Re: Another interesting write up about 645D
On 10-11-16 7:07 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Indeed...and the K-5 is growing a very good reputation in the 'industry'...(lesnumeriques just tested the 60D and they say that it is a good camera but not at the level of K-5/D7000) The looser here semms the K-r...well...maybe the success of the K-x was based on the fact that it surpassed the K-7 in some respects, and this is not the case of the K-r vs. K-5. Regards, Jaume It can only be a good thing that the K-5 trounces the K-r in *all* respects. There was clear confusion in the market (as evidenced by the PDML sub-market) that the K-x beat the K-7 in a few ways and that hurt the K-7's reputation and Pentax sales. The K-5 seems to be entirely made of win. The K-r should benefit from the new Pentax halo effect. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another interesting write up about 645D
On 17 November 2010 02:16, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: However, the last time I checked, my name wasn't Ned, and nobody at Pentax has asked me how to sell their gear. Larry, I don't think Ned has too much say in what lenses get made and which don't. You should try being Ko Torigoe instead :-) I do agree on your sales strategy...except I would discount the K-5 more than $100. If they could manage to slash the price $115 over last weekend, surely they can come down by $200 after Thanksgiving. —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Another interesting write up about 645D
Hi! Please have a look: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/2010_mini_medium_format_shoot_out.shtml Looks like Pentax has really scored a real winner with 645D. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another interesting write up about 645D
Indeed...and the K-5 is growing a very good reputation in the 'industry'...(lesnumeriques just tested the 60D and they say that it is a good camera but not at the level of K-5/D7000) The looser here semms the K-r...well...maybe the success of the K-x was based on the fact that it surpassed the K-7 in some respects, and this is not the case of the K-r vs. K-5. Regards, Jaume - Mensaje original De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: mar,16 noviembre, 2010 12:53 Asunto: Another interesting write up about 645D Hi! Please have a look: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/2010_mini_medium_format_shoot_out.shtml l Looks like Pentax has really scored a real winner with 645D. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another interesting write up about 645D
On 11/16/2010 2:07 PM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Indeed...and the K-5 is growing a very good reputation in the 'industry'...(lesnumeriques just tested the 60D and they say that it is a good camera but not at the level of K-5/D7000) The looser here semms the K-r...well...maybe the success of the K-x was based on the fact that it surpassed the K-7 in some respects, and this is not the case of the K-r vs. K-5. Regards, Jaume Indeed. But the price difference between K-r and K-5 has to be factored in. I hope that K-r will prove to be successful in entry level /price/ category. But indeed, Pentax is doing quite good. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another interesting write up about 645D
On 11/16/2010 9:52 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: On 10-11-16 7:07 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Indeed...and the K-5 is growing a very good reputation in the 'industry'...(lesnumeriques just tested the 60D and they say that it is a good camera but not at the level of K-5/D7000) The looser here semms the K-r...well...maybe the success of the K-x was based on the fact that it surpassed the K-7 in some respects, and this is not the case of the K-r vs. K-5. Regards, Jaume It can only be a good thing that the K-5 trounces the K-r in *all* respects. There was clear confusion in the market (as evidenced by the PDML sub-market) that the K-x beat the K-7 in a few ways and that hurt the K-7's reputation and Pentax sales. The K-5 seems to be entirely made of win. The K-r should benefit from the new Pentax halo effect. -bmw Where do you buy win anyway. I need a new supply. -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another interesting write up about 645D
On 10-11-16 10:02 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: On 11/16/2010 9:52 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: On 10-11-16 7:07 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Indeed...and the K-5 is growing a very good reputation in the 'industry'...(lesnumeriques just tested the 60D and they say that it is a good camera but not at the level of K-5/D7000) The looser here semms the K-r...well...maybe the success of the K-x was based on the fact that it surpassed the K-7 in some respects, and this is not the case of the K-r vs. K-5. Regards, Jaume It can only be a good thing that the K-5 trounces the K-r in *all* respects. There was clear confusion in the market (as evidenced by the PDML sub-market) that the K-x beat the K-7 in a few ways and that hurt the K-7's reputation and Pentax sales. The K-5 seems to be entirely made of win. The K-r should benefit from the new Pentax halo effect. -bmw Where do you buy win anyway. I need a new supply. That's too easy: buy a K-5! Plus, if you affix it to a ring and wear it head-mounted, you'll benefit from the halo effect too. :-) -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another interesting write up about 645D
2010/11/16 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Where do you buy win anyway. I need a new supply. I hear WinMart has some left over from a win-win situation they were in some time ago... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another interesting write up about 645D
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 10-11-16 7:07 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Indeed...and the K-5 is growing a very good reputation in the 'industry'...(lesnumeriques just tested the 60D and they say that it is a good camera but not at the level of K-5/D7000) The looser here semms the K-r...well...maybe the success of the K-x was based on the fact that it surpassed the K-7 in some respects, and this is not the case of the K-r vs. K-5. Regards, Jaume It can only be a good thing that the K-5 trounces the K-r in *all* respects. There was clear confusion in the market (as evidenced by the PDML sub-market) that the K-x beat the K-7 in a few ways and that hurt the K-7's reputation and Pentax sales. The K-5 seems to be entirely made of win. The K-r should benefit from the new Pentax halo effect. -bmw I think the K-r's biggest problem is that it's too much a K-x with tweaks and the K-x is just so cheap now that the price difference is a bit hard to justify for many. Still looks like a great little camera but it's lost between the much higher-end K-5 and the much cheaper K-x. --Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another interesting write up about 645D
With any luck, it'll cause a precipitous price drop for the K-r and bring it further down into the entry-level range, and I'll be able to have illuminated focus points, improved low-light focusing, and higher frame rate for a fairly good price as I begin to approach 50,000 clicks on my K-x. That is, assuming I haven't managed to save up for a K-5 by then -- which, at this point, strikes me as a fairly dubious proposition. -- Walt http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/waltergilbert http://waltgilbert.posterous.com/ On 11/16/2010 7:08 PM, Adam Maas wrote: On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Bruce Walkerbruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 10-11-16 7:07 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Indeed...and the K-5 is growing a very good reputation in the 'industry'...(lesnumeriques just tested the 60D and they say that it is a good camera but not at the level of K-5/D7000) The looser here semms the K-r...well...maybe the success of the K-x was based on the fact that it surpassed the K-7 in some respects, and this is not the case of the K-r vs. K-5. Regards, Jaume It can only be a good thing that the K-5 trounces the K-r in *all* respects. There was clear confusion in the market (as evidenced by the PDML sub-market) that the K-x beat the K-7 in a few ways and that hurt the K-7's reputation and Pentax sales. The K-5 seems to be entirely made of win. The K-r should benefit from the new Pentax halo effect. -bmw I think the K-r's biggest problem is that it's too much a K-x with tweaks and the K-x is just so cheap now that the price difference is a bit hard to justify for many. Still looks like a great little camera but it's lost between the much higher-end K-5 and the much cheaper K-x. --Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another interesting write up about 645D
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Bruce Walkerbruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 10-11-16 7:07 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Indeed...and the K-5 is growing a very good reputation in the 'industry'...(lesnumeriques just tested the 60D and they say that it is a good camera but not at the level of K-5/D7000) The looser here semms the K-r...well...maybe the success of the K-x was based on the fact that it surpassed the K-7 in some respects, and this is not the case of the K-r vs. K-5. Regards, Jaume It can only be a good thing that the K-5 trounces the K-r in *all* respects. There was clear confusion in the market (as evidenced by the PDML sub-market) that the K-x beat the K-7 in a few ways and that hurt the K-7's reputation and Pentax sales. The K-5 seems to be entirely made of win. The K-r should benefit from the new Pentax halo effect. -bmw I think the K-r's biggest problem is that it's too much a K-x with tweaks and the K-x is just so cheap now that the price difference is a bit hard to justify for many. Still looks like a great little camera but it's lost between the much higher-end K-5 and the much cheaper K-x. --Adam I bet that the announced plan to keep the K-x will evaporate soon enough, the K-x will be EOL'ed and the K-r will price-drop to become the new entry-level product. I recall that roughly the same thing happened to the K20D when the K-7 was announced. I remember reading that the K-7 is a different beast entirely from the K20D and there's room for both or words to that effect. Hah! K20D was EOL'ed in 6 months or less. It's all Marketing blather designed to avoid the Osborne effect. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another interesting write up about 645D
On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Adam Maas wrote: On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 10-11-16 7:07 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: I think the K-r's biggest problem is that it's too much a K-x with tweaks and the K-x is just so cheap now that the price difference is a bit hard to justify for many. Still looks like a great little camera but it's lost between the much higher-end K-5 and the much cheaper K-x. The K-r looks to be the camera that the K-x should have been. That being said, the K-x is still an amazing camera, especially for the money. If I was in charge of pricing, I'd keep the price of both where they are, for another two weeks. On thanksgiving weekend, I'd set prices so that the Amazon (i.e. cheapest reputable dealer) price of the K-x was $450 and the K-r was $650, and blow away the performance of everything else in the price range. The K-x should be sold as a no-frills, all performance camera. The least expensive real camera on the market. In other words, the 2010 incarnation of the K1000. The K-r should be positioned as the K-x with the most often wanted amenities (in a car the K-r would be the low end model, sold with air conditioning, stereo, and 5-speed transmission). I'd also be ready to drop the price of the K-5 by about $100 as soon as dealers aren't selling out before their next shipment. As long as Pentax can sell K-xen and not lose money on them, they are an amazing camera to bring new photographers into the family. Pentax should also have a couple of cheap fast primes, to get the people new to DSLRs a taste for buying glass. Maybe the new 35/2.4 is an amazingly sharp lens, I don't know, and maybe the added speed isn't as critical with modern sensors. I'm shooting things at f/2.8 that used to boggle me at 1.4. Even so, they need a lens to give people a taste of LBA. For that matter, I think they should make a low cost version of the DA40 and bundle that with the K-x/K-r as a pocket DSLR. However, the last time I checked, my name wasn't Ned, and nobody at Pentax has asked me how to sell their gear. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
