Re: HTML testing

2016-05-11 Thread Jack Davis 
I say we go with the "Doug"policy!

J

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> On May 11, 2016, at 10:37 AM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> We have a list policy?  Does it cover breakage?
> 
>> On 5/9/2016 11:47 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:
>> Looking into it in more depth reveals that allowing HTML through Mailman 
>> (our list software) entails suspending content filtering, which then allows 
>> file attachments through. I am hesitant to remove the filtering, imagining 
>> all sorts of trouble with attachments, not least of which would be the open 
>> invitation to send malicious content.
>> 
>> It is of course possible to migrate to a more HTML-friendly software, but 
>> doing so would involve another learning curve I'm not sure I'm willing to 
>> experience, since Mailman serves our purposes quite well and has done since 
>> I took over, with the occasional hiccup.
>> 
>> Note that this is not list policy I'm talking about, but rather my personal 
>> preference. I'm willing to take into consideration arguments for and against 
>> the ability to experience pink 36pt fonts for the PDML.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5/9/16 11:11 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>>> already done... no go
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 By the way: If someone could try sending HTML email to The List to see
 if it gets through it would be most helpful.
 
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Re: HTML testing

2016-05-11 Thread P.J. Alling 

We have a list policy?  Does it cover breakage?

On 5/9/2016 11:47 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:
Looking into it in more depth reveals that allowing HTML through 
Mailman (our list software) entails suspending content filtering, 
which then allows file attachments through. I am hesitant to remove 
the filtering, imagining all sorts of trouble with attachments, not 
least of which would be the open invitation to send malicious content.


It is of course possible to migrate to a more HTML-friendly software, 
but doing so would involve another learning curve I'm not sure I'm 
willing to experience, since Mailman serves our purposes quite well 
and has done since I took over, with the occasional hiccup.


Note that this is not list policy I'm talking about, but rather my 
personal preference. I'm willing to take into consideration arguments 
for and against the ability to experience pink 36pt fonts for the PDML.



On 5/9/16 11:11 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

already done... no go

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By the way: If someone could try sending HTML email to The List to see
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Re: HTML testing

2016-05-10 Thread John 

On 5/10/2016 8:37 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

mike wilson wrote:


It's made perfectly clear on joining that the list is plain text only.  If
someone has something to say that is important enough, they will find a way of
sending it plain text.  I prefer the security and lack of farkles of the present
situation.


When we get it all sorted the List will still be in plain text only.
But people will be able to send email to the server without
reconfiguring their client to send plain text only. (The server will
strip out everything but the plain text before passing it on to the
list.)

This is becoming important because almost all email services default
to HTML text these days and they're (deliberately, in my opinion)
making it more difficult for users to change to plain text only.




They can take my plain text email when they pry it from my cold dead 
fingers!


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Re: HTML testing

2016-05-10 Thread Doug Brewer 
I think I have it set correctly for conversion, and I also set it to 
generate an error message if someone tries to post something that's not 
explicitly accepted, so instead of just wondering what happened to your 
email and then having me tell you to try plain text, you should get the 
bounce.


That said, I don't anticipate many error messages if I have it set the 
way we want it.


Carry on, then.

On 5/10/16 9:02 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:01 AM, mike wilson  wrote:

On 09 May 2016 at 22:08 Matthew Hunt  wrote:

Dropping HTML email without notifying the user of the problem is
broken. I'm glad to see an effort to fix it, whether the solution is
sending HTML to the list, stripping the formatting, or sending an
error message.


It's made perfectly clear on joining that the list is plain text only.  If
someone has something to say that is important enough, they will find a way of
sending it plain text.  I prefer the security and lack of farkles of the present
situation.


Did you even read what I wrote? Keeping the list plain text is fine.
Dropping email without alerting the user to a problem is not. I'm glad
that Mark & Doug recognize this.



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Re: HTML testing

2016-05-10 Thread Matthew Hunt 
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:01 AM, mike wilson  wrote:
>> On 09 May 2016 at 22:08 Matthew Hunt  wrote:
>>
>> Dropping HTML email without notifying the user of the problem is
>> broken. I'm glad to see an effort to fix it, whether the solution is
>> sending HTML to the list, stripping the formatting, or sending an
>> error message.
>
> It's made perfectly clear on joining that the list is plain text only.  If
> someone has something to say that is important enough, they will find a way of
> sending it plain text.  I prefer the security and lack of farkles of the 
> present
> situation.

Did you even read what I wrote? Keeping the list plain text is fine.
Dropping email without alerting the user to a problem is not. I'm glad
that Mark & Doug recognize this.

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Re: HTML testing

2016-05-10 Thread Mark Roberts 
mike wilson wrote:

>It's made perfectly clear on joining that the list is plain text only.  If
>someone has something to say that is important enough, they will find a way of
>sending it plain text.  I prefer the security and lack of farkles of the 
>present
>situation.

When we get it all sorted the List will still be in plain text only.
But people will be able to send email to the server without
reconfiguring their client to send plain text only. (The server will
strip out everything but the plain text before passing it on to the
list.) 

This is becoming important because almost all email services default
to HTML text these days and they're (deliberately, in my opinion)
making it more difficult for users to change to plain text only.
 
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Re: HTML testing

2016-05-10 Thread mike wilson 
> On 09 May 2016 at 22:08 Matthew Hunt  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 4:56 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> > Isn't there some old engineering proverb that goes something like "If it
> > ain't broke, don't fix it" ?
> 
> Dropping HTML email without notifying the user of the problem is
> broken. I'm glad to see an effort to fix it, whether the solution is
> sending HTML to the list, stripping the formatting, or sending an
> error message.

It's made perfectly clear on joining that the list is plain text only.  If
someone has something to say that is important enough, they will find a way of
sending it plain text.  I prefer the security and lack of farkles of the present
situation.

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Re: HTML testing

2016-05-09 Thread David Mann 
I run a small mailing list through Google Groups which does allow attachments.

Every so often someone will send a photo then everyone who replies to it tends 
to include another copy of the original attachment (I think this behaviour 
varies depending on software / settings). The data can add up pretty quickly.

Cheers,
Dave

> On May 10, 2016, at 3:47 AM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
> Looking into it in more depth reveals that allowing HTML through Mailman (our 
> list software) entails suspending content filtering, which then allows file 
> attachments through. I am hesitant to remove the filtering, imagining all 
> sorts of trouble with attachments, not least of which would be the open 
> invitation to send malicious content.
> 
> It is of course possible to migrate to a more HTML-friendly software, but 
> doing so would involve another learning curve I'm not sure I'm willing to 
> experience, since Mailman serves our purposes quite well and has done since I 
> took over, with the occasional hiccup.
> 
> Note that this is not list policy I'm talking about, but rather my personal 
> preference. I'm willing to take into consideration arguments for and against 
> the ability to experience pink 36pt fonts for the PDML.
> 
> 
> On 5/9/16 11:11 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>> already done... no go
>> 
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
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>> 
>> On 9 May 2016 18:00:17 Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> By the way: If someone could try sending HTML email to The List to see
>>> if it gets through it would be most helpful.
>>> 
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Re: HTML testing

2016-05-09 Thread Matthew Hunt 
On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 4:56 PM, John  wrote:

> Isn't there some old engineering proverb that goes something like "If it
> ain't broke, don't fix it" ?

Dropping HTML email without notifying the user of the problem is
broken. I'm glad to see an effort to fix it, whether the solution is
sending HTML to the list, stripping the formatting, or sending an
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Re: HTML testing

2016-05-09 Thread John 

Isn't there some old engineering proverb that goes something like "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it" ?

On 5/9/2016 11:47 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:

Looking into it in more depth reveals that allowing HTML through Mailman
(our list software) entails suspending content filtering, which then
allows file attachments through. I am hesitant to remove the filtering,
imagining all sorts of trouble with attachments, not least of which
would be the open invitation to send malicious content.

It is of course possible to migrate to a more HTML-friendly software,
but doing so would involve another learning curve I'm not sure I'm
willing to experience, since Mailman serves our purposes quite well and
has done since I took over, with the occasional hiccup.

Note that this is not list policy I'm talking about, but rather my
personal preference. I'm willing to take into consideration arguments
for and against the ability to experience pink 36pt fonts for the PDML.


On 5/9/16 11:11 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

already done... no go

Sent with AquaMail for Android
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On 9 May 2016 18:00:17 Mark Roberts  wrote:



By the way: If someone could try sending HTML email to The List to see
if it gets through it would be most helpful.

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Re: HTML testing

2016-05-09 Thread Bob W-PDML 
On 9 May 2016, at 16:49, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
> 
> Note that this is not list policy I'm talking about, but rather my personal 
> preference. I'm willing to take into consideration arguments for and against 
> the ability to experience pink 36pt fonts for the PDML.

Well, it would encourage more Japanese schoolgirls onto the list, that's for 
sure. But I think we probably have enough already.

http://kotaku.com/this-is-just-a-middle-aged-man-dressed-as-a-japanese-sc-479226302

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Re: HTML testing

2016-05-09 Thread Boris Liberman 
I'm perfectly fine with any arrangement. If we go HTML, I'll be able to get 
rid of special mailer that I have on my cell phone, because GMail default 
client on android cannot send plain text.


Otherwise, my life won't change either way :-).

Just sayin'...

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On 9 May 2016 18:48:59 Doug Brewer  wrote:


Looking into it in more depth reveals that allowing HTML through Mailman
(our list software) entails suspending content filtering, which then
allows file attachments through. I am hesitant to remove the filtering,
imagining all sorts of trouble with attachments, not least of which
would be the open invitation to send malicious content.

It is of course possible to migrate to a more HTML-friendly software,
but doing so would involve another learning curve I'm not sure I'm
willing to experience, since Mailman serves our purposes quite well and
has done since I took over, with the occasional hiccup.

Note that this is not list policy I'm talking about, but rather my
personal preference. I'm willing to take into consideration arguments
for and against the ability to experience pink 36pt fonts for the PDML.


On 5/9/16 11:11 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

already done... no go

Sent with AquaMail for Android
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On 9 May 2016 18:00:17 Mark Roberts  wrote:



By the way: If someone could try sending HTML email to The List to see
if it gets through it would be most helpful.

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Re: HTML testing

2016-05-09 Thread Doug Brewer 
Looking into it in more depth reveals that allowing HTML through Mailman 
(our list software) entails suspending content filtering, which then 
allows file attachments through. I am hesitant to remove the filtering, 
imagining all sorts of trouble with attachments, not least of which 
would be the open invitation to send malicious content.


It is of course possible to migrate to a more HTML-friendly software, 
but doing so would involve another learning curve I'm not sure I'm 
willing to experience, since Mailman serves our purposes quite well and 
has done since I took over, with the occasional hiccup.


Note that this is not list policy I'm talking about, but rather my 
personal preference. I'm willing to take into consideration arguments 
for and against the ability to experience pink 36pt fonts for the PDML.



On 5/9/16 11:11 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

already done... no go

Sent with AquaMail for Android
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On 9 May 2016 18:00:17 Mark Roberts  wrote:



By the way: If someone could try sending HTML email to The List to see
if it gets through it would be most helpful.

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Re: HTML testing

2016-05-09 Thread Boris Liberman 

already done... no go

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On 9 May 2016 18:00:17 Mark Roberts  wrote:



By the way: If someone could try sending HTML email to The List to see
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Re: HTML testing

2016-05-09 Thread Mark Roberts 

By the way: If someone could try sending HTML email to The List to see
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Re: HTML testing

2016-05-09 Thread Larry Colen 



Roberts, Mark wrote:


From: PDML [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] on behalf of Larry Colen [l...@red4est.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2016 10:11 PM
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Subject: Re: HTML testing

Doug Brewer wrote:

Hi, kids, we're just checking to see if formatted text will now come
through to the PDML.

Carry on as if nothing has happened. Do not adjust your sets. We are in
control.


I'm always learning new and interesting things on this list, for example
this usage of the phrase "in control".

Everything's variable.


Constants aren't, variables won't.





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RE: HTML testing

2016-05-08 Thread mike wilson 
> On 09 May 2016 at 03:17 "Roberts, Mark" <mrobe...@lasell.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: PDML [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] on behalf of Larry Colen [l...@red4est.com]
> Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2016 10:11 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: HTML testing
> 
> Doug Brewer wrote:
> > Hi, kids, we're just checking to see if formatted text will now come
> > through to the PDML.
> >
> > Carry on as if nothing has happened. Do not adjust your sets. We are in
> > control.
> 
> I'm always learning new and interesting things on this list, for example
> this usage of the phrase "in control".
> 
> Everything's variable.

Hmmm.  Arrows on Doug's post but not on Larry or Mark's.  This could get (even
more) confusing.

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Re: HTML testing

2016-05-08 Thread Philip Northeast 

Mark!  "We are in control"

Now that is a worry.

Philip Northeast

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On 9/05/2016 12:03 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:

Hi, kids, we're just checking to see if formatted text will now come
through to the PDML.

Carry on as if nothing has happened. Do not adjust your sets. We are in
control.

Thanks




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RE: HTML testing

2016-05-08 Thread Roberts, Mark 


From: PDML [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] on behalf of Larry Colen [l...@red4est.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2016 10:11 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: HTML testing

Doug Brewer wrote:
> Hi, kids, we're just checking to see if formatted text will now come
> through to the PDML.
>
> Carry on as if nothing has happened. Do not adjust your sets. We are in
> control.

I'm always learning new and interesting things on this list, for example
this usage of the phrase "in control".

Everything's variable.

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Re: HTML testing

2016-05-08 Thread Larry Colen 



Doug Brewer wrote:

Hi, kids, we're just checking to see if formatted text will now come
through to the PDML.

Carry on as if nothing has happened. Do not adjust your sets. We are in
control.


I'm always learning new and interesting things on this list, for example 
this usage of the phrase "in control".




Thanks




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HTML testing

2016-05-08 Thread Doug Brewer 
Hi, kids, we're just checking to see if formatted text will now come 
through to the PDML.


Carry on as if nothing has happened. Do not adjust your sets. We are in 
control.


Thanks


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