Re: OT: Help with Video Problems for Non-Profit

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

I have an account somewhere (if I can find the info.)

Hey, thanks!

On 10/26/2017 3:26 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I think that an older version of Premier Pro,  (CS2 era), from Adobe is
available the same way that Photoshop CS2 is available, "free" for users
who've paid the licensee fee, with a public key, because they managed to
delete the registration server,  and didn't want to bother recreating
the registration server for a product so few people were still using.

The only fly in Adobe's ointment is that they haven't changed the EULA
which reads in part, that if you download the software from their
server, and obtain a key from them, your copy is legal, the EULA doesn't
mention anything about payment IIRC.

All it takes is to have a free Adobe account, which gives access to the
download and the key.  That might be worth doing if all you want is to
do a couple of simple edits.


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Re: OT: Help with Video Problems for Non-Profit

[P. J. Alling]

I think that an older version of Premier Pro,  (CS2 era), from Adobe is 
available the same way that Photoshop CS2 is available, "free" for users 
who've paid the licensee fee, with a public key, because they managed to 
delete the registration server,  and didn't want to bother recreating 
the registration server for a product so few people were still using.


The only fly in Adobe's ointment is that they haven't changed the EULA 
which reads in part, that if you download the software from their 
server, and obtain a key from them, your copy is legal, the EULA doesn't 
mention anything about payment IIRC.


All it takes is to have a free Adobe account, which gives access to the 
download and the key.  That might be worth doing if all you want is to 
do a couple of simple edits.




On 10/26/2017 2:23 PM, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:

Then it must have been a MP4 that I edited about 5 years ago.

Trouble is, I have a sneaking suspicion I downloaded editing software 
that was good for a month trail run (before it expired) to edit frame 
by frame a videotape of Bill McKibben (who once spoke at our church).


Because I definitely remember doing that when I cut off the 
introduction and and the Q at the end. I remember not only editing 
the picture part frame by frame, but the audio part too with a pretty 
decent basic editor. Not that I did any fancy editing, just cutting 
things off having them sync well enough. Maybe I can find it again.


I haven't really opened Windows Movie Maker for years, I know I used 
it for the titles, but maybe not much more than that. We shall see.


Marnie aka Doe    Hey, stills are  my thing, not videos. Heh.

On 10/25/2017 1:25 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 25/10/17, Marnie (aka Doe), discombobulated, unleashed:


I guess I should add I used Video Premier Elements 11 to edit a MP3
about 5 years ago. Another speaker. But it was just adding a title
screen, and "the end," and cutting off the Q at the end.

Mp3 is an audio export format - it cannot contain video.

Mp4 is a video compression container (for video and audio export). 
Variations are also also used by many camera manufacturers as a way 
of compressing video ready to be 'uncompressed' into it's full glory 
for editing. You shouldn't be editing Mp4 files - they need to be 
unwrapped into a format suitable for the editing software first.




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Re: OT: Help with Video Problems for Non-Profit

[Steve Cottrell]

On 26/10/17, Marnie (aka Doe), discombobulated, unleashed:

>I may still take you up on it, if she has problems stitching the two 
>together. And if I have problems doing it, if she refers it to me.

Sure go for it

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Re: OT: Help with Video Problems for Non-Profit

[Darren Addy]

Marnie,
In Sept. of 2011 we had a conversation about making DVDs and I
recommended Sony Movie Studio software to you (bang for the buck).
You may have downloaded a trial version of that?
You can still download trial versions of their software, which may
allow you to get a project done within the trial period.
I would recommend the Movie Studio SUITE. It contains several
programs. The two that may be of greatest use to you are Movie Studio
(for video editing) and DVD Architect (for burning your video to DVD):
http://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/trial-versions/

Hope this helps.

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:
> Well, these days every body and their brother (or sister) thinks they are
> photographers and video photographers... with their cell phones.
>
> Marnie aka Doe ;-)
>
> On 10/26/2017 8:45 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>
>> Just because you shouldn't do something doesn't mean that people don't
>> do it...
>
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Re: OT: Help with Video Problems for Non-Profit

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

Well, these days every body and their brother (or sister) thinks they 
are photographers and video photographers... with their cell phones.


Marnie aka Doe ;-)

On 10/26/2017 8:45 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

Just because you shouldn't do something doesn't mean that people don't
do it...


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Re: OT: Help with Video Problems for Non-Profit

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

Then it must have been a MP4 that I edited about 5 years ago.

Trouble is, I have a sneaking suspicion I downloaded editing software 
that was good for a month trail run (before it expired) to edit frame by 
frame a videotape of Bill McKibben (who once spoke at our church).


Because I definitely remember doing that when I cut off the introduction 
and and the Q at the end. I remember not only editing the picture part 
frame by frame, but the audio part too with a pretty decent basic 
editor. Not that I did any fancy editing, just cutting things off having 
them sync well enough. Maybe I can find it again.


I haven't really opened Windows Movie Maker for years, I know I used it 
for the titles, but maybe not much more than that. We shall see.


Marnie aka DoeHey, stills are  my thing, not videos. Heh.

On 10/25/2017 1:25 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 25/10/17, Marnie (aka Doe), discombobulated, unleashed:


I guess I should add I used Video Premier Elements 11 to edit a MP3
about 5 years ago. Another speaker. But it was just adding a title
screen, and "the end," and cutting off the Q at the end.

Mp3 is an audio export format - it cannot contain video.

Mp4 is a video compression container (for video and audio export). Variations 
are also also used by many camera manufacturers as a way of compressing video 
ready to be 'uncompressed' into it's full glory for editing. You shouldn't be 
editing Mp4 files - they need to be unwrapped into a format suitable for the 
editing software first.


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Re: OT: Help with Video Problems for Non-Profit

[Darren Addy]

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Video+Premier+Elements+11


On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:
> Hey, thanks Cotty!
>
> If you see my later post you will see that it was actually two videos (which
> really explains the change in orientation 1/2 through).
>
> And that she re-imported and the orientation is fine. As a former computer
> programmer/consultant, my take on things is usually, if all else fails,
> REBOOT! Same idea, redo, re-import.
>
> (Actually, by posting to PDML I was hoping for a response from you in
> particular. ;-))
>
> I may still take you up on it, if she has problems stitching the two
> together. And if I have problems doing it, if she refers it to me.
>
> She was filling in for someone who normally does it. But I will definitely
> tell her to lock the orientation first next time, if there is a next time.
>
> And you cleared up for me some things re MP4.
>
> Marnie aka Doe :-)
>
> On 10/25/2017 1:19 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>>
>> If you want to WeTransfer me the footage I can have a look for you, God
>> help me.
>>
>> By return I can either A) WeTransfer you back the footage corrected, or B)
>> suggest a good course on disemboweling vertical video shooters.
>
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Re: OT: Help with Video Problems for Non-Profit

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

Hey, thanks Cotty!

If you see my later post you will see that it was actually two videos 
(which really explains the change in orientation 1/2 through).


And that she re-imported and the orientation is fine. As a former 
computer programmer/consultant, my take on things is usually, if all 
else fails, REBOOT! Same idea, redo, re-import.


(Actually, by posting to PDML I was hoping for a response from you in 
particular. ;-))


I may still take you up on it, if she has problems stitching the two 
together. And if I have problems doing it, if she refers it to me.


She was filling in for someone who normally does it. But I will 
definitely tell her to lock the orientation first next time, if there is 
a next time.


And you cleared up for me some things re MP4.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 10/25/2017 1:19 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

If you want to WeTransfer me the footage I can have a look for you, God help me.

By return I can either A) WeTransfer you back the footage corrected, or B) 
suggest a good course on disemboweling vertical video shooters.


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Re: OT: Help with Video Problems for Non-Profit

[P. J. Alling]

Just because you shouldn't do something doesn't mean that people don't 
do it...



On 10/25/2017 4:25 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 25/10/17, Marnie (aka Doe), discombobulated, unleashed:


I guess I should add I used Video Premier Elements 11 to edit a MP3
about 5 years ago. Another speaker. But it was just adding a title
screen, and "the end," and cutting off the Q at the end.

Mp3 is an audio export format - it cannot contain video.

Mp4 is a video compression container (for video and audio export). Variations 
are also also used by many camera manufacturers as a way of compressing video 
ready to be 'uncompressed' into it's full glory for editing. You shouldn't be 
editing Mp4 files - they need to be unwrapped into a format suitable for the 
editing software first.



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Re: OT: Help with Video Problems for Non-Profit

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

Nevermind. I had suggested to her that re-importing might fix the 
orientation problem.


So she did it on her Mac at home and the orientation is now correct.

I think she felt guilty because the phone stopped recording at the event 
for a few minutes before she noticed it and restarted it. So I think she 
felt she might have caused the problem.


So it seems there are two files. I am capable of stitching them together 
if she can't figure it out.


I am a PC person, but I had suggested to her that a MAC imort might work 
better, just based on things I've read on this list. :-)


Thanks, Later, Marnie aka Doe

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Re: OT: Help with Video Problems for Non-Profit

[John]

There are a bunch of Adobe Premier Elements tutorials on YouTube.

On 10/25/2017 11:13, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

If it’s a video editor, it has to be able to produce MPEG4 files. MPEG3 files 
are sound only.

I don’t know anything about this particular software package. However, the 
technique to correct the orientation is simple:

- Split the video into two clips at the point where the orientation switches.
- Apply a rotation transformation to the rotated clip so that it’s in the 
correct orientation.
- Join the two clips back together and render a new corrected video export.

Ninety degree orientation transforms (and multiples of ninety degrees) are 
generally lossless since they’re just a matter of tweaking the parameters in 
the track to a different display value for the image raster. Doing a transform 
to any other value requires recalculation of the frames.

Look up the help information for the software you’re using to see how to make 
this happen. :-)

G


On Oct 25, 2017, at 7:53 AM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:

Okay, I am basically video clueless.

I have Video Premier Elements 11 on my computer. I am not sure it will do mp4, 
I know it will do mp3. I have a Lenovo PC.

Last Tuesday we had a speaker for my church's environmental group. This was 
co-sponsored by various other local groups.

A woman from the local Peace Center used her cell to video tape the talk. One 
of our group's members' husband helped her import the video to computer. I do 
not KNOW how he did it, what software he used.

It seems half way through the video the orientation changes from landscape to 
portrait. I saw her tape it, the cell was on a stand. I do not know if she 
accidentally changed the orientation while taping. It's possible, you know how 
sensitive cell phone are to that. It is possible during importing the 
orientation was changed.

I am not the only one clueless here.

She says her computer is a HP laptop and the phone is Sansung S4 and the file 
is a MP4.

Questions:

1. Is there a way to change the orientation 1/2 through on the existing MP4? 
Maybe using Elements Video Premier 11? Or something else?
2. Would it be better to re-import it?
3. If so, is there a way to change the orientation 1/2 way through, if the 
orientation was wrong on the phone to begin with?

Assume no more money will be spent on this. It needs to be the software we have 
or free software.

I think the fact the orientation changes 1/2 through is the major problem.

Any help you can offer would be appreciated.

Marnie aka Doe




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Re: OT: Help with Video Problems for Non-Profit

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On 25/10/17, Marnie (aka Doe), discombobulated, unleashed:

>I guess I should add I used Video Premier Elements 11 to edit a MP3 
>about 5 years ago. Another speaker. But it was just adding a title 
>screen, and "the end," and cutting off the Q at the end.

Mp3 is an audio export format - it cannot contain video.

Mp4 is a video compression container (for video and audio export). Variations 
are also also used by many camera manufacturers as a way of compressing video 
ready to be 'uncompressed' into it's full glory for editing. You shouldn't be 
editing Mp4 files - they need to be unwrapped into a format suitable for the 
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Re: OT: Help with Video Problems for Non-Profit

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On 25/10/17, Marnie (aka Doe), discombobulated, unleashed:

>Okay, I am basically video clueless.

That makes 2 of us.

>I have Video Premier Elements 11 on my computer. I am not sure it will 
>do mp4, I know it will do mp3. I have a Lenovo PC.

'Do' Mp4?? Mp4 is basically an export codec, for exporting compressed video 
files to (say) the web. You shouldn't be editing Mp4 files.

>A woman from the local Peace Center used her cell to video tape the 
>talk. One of our group's members' husband helped her import the video to 
>computer. I do not KNOW how he did it, what software he used.

This sounds bad. I would be considering violence here

>It seems half way through the video the orientation changes from 
>landscape to portrait.



>I saw her tape it, the cell was on a stand. I do 
>not know if she accidentally changed the orientation while taping. It's 
>possible, you know how sensitive cell phone are to that. It is possible 
>during importing the orientation was changed.

Cel phones have an orientation sensor that detects which way the phone is 
positioned, unless it is 'locked' to prohibit it from changing during use.

>I am not the only one clueless here.

Prayer would be useful past this point.

>She says her computer is a HP laptop and the phone is Sansung S4 and the 
>file is a MP4.

Remember I said Mp4 files were for exporting video? They can also be used by 
cameras (even in a phone) to compress the footage. Full HD video takes up a LOT 
of space in the raw...

>Questions:
>
>1. Is there a way to change the orientation 1/2 through on the existing 
>MP4? Maybe using Elements Video Premier 11? Or something else?

The problem is when you say 'change the orientation'. Do you mean that the 
first half of the video is 'normal' widescreen landscape format, and then by 
the Hand of God it changes so that the image is rotated through 90 degrees? Eg 
if you view the footage, to make it appear 'upright' you have to turn the 
computer monitor onto its side? Or is it that at the point where it changes, 
the normal widescreen landscape footage changes to a vertical presentation with 
large areas of black nothingness either side?

(Either is very bad and you are basically screwed)

>2. Would it be better to re-import it?

It would be better (and kinder) to disembowel the person who shot the video.

>3. If so, is there a way to change the orientation 1/2 way through, if 
>the orientation was wrong on the phone to begin with?

It all depends. I'm not clear on the 2nd half footage. You say the orientation 
changes, but is it changed so that the video is effectively 'vertical', like 
looking through books on a bookshelf to the rest of the library beyond? Or is 
the image simply chenged through 90 degrees with the image still in widescreen 
video?? If the latter, easy to fix. If the former, not a chance. Disembowelment 
the only option.

>Assume no more money will be spent on this. It needs to be the software 
>we have or free software.

When I said an easy fix..

>I think the fact the orientation changes 1/2 through is the major problem.

Correctly identified!

>Any help you can offer would be appreciated.

If you want to WeTransfer me the footage I can have a look for you, God help me.

By return I can either A) WeTransfer you back the footage corrected, or B) 
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Re: OT: Help with Video Problems for Non-Profit

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

I guess I should add I used Video Premier Elements 11 to edit a MP3 
about 5 years ago. Another speaker. But it was just adding a title 
screen, and "the end," and cutting off the Q at the end.


On the other hand, I am not sure I didn't use Movie Maker or something 
else. I need to refresh my memory on that. I know I used Windows Movie 
Maker to make my own video of stills, for a family history video.


It's not like I've done no video editing at all. But very, very basic.

Marnie aka Doe

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Re: OT: Help with Video Problems for Non-Profit

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

If it’s a video editor, it has to be able to produce MPEG4 files. MPEG3 files 
are sound only. 

I don’t know anything about this particular software package. However, the 
technique to correct the orientation is simple: 

- Split the video into two clips at the point where the orientation switches. 
- Apply a rotation transformation to the rotated clip so that it’s in the 
correct orientation.
- Join the two clips back together and render a new corrected video export.

Ninety degree orientation transforms (and multiples of ninety degrees) are 
generally lossless since they’re just a matter of tweaking the parameters in 
the track to a different display value for the image raster. Doing a transform 
to any other value requires recalculation of the frames. 

Look up the help information for the software you’re using to see how to make 
this happen. :-)

G

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 7:53 AM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:
> 
> Okay, I am basically video clueless.
> 
> I have Video Premier Elements 11 on my computer. I am not sure it will do 
> mp4, I know it will do mp3. I have a Lenovo PC.
> 
> Last Tuesday we had a speaker for my church's environmental group. This was 
> co-sponsored by various other local groups.
> 
> A woman from the local Peace Center used her cell to video tape the talk. One 
> of our group's members' husband helped her import the video to computer. I do 
> not KNOW how he did it, what software he used.
> 
> It seems half way through the video the orientation changes from landscape to 
> portrait. I saw her tape it, the cell was on a stand. I do not know if she 
> accidentally changed the orientation while taping. It's possible, you know 
> how sensitive cell phone are to that. It is possible during importing the 
> orientation was changed.
> 
> I am not the only one clueless here.
> 
> She says her computer is a HP laptop and the phone is Sansung S4 and the file 
> is a MP4.
> 
> Questions:
> 
> 1. Is there a way to change the orientation 1/2 through on the existing MP4? 
> Maybe using Elements Video Premier 11? Or something else?
> 2. Would it be better to re-import it?
> 3. If so, is there a way to change the orientation 1/2 way through, if the 
> orientation was wrong on the phone to begin with?
> 
> Assume no more money will be spent on this. It needs to be the software we 
> have or free software.
> 
> I think the fact the orientation changes 1/2 through is the major problem.
> 
> Any help you can offer would be appreciated.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe
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OT: Help with Video Problems for Non-Profit

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

Okay, I am basically video clueless.

I have Video Premier Elements 11 on my computer. I am not sure it will 
do mp4, I know it will do mp3. I have a Lenovo PC.


Last Tuesday we had a speaker for my church's environmental group. This 
was co-sponsored by various other local groups.


A woman from the local Peace Center used her cell to video tape the 
talk. One of our group's members' husband helped her import the video to 
computer. I do not KNOW how he did it, what software he used.


It seems half way through the video the orientation changes from 
landscape to portrait. I saw her tape it, the cell was on a stand. I do 
not know if she accidentally changed the orientation while taping. It's 
possible, you know how sensitive cell phone are to that. It is possible 
during importing the orientation was changed.


I am not the only one clueless here.

She says her computer is a HP laptop and the phone is Sansung S4 and the 
file is a MP4.


Questions:

1. Is there a way to change the orientation 1/2 through on the existing 
MP4? Maybe using Elements Video Premier 11? Or something else?

2. Would it be better to re-import it?
3. If so, is there a way to change the orientation 1/2 way through, if 
the orientation was wrong on the phone to begin with?


Assume no more money will be spent on this. It needs to be the software 
we have or free software.


I think the fact the orientation changes 1/2 through is the major problem.

Any help you can offer would be appreciated.

Marnie aka Doe

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