same image quality (I'm actually very fond of this lens). A few mm
  more at the far end wouldn't hurt either.
 
  What about the ubiquitous F and FA xx-200 or xx-300 mm lenses? Any other
  suggestions? 3rd party lenses?
 


 I have had several Pentax telezooms. The F 70-210 mm. 4-5.6 that some
 other people recommended is a sharp lens and an excellent choice. I also
 had the FA 80-320 mm. 4.5-5.6. It isn't as good as the F 70-210, but it
 is a really good performer too.

 Now I have the FA* 80-200 mm. 2.8 and the F 80-200 mm. 4.7-5.6. If you
 don't want to spend a lot of money, the F or FA 80-200 4.7-5.6 is
 surprisingly good for a modest consumer zoom lens. It is very light and
 small, doesn't change its length when zooming (it is an internal zoom
 lens) and its minimum focus distance is 1.1 metres, and is optically
 quite good, not as good the F 70-210 but on par with the FA 80-320. I
 recommend the F version because it has a metal lens mount, not plastic
 as the FA.

 Carlos

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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-03 Thread Carlos Royo
Ralf R. Radermacher escribió:
 Hello all,
 
 I'm looking for an AF version of my SMC-M 4.5/80-200 mm. Yes, I know
 there's no direct AF equivalent of this lens. I'd want something with
 the same image quality (I'm actually very fond of this lens). A few mm
 more at the far end wouldn't hurt either. 
 
 What about the ubiquitous F and FA xx-200 or xx-300 mm lenses? Any other
 suggestions? 3rd party lenses?
 


I have had several Pentax telezooms. The F 70-210 mm. 4-5.6 that some 
other people recommended is a sharp lens and an excellent choice. I also 
had the FA 80-320 mm. 4.5-5.6. It isn't as good as the F 70-210, but it 
is a really good performer too.

Now I have the FA* 80-200 mm. 2.8 and the F 80-200 mm. 4.7-5.6. If you 
don't want to spend a lot of money, the F or FA 80-200 4.7-5.6 is 
surprisingly good for a modest consumer zoom lens. It is very light and 
small, doesn't change its length when zooming (it is an internal zoom 
lens) and its minimum focus distance is 1.1 metres, and is optically 
quite good, not as good the F 70-210 but on par with the FA 80-320. I 
recommend the F version because it has a metal lens mount, not plastic 
as the FA.

Carlos

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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-03 Thread Boris Liberman
I'd second what Carlos wrote below. I've had both 80-320 and 
80-200/4.7-5.6 lenses. I found the adequate but both having PF issues 
with my digital cameras. The F 70-210 seems to be better than both in 
this department. In fact, I think that F 70-210 is the best lens among 
its peers unless you want constant aperture and fast speed.

Boris

Carlos Royo wrote:
 I have had several Pentax telezooms. The F 70-210 mm. 4-5.6 that some 
 other people recommended is a sharp lens and an excellent choice. I also 
 had the FA 80-320 mm. 4.5-5.6. It isn't as good as the F 70-210, but it 
 is a really good performer too.
 
 Now I have the FA* 80-200 mm. 2.8 and the F 80-200 mm. 4.7-5.6. If you 
 don't want to spend a lot of money, the F or FA 80-200 4.7-5.6 is 
 surprisingly good for a modest consumer zoom lens. It is very light and 
 small, doesn't change its length when zooming (it is an internal zoom 
 lens) and its minimum focus distance is 1.1 metres, and is optically 
 quite good, not as good the F 70-210 but on par with the FA 80-320. I 
 recommend the F version because it has a metal lens mount, not plastic 
 as the FA.
 
 Carlos
 


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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-02 Thread P. J. Alling
The smc Pentax F 70-210mm is one of the best in this class.  It's 
variable aperture but only about 2/3 stop slower at the long end but 
it's 1/3 stop faster at the short end. compared to the M 80-200 f4.6.  
They can be hard to find but are well worth it IMO.  I bought one a few 
years ago, used, for about $60 US.  Reciently their good qualities have 
become increesingly well known so prices have increesed.  I've seen them 
sell on e-bay for upwards of $300.00.  If when one shows up at KEH they 
usually command about $130-160 US in EX condition.  Be sure you're 
looking at the smc F version, there's a non SMC Pentax/Takumar version 
that looks superficially like the SMC lens and of course the F and FA 
that are 70-200mm versions.  None have the reputation of the smc F lens. 

Samples

http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_withfurtheregret.html

http://home.earthlink.net/~morephotos/PESO_--_watchdog.html

http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20charming.html




Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
 Hello all,

 I'm looking for an AF version of my SMC-M 4.5/80-200 mm. Yes, I know
 there's no direct AF equivalent of this lens. I'd want something with
 the same image quality (I'm actually very fond of this lens). A few mm
 more at the far end wouldn't hurt either. 

 What about the ubiquitous F and FA xx-200 or xx-300 mm lenses? Any other
 suggestions? 3rd party lenses?

 Ralf

   


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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-02 Thread Brian Walters
Yes, I'm using the FA 80-320 as well and have been impressed with it's
performance.  I seem to recall a few other list members singing its
praises from time to time.


Cheers

Brian

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On Thu, 01 May 2008 18:11:23 -0600, Bran Everseeking
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  What about the ubiquitous F and FA xx-200 or xx-300 mm lenses? Any
  other suggestions? 3rd party lenses?
 
 The FA 80-320 treats me well excepting the rotating front element.  I
 understand this lens has a variation in quality as well. 
 
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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-02 Thread John Whittingham
I've been using the F 70-210 f/4-5.6 and FA 80-320 f/4.5-5.6 for some time 
with good results, I'd say the F 70-210 was marginally sharper at 200mm but 
lacks the reach of the FA 80-320, of course. I've tried numerous versions of 
the Sigma 70-300 DL and APO and was never really convinced by the 
performance beyond 200mm.

Recently a work colleague of mine asked me to recommend a good reasonably 
priced zoom lens in the xx-300mm range after he bought a K10D on the 
strength of some of the images I had produced. I recommended the Tamron 70-
300 f/4-5.6 LD Di after hearing many favourable comments on the performance. 

After seeing some of the results he got I bought one myself, excellent 
performance, great price, very reasonable build quality. Image quality was 
better than F 70-210  FA 80-320 at 200mm  300mm.

All the above lenses have rotating front elements making the use of a 
polariser a little fiddly, the only other negative is the Tamron has a 62mm 
filter size (not a common Pentax size). On a positive note the closest 
focusing distance is good, max. repro 1:2.

I tried the DA 50-200, first impressions were good, but I grew tired with 
softness at the edge of the images, both at the short and long end. Maybe I 
got a bad sample.

I can send some sample images shot with the Tamron if requested of-list.

Regards,

John


On Thu, 1 May 2008 23:42:36 +0200, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote
 Hello all,
 
 I'm looking for an AF version of my SMC-M 4.5/80-200 mm. Yes, I know
 there's no direct AF equivalent of this lens. I'd want something with
 the same image quality (I'm actually very fond of this lens). A few 
 mm more at the far end wouldn't hurt either.
 
 What about the ubiquitous F and FA xx-200 or xx-300 mm lenses? Any other
 suggestions? 3rd party lenses?
 
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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-02 Thread Christine Aguila

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 http://home.earthlink.net/~morephotos/PESO_--_watchdog.html

Hey, Peter.  The above is one nice shot.  Really enjoyed seeing that. 
Cheers, Christine 



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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-02 Thread John Francis

I traded my M 80-200 for an FA 80-320 (literally, albeit indirectly).
I've never regretted it.  Mind you, if I want an 80-200 I've still
got one in my kit.

On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 06:50:50PM +1000, Brian Walters wrote:
 Yes, I'm using the FA 80-320 as well and have been impressed with it's
 performance.  I seem to recall a few other list members singing its
 praises from time to time.
 
 
 Cheers
 
 Brian
 
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 http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
 
 
 
 
 On Thu, 01 May 2008 18:11:23 -0600, Bran Everseeking
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
  On Thu, 01 May 2008 23:42:36 +0200
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ralf R. Radermacher) wrote:
  
   What about the ubiquitous F and FA xx-200 or xx-300 mm lenses? Any
   other suggestions? 3rd party lenses?
  
  The FA 80-320 treats me well excepting the rotating front element.  I
  understand this lens has a variation in quality as well. 
  
  Bran
  
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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
I too have found the FA 80-320 to be a lot of lens for the money.  
It's my walkaround lens for the zoo:-). Really.
Paul
On May 2, 2008, at 12:17 PM, John Francis wrote:

 I traded my M 80-200 for an FA 80-320 (literally, albeit indirectly).
 I've never regretted it.  Mind you, if I want an 80-200 I've still
 got one in my kit.

 On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 06:50:50PM +1000, Brian Walters wrote:
 Yes, I'm using the FA 80-320 as well and have been impressed with  
 it's
 performance.  I seem to recall a few other list members singing its
 praises from time to time.


 Cheers

 Brian

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 On Thu, 01 May 2008 23:42:36 +0200
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 What about the ubiquitous F and FA xx-200 or xx-300 mm lenses? Any
 other suggestions? 3rd party lenses?

 The FA 80-320 treats me well excepting the rotating front  
 element.  I
 understand this lens has a variation in quality as well.

 Bran

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AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-01 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Hello all,

I'm looking for an AF version of my SMC-M 4.5/80-200 mm. Yes, I know
there's no direct AF equivalent of this lens. I'd want something with
the same image quality (I'm actually very fond of this lens). A few mm
more at the far end wouldn't hurt either. 

What about the ubiquitous F and FA xx-200 or xx-300 mm lenses? Any other
suggestions? 3rd party lenses?

Ralf

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Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses

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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-01 Thread pnstenquist
The DA* 60-250 is coming. Should be a nice piece.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ralf R. Radermacher)
 Hello all,
 
 I'm looking for an AF version of my SMC-M 4.5/80-200 mm. Yes, I know
 there's no direct AF equivalent of this lens. I'd want something with
 the same image quality (I'm actually very fond of this lens). A few mm
 more at the far end wouldn't hurt either. 
 
 What about the ubiquitous F and FA xx-200 or xx-300 mm lenses? Any other
 suggestions? 3rd party lenses?
 
 Ralf
 
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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-01 Thread Ken Waller
How about the 70-210, 4-5.6 SMC Pentax F ?
The biggest negative I come up with is the rotating end which makes using a 
polarizing filter a bit of a challenge but I good lens IMO

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: AF-Telezoom for K20D?


Hello all,

I'm looking for an AF version of my SMC-M 4.5/80-200 mm. Yes, I know
there's no direct AF equivalent of this lens. I'd want something with
the same image quality (I'm actually very fond of this lens). A few mm
more at the far end wouldn't hurt either.

What about the ubiquitous F and FA xx-200 or xx-300 mm lenses? Any other
suggestions? 3rd party lenses?

Ralf



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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-01 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Thu, 01 May 2008 23:42:36 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ralf R. Radermacher) wrote:

 What about the ubiquitous F and FA xx-200 or xx-300 mm lenses? Any
 other suggestions? 3rd party lenses?

The FA 80-320 treats me well excepting the rotating front element.  I
understand this lens has a variation in quality as well. 

Bran

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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

2008-05-01 Thread Tim Øsleby
The new DA 55-300/4-5,8 should be a good lens. The samples at DPReview
looks promising so far . So I would have checked it out, if I where
you.

MaritimTim

2008/5/1 Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hello all,

 I'm looking for an AF version of my SMC-M 4.5/80-200 mm. Yes, I know
 there's no direct AF equivalent of this lens. I'd want something with
 the same image quality (I'm actually very fond of this lens). A few mm
 more at the far end wouldn't hurt either.

 What about the ubiquitous F and FA xx-200 or xx-300 mm lenses? Any other
 suggestions? 3rd party lenses?

 Ralf

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