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I didn't read the comments regarding the taking of this image, but I agree it's the best I've seen of his work. I doubt, however, I'd have ever allowed myself to saturate the colors to that extent. Almost certainly my financial loss, in this case. Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:32 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I must admit, I really like this one. It's the best by far that I've seen of his work (admittedly I've not seen much). But OMG his description of how he took it! Gimme a break! BTW, interesting to note that Gursky's Rhine II which is the current record holder for most expensive photograph was sold on the secondary market. Gursky didn't make that money, the print's owner did. In Lik's case he was the seller so the million went into his pocket. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics A whlie back I becames aware that he had sold a photograph of his for $ 1 million. This link http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2int_new=44121 mentions it but I couldn't find an internet link to the image itself. It was a very well executed image, but $1 million ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller I hadn't heard of him until now. A look at his online gallery left me with mixed feelings, but more positive than negative. I saw some that didn't excite me but overall I thought it was pretty decent, and there were some I thought were excellent. While it looked like saturation was boosted I didn't find it excessively so in most cases. Tom C. There's an image of it here: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/01/13/australian-landscape-photographer-peter-lik-sells-photo-for-1-million/ It's a nice image but the selling price says more about the buyer than it does about the photograph. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Jack, you need to spend an evening or three viewing the Most Popular images on Flickr and 500px. That will desensitize your eyes and soon you'll be dialing-up the old saturation knob to levels you never thought possible. :-) On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: I didn't read the comments regarding the taking of this image, but I agree it's the best I've seen of his work. I doubt, however, I'd have ever allowed myself to saturate the colors to that extent. Almost certainly my financial loss, in this case. Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:32 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I must admit, I really like this one. It's the best by far that I've seen of his work (admittedly I've not seen much). But OMG his description of how he took it! Gimme a break! BTW, interesting to note that Gursky's Rhine II which is the current record holder for most expensive photograph was sold on the secondary market. Gursky didn't make that money, the print's owner did. In Lik's case he was the seller so the million went into his pocket. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics A whlie back I becames aware that he had sold a photograph of his for $ 1 million. This link http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2int_new=44121 mentions it but I couldn't find an internet link to the image itself. It was a very well executed image, but $1 million ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller I hadn't heard of him until now. A look at his online gallery left me with mixed feelings, but more positive than negative. I saw some that didn't excite me but overall I thought it was pretty decent, and there were some I thought were excellent. While it looked like saturation was boosted I didn't find it excessively so in most cases. Tom C. There's an image of it here: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/01/13/australian-landscape-photographer-peter-lik-sells-photo-for-1-million/ It's a nice image but the selling price says more about the buyer than it does about the photograph. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've already ordered a saturation knob that goes too 11. On 3/16/2012 10:55 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Jack, you need to spend an evening or three viewing the Most Popular images on Flickr and 500px. That will desensitize your eyes and soon you'll be dialing-up the old saturation knob to levels you never thought possible. :-) On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: I didn't read the comments regarding the taking of this image, but I agree it's the best I've seen of his work. I doubt, however, I'd have ever allowed myself to saturate the colors to that extent. Almost certainly my financial loss, in this case. Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.comknarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:32 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I must admit, I really like this one. It's the best by far that I've seen of his work (admittedly I've not seen much). But OMG his description of how he took it! Gimme a break! BTW, interesting to note that Gursky's Rhine II which is the current record holder for most expensive photograph was sold on the secondary market. Gursky didn't make that money, the print's owner did. In Lik's case he was the seller so the million went into his pocket. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics A whlie back I becames aware that he had sold a photograph of his for $ 1 million. This link http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2int_new=44121 mentions it but I couldn't find an internet link to the image itself. It was a very well executed image, but $1 million ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller I hadn't heard of him until now. A look at his online gallery left me with mixed feelings, but more positive than negative. I saw some that didn't excite me but overall I thought it was pretty decent, and there were some I thought were excellent. While it looked like saturation was boosted I didn't find it excessively so in most cases. Tom C. There's an image of it here: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/01/13/australian-landscape-photographer-peter-lik-sells-photo-for-1-million/ It's a nice image but the selling price says more about the buyer than it does about the photograph. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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goes to 11. Damn, I's got's to read these things before I hit send. On 3/16/2012 11:09 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: I've already ordered a saturation knob that goes too 11. On 3/16/2012 10:55 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Jack, you need to spend an evening or three viewing the Most Popular images on Flickr and 500px. That will desensitize your eyes and soon you'll be dialing-up the old saturation knob to levels you never thought possible. :-) On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: I didn't read the comments regarding the taking of this image, but I agree it's the best I've seen of his work. I doubt, however, I'd have ever allowed myself to saturate the colors to that extent. Almost certainly my financial loss, in this case. Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.comknarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:32 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I must admit, I really like this one. It's the best by far that I've seen of his work (admittedly I've not seen much). But OMG his description of how he took it! Gimme a break! BTW, interesting to note that Gursky's Rhine II which is the current record holder for most expensive photograph was sold on the secondary market. Gursky didn't make that money, the print's owner did. In Lik's case he was the seller so the million went into his pocket. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics A whlie back I becames aware that he had sold a photograph of his for $ 1 million. This link http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2int_new=44121 mentions it but I couldn't find an internet link to the image itself. It was a very well executed image, but $1 million ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller I hadn't heard of him until now. A look at his online gallery left me with mixed feelings, but more positive than negative. I saw some that didn't excite me but overall I thought it was pretty decent, and there were some I thought were excellent. While it looked like saturation was boosted I didn't find it excessively so in most cases. Tom C. There's an image of it here: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/01/13/australian-landscape-photographer-peter-lik-sells-photo-for-1-million/ It's a nice image but the selling price says more about the buyer than it does about the photograph. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I believe I've had that painful experience already. Ophthalmologists tell me my eyes MAY, eventually, recover. ;-) Jack - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 7:55 AM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Jack, you need to spend an evening or three viewing the Most Popular images on Flickr and 500px. That will desensitize your eyes and soon you'll be dialing-up the old saturation knob to levels you never thought possible. :-) On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: I didn't read the comments regarding the taking of this image, but I agree it's the best I've seen of his work. I doubt, however, I'd have ever allowed myself to saturate the colors to that extent. Almost certainly my financial loss, in this case. Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:32 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I must admit, I really like this one. It's the best by far that I've seen of his work (admittedly I've not seen much). But OMG his description of how he took it! Gimme a break! BTW, interesting to note that Gursky's Rhine II which is the current record holder for most expensive photograph was sold on the secondary market. Gursky didn't make that money, the print's owner did. In Lik's case he was the seller so the million went into his pocket. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics A whlie back I becames aware that he had sold a photograph of his for $ 1 million. This link http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2int_new=44121 mentions it but I couldn't find an internet link to the image itself. It was a very well executed image, but $1 million ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller I hadn't heard of him until now. A look at his online gallery left me with mixed feelings, but more positive than negative. I saw some that didn't excite me but overall I thought it was pretty decent, and there were some I thought were excellent. While it looked like saturation was boosted I didn't find it excessively so in most cases. Tom C. There's an image of it here: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/01/13/australian-landscape-photographer-peter-lik-sells-photo-for-1-million/ It's a nice image but the selling price says more about the buyer than it does about the photograph. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've programed in a slider stop at 3.2851. (my gag threshold) Jack - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I've already ordered a saturation knob that goes too 11. On 3/16/2012 10:55 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Jack, you need to spend an evening or three viewing the Most Popular images on Flickr and 500px. That will desensitize your eyes and soon you'll be dialing-up the old saturation knob to levels you never thought possible. :-) On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: I didn't read the comments regarding the taking of this image, but I agree it's the best I've seen of his work. I doubt, however, I'd have ever allowed myself to saturate the colors to that extent. Almost certainly my financial loss, in this case. Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.comknarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:32 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I must admit, I really like this one. It's the best by far that I've seen of his work (admittedly I've not seen much). But OMG his description of how he took it! Gimme a break! BTW, interesting to note that Gursky's Rhine II which is the current record holder for most expensive photograph was sold on the secondary market. Gursky didn't make that money, the print's owner did. In Lik's case he was the seller so the million went into his pocket. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics A whlie back I becames aware that he had sold a photograph of his for $ 1 million. This link http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2int_new=44121 mentions it but I couldn't find an internet link to the image itself. It was a very well executed image, but $1 million ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller I hadn't heard of him until now. A look at his online gallery left me with mixed feelings, but more positive than negative. I saw some that didn't excite me but overall I thought it was pretty decent, and there were some I thought were excellent. While it looked like saturation was boosted I didn't find it excessively so in most cases. Tom C. There's an image of it here: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/01/13/australian-landscape-photographer-peter-lik-sells-photo-for-1-million/ It's a nice image but the selling price says more about the buyer than it does about the photograph. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No doubt Lik would have ruined Gursky's Rhine II. Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:32 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I must admit, I really like this one. It's the best by far that I've seen of his work (admittedly I've not seen much). But OMG his description of how he took it! Gimme a break! BTW, interesting to note that Gursky's Rhine II which is the current record holder for most expensive photograph was sold on the secondary market. Gursky didn't make that money, the print's owner did. In Lik's case he was the seller so the million went into his pocket. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics A whlie back I becames aware that he had sold a photograph of his for $ 1 million. This link http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2int_new=44121 mentions it but I couldn't find an internet link to the image itself. It was a very well executed image, but $1 million ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller I hadn't heard of him until now. A look at his online gallery left me with mixed feelings, but more positive than negative. I saw some that didn't excite me but overall I thought it was pretty decent, and there were some I thought were excellent. While it looked like saturation was boosted I didn't find it excessively so in most cases. Tom C. There's an image of it here: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/01/13/australian-landscape-photographer-peter-lik-sells-photo-for-1-million/ It's a nice image but the selling price says more about the buyer than it does about the photograph. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I didn't read the comments regarding the taking of this image, but I agree it's the best I've seen of his work. I doubt, however, I'd have ever allowed myself to saturate the colors to that extent. Almost certainly my financial loss, in this case. Jack Don't sell your artistic integrity for a mess of potage, Jack! B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Creamy soup? OK! Jack ;-) - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: RE: OT - Online critics I didn't read the comments regarding the taking of this image, but I agree it's the best I've seen of his work. I doubt, however, I'd have ever allowed myself to saturate the colors to that extent. Almost certainly my financial loss, in this case. Jack Don't sell your artistic integrity for a mess of potage, Jack! B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 02:44:03PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: Have you noticed how many musicians have really crappy stereos? Two observations: o Musicians care more about the music than about the equipment o If it's not as good as live music, it really doesn't matter exactly how much worse it is - it's still only second best. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, OK then...the Peter Lik of painters? Jack - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:37 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On Mar 14, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: On 3/14/2012 18:13, Jack Davis wrote: The Kennyboy of painters. Can't be, he actually paints pictures, not just writes about paint brushes. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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wait we are getting confused... Thomas Kincade is the Kennyboy of painters Peter Lik is the obnoxious photographer ann On 3/15/2012 08:53, Jack Davis wrote: Well, OK then...the Peter Lik of painters? Jack - Original Message - From: Larry Colenl...@red4est.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:37 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On Mar 14, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: On 3/14/2012 18:13, Jack Davis wrote: The Kennyboy of painters. Can't be, he actually paints pictures, not just writes about paint brushes. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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..or vice versa. Works either way. Are you saying Kennyboy isn't, also, obnoxious? ;-) Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 7:34 AM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics wait we are getting confused... Thomas Kincade is the Kennyboy of painters Peter Lik is the obnoxious photographer ann On 3/15/2012 08:53, Jack Davis wrote: Well, OK then...the Peter Lik of painters? Jack - Original Message - From: Larry Colenl...@red4est.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:37 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On Mar 14, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: On 3/14/2012 18:13, Jack Davis wrote: The Kennyboy of painters. Can't be, he actually paints pictures, not just writes about paint brushes. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bob W How did Thomas Kinkade get into that list? And what great pictures has he painted? cheers, frank Pearls before swine! Got half of it right anyway. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Larry Colen On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote: I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the stature of the photographer. Tom C. Maybe, but how does the photographer get his stature in the first place, if all he produces is pure schmuck? Ask Peter Lik. That's cold! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I would have never thought it possible to insult Kennyboy. From: Jack Davis The Kennyboy of painters. ? Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:27 PM Subject: RE: OT - Online critics I have only one thing to say: http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/servlet/com.asucon.ebiz.home.web.tk.HomeServlet Cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: John Francis On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 02:44:03PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: Have you noticed how many musicians have really crappy stereos? Two observations: o Musicians care more about the music than about the equipment o If it's not as good as live music, it really doesn't matter exactly how much worse it is - it's still only second best. Third observation - working musicians don't often have a lot of excess disposable income to spend on stereo equipment. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Then along came Kinkade..for which I'll be forever grateful. Jack - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com To: pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:59 AM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I would have never thought it possible to insult Kennyboy. From: Jack Davis The Kennyboy of painters. ? Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:27 PM Subject: RE: OT - Online critics I have only one thing to say: http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/servlet/com.asucon.ebiz.home.web.tk.HomeServlet Cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote: I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the stature of the photographer. Tom C. Maybe, but how does the photographer get his stature in the first place, if all he produces is pure schmuck? Ask Peter Lik. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est First I've heard of this guy so I had a look. Fine panorama's, many stunning views, colourful but thankfully free of overt HDRism. I'll bite. What's the issue with Peter Lik's stuff? Too populist? Excessive self-promotion? -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Virtually everything I've ever seen of his has been nauseatingly over saturated. Jack - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:17 AM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote: I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the stature of the photographer. Tom C. Maybe, but how does the photographer get his stature in the first place, if all he produces is pure schmuck? Ask Peter Lik. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est First I've heard of this guy so I had a look. Fine panorama's, many stunning views, colourful but thankfully free of overt HDRism. I'll bite. What's the issue with Peter Lik's stuff? Too populist? Excessive self-promotion? -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote: I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the stature of the photographer. Tom C. Maybe, but how does the photographer get his stature in the first place, if all he produces is pure schmuck? Ask Peter Lik. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est First I've heard of this guy so I had a look. Fine panorama's, many stunning views, colourful but thankfully free of overt HDRism. I'll bite. What's the issue with Peter Lik's stuff? Too populist? Excessive self-promotion? -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Let's be a bit more precise here, it's not impossible to insult Kennyboy, it's impossible for Kennyboy to be insulted. A very subtle difference. On 3/15/2012 11:59 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I would have never thought it possible to insult Kennyboy. From: Jack Davis The Kennyboy of painters. ? Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:27 PM Subject: RE: OT - Online critics I have only one thing to say: http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/servlet/com.asucon.ebiz.home.web.tk.HomeServlet Cheers, frank -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller I hadn't heard of him until now. A look at his online gallery left me with mixed feelings, but more positive than negative. I saw some that didn't excite me but overall I thought it was pretty decent, and there were some I thought were excellent. While it looked like saturation was boosted I didn't find it excessively so in most cases. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, Tom I recall your Velvia past. Doubtless your color cones are calloused. ;-) Jack - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com To: pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:44 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller I hadn't heard of him until now. A look at his online gallery left me with mixed feelings, but more positive than negative. I saw some that didn't excite me but overall I thought it was pretty decent, and there were some I thought were excellent. While it looked like saturation was boosted I didn't find it excessively so in most cases. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. I saw a couple episodes of his show. The guy makes me seem humble. He talks about the difficulty of hauling his SLR out to where ever, and there's the cameraman videotaping him rappelling down the cliff. But, they don't mention that. All the video is just as impressive as the stills they flash. To be honest, the guy isn't a bad photographer, he just is nowhere near as good of a photographer as he is a publicist. With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have lots of problems with this guy and his photos. Let me start by saying that I don't know what art is, but when the word fine is put in front of it, it usually ain't. My biggest problem is that everything is larger than life. His descriptions of the hardships he endures to get the perfect photo, his description of the photos and the photos themselves. It's all hyper-real, more than I can take. Plus, he used the word zen apparently without irony. Need I say more? I know that we all bump up the saturation a bit for a beautiful sunset or whatever. But this guy is way ott. I won't mention names because I'm bound to forget someone, but there are a dozen or more photographers here whose landscapes blow this guy out of the water. What he's doing isn't bad but it's not great either. It strikes me that he's pandering to his audience (said audience no doubt determined by a market survey) and when that happens often art somehow gets lost along the way. His stuff (to me) is the photographic equivalent of velvet paintings of clowns and puppies with big eyes, Andre Rieux or Nora Roberts. Or Thomas Kinkaid. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. I saw a couple episodes of his show. The guy makes me seem humble. He talks about the difficulty of hauling his SLR out to where ever, and there's the cameraman videotaping him rappelling down the cliff. But, they don't mention that. All the video is just as impressive as the stills they flash. To be honest, the guy isn't a bad photographer, he just is nowhere near as good of a photographer as he is a publicist. With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bruce Walker On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote: I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the stature of the photographer. Tom C. Maybe, but how does the photographer get his stature in the first place, if all he produces is pure schmuck? Ask Peter Lik. First I've heard of this guy so I had a look. Fine panorama's, many stunning views, colourful but thankfully free of overt HDRism. I'll bite. What's the issue with Peter Lik's stuff? Too populist? Excessive self-promotion? Ken Rockwell Crocodile Dundee's love child. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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One final minor Peter Lik comment; I doubt he completed a sentence during his Weather Channel photo series that didn't include the fillers, bloody /or mate. Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I have lots of problems with this guy and his photos. Let me start by saying that I don't know what art is, but when the word fine is put in front of it, it usually ain't. My biggest problem is that everything is larger than life. His descriptions of the hardships he endures to get the perfect photo, his description of the photos and the photos themselves. It's all hyper-real, more than I can take. Plus, he used the word zen apparently without irony. Need I say more? I know that we all bump up the saturation a bit for a beautiful sunset or whatever. But this guy is way ott. I won't mention names because I'm bound to forget someone, but there are a dozen or more photographers here whose landscapes blow this guy out of the water. What he's doing isn't bad but it's not great either. It strikes me that he's pandering to his audience (said audience no doubt determined by a market survey) and when that happens often art somehow gets lost along the way. His stuff (to me) is the photographic equivalent of velvet paintings of clowns and puppies with big eyes, Andre Rieux or Nora Roberts. Or Thomas Kinkaid. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. I saw a couple episodes of his show. The guy makes me seem humble. He talks about the difficulty of hauling his SLR out to where ever, and there's the cameraman videotaping him rappelling down the cliff. But, they don't mention that. All the video is just as impressive as the stills they flash. To be honest, the guy isn't a bad photographer, he just is nowhere near as good of a photographer as he is a publicist. With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: One final minor Peter Lik comment; I doubt he completed a sentence during his Weather Channel photo series that didn't includenbsp;the fillers,nbsp;bloody /or mate. Starve the bloody lizards! You got a problem with that, cobber...er, mate?? (I've never seen his show - not sure if it's even been shown downunder.) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I have lots of problems with this guy and his photos. Let me start by saying that I don't know what art is, but when the word fine is put in front of it, it usually ain't. My biggest problem is that everything is larger than life. His descriptions of the hardships he endures to get the perfect photo, his description of the photos and the photos themselves. It's all hyper-real, more than I can take. Plus, he used the word zen apparently without irony. Need I say more? I know that we all bump up the saturation a bit for a beautiful sunset or whatever. But this guy is way ott. I won't mention names because I'm bound to forget someone, but there are a dozen or more photographers here whose landscapes blow this guy out of the water. What he's doing isn't bad but it's not great either. It strikes me that he's pandering to his audience (said audience no doubt determined by a market survey) and when that happens often art somehow gets lost along the way. His stuff (to me) is the photographic equivalent of velvet paintings of clowns and puppies with big eyes, Andre Rieux or Nora Roberts. Or Thomas Kinkaid. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. I saw a couple episodes of his show.nbsp; The guy makes me seem humble.nbsp; He talks about the difficulty of hauling his SLR out to where ever, and there's the cameraman videotaping him rappelling down the cliff.nbsp; But, they don't mention that.nbsp; All the video is just as impressive as the stills they flash.nbsp; To be honest, the guy isn't a bad photographer, he just is nowhere near as good of a photographer as he is a publicist. With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Have never before seen the mystery letter groups I've parenthesized at the end of that sentence. I just checked my sent file and do not find them. ?? What's a cobber? Jack ;-) - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:23 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: One final minor Peter Lik comment; I doubt he completed a sentence during his Weather Channel photo series that didn't include(nbsp;)the fillers,(nbsp)bloody /or mate. Starve the bloody lizards! You got a problem with that, cobber...er, mate?? (I've never seen his show - not sure if it's even been shown downunder.) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I have lots of problems with this guy and his photos. Let me start by saying that I don't know what art is, but when the word fine is put in front of it, it usually ain't. My biggest problem is that everything is larger than life. His descriptions of the hardships he endures to get the perfect photo, his description of the photos and the photos themselves. It's all hyper-real, more than I can take. Plus, he used the word zen apparently without irony. Need I say more? I know that we all bump up the saturation a bit for a beautiful sunset or whatever. But this guy is way ott. I won't mention names because I'm bound to forget someone, but there are a dozen or more photographers here whose landscapes blow this guy out of the water. What he's doing isn't bad but it's not great either. It strikes me that he's pandering to his audience (said audience no doubt determined by a market survey) and when that happens often art somehow gets lost along the way. His stuff (to me) is the photographic equivalent of velvet paintings of clowns and puppies with big eyes, Andre Rieux or Nora Roberts. Or Thomas Kinkaid. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. I saw a couple episodes of his show.nbsp; The guy makes me seem humble.nbsp; He talks about the difficulty of hauling his SLR out to where ever, and there's the cameraman videotaping him rappelling down the cliff.nbsp; But, they don't mention that.nbsp; All the video is just as impressive as the stills they flash.nbsp; To be honest, the guy isn't a bad photographer, he just is nowhere near as good of a photographer as he is a publicist. With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est --PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bruce - In my case, it is his irritating patter with his Weather Channel show... and his self-agrandisement. He just shouts throughout the show OH, AH, Gotta get this.. This is so great, blah blah, while his video guy is getting the lovely shots. ann On 3/15/2012 13:17, Bruce Walker wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote: I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the stature of the photographer. Tom C. Maybe, but how does the photographer get his stature in the first place, if all he produces is pure schmuck? Ask Peter Lik. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est First I've heard of this guy so I had a look. Fine panorama's, many stunning views, colourful but thankfully free of overt HDRism. I'll bite. What's the issue with Peter Lik's stuff? Too populist? Excessive self-promotion? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Perhaps insult was not the right word to convey what I meant. Kennyboy *is* a clueless git, but he's not a bad person. Kinkade is an oxygen thief with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, and a complete waste of space on planet Earth. From: P. J. Alling Let's be a bit more precise here, it's not impossible to insult Kennyboy, it's impossible for Kennyboy to be insulted. A very subtle difference. On 3/15/2012 11:59 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I would have never thought it possible to insult Kennyboy. From: Jack Davis The Kennyboy of painters. ? Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:27 PM Subject: RE: OT - Online critics I have only one thing to say: http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/servlet/com.asucon.ebiz.home.web.tk.HomeServlet Cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 15, 2012, at 3:02 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Perhaps insult was not the right word to convey what I meant. Kennyboy *is* a clueless git, but he's not a bad person. Kinkade is an oxygen thief with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, and a complete waste of space on planet Earth. If that wasn't way too harsh for the friendly banter of Mark's collection. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com Well, Tom I recall your Velvia? past. Doubtless your color cones are calloused. ;-) ? Jack I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Jack Davis Have never before seen the mystery letter groups I've parenthesized at the end of that sentence. I just checked my sent file and do not find them. ?? What's a cobber? Jack Pal, homeboy, buddy, wingman, chum, bloke, dude, guy, crony, tovarisch ... - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:23 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: One final minor Peter Lik comment; I doubt he completed a sentence during his Weather Channel photo series that didn't include(nbsp;)the fillers,(nbsp)bloody /or mate. Starve the bloody lizards! You got a problem with that, cobber...er, mate?? (I've never seen his show - not sure if it's even been shown downunder.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I do shoot a lot of BW. h.. Jack - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com To: pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:20 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com Well, Tom I recall your Velvia? past. Doubtless your color cones are calloused. ;-) ? Jack I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 15, 2012, at 3:29 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Jack Davis Have never before seen the mystery letter groups I've parenthesized at the end of that sentence. I just checked my sent file and do not find them. ?? What's a cobber? Jack Pal, homeboy, buddy, wingman, chum, bloke, dude, guy, crony, tovarisch ... droogie -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen [...] With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. I think someone here said a few months ago that this guy had sold a print for a million dollars or some similarly ridiculous sum. What I've seen of his stuff is hideous, but if that's the way people want to spend their money then good for them and good for him. Money was never a very reliable indicator of good taste. I never trust people who tell me how difficult it was to get the shot. They're either trying to make up for its deficiencies, or they're trying to push the price up. But to me the value, however you measure it, of a picture has nothing to do with how difficult or easy it was to take. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A whlie back I becames aware that he had sold a photograph of his for $ 1 million. This link http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2int_new=44121 mentions it but I couldn't find an internet link to the image itself. It was a very well executed image, but $1 million ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller I hadn't heard of him until now. A look at his online gallery left me with mixed feelings, but more positive than negative. I saw some that didn't excite me but overall I thought it was pretty decent, and there were some I thought were excellent. While it looked like saturation was boosted I didn't find it excessively so in most cases. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. Isn't that what's required nowadays to make a living in outdoor photography - unless your lead workshops tours. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. I saw a couple episodes of his show. The guy makes me seem humble. He talks about the difficulty of hauling his SLR out to where ever, and there's the cameraman videotaping him rappelling down the cliff. But, they don't mention that. All the video is just as impressive as the stills they flash. To be honest, the guy isn't a bad photographer, he just is nowhere near as good of a photographer as he is a publicist. With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-) Most all the pro outdoor photogs used velvia before the digital age. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com Well, Tom I recall your Velvia? past. Doubtless your color cones are calloused. ;-) ? Jack I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/15/12 7:47 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. Isn't that what's required nowadays to make a living in outdoor photography - unless your lead workshops tours. that's not limited to outdoor photography. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A whlie back I becames aware that he had sold a photograph of his for $ 1 million. This link http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2int_new=44121 mentions it but I couldn't find an internet link to the image itself. It was a very well executed image, but $1 million ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller I hadn't heard of him until now. A look at his online gallery left me with mixed feelings, but more positive than negative. I saw some that didn't excite me but overall I thought it was pretty decent, and there were some I thought were excellent. While it looked like saturation was boosted I didn't find it excessively so in most cases. Tom C. There's an image of it here: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/01/13/australian-landscape-photographer-peter-lik-sells-photo-for-1-million/ It's a nice image but the selling price says more about the buyer than it does about the photograph. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: Money was never a very reliable indicator of good taste. From the 2005 PDML Quotations List: For those who still think that the marketplace should determine what is good art, I have just two words: Andy Warhol. Bob Blakely I never trust people who tell me how difficult it was to get the shot. They're either trying to make up for its deficiencies, or they're trying to push the price up. But to me the value, however you measure it, of a picture has nothing to do with how difficult or easy it was to take. Quite right. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/15/2012 7:47 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. Isn't that what's required nowadays to make a living in outdoor photography - unless your lead workshops tours. That and a ton of luck... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: Have never before seen the mystery letter groups I've parenthesized at the end of that sentence. I just checked my sent file and do not find them. ?? They mean 'non-breaking space', a special (and very useful) HTML character used in web pages. But I didn't put them there - I blame my email client. What's a cobber? I think others have answered this :-) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Jack ;-) - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:23 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: One final minor Peter Lik comment; I doubt he completed a sentence during his Weather Channel photo series that didn't include(nbsp;)the fillers,(nbsp)bloody /or mate. Starve the bloody lizards! You got a problem with that, cobber...er, mate?? (I've never seen his show - not sure if it's even been shown downunder.) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: What's a cobber? Someone who separates the kernels from the cob. DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/15/2012 20:35, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: Money was never a very reliable indicator of good taste. From the 2005 PDML Quotations List: For those who still think that the marketplace should determine what is good art, I have just two words: Andy Warhol. — Bob Blakely I never trust people who tell me how difficult it was to get the shot. They're either trying to make up for its deficiencies, or they're trying to push the price up. But to me the value, however you measure it, of a picture has nothing to do with how difficult or easy it was to take. Quite right. ditto that ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: kwaller With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. Isn't that what's required nowadays to make a living in outdoor photography - unless your lead workshops tours. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller Not limited to outdoor photography. Making a living doing any kind of photography is 99% marketing any more. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The majority of any new business is marketing chasing new work. Until you reach a certain critical mass. On 16/03/2012, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: kwaller With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. Isn't that what's required nowadays to make a living in outdoor photography - unless your lead workshops tours. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller Not limited to outdoor photography. Making a living doing any kind of photography is 99% marketing any more. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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All in the marketing, backed by deep pockets. Jack - Original Message - From: kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:47 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. Isn't that what's required nowadays to make a living in outdoor photography - unless your lead workshops tours. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. I saw a couple episodes of his show. The guy makes me seem humble. He talks about the difficulty of hauling his SLR out to where ever, and there's the cameraman videotaping him rappelling down the cliff. But, they don't mention that. All the video is just as impressive as the stills they flash. To be honest, the guy isn't a bad photographer, he just is nowhere near as good of a photographer as he is a publicist. With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at photography. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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ahh..OK? Jack - Original Message - From: kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:48 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-) Most all the pro outdoor photogs used velvia before the digital age. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com Well, Tom I recall your Velvia? past. Doubtless your color cones are calloused. ;-) ? Jack I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Appreciate it, Brian. Thanks! Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:55 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: Have never before seen the mystery letter groups I've parenthesized at the end of that sentence. I just checked my sent file and do not find them. ?? They mean 'non-breaking space', a special (and very useful) HTML character used in web pages. But I didn't put them there - I blame my email client. What's a cobber? I think others have answered this :-) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Jack ;-) - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:23 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: One final minor Peter Lik comment; I doubt he completed a sentence during his Weather Channel photo series that didn't include(nbsp;)the fillers,(nbsp)bloody /or mate. Starve the bloody lizards! You got a problem with that, cobber...er, mate?? (I've never seen his show - not sure if it's even been shown downunder.) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ --PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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AH HA! I thought so! Jack - Original Message - From: David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:59 PM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: What's a cobber? Someone who separates the kernels from the cob. DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I must admit, I really like this one. It's the best by far that I've seen of his work (admittedly I've not seen much). But OMG his description of how he took it! Gimme a break! BTW, interesting to note that Gursky's Rhine II which is the current record holder for most expensive photograph was sold on the secondary market. Gursky didn't make that money, the print's owner did. In Lik's case he was the seller so the million went into his pocket. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics A whlie back I becames aware that he had sold a photograph of his for $ 1 million. This link http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2int_new=44121 mentions it but I couldn't find an internet link to the image itself. It was a very well executed image, but $1 million ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips on the Weather channel. He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his photos speak for them self. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller I hadn't heard of him until now. A look at his online gallery left me with mixed feelings, but more positive than negative. I saw some that didn't excite me but overall I thought it was pretty decent, and there were some I thought were excellent. While it looked like saturation was boosted I didn't find it excessively so in most cases. Tom C. There's an image of it here: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/01/13/australian-landscape-photographer-peter-lik-sells-photo-for-1-million/ It's a nice image but the selling price says more about the buyer than it does about the photograph. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/15/2012 7:48 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-) Most all the pro outdoor photogs used velvia before the digital age. Which explains the colors Canon cameras output as a default. Personally I prefer Kodachrome for my over-saturated photos, too bad it's gone. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com Well, Tom I recall your Velvia? past. Doubtless your color cones are calloused. ;-) ? Jack I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-) Tom C. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/15/2012 6:02 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Perhaps insult was not the right word to convey what I meant. Kennyboy *is* a clueless git, but he's not a bad person. Kinkade is an oxygen thief with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, and a complete waste of space on planet Earth. That's certainly a point we can agree on. From: P. J. Alling Let's be a bit more precise here, it's not impossible to insult Kennyboy, it's impossible for Kennyboy to be insulted. A very subtle difference. On 3/15/2012 11:59 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I would have never thought it possible to insult Kennyboy. From: Jack Davis The Kennyboy of painters. ? Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:27 PM Subject: RE: OT - Online critics I have only one thing to say: http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/servlet/com.asucon.ebiz.home.web.tk.HomeServlet Cheers, frank -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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So I came across this via FB today... There is a flickr group called deleteme where images in the groups pool of photos is voted on to either be be retained of deleted. Someone decided to test members visual literacy photographic knowledge by submitting this photo (read the comments): http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrerabelo/70458366/ Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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These kind of tests also reveal something of the nature of famous photos. A lot of folks don't like Picasso either. ;-) On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:10 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: So I came across this via FB today... There is a flickr group called deleteme where images in the groups pool of photos is voted on to either be be retained of deleted. Someone decided to test members visual literacy photographic knowledge by submitting this photo (read the comments): http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrerabelo/70458366/ Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think it was posted here at least twice before. But it's still funny. If nothing else it shows how braking the rules can make for an outstanding photo. ;-) cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com Sent: March 14, 2012 3/14/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT - Online critics So I came across this via FB today... There is a flickr group called deleteme where images in the groups pool of photos is voted on to either be be retained of deleted. Someone decided to test members visual literacy photographic knowledge by submitting this photo (read the comments): http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrerabelo/70458366/ Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 14, 2012, at 4:10, David Savage wrote: So I came across this via FB today... There is a flickr group called deleteme where images in the groups pool of photos is voted on to either be be retained of deleted. Someone decided to test members visual literacy photographic knowledge by submitting this photo (read the comments): http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrerabelo/70458366/ The general attitude seems to be that it's a bland shot - if you don't consider who shot it. Which brings to mind this question: Just because it was shot by a specific known person, does that make it a better image? Personally, I don't think so. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? I don't think that's really the issue here. Rather, I see two main points: (1) The commenters are oblivious to the fact that it's a famous photograph, showing a weakness in the commenters' understanding of the history of the art form they're critiquing. I see some merit to this argument, but, really, all of us have to decide where to focus our attention, and we all have strengths, weaknesses, and gaps in our knowledge. (2) Most of the complaints were about the technical quality, particularly sharpness. This illustrates a widespread belief, especially in this sort of Internet forum, that perfect technical quality is essential to a good photograph. If that's someone's well-considered belief, fine, but it seems like a lot of people hold this belief without really thinking about it, or without appreciating how many of photography's past works would be rejected under it. Today I was engaged in a discussion about whether the Nikon D700 and D800 are suitable for making large prints (in the sense of Maybe the D800 is, but maybe not the D700.) My response was that if that kind of statement seems reasonable to you, you're saying there haven't been many adequate prints in the history of photography. It's a narrow technical view that, even I as a sensor and instrumentation geek, am getting weary of. I'm glad for the ever-increasing capabilities of our equipment, but at some point you need to just look at the picture! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No, of course HCB is not beyond criticism. No one is. I recall when news of his death was announced on this list, several said that they just didn't get why he was considered such a great artist, he was little more than a common street photographer. Hey, to each his own. I think what is interesting in this critique is exactly that they weren't criticizing HCB (they didn't appear to know it was his) they were critiquing the photograph. I found it interesting that the most sanctimonious posters were those that criticized the breaking of rules. They wanted to look at what was wrong with the photo rather than look at it as a whole and just see that it worked - spectacularly well imho. I wonder if those same posters, had they known whose photo it was wouldn't have been fawning over it. ;-) If HCB followed all the rules he wouldn't have been who he was. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Sent: March 14, 2012 3/14/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: The general attitude seems to be that it's a bland shot - if you don't consider who shot it. Which brings to mind this question: Just because it was shot by a specific known person, does that make it a better image? Personally, I don't think so. No, it's not a better image just because it's by someone famous. But sometimes I think that guys like AA and HCB have so many photographers following in their footsteps that their originals seem routine, or even cliched. So I think it can be helpful to take the historical context into account. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? I don't think that's really the issue here. Rather, I see two main points: (1) The commenters are oblivious to the fact that it's a famous photograph, showing a weakness in the commenters' understanding of the history of the art form they're critiquing. snip (2) Most of the complaints were about the technical quality, particularly sharpness. This illustrates a widespread belief, especially in this sort of Internet forum, that perfect technical quality is essential to a good photograph. snip Also: (3) That's an awesome photograph! -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:10 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: There is a flickr group called deleteme where images in the groups pool of photos is voted on to either be be retained of deleted. Someone decided to test members visual literacy photographic knowledge by submitting this photo (read the comments): http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrerabelo/70458366/ Also, if you haven't seen Mike Johnston's (fictitious) sends-up of this kind of critique, here they are: http://theonlinephotographer.blogspot.com/2006/06/great-photographers-on-internet.html http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/11/great-photographers-on-the-internet-part-ii.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/14/2012 10:48 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? I don't think that's really the issue here. Rather, I see two main points: (1) The commenters are oblivious to the fact that it's a famous photograph, showing a weakness in the commenters' understanding of the history of the art form they're critiquing. I see some merit to this argument, but, really, all of us have to decide where to focus our attention, and we all have strengths, weaknesses, and gaps in our knowledge. As a neophyte, this is something I can appreciate more than most on the list, I suppose. That's why I'm so hesitant to offer critiques on others' works and instead choose to learn from the critiques that others offer. A case in point: Mark's photo of the columns from a few days ago. My eye really wanted to see that image in a horizontal perspective. But, after looking at it again, I understood that it simply wouldn't have worked nearly as well that way -- perhaps for the very fact that it would have been a concession to the eye's natural inclination. (2) Most of the complaints were about the technical quality, particularly sharpness. This illustrates a widespread belief, especially in this sort of Internet forum, that perfect technical quality is essential to a good photograph. If that's someone's well-considered belief, fine, but it seems like a lot of people hold this belief without really thinking about it, or without appreciating how many of photography's past works would be rejected under it. Today I was engaged in a discussion about whether the Nikon D700 and D800 are suitable for making large prints (in the sense of Maybe the D800 is, but maybe not the D700.) My response was that if that kind of statement seems reasonable to you, you're saying there haven't been many adequate prints in the history of photography. It's a narrow technical view that, even I as a sensor and instrumentation geek, am getting weary of. I'm glad for the ever-increasing capabilities of our equipment, but at some point you need to just look at the picture! This phenomenon actually makes me revel in my blissful ignorance. Not having any preconceived notions of what a photo should look like when I take it, I tend to gravitate toward taking photos that look how I want them to look. Having a great deal of technical knowledge can obviously help to achieve that end, obviously. But, there's a certain freedom in not being burdened with the strictures of technical perfection. That's not to say I wouldn't love to have all the knowledge that the gearheads on the list have; it would certainly help me to cut back on the number of clunkers I shoot. But, for the time being, I find it extremely satisfying when my images come out the way I envisioned them when I hit the shutter button. And if that turns out to be pretty crappy, at least I'll know the problem is in my eye and not the camera -- which is a much less expensive problem to fix. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Beautifully segmented composition. Jack From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:14 AM Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? I don't think that's really the issue here. Rather, I see two main points: (1) The commenters are oblivious to the fact that it's a famous photograph, showing a weakness in the commenters' understanding of the history of the art form they're critiquing. snip (2) Most of the complaints were about the technical quality, particularly sharpness. This illustrates a widespread belief, especially in this sort of Internet forum, that perfect technical quality is essential to a good photograph. snip Also: (3) That's an awesome photograph! -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:14, Mark Roberts wrote: Also: (3) That's an awesome photograph! Can someone explain to me what it is about that photo which they like? I don't mean to sound rude, but for me it's dull as dirty dishwater. Slice of life which is great if you have ever visited there or lived there and want to remember a feeling, but as a photograph in its own it leaves me bored. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: I'm glad for the ever-increasing capabilities of our equipment, but at some point you need to just look at the picture! Mark! -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 14, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:14, Mark Roberts wrote: Also: (3) That's an awesome photograph! Can someone explain to me what it is about that photo which they like? I don't mean to sound rude, but for me it's dull as dirty dishwater. Slice of life which is great if you have ever visited there or lived there and want to remember a feeling, but as a photograph in its own it leaves me bored. I like it, can't say as I love it though. There is something about the composition that draws my eye around in a pleasing way. For me the things that make it pleasing have almost nothing to do with the subject matter, or the technical prowess of the photo. As an aside, at one point I wanted to design an experiment where you would measure the movements of peoples eyes as they looked at a picture, and do an analysis of the movements in the frequency domain, to see if visually pleasing shapes worked off movements with similar sorts of harmonic relationships as pleasing combinations of notes. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Steven Desjardins These kind of tests also reveal something of the nature of famous photos. A lot of folks don't like Picasso either. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:10 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: So I came across this via FB today... There is a flickr group called deleteme where images in the groups pool of photos is voted on to either be be retained of deleted. Someone decided to test members visual literacy photographic knowledge by submitting this photo (read the comments): http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrerabelo/70458366/ Cheers, It bothers me that the main argument against deleting it is who the photographer was, and not the image itself. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Daniel J. Matyola In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan Apparently. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: knarftheriault No, of course HCB is not beyond criticism. No one is. I recall when news of his death was announced on this list, several said that they just didn't get why he was considered such a great artist, he was little more than a common street photographer. Hey, to each his own. I think what is interesting in this critique is exactly that they weren't criticizing HCB (they didn't appear to know it was his) they were critiquing the photograph. I found it interesting that the most sanctimonious posters were those that criticized the breaking of rules. They wanted to look at what was wrong with the photo rather than look at it as a whole and just see that it worked - spectacularly well imho. I wonder if those same posters, had they known whose photo it was wouldn't have been fawning over it. It seemed to me the sanctimoniousness ran both ways; that for many the image was above criticism because of who took it. I wasn't around here when he died, but I don't consider HCB little more than a common street photographer. I think he was at least as good as Weegee. If HCB followed all the rules he wouldn't have been who he was. And who HCB was has nothing to do with whether it's a good photo or not. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Sent: March 14, 2012 3/14/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 14, 2012, at 12:06 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: knarftheriault It seemed to me the sanctimoniousness ran both ways; that for many the image was above criticism because of who took it. I wasn't around here when he died, but I don't consider HCB little more than a common street photographer. I think he was at least as good as Weegee. If HCB followed all the rules he wouldn't have been who he was. And who HCB was has nothing to do with whether it's a good photo or not. There is also the very important question of who is looking at the photo, in what context the photo was taken, and in what context the photo is being looked at. If the photo is to show someone the bicyclist so that they can recognize him at lunch the next day, it's a terrible photo. If it's being used to show off the stairway hand rail, it could be pretty good. There are photos that I took several years ago of friends dancing, that they came up and effusively thanked me because it was the best picture anyone had ever taken of them dancing. They could show the picture to someone and that person could actually see what the dancing was about. Four years ago, just getting a photo without flash of someone dancing was almost enough for it to qualify as the best picture anyone had ever taken of them. Out of a night of dancing, I was lucky to get a dozen photos with image quality that I'd barely consider worth putting on facebook today. Likewise, the pictures that people snag for their facebook profiles are often horrible photos technically, but they capture a moment. One of my favorite photos of my sister, with her standing behind a horse my nephew was riding, was one she begged me to take off the web. I thought it was a beautiful photo of a woman who has gone through and survived a lot of struggles. She hated it because it made her look like someone does who survived a lot of struggles, rather than the youthful ideal of beauty that so many try to project. There is also the case of training your sense of aesthetic. The things that you like, or dislike, are often a product of your culture. Music and clothing fashion are two very strong ways that we identify someone from our tribe. I enjoy rock from the 60's and 70's, a lot of techno and house is just background noise to me, a lot of disco and hip-hop are downright annoying.In a similar vein, when I started listening to blues, I loved Chicago electric blues, could not stand any of the acoustic delta blues. The people far more familiar with the music seemed to most love the music I most hated. After several years of listening and dancing to blues, I now appreciate a much wider range, though I still dislike the scratchy recordings of a toothless hobo beating on a tin can. Someone new to looking at photos might love the eleven exposure HDR that Dan posted, and not see any merit in the HCB bicycle shot. Someone who is just learning the technical side of the craft will look at HCB's shot and see the technical flaws, and only see that the rules are being broken without understanding the full reasons behind the rules. The things that make photography an art rather than just a science are the same reasons that none of those comments were inherently wrong. The same photo meant different things to each person. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan No, but knowing that well-informed and respectable people like something that we think is bleh should probably give us pause for thought and make us wonder why the picture is so well thought of, and why how that person became well-known in the first place. If we don't see what all the fuss is about then rather than dismissing it as pretentious nonsense, as so many os us do, perhaps we should be a little more humble and consider that maybe we don't know how to look at a picture, whether it's by Picasso, HCB, Ansel Adams or Thomas Kinkade, and perhaps we should be doing something to find out why the picture is considered great. We never know, it might even improve we's own picture-making. I mean taking. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Charles Robinson On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:14, Mark Roberts wrote: Also: (3) That's an awesome photograph! Can someone explain to me what it is about that photo which they like? I don't mean to sound rude, but for me it's dull as dirty dishwater. Slice of life which is great if you have ever visited there or lived there and want to remember a feeling, but as a photograph in its own it leaves me bored. -Charles But dude! It's a famous photograph by HCB. It's almost as famous as that picture of a tricycle sitting in the driveway. /irony -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I believe there are many who are ready to admire any one's work if they are educated as to what compels the eye. I, also, believe it's healthy to admit that for them, the emporor is naked. Being shown what will improve there own work is likely the most successful method of teaching. Problem is, finding someone with whom you are comfortable and whos maner and work you respect. Jack - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:35 PM Subject: RE: OT - Online critics From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan No, but knowing that well-informed and respectable people like something that we think is bleh should probably give us pause for thought and make us wonder why the picture is so well thought of, and why how that person became well-known in the first place. If we don't see what all the fuss is about then rather than dismissing it as pretentious nonsense, as so many os us do, perhaps we should be a little more humble and consider that maybe we don't know how to look at a picture, whether it's by Picasso, HCB, Ansel Adams or Thomas Kinkade, and perhaps we should be doing something to find out why the picture is considered great. We never know, it might even improve we's own picture-making. I mean taking. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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... I find it extremely satisfying when my images come out the way I envisioned them when I hit the shutter button. Isn't that what most of us want in this thing called photography? Good on ya Walt! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On 3/14/2012 10:48 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? I don't think that's really the issue here. Rather, I see two main points: (1) The commenters are oblivious to the fact that it's a famous photograph, showing a weakness in the commenters' understanding of the history of the art form they're critiquing. I see some merit to this argument, but, really, all of us have to decide where to focus our attention, and we all have strengths, weaknesses, and gaps in our knowledge. As a neophyte, this is something I can appreciate more than most on the list, I suppose. That's why I'm so hesitant to offer critiques on others' works and instead choose to learn from the critiques that others offer. A case in point: Mark's photo of the columns from a few days ago. My eye really wanted to see that image in a horizontal perspective. But, after looking at it again, I understood that it simply wouldn't have worked nearly as well that way -- perhaps for the very fact that it would have been a concession to the eye's natural inclination. (2) Most of the complaints were about the technical quality, particularly sharpness. This illustrates a widespread belief, especially in this sort of Internet forum, that perfect technical quality is essential to a good photograph. If that's someone's well-considered belief, fine, but it seems like a lot of people hold this belief without really thinking about it, or without appreciating how many of photography's past works would be rejected under it. Today I was engaged in a discussion about whether the Nikon D700 and D800 are suitable for making large prints (in the sense of Maybe the D800 is, but maybe not the D700.) My response was that if that kind of statement seems reasonable to you, you're saying there haven't been many adequate prints in the history of photography. It's a narrow technical view that, even I as a sensor and instrumentation geek, am getting weary of. I'm glad for the ever-increasing capabilities of our equipment, but at some point you need to just look at the picture! This phenomenon actually makes me revel in my blissful ignorance. Not having any preconceived notions of what a photo should look like when I take it, I tend to gravitate toward taking photos that look how I want them to look. Having a great deal of technical knowledge can obviously help to achieve that end, obviously. But, there's a certain freedom in not being burdened with the strictures of technical perfection. That's not to say I wouldn't love to have all the knowledge that the gearheads on the list have; it would certainly help me to cut back on the number of clunkers I shoot. But, for the time being, I find it extremely satisfying when my images come out the way I envisioned them when I hit the shutter button. And if that turns out to be pretty crappy, at least I'll know the problem is in my eye and not the camera -- which is a much less expensive problem to fix. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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How did Thomas Kinkade get into that list? And what great pictures has he painted? :-) cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Sent: March 14, 2012 3/14/12 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT - Online critics From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan No, but knowing that well-informed and respectable people like something that we think is bleh should probably give us pause for thought and make us wonder why the picture is so well thought of, and why how that person became well-known in the first place. If we don't see what all the fuss is about then rather than dismissing it as pretentious nonsense, as so many os us do, perhaps we should be a little more humble and consider that maybe we don't know how to look at a picture, whether it's by Picasso, HCB, Ansel Adams or Thomas Kinkade, and perhaps we should be doing something to find out why the picture is considered great. We never know, it might even improve we's own picture-making. I mean taking. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Charles Robinson Can someone explain to me what it is about that photo which they like? I don't mean to sound rude, but for me it's dull as dirty dishwater. Slice of life which is great if you have ever visited there or lived there and want to remember a feeling, but as a photograph in its own it leaves me bored. The picture in question was taken in 1932 at a time when few people were taking snapshots of that type. Others include Brassai, Kertesz and so on. They were taking advantage of the ease-of-use of the Leica to capture life 'sur le vif', trying to catch the ephemeral and show the poetry of everyday life. Cartier-Bresson's first book, known in English as The Decisive Moment, is called in French Image A La Sauvette. The phrase 'a la sauvette' carries the feeling of an unlicensed street-trader, on the lookout for the cops and ready to pack up and go at any time. This style of picture-taking (and it is taking, 'making' is simply the wrong word for this kind of thing) was quite new at the time. What HCB brought to it was a highly-developed artistic sensibility, a surrealist's taste for the odd, and a quick wit. He had trained in classical composition and had a great knowledge of art and the history of art, which he brought to his photography, but not in the laboured way of people who imitate or reproduce paintings, but in an instinctive way. He described it (or words to this effect) as the recognition in a fraction of a second of the coming together of a composition and some significant action to complete it. In the case of this particular photograph, he has recognised in a fraction of a second the organic form of the staircase, which is like a snail's shell, and one of the 'golden' shapes based on phi. The steps themselves recall Duchamp's Nude Descending A Staircase. It's overlaid with various other geometric forms - the railings, the cobbles, the curve of the kerb etc. to form a highly abstract, cubist composition. A cyclist has whizzed into this and looks as though he has launched from the stairs themselves, or from the railings like a kid who has slid down, and this brings a sort of playfulness to the final shot, which would have been dull and pictorial without it. The cyclist's blur contrasts the speed (and evanescence) of life with the eternal fixedness of the geometry and the imprisoning bars. That is my summary reading of it, but there's nothing privileged about that reading, or about any other. Different people react in different ways and can bring their own readings to any picture. What is probably more important is to be able to discuss their interpretation in a way that says something interesting about the picture - if there is anything worth saying about it. That's why people talk about art appreciation, rather than liking or disliking. You can appreciate it without necessarily liking it. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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How did Thomas Kinkade get into that list? And what great pictures has he painted? :-) cheers, frank Pearls before swine! B What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Sent: March 14, 2012 3/14/12 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT - Online critics From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan No, but knowing that well-informed and respectable people like something that we think is bleh should probably give us pause for thought and make us wonder why the picture is so well thought of, and why how that person became well-known in the first place. If we don't see what all the fuss is about then rather than dismissing it as pretentious nonsense, as so many os us do, perhaps we should be a little more humble and consider that maybe we don't know how to look at a picture, whether it's by Picasso, HCB, Ansel Adams or Thomas Kinkade, and perhaps we should be doing something to find out why the picture is considered great. We never know, it might even improve we's own picture-making. I mean taking. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If we don't see what all the fuss is about then rather than dismissing it as pretentious nonsense, as so many os us do, perhaps we should be a little more humble and consider that maybe we don't know how to look at a picture, whether it's by Picasso, HCB, Ansel Adams or Thomas Kinkade, and perhaps we should be doing something to find out why the picture is considered great. We never know, it might even improve we's own picture-making. I mean taking. B Now see there YOU go insulting Ansel, Bob. I believe he would say one MAKES not takes a picture. I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the stature of the photographer. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tom C Sent: 14 March 2012 21:12 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT - Online critics If we don't see what all the fuss is about then rather than dismissing it as pretentious nonsense, as so many os us do, perhaps we should be a little more humble and consider that maybe we don't know how to look at a picture, whether it's by Picasso, HCB, Ansel Adams or Thomas Kinkade, and perhaps we should be doing something to find out why the picture is considered great. We never know, it might even improve we's own picture-making. I mean taking. B Now see there YOU go insulting Ansel, Bob. I believe he would say one MAKES not takes a picture. How could you _possibly_ think it an insult when I mention him in the same breath as Thomas Kinkade?! B I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the stature of the photographer. Tom C. Maybe, but how does the photographer get his stature in the first place, if all he produces is pure schmuck? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have only one thing to say: http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/servlet/com.asucon.ebiz.home.web.tk.HomeServlet Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message Pearls before swine! B What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Sent: March 14, 2012 3/14/12 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT - Online critics From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan No, but knowing that well-informed and respectable people like something that we think is bleh should probably give us pause for thought and make us wonder why the picture is so well thought of, and why how that person became well-known in the first place. If we don't see what all the fuss is about then rather than dismissing it as pretentious nonsense, as so many os us do, perhaps we should be a little more humble and consider that maybe we don't know how to look at a picture, whether it's by Picasso, HCB, Ansel Adams or Thomas Kinkade, and perhaps we should be doing something to find out why the picture is considered great. We never know, it might even improve we's own picture-making. I mean taking. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mathew I quite agree. I am very fond of music played live or on a good home system. My guru in this world was a radio engineer. After I spent the weekend fine tuning my system I invited for a listen. After 15 mins running it through its pace I said to my friend wow did you hear those horns and the great separation? And he replied no he had just been listening to the music. Usually the goal is more important than the process. Message: 9 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:48:29 -0400 From: Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Message-ID: camagon7wyxb0ptcn6ojtcp_g1jdezf-oj6jhhnq8iaxrb9h...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. ?Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? I don't think that's really the issue here. Rather, I see two main points: (1) The commenters are oblivious to the fact that it's a famous photograph, showing a weakness in the commenters' understanding of the history of the art form they're critiquing. I see some merit to this argument, but, really, all of us have to decide where to focus our attention, and we all have strengths, weaknesses, and gaps in our knowledge. (2) Most of the complaints were about the technical quality, particularly sharpness. This illustrates a widespread belief, especially in this sort of Internet forum, that perfect technical quality is essential to a good photograph. If that's someone's well-considered belief, fine, but it seems like a lot of people hold this belief without really thinking about it, or without appreciating how many of photography's past works would be rejected under it. Today I was engaged in a discussion about whether the Nikon D700 and D800 are suitable for making large prints (in the sense of Maybe the D800 is, but maybe not the D700.) My response was that if that kind of statement seems reasonable to you, you're saying there haven't been many adequate prints in the history of photography. It's a narrow technical view that, even I as a sensor and instrumentation geek, am getting weary of. I'm glad for the ever-increasing capabilities of our equipment, but at some point you need to just look at the picture! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote: I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the stature of the photographer. Tom C. Maybe, but how does the photographer get his stature in the first place, if all he produces is pure schmuck? Ask Peter Lik. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Don Guthrie wrote: Mathew I quite agree. I am very fond of music played live or on a good home system. My guru in this world was a radio engineer. After I spent the weekend fine tuning my system I invited for a listen. After 15 mins running it through its pace I said to my friend wow did you hear those horns and the great separation? And he replied no he had just been listening to the music. Usually the goal is more important than the process. Have you noticed how many musicians have really crappy stereos? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Usually the goal is more important than the process. MARK! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Mathew I quite agree. I am very fond of music played live or on a good home system. My guru in this world was a radio engineer. After I spent the weekend fine tuning my system I invited for a listen. After 15 mins running it through its pace I said to my friend wow did you hear those horns and the great separation? And he replied no he had just been listening to the music. Usually the goal is more important than the process. Message: 9 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:48:29 -0400 From: Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Online critics Message-ID: camagon7wyxb0ptcn6ojtcp_g1jdezf-oj6jhhnq8iaxrb9h...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. ?Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? I don't think that's really the issue here. Rather, I see two main points: (1) The commenters are oblivious to the fact that it's a famous photograph, showing a weakness in the commenters' understanding of the history of the art form they're critiquing. I see some merit to this argument, but, really, all of us have to decide where to focus our attention, and we all have strengths, weaknesses, and gaps in our knowledge. (2) Most of the complaints were about the technical quality, particularly sharpness. This illustrates a widespread belief, especially in this sort of Internet forum, that perfect technical quality is essential to a good photograph. If that's someone's well-considered belief, fine, but it seems like a lot of people hold this belief without really thinking about it, or without appreciating how many of photography's past works would be rejected under it. Today I was engaged in a discussion about whether the Nikon D700 and D800 are suitable for making large prints (in the sense of Maybe the D800 is, but maybe not the D700.) My response was that if that kind of statement seems reasonable to you, you're saying there haven't been many adequate prints in the history of photography. It's a narrow technical view that, even I as a sensor and instrumentation geek, am getting weary of. I'm glad for the ever-increasing capabilities of our equipment, but at some point you need to just look at the picture! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You bastard! Now I have to find an all-night ophthalmologist! B I have only one thing to say: http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/servlet/com.asucon.ebiz.home.web.tk.H omeServlet Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message Pearls before swine! B What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Sent: March 14, 2012 3/14/12 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT - Online critics From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan No, but knowing that well-informed and respectable people like something that we think is bleh should probably give us pause for thought and make us wonder why the picture is so well thought of, and why how that person became well-known in the first place. If we don't see what all the fuss is about then rather than dismissing it as pretentious nonsense, as so many os us do, perhaps we should be a little more humble and consider that maybe we don't know how to look at a picture, whether it's by Picasso, HCB, Ansel Adams or Thomas Kinkade, and perhaps we should be doing something to find out why the picture is considered great. We never know, it might even improve we's own picture-making. I mean taking. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Better than eye bleach... On 3/14/2012 5:47 PM, Bob W wrote: You bastard! Now I have to find an all-night ophthalmologist! B I have only one thing to say: http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/servlet/com.asucon.ebiz.home.web.tk.H omeServlet Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message Pearls before swine! B What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Bob Wp...@web-options.com Sent: March 14, 2012 3/14/12 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT - Online critics From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan No, but knowing that well-informed and respectable people like something that we think is bleh should probably give us pause for thought and make us wonder why the picture is so well thought of, and why how that person became well-known in the first place. If we don't see what all the fuss is about then rather than dismissing it as pretentious nonsense, as so many os us do, perhaps we should be a little more humble and consider that maybe we don't know how to look at a picture, whether it's by Picasso, HCB, Ansel Adams or Thomas Kinkade, and perhaps we should be doing something to find out why the picture is considered great. We never know, it might even improve we's own picture-making. I mean taking. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The Kennyboy of painters. Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:27 PM Subject: RE: OT - Online critics I have only one thing to say: http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/servlet/com.asucon.ebiz.home.web.tk.HomeServlet Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message Pearls before swine! B What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Sent: March 14, 2012 3/14/12 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT - Online critics From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? Dan No, but knowing that well-informed and respectable people like something that we think is bleh should probably give us pause for thought and make us wonder why the picture is so well thought of, and why how that person became well-known in the first place. If we don't see what all the fuss is about then rather than dismissing it as pretentious nonsense, as so many os us do, perhaps we should be a little more humble and consider that maybe we don't know how to look at a picture, whether it's by Picasso, HCB, Ansel Adams or Thomas Kinkade, and perhaps we should be doing something to find out why the picture is considered great. We never know, it might even improve we's own picture-making. I mean taking. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/14/2012 12:14, Mark Roberts wrote: Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? I don't think that's really the issue here. Rather, I see two main points: (1) The commenters are oblivious to the fact that it's a famous photograph, showing a weakness in the commenters' understanding of the history of the art form they're critiquing. snip (2) Most of the complaints were about the technical quality, particularly sharpness. This illustrates a widespread belief, especially in this sort of Internet forum, that perfect technical quality is essential to a good photograph. snip Also: (3) That's an awesome photograph! Hi folks, I'm back from a brief hiatus in time to jump into this. I go with (3). but I will say that the photo is poorly reproduced for the web - .. having seen an exhibition print and having it in a couple of books well printed the repro doesn't do it justice. It has always been one of my favorite HCB's. The comments were inane both on the side of those who liked the photo and those who didn't - the sniping 'Ha ha i'm smarter than you etc. Sad. There is so much going on in the photo and it is the essence of the decisive moment I'm guessing HCB was intrigued by the staircase and the shadow play and as a photgraphic reference to cubism and may have been involved in taing a shot just of _that_ when the opportunity came by. The bike is perfectly placed - a tiny more blur perhaps would make it even nicer. But it is, of course, the kind of photo that epitomised what interested HCB and he surely would not have cared what anyone else thought. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ann Sanfedele wrote: There is so much going on in the photo and it is the essence of the decisive moment I'm guessing HCB was intrigued by the staircase and the shadow play and as a photgraphic reference to cubism and may have been involved in taing a shot just of _that_ when the opportunity came by. Knowing how HCB worked and how thoughtful he was about his photography, I'd bet he had that location and composition worked out beforehand and set up *waiting* for that cyclist (or something else interesting) to come by. The bike is perfectly placed - a tiny more blur perhaps would make it even nicer. HCB should have had blur lessons from Knarf. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2012-03-14 16:21, Jack Davis wrote: I believe there are many who are ready to admire any one's work if they are educated as to what compels the eye. My eye came with it's own built-in compulsions. I feel no need to add to them. :-) -- Doug Lefty Franklin NutDriver Racing http://NutDriver.org Facebook NutDriver Racing Sponsored by Murphy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: The bike is perfectly placed - a tiny more blur perhaps would make it even nicer. HCB should have had blur lessons from Knarf. Knarf would have ridden faster. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/14/2012 19:11, Mark Roberts wrote: Ann Sanfedele wrote: There is so much going on in the photo and it is the essence of the decisive moment I'm guessing HCB was intrigued by the staircase and the shadow play and as a photgraphic reference to cubism and may have been involved in taing a shot just of _that_ when the opportunity came by. Knowing how HCB worked and how thoughtful he was about his photography, I'd bet he had that location and composition worked out beforehand and set up *waiting* for that cyclist (or something else interesting) to come by. Yeah - I'll buy that... could be either. given it was France and urban - sure. I agree that he wouldn't have clicked without something or someone passing - But I'm also remembering the stories of his drive in the USA needing to come to a screeching stop while HCB hopped out to grab a bit of something. The bike is perfectly placed - a tiny more blur perhaps would make it even nicer. HCB should have had blur lessons from Knarf. har! ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/14/2012 3:31 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: ... I find it extremely satisfying when my images come out the way I envisioned them when I hit the shutter button. Isn't that what most of us want in this thing called photography? That's the impression I was under, but sometimes I wonder. The whole pixel-peeping phenomenon has me flummoxed. -- Walt Good on ya Walt! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - Online critics On 3/14/2012 10:48 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: In a recent thread, many sharply criticized one of the most famous images of AA. Is HCB such a god that he is beyond criticism? I don't think that's really the issue here. Rather, I see two main points: (1) The commenters are oblivious to the fact that it's a famous photograph, showing a weakness in the commenters' understanding of the history of the art form they're critiquing. I see some merit to this argument, but, really, all of us have to decide where to focus our attention, and we all have strengths, weaknesses, and gaps in our knowledge. As a neophyte, this is something I can appreciate more than most on the list, I suppose. That's why I'm so hesitant to offer critiques on others' works and instead choose to learn from the critiques that others offer. A case in point: Mark's photo of the columns from a few days ago. My eye really wanted to see that image in a horizontal perspective. But, after looking at it again, I understood that it simply wouldn't have worked nearly as well that way -- perhaps for the very fact that it would have been a concession to the eye's natural inclination. (2) Most of the complaints were about the technical quality, particularly sharpness. This illustrates a widespread belief, especially in this sort of Internet forum, that perfect technical quality is essential to a good photograph. If that's someone's well-considered belief, fine, but it seems like a lot of people hold this belief without really thinking about it, or without appreciating how many of photography's past works would be rejected under it. Today I was engaged in a discussion about whether the Nikon D700 and D800 are suitable for making large prints (in the sense of Maybe the D800 is, but maybe not the D700.) My response was that if that kind of statement seems reasonable to you, you're saying there haven't been many adequate prints in the history of photography. It's a narrow technical view that, even I as a sensor and instrumentation geek, am getting weary of. I'm glad for the ever-increasing capabilities of our equipment, but at some point you need to just look at the picture! This phenomenon actually makes me revel in my blissful ignorance. Not having any preconceived notions of what a photo should look like when I take it, I tend to gravitate toward taking photos that look how I want them to look. Having a great deal of technical knowledge can obviously help to achieve that end, obviously. But, there's a certain freedom in not being burdened with the strictures of technical perfection. That's not to say I wouldn't love to have all the knowledge that the gearheads on the list have; it would certainly help me to cut back on the number of clunkers I shoot. But, for the time being, I find it extremely satisfying when my images come out the way I envisioned them when I hit the shutter button. And if that turns out to be pretty crappy, at least I'll know the problem is in my eye and not the camera -- which is a much less expensive problem to fix. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/14/2012 17:43, Larry Colen wrote: On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote: I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the stature of the photographer. Tom C. Maybe, but how does the photographer get his stature in the first place, if all he produces is pure schmuck? Ask Peter Lik. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est ' aag! that would involve listening to him ! help! ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
