Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-28 Thread David Mann

On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:20 AM, PN Stenquist wrote:

If you decide to try it, replace all of the ink cartridges before  
turning it on. That will give you a fighting chance:-).


I was thinking about taking all of them out and giving them a good  
shake to stir up any pigment that might have settled.  But you're  
probably right that I should just replace them outright.


- Dave


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Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-28 Thread David Mann

On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:21 PM, David Mann wrote:


On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:20 AM, PN Stenquist wrote:

If you decide to try it, replace all of the ink cartridges before  
turning it on. That will give you a fighting chance:-).


I was thinking about taking all of them out and giving them a good  
shake to stir up any pigment that might have settled.  But you're  
probably right that I should just replace them outright.


Just a followup, I decided to hold my breath and have a go at it  
today.  I shook up the cartridges one by one as described above, then  
ran three consecutive head-cleaning cycles (I remember reading  
somewhere, possibly here, that the 2nd and 3rd cycles each run a  
little more aggressively provided you don't do anything else between  
the cleaning cycles).


After that It needed 3 cycles of nozzle check and head clean to return  
a good test pattern.  I'm currently running the alignment procedure  
but I think one of the heads may have clogged again - I'll probably  
have occasional issues like that for a little while.


But you can definitely colour me surprised.  I thought I'd be fighting  
an expensive uphill battle just to get a decent test pattern.


Cheers,

- Dave

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Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-27 Thread David Mann

On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:00 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I've had the R2400 since October 2005. I've occasionally gone a  
couple of months between printing sessions. It has never clogged yet.


I found with my 2100 (2200 supplied with different accessories) that I  
had to do at least one 8x10 print per week.  I think one print every  
two weeks was getting a bit risky.


My printer has been sitting idle for about 2 years now so I am  
following this thread with great interest :(  I've been thinking  
lately of trying it but I just know how frustrating it's going to be.


- Dave


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Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-27 Thread P. J. Alling
I use an HP, if it gets that bad I replace the cartages and get new 
print heads...


John Celio wrote:
No, I'm not looking for advice on how to clean my printer while 
skydiving. I'm wondering what some of you folks do when you've cleaned 
and cleaned and cleaned your printer's heads but still keep coming up 
with clogged nozzles.


Last night I set up my old Epson 2200 for the first time in a couple 
years. Naturally, the heads were all clogged from disuse.  Recalling 
my old Epson rep's advice, I sprayed some Formula 409 on Q-tips and 
moved the head back and forth over the swabs.  I did this many times 
(at least two dozen, if not more).  I also ran Epson's head cleaning 
maintenance app (in their normal printing drivers) quite a few times.


The magenta and yellow heads are still partly clogged, and I just 
can't get them to clear up.  The rep said not to use alcohol to clean 
the heads, so instead I put a couple bottles of alcohol in me (in this 
case, Pyramid Apricot Hefeweisen) and called it a night.


Anyone have any other cleaning ideas?

Also, is there any way to easily remove and clean the waste ink pad, 
where the automated head cleaning takes place?


Thanks,
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Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-27 Thread PN Stenquist
If you decide to try it, replace all of the ink cartridges before  
turning it on. That will give you a fighting chance:-).

Paul
On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:22 AM, David Mann wrote:


On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:00 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I've had the R2400 since October 2005. I've occasionally gone a  
couple of months between printing sessions. It has never clogged yet.


I found with my 2100 (2200 supplied with different accessories) that  
I had to do at least one 8x10 print per week.  I think one print  
every two weeks was getting a bit risky.


My printer has been sitting idle for about 2 years now so I am  
following this thread with great interest :(  I've been thinking  
lately of trying it but I just know how frustrating it's going to be.


- Dave


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Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-26 Thread John Celio

Anyone have any other cleaning ideas?


First off, the warnings...

Things not to do.

Do not use Window cleaners, Alcohol, Bleach, Peroxide, Lighter fluid,
degreasers, engine cleaners, mineral spirits or lacquer thinner.

Also do not use force or compressed air as these these can cause
serious damage to the print head.


Looks like Formula 409 is Alkyl dimethyl benzyl ammonium chloride, which 
doesn't appear to conflict with your list (from the little I remember from 
high school chemistry, anyway).  No wonder the Epson rep recommended it. :)


I am seriously curious what is in those cleaning solutions you linked to.

You say not to use force, but those syringe methods force cleaning fluid 
through the nozzles.  Is this not the sort of force you mean?


Thanks,
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Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-26 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Cory,

I've had somewhat similar experiences.  The higher end Epsons seem to
be much better about head clogs (not happening), but I have thrown
away 3 low end Epsons with exactly your experience.  I have an HP
sitting here for the last couple of years with nary a hiccup.

My general recommendation to people is if they print very sparingly,
to get an HP.  If they print quite a bit, then perhaps go the Epson
route.  Mind you, these are not photo printing people as a rule, just
the regular shmoe who prints on plain paper.

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Saturday, October 25, 2008, 5:32:49 PM, you wrote:

CW John,
CW I believe I've cured my print head clogging problem altogether. 
CW I got rid of my Epson stylus color photo printiamagigger 925 and bought
CW an HP printer.  I was spending at least 2/3 of my ink unclogging and 
CW charging the print heads on my Epson.  I don't print much so just about
CW every time I wanted to use the Epson it needed cleaning from having the
CW ink dry on the heads.  This was a total PITA (Imaging you pop home to 
CW get the interweb to print you a map to where you need to be in about 
CW fifteen minutes less that it'll take to drive there only to find that 
CW the printer doesn't want toprint).  The HP prints just as well, if
CW not better, and so far it prints when I want it to...
CW Cory



CW John Celio wrote:
 No, I'm not looking for advice on how to clean my printer while 
 skydiving. I'm wondering what some of you folks do when you've cleaned 
 and cleaned and cleaned your printer's heads but still keep coming up 
 with clogged nozzles.

 Last night I set up my old Epson 2200 for the first time in a couple 
 years. Naturally, the heads were all clogged from disuse.  Recalling 
 my old Epson rep's advice, I sprayed some Formula 409 on Q-tips and 
 moved the head back and forth over the swabs.  I did this many times 
 (at least two dozen, if not more).  I also ran Epson's head cleaning 
 maintenance app (in their normal printing drivers) quite a few times.

 The magenta and yellow heads are still partly clogged, and I just 
 can't get them to clear up.  The rep said not to use alcohol to clean 
 the heads, so instead I put a couple bottles of alcohol in me (in this 
 case, Pyramid Apricot Hefeweisen) and called it a night.

 Anyone have any other cleaning ideas?

 Also, is there any way to easily remove and clean the waste ink pad, 
 where the automated head cleaning takes place?

 Thanks,
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Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-26 Thread Joseph McAllister
I think what 'they' mean is: Don't force the plunger in the syringe  
any harder that it takes to fill the nozzle tube, then let it sit 3+  
hours (overnight is best) If it's really dried up in there, you may  
have to repeat the process. But don't try to force the dried ink  
through the nozzles with syringe pressure. Wait until it liquifies and  
gentle pressure will them force the goo through the heads onto the  
paper towel you slide under them - you did remember to put that under  
their, didn't you?  :-0


Joseph McAllister
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On Oct 25, 2008, at 23:01 , John Celio wrote:

You say not to use force, but those syringe methods force cleaning  
fluid through the nozzles.  Is this not the sort of force you mean?



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Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-26 Thread Carlos Royo



John Celio escribió:
No, I'm not looking for advice on how to clean my printer while 
skydiving. I'm wondering what some of you folks do when you've cleaned 
and cleaned and cleaned your printer's heads but still keep coming up 
with clogged nozzles.




I have been lucky using SSC Service Utility to clean stubbornly dirty
heads in Epson printers. It is free software, so you could give it a try
before taking more extreme measures.
Link:

http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtml

Good luck,

Carlos



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Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-26 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:00 PM, PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 But for a photographer, the high end Epson printers are still unmatched in
 terms of image quality. My R2400 has never clogged in over two years of use.
 Sometimes I go a week without printing. No clogs. No problems.
 Paul

I'll go maybe 2 weeks or more and have not had clogged heads with the
2400. I'm inpressed with it thats way.

Dave
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Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Oct 26, 2008, at 3:46 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:00 PM, PN Stenquist  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But for a photographer, the high end Epson printers are still  
unmatched in
terms of image quality. My R2400 has never clogged in over two  
years of use.

Sometimes I go a week without printing. No clogs. No problems.
Paul


I'll go maybe 2 weeks or more and have not had clogged heads with the
2400. I'm inpressed with it thats way.


I've had the R2400 since October 2005. I've occasionally gone a couple  
of months between printing sessions. It has never clogged yet.


My 1160 died due to clogs, and the 1270 has to be cleared regularly.

Godfrey

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Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-25 Thread John Celio
No, I'm not looking for advice on how to clean my printer while skydiving. 
I'm wondering what some of you folks do when you've cleaned and cleaned and 
cleaned your printer's heads but still keep coming up with clogged nozzles.


Last night I set up my old Epson 2200 for the first time in a couple years. 
Naturally, the heads were all clogged from disuse.  Recalling my old Epson 
rep's advice, I sprayed some Formula 409 on Q-tips and moved the head back 
and forth over the swabs.  I did this many times (at least two dozen, if not 
more).  I also ran Epson's head cleaning maintenance app (in their normal 
printing drivers) quite a few times.


The magenta and yellow heads are still partly clogged, and I just can't get 
them to clear up.  The rep said not to use alcohol to clean the heads, so 
instead I put a couple bottles of alcohol in me (in this case, Pyramid 
Apricot Hefeweisen) and called it a night.


Anyone have any other cleaning ideas?

Also, is there any way to easily remove and clean the waste ink pad, where 
the automated head cleaning takes place?


Thanks,
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RE: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-25 Thread Bob W
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 Subject: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?
 
 No, I'm not looking for advice on how to clean my printer while skydiving.

This is where I stop reading then.

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Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-25 Thread Joseph McAllister
Being one who like to take things apart to see how they tick, I  
nowadays look around for help in doing so, and have found that the  
online sources for service manuals, some free, some for a few dollars,  
are invaluable. Here are a few places that have the 2200 or (in  
europe) 2100 service manuals and or supplies for cleaning the heads.


http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/search/forums?q=Epson+2200

http://www.nodevice.com/manual/newmans/epson/EPSON_STYLUS_PHOTO_2100_SERVICE_MANUAL_REV_A__CDC-700_pdf/get48729.html

http://www.asm-service-manual.com/List/Epson%20Printers%20ASM.htm

http://www.servicemanuals.net/ServiceManual/EPSON+STYLUS/AllModels/pos1/results.aspx

http://www.2manuals.com/index.php?cPath=2_39

Joseph McAllister
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On Oct 25, 2008, at 10:07 , John Celio wrote:

No, I'm not looking for advice on how to clean my printer while  
skydiving. I'm wondering what some of you folks do when you've  
cleaned and cleaned and cleaned your printer's heads but still keep  
coming up with clogged nozzles.


Last night I set up my old Epson 2200 for the first time in a couple  
years. Naturally, the heads were all clogged from disuse.  Recalling  
my old Epson rep's advice, I sprayed some Formula 409 on Q-tips and  
moved the head back and forth over the swabs.  I did this many times  
(at least two dozen, if not more).  I also ran Epson's head cleaning  
maintenance app (in their normal printing drivers) quite a few times.


The magenta and yellow heads are still partly clogged, and I just  
can't get them to clear up.  The rep said not to use alcohol to  
clean the heads, so instead I put a couple bottles of alcohol in me  
(in this case, Pyramid Apricot Hefeweisen) and called it a night.


Anyone have any other cleaning ideas?

Also, is there any way to easily remove and clean the waste ink pad,  
where the automated head cleaning takes place?



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Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-25 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Oct 25, 2008, at 10:07 , John Celio wrote:


Anyone have any other cleaning ideas?


First off, the warnings...

Things not to do.

Do not use Window cleaners, Alcohol, Bleach, Peroxide, Lighter fluid,  
degreasers, engine cleaners, mineral spirits or lacquer thinner.


Also do not use force or compressed air as these these can cause  
serious damage to the print head.


http://cgi.ebay.com/Print-head-cleaner-cleaning-Epson-1280-R800-R1800-2200_W0QQitemZ380071478400QQihZ025QQcategoryZ16190QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Epson-Print-Head-Cleaner.-Cleaning-R800-1280-R1800-2200_W0QQitemZ220290174781QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20081005?IMSfp=TL081005104002r5808

The following site is a forum and lets you see how the various users  
cleaned their heads. The most useful to me was:This is just  
crazy... I purchased an Epson 2100 of a guy that was fed up with  
clogging. He sold it for $130(!) He had had it in for service, but was  
told that the printer head had to be replaced. Well, I took the chance  
and bought the printer and at the same time, I ordered the cleaning  
kit from you guys (I found your site after doing some googling). A  
printing pattern indicated that two of the cartridges (well, not the  
cartridge but the cone-shaped thing underneath the cartridge) were  
completely blocked. There was a lot of yellow ink around the yellow  
cone indicating that it was blocked. The other one that was blocked  
was the light black cone. So I pushed through some solution (by  
applying the syringe on the cone - couldn't actually get it to fit on  
the cone, but I put some pressure on it and depressed the plunger  
slowly) and in no time, it came through on the paper that I had  
carefully fed through the paper feeder from the front side (i.e. clog  
dissolved!). I then ran 3 head cleaning cycles and did a nozzle check,  
and guess what?!?! the pattern was *PERFECT*. I just laughed out loud.  
I couldn't believe it. Well, I still can't. I guess I should do some  
more printing before I celebrate my best purchase ever! :)


http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/forums/inkjet/20993


Joseph McAllister
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Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-25 Thread Joseph McAllister

Found a free download of your printer's service manual...

http://www.inkjetprintpaper.com/SP2200SM.pdf

Anyone else?

Joseph McAllister
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On Oct 25, 2008, at 10:07 , John Celio wrote:


Anyone have any other cleaning ideas?



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Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-25 Thread Cory Waters

John,
I believe I've cured my print head clogging problem altogether. 
I got rid of my Epson stylus color photo printiamagigger 925 and bought 
an HP printer.  I was spending at least 2/3 of my ink unclogging and 
charging the print heads on my Epson.  I don't print much so just about 
every time I wanted to use the Epson it needed cleaning from having the 
ink dry on the heads.  This was a total PITA (Imaging you pop home to 
get the interweb to print you a map to where you need to be in about 
fifteen minutes less that it'll take to drive there only to find that 
the printer doesn't want toprint).  The HP prints just as well, if 
not better, and so far it prints when I want it to...

Cory



John Celio wrote:
No, I'm not looking for advice on how to clean my printer while 
skydiving. I'm wondering what some of you folks do when you've cleaned 
and cleaned and cleaned your printer's heads but still keep coming up 
with clogged nozzles.


Last night I set up my old Epson 2200 for the first time in a couple 
years. Naturally, the heads were all clogged from disuse.  Recalling 
my old Epson rep's advice, I sprayed some Formula 409 on Q-tips and 
moved the head back and forth over the swabs.  I did this many times 
(at least two dozen, if not more).  I also ran Epson's head cleaning 
maintenance app (in their normal printing drivers) quite a few times.


The magenta and yellow heads are still partly clogged, and I just 
can't get them to clear up.  The rep said not to use alcohol to clean 
the heads, so instead I put a couple bottles of alcohol in me (in this 
case, Pyramid Apricot Hefeweisen) and called it a night.


Anyone have any other cleaning ideas?

Also, is there any way to easily remove and clean the waste ink pad, 
where the automated head cleaning takes place?


Thanks,
John

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Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-25 Thread PN Stenquist
But for a photographer, the high end Epson printers are still  
unmatched in terms of image quality. My R2400 has never clogged in  
over two years of use. Sometimes I go a week without printing. No  
clogs. No problems.

Paul
On Oct 25, 2008, at 8:32 PM, Cory Waters wrote:


John,
I believe I've cured my print head clogging problem altogether. I  
got rid of my Epson stylus color photo printiamagigger 925 and  
bought an HP printer.  I was spending at least 2/3 of my ink  
unclogging and charging the print heads on my Epson.  I don't print  
much so just about every time I wanted to use the Epson it needed  
cleaning from having the ink dry on the heads.  This was a total  
PITA (Imaging you pop home to get the interweb to print you a map to  
where you need to be in about fifteen minutes less that it'll take  
to drive there only to find that the printer doesn't want  
toprint).  The HP prints just as well, if not better, and so far  
it prints when I want it to...

Cory



John Celio wrote:
No, I'm not looking for advice on how to clean my printer while  
skydiving. I'm wondering what some of you folks do when you've  
cleaned and cleaned and cleaned your printer's heads but still keep  
coming up with clogged nozzles.


Last night I set up my old Epson 2200 for the first time in a  
couple years. Naturally, the heads were all clogged from disuse.   
Recalling my old Epson rep's advice, I sprayed some Formula 409 on  
Q-tips and moved the head back and forth over the swabs.  I did  
this many times (at least two dozen, if not more).  I also ran  
Epson's head cleaning maintenance app (in their normal printing  
drivers) quite a few times.


The magenta and yellow heads are still partly clogged, and I just  
can't get them to clear up.  The rep said not to use alcohol to  
clean the heads, so instead I put a couple bottles of alcohol in me  
(in this case, Pyramid Apricot Hefeweisen) and called it a night.


Anyone have any other cleaning ideas?

Also, is there any way to easily remove and clean the waste ink  
pad, where the automated head cleaning takes place?


Thanks,
John

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Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-25 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Oct 25, 2008, at 17:32 , Cory Waters wrote:


John,
I believe I've cured my print head clogging problem altogether. I  
got rid of my Epson stylus color photo printiamagigger 925 and  
bought an HP printer.  I was spending at least 2/3 of my ink  
unclogging and charging the print heads on my Epson.  I don't print  
much so just about every time I wanted to use the Epson it needed  
cleaning from having the ink dry on the heads.


As far as clogged inkjet heads go, I've had my share. I find the best  
prevention is to turn the inkjet printers off as soon as you are  
finished printing. That caps the heads when they get parked. If you  
are going to put the printer away to use your newer better one, remove  
the cartridges, and use a cleaning solution to clear the heads of ink.  
When you take it out again, replace the cleaning pads, as they will  
have hardened up and no longer absorb the ink when you clean your  
heads. If it's easy to do, empty the cleaning liquid catch tray  
underneath those pads. Messy jobs both. And store it upright or that  
catch tray will pour it's contents into the guts of the printer.


This was a total PITA (Imaging you pop home to get the interweb to  
print you a map to where you need to be in about fifteen minutes  
less that it'll take to drive there only to find that the printer  
doesn't want toprint).  The HP prints just as well, if not  
better, and so far it prints when I want it to...

Cory


Which is why I have two laser printers still hooked up to my network  
at home. A letter sized Apple 12/640  I bought used for $25 (with  
toner) and a tabloid sized (Apple 8500) that I bought for $15, and I  
had to get a $100 toner cart for that. Which should last me for 10  
years at least. By the way, I bought a second Apple 8500 for parts  
should I ever need them. $10 no toner. 4 years ago. Except for my  
photography, everything looks fine black on white.




Joseph McAllister
Lots of gear, not much time


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Re: Extreme printer head cleaning tips?

2008-10-25 Thread John Celio

I believe I've cured my print head clogging problem altogether.
I got rid of my Epson stylus color photo printiamagigger 925 and bought
an HP printer.


Only reason I haven't upgraded is because I can't afford a new (or used) 
printer with the capabilities of the 2200 (13 wide x 44 long, roll feed, 
pigment inks, etc).  I know HPs don't clog as much, but their inks aren't as 
good as the high-end Epsons.  If all I needed was a document printer, I'd 
buy an HP in a heartbeat.


Actually, my regular printer is an old HP Deskjet 932C, which I used in 
college to print photos for my first photography class in 2000.  Good little 
workhorse printer.


John

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