Re: OT: ebay once again: would you do that?
Actually, I have bought a stolen Item on e-bay, I hadn't a clue that there was a problem and I paid a fair price for it. (In case anyone is interested I still have the lens and the legal problem was resolved by a written deposition to be used in court against the seller). I got the lens the original owner got the insurance money and the thief went to jail. I thought it worked out well for all concerned. At 11:31 PM 1/13/2003 -0600, you wrote: I actually passed on an MZ-S (new) from a Canadian source who would only take the equivalent of cash. After multiple emails I still couldn't convince myself they were legitimate. Since they could not take a credit card or PayPal, I let the deal languish. Turns out another PDML'er with less fear-of-ripoff than me got that same brand new MZ-S. The price was only about $350, which was almost too good to be true - another point that discomfited me. Well, there are a few eBay sellers I am personally convinced are fences. I'm not saying that was the case here. But if you are dealing with stolen merchandise then you can pay a low price in cash and still have the deal go through. I can never mention which of the sellers I think are not legit, but I have my suspicions and I personally would not touch them with somebody else's ten-foot pole. --Mike Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: OT: ebay once again: would you do that?
Did you have to return the camera? Len --- I actualy bought a PZ-20 or something similar off ebay for my sister and got notified a couple of weeks later by the Police that it was stolen. Regards, Paul _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: OT: ebay once again: would you do that?
There was an eBay seller that sold equipment he stole from a large camera store in Canada. I believe he was an employee. Too good to be true prices on top line cameras and lenses. The Canadian law enforcement folks were tracking down eBay buyers. I never heard how the case ended. Perhaps some of the Canadian PDML members know the detaills and will fill me in. Len --- I read some time ago that many of the too-good-to-be-true sellers are selling goods purchased from a retailer using stolen credit/debit cards, not good. Rob Studdert _ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: OT: ebay once again: would you do that?
The MZ-S that i bought for about $350us actualy came as new sealed in the box and with a receipt from a camera store so that the warranty could be claimed internationaly, Aaggghhh!! I just bought one for the equivalent of $900 and that's about as low as it gets for a new one here in Poland (I know of a camera store that *tries* to sell it for around $1300!) and I'm VERY happy. Now if only I could find a way to pay that money back... Regards, Lukasz ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczedzic na kosztach obslugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: OT: ebay once again: would you do that?
No. - Original Message - From: Leonard Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 4:31 AM Subject: Re: OT: ebay once again: would you do that? Did you have to return the camera? Len --- I actualy bought a PZ-20 or something similar off ebay for my sister and got notified a couple of weeks later by the Police that it was stolen. Regards, Paul _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
OT: ebay once again: would you do that?
I mean yould you do that: sending your credit card information to a foreign seller, who has a feedback rating of only 9 and who says this is the only paying method he is willing to accept? Probably not. And speaking about insurance (in an other ebay posting) does this protect me from a possible credit cart fraud from an ebay seller? Thanks, Alexander __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
OT: ebay once again: would you do that?
I mean yould you do that: sending your credit card information to a foreign seller, who has a feedback rating of only 9 and who says this is the only paying method he is willing to accept? Probably not. And speaking about insurance (in an other ebay posting) does this protect me from a possible credit cart fraud from an ebay seller? I've logged a modest 79 transactions on eBay, with a feedback rating of 76 positives, 0 neutrals, and 0 negatives. I was ripped off once (for $500, unfortunately), and the danger signs were there. You have to feel comfortable that you are dealing with someone who is on the up-and-up. Usually, if you see a price that is clearly too low and you can't account for that fact in your own mind, be very careful. If you have doubts, don't bite. I never deal with anyone who has a negative feedback rating of more than 2% (literally, I calculate it and do not make exceptions), and people without a generous number of feedbacks should just not be selling very expensive items. They need to build up a track record with less expensive items first. Other danger signs to look out for: people with a large gap between most of their feedback dates and now; people selling multiple expensive items at once; prices that are not just tempting but too low; pirated pictures or descriptions; people who will not communicate by e-mail (this is a big danger sign IMHO). One obvious but sometimes overlooked way of reassuring yourself is simply to ask the seller lots of questions: who are you, where do you live, how did you get the item, etc. Honest people will usually talk to you, and over the course of a back-and-forth correspondence, you can get a sense for the person's integrity. Of course it's not reasonable to expect a detailed correspondence from dealers or from large-scale sellers. In those cases, however, you can more easily rely on feedback. One nice aspect of eBay is that you can often get spectacular bargains because the seller either doesn't know what he has, or else has listed it in such a way that people who are looking for it won't find it. When I was buying my Spotmatics, for instance, I would routinely check under the search term Sportmatic. As with any kind of collecting, knowledge is key. --Mike
Re: OT: ebay once again: would you do that?
I regularly search pentex, pantax, yashika, etc. Sometimes it works, sometimes not... -frank Mike Johnston wrote: snip When I was buying my Spotmatics, for instance, I would routinely check under the search term Sportmatic. As with any kind of collecting, knowledge is key. --Mike -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: OT: ebay once again: would you do that?
On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:56:07 -0600, you wrote: I mean yould you do that: sending your credit card information to a foreign seller, who has a feedback rating of only 9 and who says this is the only paying method he is willing to accept? I actually passed on an MZ-S (new) from a Canadian source who would only take the equivalent of cash. After multiple emails I still couldn't convince myself they were legitimate. Since they could not take a credit card or PayPal, I let the deal languish. Turns out another PDML'er with less fear-of-ripoff than me got that same brand new MZ-S. The price was only about $350, which was almost too good to be true - another point that discomfited me. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com
Re: OT: ebay once again: would you do that?
Yep that was me the MZ-S for that price, it was probaly one of the more foolish online purchases i've made and i was lucky it turned out okay :) Since them i have been alot more cautious with my purchases and it was a tense couple of days waiting for the camera to arrive! Regards, Paul I mean yould you do that: sending your credit card information to a foreign seller, who has a feedback rating of only 9 and who says this is the only paying method he is willing to accept? I actually passed on an MZ-S (new) from a Canadian source who would only take the equivalent of cash. After multiple emails I still couldn't convince myself they were legitimate. Since they could not take a credit card or PayPal, I let the deal languish. Turns out another PDML'er with less fear-of-ripoff than me got that same brand new MZ-S. The price was only about $350, which was almost too good to be true - another point that discomfited me. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com
Re: OT: ebay once again: would you do that?
On 13 Jan 2003 at 23:31, Mike Johnston wrote: Well, there are a few eBay sellers I am personally convinced are fences. I'm not saying that was the case here. But if you are dealing with stolen merchandise then you can pay a low price in cash and still have the deal go through. I read some time ago that many of the too-good-to-be-true sellers are selling goods purchased from a retailer using stolen credit/debit cards, not good. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
