Re: OT: Species of Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds

[John Francis]

(I finally got round to cleaning out my mailbox, and I ran into this thread)

I pretty much agree with what Ann said (including the stupid "incredible")
iMind you, when I got to the "Waterfowl" section I found myself thinking of
Steve McQueen and his baseball (and couldn't get rid of the Bernstein earworm).

Coincidentally in the last week Microsoft decided to feature the Blue-Footed
Booby as the lock screen first on her machine then, a few days later, on mine.
This prompted me to comment that I didn't know why Microsoft thought I wanted
to look at pictures of Boobys ...


On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 09:37:19AM -0500, ann sanfedele wrote:
> I have to agree with Mike..and I love those bird names! - they are funny and
> sometimes very sweet and/or rightly descriptive . and remember, these
> mentioned are just the ENGLISH language version of the birds common names,
> i.e., nicknames.. Not their actual zoological species names in most cases.
> (note to that twitter poster.. ugh)
> 
> I was kind of annoyed by the headline on Twisted Sifter "Species of Birds
> Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds is a Thing and It?s Incredible"
> (it's the "incredible" that really got to me)
> 
> Much funnier (IMHO) and enjoyable are the two books by John, Ben and
> Catheryn Sill who love birds but have invented a variety of species and
> illustrated them in " A field Guide to LIttle Known and Seldom Seen birds of
> North America." I've got the original paperbacks from 1988 and 1990..but
> there is a 2013 volume with a new not as cute cover on Amazon as well.? Lots
> of used copies all over the internet, at least on this side of the pond..
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/13/2021 6:01 AM, mike wilson wrote:
> > > On 12 February 2021 at 22:23 "Daniel J. Matyola"  
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > https://twistedsifter.com/2021/02/funny-bird-species-names-compilation/
> > > 
> > Quite the opposite in most cases.  Some (e.g. Smew) are onomatopoeic 
> > versions of the bid's call.  Others (troglodyte mignon) refer to behaviour 
> > or (horned screamer) are purely descriptive.  The only one that may be 
> > slightly unkind is the (Blue footed - there are others) Booby.  This is 
> > related to the albatross, spends minimal time earthbound and is therefore 
> > not the most agile of animals on its feet.  But that assumes a late 20th 
> > century useage of the term, which may not be correct.
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Re: OT: Species of Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds

[Daniel J. Matyola]

True, Dat.

Dan Matyola

On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 3:44 PM John  wrote:

> I think it technically just means someone who lives in a cave; aka a "cave
> man".
>
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Re: OT: Species of Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds

[John]

I think it technically just means someone who lives in a cave; aka a "cave man".

On 2/13/2021 09:39:17, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

To me, mignon means small, as in filet mignon.  Troglodyte means "a person
characterized by reclusive habits or outmoded or reactionary attitudes."

Dan Matyola

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 6:14 AM mike wilson  wrote:




On 13 February 2021 at 11:08 Bob Pdml  wrote:


The word mignon, in troglodyte mignon, is often used to describe cute

kids. It means things like charming, pretty, likeable...



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Re: OT: Species of Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I apologize for calling England an island, Bob.  My bad;  I certainly know
better.
I agree with everything you just said.

Dan Matyola




On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 2:19 PM Bob Pdml  wrote:

> > On 13 Feb 2021, at 18:21, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
> >
> > I hope England survives and thrives as an isolated island after Brexit,
> but
>
> I’m sure England will be fine, but it’s not an island, and the other
> people who share the island of Great Britain get upset when we the English,
> as well as other people, treat the whole place as England...
>
> > I also hope the Scots leave and rejoin the EU and the Northern
> > Irish finally give up and join the Republic.   The question of where the
> > border is remains a thorny one for the UK and the EU.  It is hard to see
> > how every side can be accommodated.
>
> Everybody knows where the border is, that’s not at issue. The question was
> at what point, and at which border, should various controls take place and
> that has been settled.
>
> I hope the Scots get another opportunity soon to decide their future.
>
> I also think that Ireland should never have been partitioned and hope for
> a peacefully united Ireland at some time, if that is what the Irish people
> as a whole want, and if it can be achieved without a civil war.
>
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Re: OT: Species of Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds

[mike wilson]

Its binomial name (here) is.  Troglodytes troglodytes.  There are about 30 
subspecies, many of them endemic to islands, such as the Corsican and St Kilda 
wrens.  They all have triple-barrelled names.  There is about the same number 
of fully seperate species in the New World.

> On 13 February 2021 at 15:37 Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> 
> The wren picture is from a French website. Troglodyte is simply the French 
> for wren. It really means a cave-dweller, the meaning you give is secondary 
> to that (when we were children living in Anglesey we called the local people 
> trogs). The French version of the wren apparently lives in small holes.
> 
> After I sent my original reply it occurred to me that the (British) English 
> equivalent of mignon would be sweet, as in ‘what a sweet little child’. 
> 
> Etymologically it is from an Old High German word ‘minnia’ meaning love 
> (https://fr.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/mignon). 
> 
> 
> > On 13 Feb 2021, at 14:39, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> > 
> > To me, mignon means small, as in filet mignon.  Troglodyte means "a person
> > characterized by reclusive habits or outmoded or reactionary attitudes."
> > 
> > Dan Matyola
> > 
> >> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 6:14 AM mike wilson  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
>  On 13 February 2021 at 11:08 Bob Pdml  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> The word mignon, in troglodyte mignon, is often used to describe cute
> >> kids. It means things like charming, pretty, likeable...
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: OT: Species of Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds

[mike wilson]

Looks like we are seperated not only by geography and a common language.  8 
-)
> On 13 February 2021 at 13:42 "Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks, Mike and Bob, for your interesting and informative comments.  I
> appreciate them all, and much of that I knew already.
> 
> The article, and my posting of it was intended solely as humor.
> 
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Re: OT: Species of Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds

[Bob Pdml]

> On 13 Feb 2021, at 18:21, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> I hope England survives and thrives as an isolated island after Brexit, but

I’m sure England will be fine, but it’s not an island, and the other people who 
share the island of Great Britain get upset when we the English, as well as 
other people, treat the whole place as England...

> I also hope the Scots leave and rejoin the EU and the Northern
> Irish finally give up and join the Republic.   The question of where the
> border is remains a thorny one for the UK and the EU.  It is hard to see
> how every side can be accommodated.

Everybody knows where the border is, that’s not at issue. The question was at 
what point, and at which border, should various controls take place and that 
has been settled.

I hope the Scots get another opportunity soon to decide their future. 

I also think that Ireland should never have been partitioned and hope for a 
peacefully united Ireland at some time, if that is what the Irish people as a 
whole want, and if it can be achieved without a civil war.


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Re: OT: Species of Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds

[Daniel J. Matyola]

You know, some of our founding fathers wanted to make German the language
of the American government, instead of English.  The area I live in was
settled first by the Native Americans, then by Swedes, then by Dutch, and
then by German refugees.  The English Army threw the Dutch out of New
Netherlands by force, as the English were wont to do.

I hope England survives and thrives as an isolated island after Brexit, but
I also hope the Scots leave and rejoin the EU and the Northern
Irish finally give up and join the Republic.   The question of where the
border is remains a thorny one for the UK and the EU.  It is hard to see
how every side can be accommodated.

Dan Matyola

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 1:10 PM mike wilson  wrote:

> Looks like we are seperated not only by geography and a common
> language.  8 -)
> > On 13 February 2021 at 13:42 "Daniel J. Matyola" 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Mike and Bob, for your interesting and informative comments.  I
> > appreciate them all, and much of that I knew already.
> >
> > The article, and my posting of it was intended solely as humor.
> >
> > Dan Matyola
>
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Re: OT: Species of Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds

[mike wilson]

> On 13 February 2021 at 11:16 Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 13 Feb 2021, at 11:14, mike wilson  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> On 13 February 2021 at 11:08 Bob Pdml  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> The word mignon, in troglodyte mignon, is often used to describe cute 
> >> kids. It means things like charming, pretty, likeable...
> > 
> > And the bird (Common Wren) is one of the commonest birds in the UK but, at 
> > the same time, is so secretive that it is rarely seen.  It does make a lot 
> > of noise, though.  So a perfect descriptor.
> 
> My parents’ garden attracted a lot of birds and I often used to see wrens 
> there. I see quite a few round here too. They’re one of my favourites. 

The ones in our garden are occasionally visible, as they flit from one clump of 
vegetation to another.  Even more rarely they will perch somewhere obvious and 
shreik defiance at the world, before going back into hiding and carrying on 
being noisy from there.  They are highly amusing.
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Re: OT: Species of Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds

[Bob Pdml]

The wren picture is from a French website. Troglodyte is simply the French for 
wren. It really means a cave-dweller, the meaning you give is secondary to that 
(when we were children living in Anglesey we called the local people trogs). 
The French version of the wren apparently lives in small holes.

After I sent my original reply it occurred to me that the (British) English 
equivalent of mignon would be sweet, as in ‘what a sweet little child’. 

Etymologically it is from an Old High German word ‘minnia’ meaning love 
(https://fr.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/mignon). 


> On 13 Feb 2021, at 14:39, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> To me, mignon means small, as in filet mignon.  Troglodyte means "a person
> characterized by reclusive habits or outmoded or reactionary attitudes."
> 
> Dan Matyola
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 6:14 AM mike wilson  wrote:
>> 
>> 
 On 13 February 2021 at 11:08 Bob Pdml  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The word mignon, in troglodyte mignon, is often used to describe cute
>> kids. It means things like charming, pretty, likeable...
>> 
>> 
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Re: OT: Species of Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds

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> On 13 February 2021 at 11:08 Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> 
> The word mignon, in troglodyte mignon, is often used to describe cute kids. 
> It means things like charming, pretty, likeable...

And the bird (Common Wren) is one of the commonest birds in the UK but, at the 
same time, is so secretive that it is rarely seen.  It does make a lot of 
noise, though.  So a perfect descriptor.

> 
> > On 13 Feb 2021, at 11:01, mike wilson  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> On 12 February 2021 at 22:23 "Daniel J. Matyola"  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> https://twistedsifter.com/2021/02/funny-bird-species-names-compilation/
> >> 
> > 
> > Quite the opposite in most cases.  Some (e.g. Smew) are onomatopoeic 
> > versions of the bid's call.  Others (troglodyte mignon) refer to behaviour 
> > or (horned screamer) are purely descriptive.  The only one that may be 
> > slightly unkind is the (Blue footed - there are others) Booby.  This is 
> > related to the albatross, spends minimal time earthbound and is therefore 
> > not the most agile of animals on its feet.  But that assumes a late 20th 
> > century useage of the term, which may not be correct.
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Re: OT: Species of Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds

[mike wilson]

> On 12 February 2021 at 22:23 "Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://twistedsifter.com/2021/02/funny-bird-species-names-compilation/
> 

Quite the opposite in most cases.  Some (e.g. Smew) are onomatopoeic versions 
of the bid's call.  Others (troglodyte mignon) refer to behaviour or (horned 
screamer) are purely descriptive.  The only one that may be slightly unkind is 
the (Blue footed - there are others) Booby.  This is related to the albatross, 
spends minimal time earthbound and is therefore not the most agile of animals 
on its feet.  But that assumes a late 20th century useage of the term, which 
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Re: OT: Species of Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds

[Daniel J. Matyola]

To me, mignon means small, as in filet mignon.  Troglodyte means "a person
characterized by reclusive habits or outmoded or reactionary attitudes."

Dan Matyola

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 6:14 AM mike wilson  wrote:

>
> > On 13 February 2021 at 11:08 Bob Pdml  wrote:
> >
> >
> > The word mignon, in troglodyte mignon, is often used to describe cute
> kids. It means things like charming, pretty, likeable...
>
>
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Re: OT: Species of Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds

[ann sanfedele]

I have to agree with Mike..and I love those bird names! - they are funny 
and sometimes very sweet and/or rightly descriptive . and remember, 
these mentioned are just the ENGLISH language version of the birds 
common names, i.e., nicknames.. Not their actual zoological species 
names in most cases.

(note to that twitter poster.. ugh)

I was kind of annoyed by the headline on Twisted Sifter "Species of 
Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds is a Thing and It’s Incredible"

(it's the "incredible" that really got to me)

Much funnier (IMHO) and enjoyable are the two books by John, Ben and 
Catheryn Sill who love birds but have invented a variety of species and 
illustrated them in " A field Guide to LIttle Known and Seldom Seen 
birds of North America." I've got the original paperbacks from 1988 and 
1990..but there is a 2013 volume with a new not as cute cover on Amazon 
as well.  Lots of used copies all over the internet, at least on this 
side of the pond..


ann



On 2/13/2021 6:01 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 12 February 2021 at 22:23 "Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:


https://twistedsifter.com/2021/02/funny-bird-species-names-compilation/


Quite the opposite in most cases.  Some (e.g. Smew) are onomatopoeic versions 
of the bid's call.  Others (troglodyte mignon) refer to behaviour or (horned 
screamer) are purely descriptive.  The only one that may be slightly unkind is 
the (Blue footed - there are others) Booby.  This is related to the albatross, 
spends minimal time earthbound and is therefore not the most agile of animals 
on its feet.  But that assumes a late 20th century useage of the term, which 
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Re: OT: Species of Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Mike and Bob, for your interesting and informative comments.  I
appreciate them all, and much of that I knew already.

The article, and my posting of it was intended solely as humor.

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Re: OT: Species of Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds

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On 13 Feb 2021, at 11:14, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 13 February 2021 at 11:08 Bob Pdml  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The word mignon, in troglodyte mignon, is often used to describe cute kids. 
>> It means things like charming, pretty, likeable...
> 
> And the bird (Common Wren) is one of the commonest birds in the UK but, at 
> the same time, is so secretive that it is rarely seen.  It does make a lot of 
> noise, though.  So a perfect descriptor.

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Re: OT: Species of Birds Named By People Who Clearly Hate Birds

[Bob Pdml]

The word mignon, in troglodyte mignon, is often used to describe cute kids. It 
means things like charming, pretty, likeable...

> On 13 Feb 2021, at 11:01, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 12 February 2021 at 22:23 "Daniel J. Matyola"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> https://twistedsifter.com/2021/02/funny-bird-species-names-compilation/
>> 
> 
> Quite the opposite in most cases.  Some (e.g. Smew) are onomatopoeic versions 
> of the bid's call.  Others (troglodyte mignon) refer to behaviour or (horned 
> screamer) are purely descriptive.  The only one that may be slightly unkind 
> is the (Blue footed - there are others) Booby.  This is related to the 
> albatross, spends minimal time earthbound and is therefore not the most agile 
> of animals on its feet.  But that assumes a late 20th century useage of the 
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[Daniel J. Matyola]

https://twistedsifter.com/2021/02/funny-bird-species-names-compilation/

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