Re: OT; Cycles and frame weight limits, was : Geso, jays in flight
I guess government mules have a strong union. On 8/15/2015 11:52 AM, John wrote: Don't know anything about cycle frames, but at Grand Canyon National Park in Arizona, they won't let you take the mule trip if you weigh over 200 lb. On 8/14/2015 11:31 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote: Bob W wrote: If it's anything like tyre pressures then it's probably good for 440lb [1]. As I understand things, to decide the maximum tyre pressure they inflate them until they burst. They then declare the maximum pressure to be half the bursting pressure. [1] Caveat: I am not a test engineer. Any attempt to exceed the stated maximum is at your own risk. Don't sue me - I haven't any money. Some time ago I was asked how to find out what weight a cycle would take by two of my friends, who were overweight. They were both tall and suspected they may have to lose weight first. As cycling is low impact exercise on joints, I thought it made sense for them to cycle as soon as possible, especially as you see improvement quickly. I lost 30Kg myself in 2010 by adding cycling for an hour or to my day for six months and cutting out snacks. Oddly enough, it was really difficult to find that information, although you could find just about anything else out! One or two manufacturers do hide the details in the fine print of the specifications, and this is my rough guide from Summer 2011. Most good quality metal frames (Reynolds 501 and above with the exception of 753) will have a top end weight of 125Kg. Many metal framed mountain bikes are about the same, but don't expect to do anything other than normal easy cycling at the top limit. I didn't look at carbon, as the frames were not being included in suitable cycles for the task. Many cargo bikes take 150Kg (and in fact my friends bought two of these - I think the Kona Ute?), but all the weights are all in, so for the cargo bike that's the rider, shopping and anything else you may be carrying. This is just a FWIW posting, but there are lots of very overweight folk in society which decide to use cycling to lose weight (a good thing should they so choose to do lose weight that way), but are often sold unsuitable cycles for the job. I would have thought there was a market for stronger cycles, or at least the information about any weight limit should be up front in big print. A catastrophic frame failure on the go is never going to be a good thing. However, my 'research' as such is 4 years old and I hope the industry has moved on. Malcolm -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT; Cycles and frame weight limits, was : Geso, jays in flight
Knarf wrote: I don't follow you. Cheers, frank On 14 August, 2015 11:50:26 PM EDT, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: Schwinn varsity. Schwinn varsities were so incredibly heavy and overbuilt they would probably carry a modern American family of four without complaint. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT; Cycles and frame weight limits, was : Geso, jays in flight
On 15 August 2015 at 19:54, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Knarf wrote: I don't follow you. Cheers, frank On 14 August, 2015 11:50:26 PM EDT, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: Schwinn varsity. Schwinn varsities were so incredibly heavy and overbuilt they would probably carry a modern American family of four without complaint. I don't remember them having a place to carry cleft sticks. Which would be an absolute necessity on a world tour. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT; Cycles and frame weight limits, was : Geso, jays in flight
Don't know anything about cycle frames, but at Grand Canyon National Park in Arizona, they won't let you take the mule trip if you weigh over 200 lb. On 8/14/2015 11:31 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote: Bob W wrote: If it's anything like tyre pressures then it's probably good for 440lb [1]. As I understand things, to decide the maximum tyre pressure they inflate them until they burst. They then declare the maximum pressure to be half the bursting pressure. [1] Caveat: I am not a test engineer. Any attempt to exceed the stated maximum is at your own risk. Don't sue me - I haven't any money. Some time ago I was asked how to find out what weight a cycle would take by two of my friends, who were overweight. They were both tall and suspected they may have to lose weight first. As cycling is low impact exercise on joints, I thought it made sense for them to cycle as soon as possible, especially as you see improvement quickly. I lost 30Kg myself in 2010 by adding cycling for an hour or to my day for six months and cutting out snacks. Oddly enough, it was really difficult to find that information, although you could find just about anything else out! One or two manufacturers do hide the details in the fine print of the specifications, and this is my rough guide from Summer 2011. Most good quality metal frames (Reynolds 501 and above with the exception of 753) will have a top end weight of 125Kg. Many metal framed mountain bikes are about the same, but don't expect to do anything other than normal easy cycling at the top limit. I didn't look at carbon, as the frames were not being included in suitable cycles for the task. Many cargo bikes take 150Kg (and in fact my friends bought two of these - I think the Kona Ute?), but all the weights are all in, so for the cargo bike that's the rider, shopping and anything else you may be carrying. This is just a FWIW posting, but there are lots of very overweight folk in society which decide to use cycling to lose weight (a good thing should they so choose to do lose weight that way), but are often sold unsuitable cycles for the job. I would have thought there was a market for stronger cycles, or at least the information about any weight limit should be up front in big print. A catastrophic frame failure on the go is never going to be a good thing. However, my 'research' as such is 4 years old and I hope the industry has moved on. Malcolm -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT; Cycles and frame weight limits, was : Geso, jays in flight
Ah, now I get it. Good point. Cheers, frank On 15 August, 2015 2:54:54 PM EDT, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Knarf wrote: I don't follow you. Cheers, frank On 14 August, 2015 11:50:26 PM EDT, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: Schwinn varsity. Schwinn varsities were so incredibly heavy and overbuilt they would probably carry a modern American family of four without complaint. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT; Cycles and frame weight limits, was : Geso, jays in flight
Knarf wrote: Ah, now I get it. Good point. And in case it wasn't obvious, the suggestion was a joke. Well, mostly anyways. Cheers, frank On 15 August, 2015 2:54:54 PM EDT, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: Knarf wrote: I don't follow you. Cheers, frank On 14 August, 2015 11:50:26 PM EDT, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: Schwinn varsity. Schwinn varsities were so incredibly heavy and overbuilt they would probably carry a modern American family of four without complaint. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT; Cycles and frame weight limits, was : Geso, jays in flight
I got the joke part, too. :-) Cheers, Frank On 15 August, 2015 3:32:37 PM EDT, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Knarf wrote: Ah, now I get it. Good point. And in case it wasn't obvious, the suggestion was a joke. Well, mostly anyways. Cheers, frank On 15 August, 2015 2:54:54 PM EDT, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: Knarf wrote: I don't follow you. Cheers, frank On 14 August, 2015 11:50:26 PM EDT, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: Schwinn varsity. Schwinn varsities were so incredibly heavy and overbuilt they would probably carry a modern American family of four without complaint. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT; Cycles and frame weight limits, was : Geso, jays in flight
So I guess a 225lb person will break his ass. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: OT; Cycles and frame weight limits, was : Geso, jays in flight Don't know anything about cycle frames, but at Grand Canyon National Park in Arizona, they won't let you take the mule trip if you weigh over 200 lb. On 8/14/2015 11:31 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote: Bob W wrote: If it's anything like tyre pressures then it's probably good for 440lb [1]. As I understand things, to decide the maximum tyre pressure they inflate them until they burst. They then declare the maximum pressure to be half the bursting pressure. [1] Caveat: I am not a test engineer. Any attempt to exceed the stated maximum is at your own risk. Don't sue me - I haven't any money. Some time ago I was asked how to find out what weight a cycle would take by two of my friends, who were overweight. They were both tall and suspected they may have to lose weight first. As cycling is low impact exercise on joints, I thought it made sense for them to cycle as soon as possible, especially as you see improvement quickly. I lost 30Kg myself in 2010 by adding cycling for an hour or to my day for six months and cutting out snacks. Oddly enough, it was really difficult to find that information, although you could find just about anything else out! One or two manufacturers do hide the details in the fine print of the specifications, and this is my rough guide from Summer 2011. Most good quality metal frames (Reynolds 501 and above with the exception of 753) will have a top end weight of 125Kg. Many metal framed mountain bikes are about the same, but don't expect to do anything other than normal easy cycling at the top limit. I didn't look at carbon, as the frames were not being included in suitable cycles for the task. Many cargo bikes take 150Kg (and in fact my friends bought two of these - I think the Kona Ute?), but all the weights are all in, so for the cargo bike that's the rider, shopping and anything else you may be carrying. This is just a FWIW posting, but there are lots of very overweight folk in society which decide to use cycling to lose weight (a good thing should they so choose to do lose weight that way), but are often sold unsuitable cycles for the job. I would have thought there was a market for stronger cycles, or at least the information about any weight limit should be up front in big print. A catastrophic frame failure on the go is never going to be a good thing. However, my 'research' as such is 4 years old and I hope the industry has moved on. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT; Cycles and frame weight limits, was : Geso, jays in flight
And where would you put the 600, tripod and gimbal head? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: OT; Cycles and frame weight limits, was : Geso, jays in flight On 15 August 2015 at 19:54, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Knarf wrote: I don't follow you. Cheers, frank On 14 August, 2015 11:50:26 PM EDT, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: Schwinn varsity. Schwinn varsities were so incredibly heavy and overbuilt they would probably carry a modern American family of four without complaint. I don't remember them having a place to carry cleft sticks. Which would be an absolute necessity on a world tour. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT; Cycles and frame weight limits, was : Geso, jays in flight
In the cedarwood trunk, lined with zinc to keep ants out, obviously. B On 15 Aug 2015, at 20:54, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: And where would you put the 600, tripod and gimbal head? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: OT; Cycles and frame weight limits, was : Geso, jays in flight On 15 August 2015 at 19:54, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Knarf wrote: I don't follow you. Cheers, frank On 14 August, 2015 11:50:26 PM EDT, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: Schwinn varsity. Schwinn varsities were so incredibly heavy and overbuilt they would probably carry a modern American family of four without complaint. I don't remember them having a place to carry cleft sticks. Which would be an absolute necessity on a world tour. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Geso, jays in flight
If it's anything like tyre pressures then it's probably good for 440lb [1]. As I understand things, to decide the maximum tyre pressure they inflate them until they burst. They then declare the maximum pressure to be half the bursting pressure. [1] Caveat: I am not a test engineer. Any attempt to exceed the stated maximum is at your own risk. Don't sue me - I haven't any money. B -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Knarf Sent: 14 August 2015 13:56 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight I think that 220lb is for optimum handling or something. Its not like it'll snap in two if 221lb sits on it. It's like a best before date: They're just making it up. Buy the bike. Ride a couple of true centuries. You'll be under 220 in no time. Cheers, frank On 13 August, 2015 6:11:49 PM EDT, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Yeah, but the bikes weight limit is only 220 lbs ! That could be a problem Dave Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight False dichotomy. For $6000 you've got the 560mm: http://m.henrys.com/74968-PENTAX-DA-560MM-F5-6-ED-AW- LENS.aspx For $14,000 you've got the Marinoni Genius with Campy Super Record EPS and Bora wheelset. http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/html/Genius.html That's like 1/2 the price of one truck. Think outside the box... Cheers, frank On 12 August, 2015 9:02:54 PM EDT, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Truck, lens, truck lens Oy -- -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso, jays in flight
But what about the 20# lens ? -Original Message- From: Knarf knarftheriault@gmail. Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight I think that 220lb is for optimum handling or something. Its not like it'll snap in two if 221lb sits on it. It's like a best before date: They're just making it up. Buy the bike. Ride a couple of true centuries. You'll be under 220 in no time. Cheers, frank On 13 August, 2015 6:11:49 PM EDT, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Yeah, but the bikes weight limit is only 220 lbs ! That could be a problem Dave Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight False dichotomy. For $6000 you've got the 560mm: http://m.henrys.com/74968-PENTAX-DA-560MM-F5-6-ED-AW-LENS.aspx For $14,000 you've got the Marinoni Genius with Campy Super Record EPS and Bora wheelset. http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/html/Genius.html That's like 1/2 the price of one truck. Think outside the box... Cheers, frank On 12 August, 2015 9:02:54 PM EDT, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Truck, lens, truck lens Oy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso, jays in flight
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: If it's anything like tyre pressures then it's probably good for 440lb [1]. As I understand things, to decide the maximum tyre pressure they inflate them until they burst. They then declare the maximum pressure to be half the bursting pressure. I did a number of years(20) in the gas pipeline game, as a surveyor, and they do the same for the hydro static test. If OP is designed for 1000 PSI they run the 24 hour test at 1500psi. Dave [1] Caveat: I am not a test engineer. Any attempt to exceed the stated maximum is at your own risk. Don't sue me - I haven't any money. B -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Knarf Sent: 14 August 2015 13:56 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight I think that 220lb is for optimum handling or something. Its not like it'll snap in two if 221lb sits on it. It's like a best before date: They're just making it up. Buy the bike. Ride a couple of true centuries. You'll be under 220 in no time. Cheers, frank On 13 August, 2015 6:11:49 PM EDT, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Yeah, but the bikes weight limit is only 220 lbs ! That could be a problem Dave Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight False dichotomy. For $6000 you've got the 560mm: http://m.henrys.com/74968-PENTAX-DA-560MM-F5-6-ED-AW- LENS.aspx For $14,000 you've got the Marinoni Genius with Campy Super Record EPS and Bora wheelset. http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/html/Genius.html That's like 1/2 the price of one truck. Think outside the box... Cheers, frank On 12 August, 2015 9:02:54 PM EDT, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Truck, lens, truck lens Oy -- -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT; Cycles and frame weight limits, was : Geso, jays in flight
Bob W wrote: If it's anything like tyre pressures then it's probably good for 440lb [1]. As I understand things, to decide the maximum tyre pressure they inflate them until they burst. They then declare the maximum pressure to be half the bursting pressure. [1] Caveat: I am not a test engineer. Any attempt to exceed the stated maximum is at your own risk. Don't sue me - I haven't any money. Some time ago I was asked how to find out what weight a cycle would take by two of my friends, who were overweight. They were both tall and suspected they may have to lose weight first. As cycling is low impact exercise on joints, I thought it made sense for them to cycle as soon as possible, especially as you see improvement quickly. I lost 30Kg myself in 2010 by adding cycling for an hour or to my day for six months and cutting out snacks. Oddly enough, it was really difficult to find that information, although you could find just about anything else out! One or two manufacturers do hide the details in the fine print of the specifications, and this is my rough guide from Summer 2011. Most good quality metal frames (Reynolds 501 and above with the exception of 753) will have a top end weight of 125Kg. Many metal framed mountain bikes are about the same, but don't expect to do anything other than normal easy cycling at the top limit. I didn't look at carbon, as the frames were not being included in suitable cycles for the task. Many cargo bikes take 150Kg (and in fact my friends bought two of these - I think the Kona Ute?), but all the weights are all in, so for the cargo bike that's the rider, shopping and anything else you may be carrying. This is just a FWIW posting, but there are lots of very overweight folk in society which decide to use cycling to lose weight (a good thing should they so choose to do lose weight that way), but are often sold unsuitable cycles for the job. I would have thought there was a market for stronger cycles, or at least the information about any weight limit should be up front in big print. A catastrophic frame failure on the go is never going to be a good thing. However, my 'research' as such is 4 years old and I hope the industry has moved on. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT; Cycles and frame weight limits, was : Geso, jays in flight
On 14 Aug 2015, at 16:32, Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com wrote: Some time ago I was asked how to find out what weight a cycle would take by two of my friends, who were overweight. They were both tall and suspected they may have to lose weight first. As cycling is low impact exercise on joints, I thought it made sense for them to cycle as soon as possible, especially as you see improvement quickly. I lost 30Kg myself in 2010 by adding cycling for an hour or to my day for six months and cutting out snacks. That's very impressive. I've found that cycling 6-7 hours a day across France has a similar effect and you still get to eat snacks :0) [...] Most good quality metal frames (Reynolds 501 and above with the exception of 753) will have a top end weight of 125Kg. Many metal framed mountain bikes are about the same, but don't expect to do anything other than normal easy cycling at the top limit. [...] I'd have thought a decent mountain bike would take more than that, given the stresses involved in dropping off a mountain. Something with 29er wheels would also probably suif a tall person better than 26 wheels. Many cargo bikes take 150Kg (and in fact my friends bought two of these - I think the Kona Ute?), but all the weights are all in, so for the cargo bike that's the rider, shopping and anything else you may be carrying. This is just a FWIW posting, but there are lots of very overweight folk in society which decide to use cycling to lose weight (a good thing should they so choose to do lose weight that way), but are often sold unsuitable cycles for the job. I would have thought there was a market for stronger cycles, or at least the information about any weight limit should be up front in big print. A catastrophic frame failure on the go is never going to be a good thing. However, my 'research' as such is 4 years old and I hope the industry has moved on. Indeed. Not everybody would be able to afford this, but for anyone who could I'd recommend having a made-to-measure frame built by an experienced framebuilder. A round-the-world bike designed for fully-loaded touring in rough countries would also be a good choice I think. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT; Cycles and frame weight limits, was : Geso, jays in flight
Bob W wrote: That's very impressive. I've found that cycling 6-7 hours a day across France has a similar effect and you still get to eat snacks :0) That's the benefit of cycling, which has allowed me to retain a small chocolate ration in life! I'd have thought a decent mountain bike would take more than that, given the stresses involved in dropping off a mountain. Something with 29er wheels would also probably suif a tall person better than 26 wheels. Depends which flavour of mountain bike really. Decent hardtails with front suspension only should take more, but the cross country m/b's with both front and rear suspension of up to a 100mm travel are designed for speed over rough terrain and not weight carrying. The all-terrain (up to 140mm travel) may take a little more and all of the downhill bikes feel like they will survive anything, but aren't great to pedal on the flat or uphill. My own mountain bike had a recommendation of 125Kg hidden deep in the handbook but as I bought that in 2011, times may have moved on - it's a Giant Anthem 29er - and also the best cross country mountain bike I've ever owned by a considerable margin. I quite enjoy mountain biking for itself, but it was bought to help me photo more and different areas of the forest in less time than walking. Two hobbies in one, win/win! I did notice a big difference between 26 29 inch wheels, but 26 inch wheels are stronger. Now I understand that there are even more choices, with wider 29er rims and 650b wheel sizes, but what these extra choices offer I have no idea. I know I prefer 29er wheels. Indeed. Not everybody would be able to afford this, but for anyone who could I'd recommend having a made-to-measure frame built by an experienced framebuilder. A round-the-world bike designed for fully-loaded touring in rough countries would also be a good choice I think. Absolutely. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT; Cycles and frame weight limits, was : Geso, jays in flight
Schwinn varsity. On August 14, 2015 10:21:05 AM PDT, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote: On 14 Aug 2015, at 16:32, Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com wrote: Some time ago I was asked how to find out what weight a cycle would take by two of my friends, who were overweight. They were both tall and suspected they may have to lose weight first. As cycling is low impact exercise on joints, I thought it made sense for them to cycle as soon as possible, especially as you see improvement quickly. I lost 30Kg myself in 2010 by adding cycling for an hour or to my day for six months and cutting out snacks. That's very impressive. I've found that cycling 6-7 hours a day across France has a similar effect and you still get to eat snacks :0) [...] Most good quality metal frames (Reynolds 501 and above with the exception of 753) will have a top end weight of 125Kg. Many metal framed mountain bikes are about the same, but don't expect to do anything other than normal easy cycling at the top limit. [...] I'd have thought a decent mountain bike would take more than that, given the stresses involved in dropping off a mountain. Something with 29er wheels would also probably suif a tall person better than 26 wheels. Many cargo bikes take 150Kg (and in fact my friends bought two of these - I think the Kona Ute?), but all the weights are all in, so for the cargo bike that's the rider, shopping and anything else you may be carrying. This is just a FWIW posting, but there are lots of very overweight folk in society which decide to use cycling to lose weight (a good thing should they so choose to do lose weight that way), but are often sold unsuitable cycles for the job. I would have thought there was a market for stronger cycles, or at least the information about any weight limit should be up front in big print. A catastrophic frame failure on the go is never going to be a good thing. However, my 'research' as such is 4 years old and I hope the industry has moved on. Indeed. Not everybody would be able to afford this, but for anyone who could I'd recommend having a made-to-measure frame built by an experienced framebuilder. A round-the-world bike designed for fully-loaded touring in rough countries would also be a good choice I think. B -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't follow you. Cheers, frank On 14 August, 2015 11:50:26 PM EDT, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Schwinn varsity. On August 14, 2015 10:21:05 AM PDT, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote: On 14 Aug 2015, at 16:32, Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com wrote: Some time ago I was asked how to find out what weight a cycle would take by two of my friends, who were overweight. They were both tall and suspected they may have to lose weight first. As cycling is low impact exercise on joints, I thought it made sense for them to cycle as soon as possible, especially as you see improvement quickly. I lost 30Kg myself in 2010 by adding cycling for an hour or to my day for six months and cutting out snacks. That's very impressive. I've found that cycling 6-7 hours a day across France has a similar effect and you still get to eat snacks :0) [...] Most good quality metal frames (Reynolds 501 and above with the exception of 753) will have a top end weight of 125Kg. Many metal framed mountain bikes are about the same, but don't expect to do anything other than normal easy cycling at the top limit. [...] I'd have thought a decent mountain bike would take more than that, given the stresses involved in dropping off a mountain. Something with 29er wheels would also probably suif a tall person better than 26 wheels. Many cargo bikes take 150Kg (and in fact my friends bought two of these - I think the Kona Ute?), but all the weights are all in, so for the cargo bike that's the rider, shopping and anything else you may be carrying. This is just a FWIW posting, but there are lots of very overweight folk in society which decide to use cycling to lose weight (a good thing should they so choose to do lose weight that way), but are often sold unsuitable cycles for the job. I would have thought there was a market for stronger cycles, or at least the information about any weight limit should be up front in big print. A catastrophic frame failure on the go is never going to be a good thing. However, my 'research' as such is 4 years old and I hope the industry has moved on. Indeed. Not everybody would be able to afford this, but for anyone who could I'd recommend having a made-to-measure frame built by an experienced framebuilder. A round-the-world bike designed for fully-loaded touring in rough countries would also be a good choice I think. B -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Until you inflate your tyre to 120psi on a rim that’s rated for 115psi. I learned that the hard way. I owe my face to the fact it was the back wheel that blew out while going down a hill. I suspect the pressure was a bit higher than 120 by then. Cheers, Dave On Aug 15, 2015, at 1:31 am, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: If it's anything like tyre pressures then it's probably good for 440lb [1]. As I understand things, to decide the maximum tyre pressure they inflate them until they burst. They then declare the maximum pressure to be half the bursting pressure. [1] Caveat: I am not a test engineer. Any attempt to exceed the stated maximum is at your own risk. Don't sue me - I haven't any money. B -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Knarf Sent: 14 August 2015 13:56 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight I think that 220lb is for optimum handling or something. Its not like it'll snap in two if 221lb sits on it. It's like a best before date: They're just making it up. Buy the bike. Ride a couple of true centuries. You'll be under 220 in no time. Cheers, frank On 13 August, 2015 6:11:49 PM EDT, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Yeah, but the bikes weight limit is only 220 lbs ! That could be a problem Dave Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight False dichotomy. For $6000 you've got the 560mm: http://m.henrys.com/74968-PENTAX-DA-560MM-F5-6-ED-AW- LENS.aspx For $14,000 you've got the Marinoni Genius with Campy Super Record EPS and Bora wheelset. http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/html/Genius.html That's like 1/2 the price of one truck. Think outside the box... Cheers, frank On 12 August, 2015 9:02:54 PM EDT, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Truck, lens, truck lens Oy -- -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think that 220lb is for optimum handling or something. Its not like it'll snap in two if 221lb sits on it. It's like a best before date: They're just making it up. Buy the bike. Ride a couple of true centuries. You'll be under 220 in no time. Cheers, frank On 13 August, 2015 6:11:49 PM EDT, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Yeah, but the bikes weight limit is only 220 lbs ! That could be a problem Dave Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight False dichotomy. For $6000 you've got the 560mm: http://m.henrys.com/74968-PENTAX-DA-560MM-F5-6-ED-AW-LENS.aspx For $14,000 you've got the Marinoni Genius with Campy Super Record EPS and Bora wheelset. http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/html/Genius.html That's like 1/2 the price of one truck. Think outside the box... Cheers, frank On 12 August, 2015 9:02:54 PM EDT, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Truck, lens, truck lens Oy -- -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Yeah, but the bikes weight limit is only 220 lbs ! That could be a problem Dave Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight False dichotomy. For $6000 you've got the 560mm: http://m.henrys.com/74968-PENTAX-DA-560MM-F5-6-ED-AW-LENS.aspx For $14,000 you've got the Marinoni Genius with Campy Super Record EPS and Bora wheelset. http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/html/Genius.html That's like 1/2 the price of one truck. Think outside the box... Cheers, frank On 12 August, 2015 9:02:54 PM EDT, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Truck, lens, truck lens Oy -- -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm not exactly sure how whether or not a fish needs a bicycle relates to the cost of an imaginary 600mm f/2.8 lens? On 8/13/2015 12:30 AM, Knarf wrote: False dichotomy. For $6000 you've got the 560mm: http://m.henrys.com/74968-PENTAX-DA-560MM-F5-6-ED-AW-LENS.aspx For $14,000 you've got the Marinoni Genius with Campy Super Record EPS and Bora wheelset. http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/html/Genius.html That's like 1/2 the price of one truck. Think outside the box... Cheers, frank On 12 August, 2015 9:02:54 PM EDT, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Truck, lens, truck lens Oy -- -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah, but the bikes weight limit is only 220 lbs ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight False dichotomy. For $6000 you've got the 560mm: http://m.henrys.com/74968-PENTAX-DA-560MM-F5-6-ED-AW-LENS.aspx For $14,000 you've got the Marinoni Genius with Campy Super Record EPS and Bora wheelset. http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/html/Genius.html That's like 1/2 the price of one truck. Think outside the box... Cheers, frank On 12 August, 2015 9:02:54 PM EDT, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Truck, lens, truck lens Oy -- -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 12/8/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Yes i am.:-) At 2.8 or even 3.2 i'll have to play around with a pre focus point, as they come in from a bit of an angle to my right, thus the higher ap values like 5.6 and 6.3 to give my more in focus area but a poor back drop. Practice, we talking about practice here. Dave And money - you've got to buy a 600mm f/2.8 lens (or at a pinch we'll let you off the hook with an f/4 version) Liz, get in here and read this email. Cotty says so. Dave :-D -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 12/8/15, John, discombobulated, unleashed: Just in case there was something I was missing, I searched. The fastest 600 prime I found was F/4. I told him this was gonna be expensive -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 12/8/15, John, discombobulated, unleashed: Just in case there was something I was missing, I searched. The fastest 600 prime I found was F/4. I told him this was gonna be expensive Truck, lens, truck lens Oy -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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False dichotomy. For $6000 you've got the 560mm: http://m.henrys.com/74968-PENTAX-DA-560MM-F5-6-ED-AW-LENS.aspx For $14,000 you've got the Marinoni Genius with Campy Super Record EPS and Bora wheelset. http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/html/Genius.html That's like 1/2 the price of one truck. Think outside the box... Cheers, frank On 12 August, 2015 9:02:54 PM EDT, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Truck, lens, truck lens Oy -- -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/8/15, Ken Waller, discombobulated, unleashed: And WD = ? War Department. The Mrs !! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/8/15, Ken Waller, discombobulated, unleashed: A 600mm should solve the lens issue ! f/2.8 should do it. At a pinch an f/4. You getting this Dave -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 11/8/15, Ken Waller, discombobulated, unleashed: A 600mm should solve the lens issue ! Yup f/2.8 should do it. At a pinch an f/4. You getting this Dave Yes i am.:-) At 2.8 or even 3.2 i'll have to play around with a pre focus point, as they come in from a bit of an angle to my right, thus the higher ap values like 5.6 and 6.3 to give my more in focus area but a poor back drop. Practice, we talking about practice here. Dave -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 12/8/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Yes i am.:-) At 2.8 or even 3.2 i'll have to play around with a pre focus point, as they come in from a bit of an angle to my right, thus the higher ap values like 5.6 and 6.3 to give my more in focus area but a poor back drop. Practice, we talking about practice here. Dave And money - you've got to buy a 600mm f/2.8 lens (or at a pinch we'll let you off the hook with an f/4 version) :-D -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/12/2015 8:27 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 11/8/15, Ken Waller, discombobulated, unleashed: A 600mm should solve the lens issue ! Yup f/2.8 should do it. At a pinch an f/4. You getting this Dave Yes i am.:-) At 2.8 or even 3.2 i'll have to play around with a pre focus point, as they come in from a bit of an angle to my right, thus the higher ap values like 5.6 and 6.3 to give my more in focus area but a poor back drop. Practice, we talking about practice here. Dave Or maybe plant some ivy along that wall let nature soften the backdrop for you. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And money - you've got to buy a 600mm f/2.8 lens (or at a pinch we'll let you off the hook with an f/4 version) FWIW - I'm not aware of any f2.8 600mm prime lens, by any manufacturer. My 600mm f4.0 already weighs too much - would need a small truck to cart around something like that. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight On 12/8/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Yes i am.:-) At 2.8 or even 3.2 i'll have to play around with a pre focus point, as they come in from a bit of an angle to my right, thus the higher ap values like 5.6 and 6.3 to give my more in focus area but a poor back drop. Practice, we talking about practice here. Dave And money - you've got to buy a 600mm f/2.8 lens (or at a pinch we'll let you off the hook with an f/4 version) :-D -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Just in case there was something I was missing, I searched. The fastest 600 prime I found was F/4. Sigma makes a 200-500mm f/2.8 EX DG zoom lens, but it doesn't appear to be available in Pentax mount. On 8/12/2015 1:56 PM, Ken Waller wrote: And money - you've got to buy a 600mm f/2.8 lens (or at a pinch we'll let you off the hook with an f/4 version) FWIW - I'm not aware of any f2.8 600mm prime lens, by any manufacturer. My 600mm f4.0 already weighs too much - would need a small truck to cart around something like that. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight On 12/8/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Yes i am.:-) At 2.8 or even 3.2 i'll have to play around with a pre focus point, as they come in from a bit of an angle to my right, thus the higher ap values like 5.6 and 6.3 to give my more in focus area but a poor back drop. Practice, we talking about practice here. Dave And money - you've got to buy a 600mm f/2.8 lens (or at a pinch we'll let you off the hook with an f/4 version) :-D -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/8/15, Ken Waller, discombobulated, unleashed: Maybe drape something over the fence ? The WD doesn't like being that high apparently ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/8/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: I sit in a shady spot.:-) Shade is good, yer excused -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark, these are in my back yard, but actually yes i could pull my car up close.:-) I think i'll need to rethink my location, lens picks a little more seriously now. Dave On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Nice action shots though I agree about the fence - maybe setup a blind to get closer and better blur the background. Can you pull a car up closer to the jays? Cars make great blinds, just sit in the comfy seat with the window down and wait... On 8/10/2015 12:05 PM, David J Brooks wrote: I made a small, yes Cotty a small gallery of my recent jays in flight shots. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2015-jays1/album/index.html I know a few should be cropped but these are for your viewing pleasure as is.:-) Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nice action shots though I agree about the fence - maybe setup a blind to get closer and better blur the background. Can you pull a car up closer to the jays? Cars make great blinds, just sit in the comfy seat with the window down and wait... On 8/10/2015 12:05 PM, David J Brooks wrote: I made a small, yes Cotty a small gallery of my recent jays in flight shots. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2015-jays1/album/index.html I know a few should be cropped but these are for your viewing pleasure as is.:-) Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 11/8/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: I think i'll need to rethink my location, lens picks a little more seriously now. The challenge is on Seems a lot are shot at 105mm, my fa 100 f 2.8 may just do the trick then Dave -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Darren Dave On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: David, That is an impressive set with several images reaching the level of simply stunning! All of them technically excellent. On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:05 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I made a small, yes Cotty a small gallery of my recent jays in flight shots. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2015-jays1/album/index.html I know a few should be cropped but these are for your viewing pleasure as is.:-) Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/8/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: I made a small, yes Cotty a small gallery of my recent jays in flight shots. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2015-jays1/album/index.html I know a few should be cropped but these are for your viewing pleasure as is.:-) You call that small! The fence really bugs me man. If the camera was a couple more feet away from the ground you'd have grass as the back drop. Maybe shoot wide open to soften it up a bit? Their actual movement is crystal sharp so that's nailed. I like the interaction when there's 2 or more birds in the frame. Ditch yer recliner for a bar stool!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What Cotty said!! J - Original Message - From: Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:56:05 AM Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight On 10/8/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: I made a small, yes Cotty a small gallery of my recent jays in flight shots. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2015-jays1/album/index.html I know a few should be cropped but these are for your viewing pleasure as is.:-) You call that small! The fence really bugs me man. If the camera was a couple more feet away from the ground you'd have grass as the back drop. Maybe shoot wide open to soften it up a bit? Their actual movement is crystal sharp so that's nailed. I like the interaction when there's 2 or more birds in the frame. Ditch yer recliner for a bar stool!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree with Cotty. You've got some nice crisp action shots but the background ruins them. Maybe drape something over the fence ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight What Cotty said!! J - Original Message - From: Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:56:05 AM Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight On 10/8/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: I made a small, yes Cotty a small gallery of my recent jays in flight shots. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2015-jays1/album/index.html I know a few should be cropped but these are for your viewing pleasure as is.:-) You call that small! The fence really bugs me man. If the camera was a couple more feet away from the ground you'd have grass as the back drop. Maybe shoot wide open to soften it up a bit? Their actual movement is crystal sharp so that's nailed. I like the interaction when there's 2 or more birds in the frame. Ditch yer recliner for a bar stool!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ya the fence is a problem, i realize that. I sit in a shady spot.:-) Using the dfa 50-200 leaves me with a higher Ap then i want, maybe i can try my FA 100 f2.8 and sit a bit closer, sorry stand a bit closer.:-) Dave On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: What Cotty said!! J - Original Message - From: Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:56:05 AM Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight On 10/8/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: I made a small, yes Cotty a small gallery of my recent jays in flight shots. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2015-jays1/album/index.html I know a few should be cropped but these are for your viewing pleasure as is.:-) You call that small! The fence really bugs me man. If the camera was a couple more feet away from the ground you'd have grass as the back drop. Maybe shoot wide open to soften it up a bit? Their actual movement is crystal sharp so that's nailed. I like the interaction when there's 2 or more birds in the frame. Ditch yer recliner for a bar stool!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/8/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: I think i'll need to rethink my location, lens picks a little more seriously now. The challenge is on -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The WD doesn't like being that high apparently ;-) And WD = ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight On 11/8/15, Ken Waller, discombobulated, unleashed: Maybe drape something over the fence ? The WD doesn't like being that high apparently ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think i'll need to rethink my location, lens picks a little more seriously now. A 600mm should solve the lens issue ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight On 11/8/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: I think i'll need to rethink my location, lens picks a little more seriously now. The challenge is on -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I made a small, yes Cotty a small gallery of my recent jays in flight shots. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2015-jays1/album/index.html I know a few should be cropped but these are for your viewing pleasure as is.:-) Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David, That is an impressive set with several images reaching the level of simply stunning! All of them technically excellent. On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:05 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I made a small, yes Cotty a small gallery of my recent jays in flight shots. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2015-jays1/album/index.html I know a few should be cropped but these are for your viewing pleasure as is.:-) Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
