Re: OT Cloud storage

[Alex Sarbu]

Hello,
I'm trying to choose a cloud storage myself. Crashplan sounds
interesting if you have large amount of data - though, how large is
"unlimited"?
Cloud is nothing more than "someone else's computer"; trust is very
important, as Bill pointed out.

How I'm planning to do it: I bought a NAS unit (a QNAP TS431p,
inexpensive but can do a lot) for main, redundant storage. With the
ongoing ransomware epidemics, I want to give my PC as little access as
possible to the data (which a DAS or external drives can't do).
That cheap NAS has tons of neat features, I still have a lot to
explore. For example, it's now getting snapshots - the ability to
revert your data to just before that ransomware encrypted it. It can
also detect silent data corruption using RAID scrubbing (only with
non-degraded RAID 5 and 6 arrays - and some would say ZFS is a better
solution), and being a NAS I can access it from anywhere (even from my
mobile). It has sync folders between multiple devices - with
versioning.

The NAS unit itself can take care of backups, on external drives and
on the cloud.
As for a cloud, I've made no choice yet, I was thinking about Amazon
Glacier as I wouldn't need fast data access - nor something like an
"unlimited" storage.

I cannot stress enough the threat of ransomware (or other forms of
data corruption). Backups are useless if corrupted data overwrites
good data - use backup with versioning.
And use at least 2 backups - main storage, even on a NAS with
redundancy, doesn't count as a backup.

Have fun,
Alex

On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 4:50 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> I have been using multiple ext hard drives for my back ups mostly
> phots and  documents. I'm going to have to purge somethings next year,
> running out of HD space probably by mid 2018 at current shooting rate.
> U have everything on the Ext but would like to put it al in one spot
> as well. One of our camera club members uses Crashplan but just
> wondering what others can recommend to me. Crash plan does not offer
> individual storage anymore just business but its $10 a month for
> unlimited storage so its got that going for it.
>
>
> Dave
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Re: OT Cloud storage

[John]

On 11/18/2017 09:50, David J Brooks wrote:

I have been using multiple ext hard drives for my back ups mostly
phots and  documents. I'm going to have to purge somethings next year,
running out of HD space probably by mid 2018 at current shooting rate.
U have everything on the Ext but would like to put it al in one spot
as well. One of our camera club members uses Crashplan but just
wondering what others can recommend to me. Crash plan does not offer
individual storage anymore just business but its $10 a month for
unlimited storage so its got that going for it.


Dave



External hard drives are *REALLY* cheap.

The only problem I know of with Crashplan is the initial backups can sometimes 
take a long time.


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Re: OT Cloud storage

[Ken Waller]

Dave, with external hard drive costs being as cheap as they are, I'd suggest 
the hard drive as the way to go.

A Lacie HD 1TB recently cost me around $80.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks" <pentko...@gmail.com>

Subject: OT Cloud storage



I have been using multiple ext hard drives for my back ups mostly
phots and  documents. I'm going to have to purge somethings next year,
running out of HD space probably by mid 2018 at current shooting rate.
U have everything on the Ext but would like to put it al in one spot
as well. One of our camera club members uses Crashplan but just
wondering what others can recommend to me. Crash plan does not offer
individual storage anymore just business but its $10 a month for
unlimited storage so its got that going for it.


Dave
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Documenting Life in Rural Ontario.
www.caughtinmotion.com
http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/
York Region, Ontario, Canada



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Re: OT Cloud storage

[Paul Stenquist]

I use 8 external spinny drives but I usually have only four or five active. Two 
are for current photos. The others are archives. Critical current work is also 
backed up on iCloud and/or Dropbox. SSDs are growing more affordable
So I think my next two photo drives will be of that ilk,
Paul

> On Nov 19, 2017, at 1:33 AM, David Mann  wrote:
> 
> I use two external HDs.  One sits next to the computer and the other is in a 
> separate building in case of burglary or fire taking out #1.  I sync them 
> occasionally.  I use them for photos and as Time Machine backups.
> 
> If I ever come close to running out of space I'll buy new drives.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2017, at 3:50 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> 
>> I have been using multiple ext hard drives for my back ups mostly
>> phots and  documents. I'm going to have to purge somethings next year,
>> running out of HD space probably by mid 2018 at current shooting rate.
>> U have everything on the Ext but would like to put it al in one spot
>> as well. One of our camera club members uses Crashplan but just
>> wondering what others can recommend to me. Crash plan does not offer
>> individual storage anymore just business but its $10 a month for
>> unlimited storage so its got that going for it.
>> 
>> 
>> Dave
>> -- 
>> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario.
>> www.caughtinmotion.com
>> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/
>> York Region, Ontario, Canada
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Re: OT Cloud storage

[David Mann]

I use two external HDs.  One sits next to the computer and the other is in a 
separate building in case of burglary or fire taking out #1.  I sync them 
occasionally.  I use them for photos and as Time Machine backups.

If I ever come close to running out of space I'll buy new drives.

Cheers,
Dave

> On Nov 19, 2017, at 3:50 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> I have been using multiple ext hard drives for my back ups mostly
> phots and  documents. I'm going to have to purge somethings next year,
> running out of HD space probably by mid 2018 at current shooting rate.
> U have everything on the Ext but would like to put it al in one spot
> as well. One of our camera club members uses Crashplan but just
> wondering what others can recommend to me. Crash plan does not offer
> individual storage anymore just business but its $10 a month for
> unlimited storage so its got that going for it.
> 
> 
> Dave
> -- 
> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario.
> www.caughtinmotion.com
> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/
> York Region, Ontario, Canada
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Re: OT Cloud storage

[Bob W-PDML]

I use OneDrive as my working storage* and offsite backup. Microsoft are 
unlikely to go bust overnight - people will have time to sort out an 
alternative.

I also backup periodically (using Synctoy) to a USB drive which I then 
disconnect, to reduce the risk of infection from the laptop, if the hackers get 
in. Synctoy just copies, it doesn't use a mysterious backup format, so it's 
easy to verify that it has worked, and is restorable.

* throwback to my COBOL days...

> On 18 Nov 2017, at 15:06, William Robb  wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 8:52 AM David J Brooks  wrote:
>> 
>> I have been using multiple ext hard drives for my back ups mostly
>> phots and  documents. I'm going to have to purge somethings next year,
>> running out of HD space probably by mid 2018 at current shooting rate.
>> U have everything on the Ext but would like to put it al in one spot
>> as well. One of our camera club members uses Crashplan but just
>> wondering what others can recommend to me. Crash plan does not offer
>> individual storage anymore just business but its $10 a month for
>> unlimited storage so its got that going for it.
>> 
> 
> The problem with cloud storage is that it is only as secure as the company
> doing the storage. If it goes out of business, or gets hacked, etc, your
> data might just disappear.
> I’ve been using Drobos for over a decade now. I’m on unit two now because
> the first one was a USB-1, and was getting too slow with data writing as
> files got larger.
> I think the one I have now is a Drobo 5d. They seem reliable, and are
> infinitely expandable by increasing drive capacity. They offer double disc
> redundancy, so if two drives kaak, you don’t lose anything, though this
> comes at the expense of capacity.
> 
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Re: OT Cloud storage

[William Robb]

On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 8:52 AM David J Brooks  wrote:

> I have been using multiple ext hard drives for my back ups mostly
> phots and  documents. I'm going to have to purge somethings next year,
> running out of HD space probably by mid 2018 at current shooting rate.
> U have everything on the Ext but would like to put it al in one spot
> as well. One of our camera club members uses Crashplan but just
> wondering what others can recommend to me. Crash plan does not offer
> individual storage anymore just business but its $10 a month for
> unlimited storage so its got that going for it.
>

The problem with cloud storage is that it is only as secure as the company
doing the storage. If it goes out of business, or gets hacked, etc, your
data might just disappear.
I’ve been using Drobos for over a decade now. I’m on unit two now because
the first one was a USB-1, and was getting too slow with data writing as
files got larger.
I think the one I have now is a Drobo 5d. They seem reliable, and are
infinitely expandable by increasing drive capacity. They offer double disc
redundancy, so if two drives kaak, you don’t lose anything, though this
comes at the expense of capacity.

bill

>
>
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OT Cloud storage

[David J Brooks]

I have been using multiple ext hard drives for my back ups mostly
phots and  documents. I'm going to have to purge somethings next year,
running out of HD space probably by mid 2018 at current shooting rate.
U have everything on the Ext but would like to put it al in one spot
as well. One of our camera club members uses Crashplan but just
wondering what others can recommend to me. Crash plan does not offer
individual storage anymore just business but its $10 a month for
unlimited storage so its got that going for it.


Dave
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Documenting Life in Rural Ontario.
www.caughtinmotion.com
http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/
York Region, Ontario, Canada

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