Re: OT Mail

[John Sessoms]

I'm down to only 113 unread messages in PDML.

On 1/6/2023 1:30 PM, Comcast wrote:

Check incarceration records.

Paul


On Jan 6, 2023, at 12:46 PM, Bill  wrote:

On 1/6/2023 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

You had to mention Dobo and Mafud?

I try to forget them, but I miss many of the old crew, especially Knarf.

We should make an effort to reach out to them and see what they are doing.

Dan Matyola


You start with Dobo, I'll see if I can find Bruce Rubenstein.

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Re: OT Mail list restrictions

[mike wilson]

To clarify; there used to be (on the PDML.net homepage featuring a cap) a link 
to donate that led you to a page that allowed credit card donations without 
using a PP account.  I can only donate that way.  Even if Doug was willing to 
pass on his bank details, the costs of an international transfer would be 
(probably) as much as the donation.

> On 08/01/2023 22:10 mike wilson  wrote:
> 
>  
> I'm happy to donate if I can use my card via Paypal.  I can't open a PP 
> account.
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Re: OT Mail list restrictions

[mike wilson]

I'm happy to donate if I can use my card via Paypal.  I can't open a PP account.

> On 08/01/2023 08:36 Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
>  
> Hi, Larry.
> 
> Sorry for the slow response. I have been migrating to a new computer and 
> have just today gotten my email client set up, with all that entails.
> 
> Loosening the size restrictions might be possible, but not if there is a 
> significant cost increase. We ran out of money in the pdml account many 
> months ago, and since I haven't identified a method for donation that 
> works for more than a few people I have given up begging and just been 
> eating the bill. I don't know that I'm willing to subsidize more than I 
> have, and allowing larger message sizes/photos on the list would require 
> more storage space that has to be paid for.
> 
> I am, however, willing to listen to reasonable suggestions, as always.
> 
> yr humble svt
> 
> On 1/6/23 9:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> > Doug,
> >
> > Would it be possible to loosen up the length restrictions a bit?
> >
> > It seems odd that even with wordy bastards like Bill and I it was bouncing 
> > messages about three long.
> >
> > Bill,
> > You could send it to me directly:  l...@red4est.com
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Re: OT Mail list restrictions

[Rick Womer]

I would be very glad to contribute, too.

Rick

> On Jan 8, 2023, at 10:17 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> Put out the call Doug I’ll keep donating
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 3:36 AM Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
>> Hi, Larry.
>> 
>> Sorry for the slow response. I have been migrating to a new computer and
>> have just today gotten my email client set up, with all that entails.
>> 
>> Loosening the size restrictions might be possible, but not if there is a
>> significant cost increase. We ran out of money in the pdml account many
>> months ago, and since I haven't identified a method for donation that
>> works for more than a few people I have given up begging and just been
>> eating the bill. I don't know that I'm willing to subsidize more than I
>> have, and allowing larger message sizes/photos on the list would require
>> more storage space that has to be paid for.
>> 
>> I am, however, willing to listen to reasonable suggestions, as always.
>> 
>> yr humble svt
>> 
>> On 1/6/23 9:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> Doug,
>>> 
>>> Would it be possible to loosen up the length restrictions a bit?
>>> 
>>> It seems odd that even with wordy bastards like Bill and I it was
>> bouncing messages about three long.
>>> 
>>> Bill,
>>> You could send it to me directly:  l...@red4est.com
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Re: OT Mail list restrictions

[Larry Colen]

> On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:36 AM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Larry.
> 
> Sorry for the slow response. I have been migrating to a new computer and have 
> just today gotten my email client set up, with all that entails.

You have my empathy.

> 
> Loosening the size restrictions might be possible, but not if there is a 
> significant cost increase. We ran out of money in the pdml account many 
> months ago, and since I haven't identified a method for donation that works 
> for more than a few people I have given up begging and just been eating the 
> bill. I don't know that I'm willing to subsidize more than I have, and 
> allowing larger message sizes/photos on the list would require more storage 
> space that has to be paid for.
> 
> I am, however, willing to listen to reasonable suggestions, as always.

The first suggestion is that you let us know how to send you money.  These days 
there is paypal, zelle, venmo, and I hear that checks sent in the mail stil 
work.  

I've run my own server, I've run lists, I entirely appreciate everything that 
you're doing.

> 
> yr humble svt
> 
> On 1/6/23 9:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> Doug,
>> 
>> Would it be possible to loosen up the length restrictions a bit?
>> 
>> It seems odd that even with wordy bastards like Bill and I it was bouncing 
>> messages about three long.
>> 
>> Bill,
>> You could send it to me directly:  l...@red4est.com
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Re: OT Mail list restrictions

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Doug, 

My last PDML donation was on January 29, 2022, which means it's about time to 
do another donation for the coffers. Please send the appropriate PayPal link to 
send a donation to. 

thanks! 

G

> On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:36 AM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Larry.
> 
> Sorry for the slow response. I have been migrating to a new computer and have 
> just today gotten my email client set up, with all that entails.
> 
> Loosening the size restrictions might be possible, but not if there is a 
> significant cost increase. We ran out of money in the pdml account many 
> months ago, and since I haven't identified a method for donation that works 
> for more than a few people I have given up begging and just been eating the 
> bill. I don't know that I'm willing to subsidize more than I have, and 
> allowing larger message sizes/photos on the list would require more storage 
> space that has to be paid for.
> 
> I am, however, willing to listen to reasonable suggestions, as always.
> 
> yr humble svt
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Re: OT Mail list restrictions

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 08.01.23 um 16:17 schrieb David J Brooks:

Put out the call Doug I’ll keep donating


What's the address again?

Ralf

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Re: OT Mail list restrictions

[David J Brooks]

Put out the call Doug I’ll keep donating

Dave

On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 3:36 AM Doug Brewer  wrote:

> Hi, Larry.
>
> Sorry for the slow response. I have been migrating to a new computer and
> have just today gotten my email client set up, with all that entails.
>
> Loosening the size restrictions might be possible, but not if there is a
> significant cost increase. We ran out of money in the pdml account many
> months ago, and since I haven't identified a method for donation that
> works for more than a few people I have given up begging and just been
> eating the bill. I don't know that I'm willing to subsidize more than I
> have, and allowing larger message sizes/photos on the list would require
> more storage space that has to be paid for.
>
> I am, however, willing to listen to reasonable suggestions, as always.
>
> yr humble svt
>
> On 1/6/23 9:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> > Doug,
> >
> > Would it be possible to loosen up the length restrictions a bit?
> >
> > It seems odd that even with wordy bastards like Bill and I it was
> bouncing messages about three long.
> >
> > Bill,
> > You could send it to me directly:  l...@red4est.com
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Re: OT Mail list restrictions

[Doug Brewer]

Hi, Larry.

Sorry for the slow response. I have been migrating to a new computer and 
have just today gotten my email client set up, with all that entails.


Loosening the size restrictions might be possible, but not if there is a 
significant cost increase. We ran out of money in the pdml account many 
months ago, and since I haven't identified a method for donation that 
works for more than a few people I have given up begging and just been 
eating the bill. I don't know that I'm willing to subsidize more than I 
have, and allowing larger message sizes/photos on the list would require 
more storage space that has to be paid for.


I am, however, willing to listen to reasonable suggestions, as always.

yr humble svt

On 1/6/23 9:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Doug,

Would it be possible to loosen up the length restrictions a bit?

It seems odd that even with wordy bastards like Bill and I it was bouncing 
messages about three long.

Bill,
You could send it to me directly:  l...@red4est.com

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Re: OT Mail list restrictions

[Larry Colen]

Doug,

Would it be possible to loosen up the length restrictions a bit?  

It seems odd that even with wordy bastards like Bill and I it was bouncing 
messages about three long.

Bill,
You could send it to me directly:  l...@red4est.com

> On Jan 6, 2023, at 6:27 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 1/6/2023 8:24 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2023, at 6:22 PM, Bill  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 1/6/2023 7:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well Larry, I've tried twice to respond to you, both got bounces because 
>>> this list thinks 10kb is too big to post to the list.
>>> This may have made sense when everyone was on dial up, but it's a 
>>> ridiculously small number these days when everyone is on high speed 
>>> internet.
>>> It may or may not make it through eventually, but I've spent more time than 
>>> I care to in paring it down to what appears to be acceptable.
>> Yeah, we’re both a bit wordy and I should have trimmed all the cruft from 
>> earlier in the discussion.
>> 
>> Top Posting
>> What’s the biggest problem with following email conversations today?
> I tried that with my second post. It didn't help.
> 
> bill
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Re: OT Mail

[Bill]

On 1/6/2023 8:24 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



On Jan 6, 2023, at 6:22 PM, Bill  wrote:

On 1/6/2023 7:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Well Larry, I've tried twice to respond to you, both got bounces because this 
list thinks 10kb is too big to post to the list.
This may have made sense when everyone was on dial up, but it's a ridiculously 
small number these days when everyone is on high speed internet.
It may or may not make it through eventually, but I've spent more time than I 
care to in paring it down to what appears to be acceptable.

Yeah, we’re both a bit wordy and I should have trimmed all the cruft from 
earlier in the discussion.

Top Posting
What’s the biggest problem with following email conversations today?

I tried that with my second post. It didn't help.

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Re: OT Mail

[Larry Colen]

> On Jan 6, 2023, at 6:22 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 1/6/2023 7:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> Well Larry, I've tried twice to respond to you, both got bounces because this 
> list thinks 10kb is too big to post to the list.
> This may have made sense when everyone was on dial up, but it's a 
> ridiculously small number these days when everyone is on high speed internet.
> It may or may not make it through eventually, but I've spent more time than I 
> care to in paring it down to what appears to be acceptable.

Yeah, we’re both a bit wordy and I should have trimmed all the cruft from 
earlier in the discussion.

Top Posting
What’s the biggest problem with following email conversations today?


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Re: OT Mail

[Bill]

On 1/6/2023 7:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Well Larry, I've tried twice to respond to you, both got bounces because 
this list thinks 10kb is too big to post to the list.
This may have made sense when everyone was on dial up, but it's a 
ridiculously small number these days when everyone is on high speed 
internet.
It may or may not make it through eventually, but I've spent more time 
than I care to in paring it down to what appears to be acceptable.


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Re: OT Mail

[Larry Colen]

I joined this group about 12 years ago, just exactly too late to submit to the 
first annual. 

Back then I had been active on the dpreview pentax forum, and dpr did something 
particularly annoying, I don’t remember what, a squirrel may have been 
involved.  My impression of online photo fora at that point was pretty much 
that people who had figured out some of the basics of manual exposure three 
months before were at the peak of their Dunning-Kruger confidence and would 
share their extensive knowledge, some of which was based in reality,  with 
people who had bought a digital camera three weeks before and would ask 
questions like “why should I shoot raw?”, “What’s an f-stop?”, and “Do I need a 
tripod?”.  
At the time I had only been doing photography about 40 years, and it was nice 
to find a group where a significant number of members made me seem 
inexperienced, and only a couple of people had repeated the same year of 
experience 50 or more times.

> On Jan 6, 2023, at 3:56 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 1/6/2023 4:41 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
>> I wish there were more people actively participating here. Looking into the 
>> archives at pdml.net , on this date ten years ago there 
>> were 63 messages. Yesterday there was one.
>> 
>> Rick
> Go back 20 years and there were probably 200 posts.
> 
> When I joined the list in 1999 it was a vibrant and sometimes raucous 
> community that was focused on Pentax camera equipment and photography. There 
> was very little discussion outside of those subjects, and we had a lot to say.
> As a group, we have taken our eyes off the ball in that regard. There is very 
> little Pentax or photography discussion these days.

I do find it frustrating that where I used to get a lot of useful critique of 
my own photos, and even see useful critique of other people’s photos, at most 
there might be an occasional “nice photo”.

> 
> The introduction of new lenses passes most people by, it seems. When the DFA* 
> 50/1.4 was released in 2018, we barely murmured about it even though it is 
> among the best lenses in it's class.

That may be, but in my case I already had an FA 50/1.4 and I rarely lost shots 
because they weren’t sharp enough to cut myself shaving.  It’s good enough, and 
I spent my money on lenses that would take photos that ones I already had 
couldn’t. 
> The same with the DA*85/1.4 in 2020. This lens is the best 85mm lens 
> available on the market, but other than a couple of posts from people who 
> have purchased one, crickets.

This is one that interests me, but at the moment it doesn’t interest me $1900 
worth. It also looks like it weighs a ton, I’ll make do with my 77/1.8 for now, 
not quite as long or as fast, but a lot smaller, and I love that 77 pixie dust.

> Did anyone here actually notice the DFA21mm LTD that was released last year?

I noticed it, I already have lenses that will do what it does, maybe not quite 
as well, but they do other things better.  

> 
> How about the K3III? Does anyone here really give two fucks about it? It's 
> one of the best APS-C cameras on the market and probably will be the last 
> APS-C SLR that anyone will release for the next decade, and then it will be 
> another Pentax because no one else will be making SLRs by then.
I’d love to have one, and have been tempted, but when it came out I was 
unemployed and broke, now that I’m employed and less broke, I haven’t had time 
to take photos.  Note that my total collection of keeper candidate photos last 
year was 11 frames, I used to get that many photos of that quality in a month. 

> 
> How about the updates to the 31, 43 and 77mm lenses that were introduced last 
> year? Did anyone here give enough of a fuck about it to start a thread about 
> them?

I already have a 31,43 and 77.  The 43 and 77 are two of my favorite lenses.  
Trading up for a little bit nicer coating just wasn’t worth the money.  If I 
were buying them new, I’d be very interested.  If they released them with the 
coating and weather sealing, I’d be interested. 

> 
> We are supposed to be about Pentax cameras and photography, but we talk about 
> neither for the most part.

This thread is a case in point.

> 
> The honest truth is that this list is no longer relevant for anyone 
> interested in Pentax or photography.

Not entirely true, and some of us may not be as relevant to photography as we 
once were.

> 
> The world has moved on from email lists to online forums. Do a non specific 
> search for anything related to discussing Pentax cameras and the PDML doesn't 
> show up unless you type in Pentax discuss, and then it's on page 2 of Google. 
> In other words, you have to know this list exists to find it.
> Have we even had a new member join in the last 5 years and if so has that 
> person stuck around for more than a couple of posts?

This is an important point.  How many people actively invite new people to join.

On top of that, I’ve maintained contact with some of the friends I

Re: OT Mail

[Steve Cottrell]

On 6 Jan 2023, at 23:56, Bill  wrote:

As a group, we have taken our eyes off the ball 

[snip]



Funny how I get drawn into reading all the irrelevant shit, quietly from the 
sidelines.

But I mostly agree.

My only Pentax use is a 50/1.4 and A*84/1.4 on an Oly Pen F. If Pentax made a 
mirrorless camera as sexy as the Pen F, I’d be all over it like a rash.

They don’t, and I’m not.

I did buy an OM-D EM-1 mark II purely for video use and it’s an amazing piece 
of equipment, absolutely love it.

Sigh.

As you were,

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Re: OT Mail

[Bill]

On 1/6/2023 4:41 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

I wish there were more people actively participating here. Looking into the archives 
at pdml.net , on this date ten years ago there were 63 
messages. Yesterday there was one.

Rick
As an adendum to this, look at the participation in the PUG. When I was 
the gallery maintainer 20 years ago we were posting 70 or more images a 
month. This month, less than 20.


It's just where the PDML is at. The list is dying a slow death.

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[Bill]

On 1/6/2023 4:41 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

I wish there were more people actively participating here. Looking into the archives 
at pdml.net , on this date ten years ago there were 63 
messages. Yesterday there was one.

Rick

Go back 20 years and there were probably 200 posts.

When I joined the list in 1999 it was a vibrant and sometimes raucous 
community that was focused on Pentax camera equipment and photography. 
There was very little discussion outside of those subjects, and we had a 
lot to say.
As a group, we have taken our eyes off the ball in that regard. There is 
very little Pentax or photography discussion these days.


The introduction of new lenses passes most people by, it seems. When the 
DFA* 50/1.4 was released in 2018, we barely murmured about it even 
though it is among the best lenses in it's class. The same with the 
DA*85/1.4 in 2020. This lens is the best 85mm lens available on the 
market, but other than a couple of posts from people who have purchased 
one, crickets.


Did anyone here actually notice the DFA21mm LTD that was released last 
year?


How about the K3III? Does anyone here really give two fucks about it? 
It's one of the best APS-C cameras on the market and probably will be 
the last APS-C SLR that anyone will release for the next decade, and 
then it will be another Pentax because no one else will be making SLRs 
by then.


How about the updates to the 31, 43 and 77mm lenses that were introduced 
last year? Did anyone here give enough of a fuck about it to start a 
thread about them?


We are supposed to be about Pentax cameras and photography, but we talk 
about neither for the most part.


The honest truth is that this list is no longer relevant for anyone 
interested in Pentax or photography.


The world has moved on from email lists to online forums. Do a non 
specific search for anything related to discussing Pentax cameras and 
the PDML doesn't show up unless you type in Pentax discuss, and then 
it's on page 2 of Google. In other words, you have to know this list 
exists to find it.
Have we even had a new member join in the last 5 years and if so has 
that person stuck around for more than a couple of posts?


We don't talk about what we are purportedly here to talk about, and what 
we talk about is, to be kind, pretty mundane shit for the most part. 
We've become comfortable with silence, and so have become silent.


For myself, I've pretty much moved on. I'm very active on PentaxForums. 
I recently took on the task of Moderator over there.


I suspect I'm not alone in this (other than being crazy enough to want 
to be a forum moderator). We've just gotten bored, have found other 
things to do that mean more to us and concentrate our time on anything 
but the PDML.


We have become a small closed door social club in the basement of a 
burnt out building in a ghost town.


I want to talk about Pentax. I want to talk about photography, and when 
I try to do it here I may as well be talking into a vacuum.


Sadly, the PDML has become boring and irrelevant, and that is reflected 
in the activity shown on it.


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Re: OT Mail

[Comcast]

The list was originally about Pentax gear and photography. With new Pentax 
products few and far between and many members shooting other brands, there’s 
little to talk about. And there’s Facebook where photos usually garner more 
interest.

Paul

> On Jan 6, 2023, at 5:41 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> I wish there were more people actively participating here. Looking into the 
> archives at pdml.net , on this date ten years ago there 
> were 63 messages. Yesterday there was one.
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2023, at 9:03 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> 
>> It's been cloudy and rainy for the past 3-4 days, what a great time to sit
>> down and go through 37K of gmail's and delete.
>> Some of my pdml ones date back to dec 2010
>> 
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Re: OT Mail

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 5:41 PM Rick Womer  wrote:

> I wish there were more people actively participating here. Looking into
> the archives at pdml.net , on this date ten years ago
> there were 63 messages. Yesterday there was one


Rick I also noticed on the 2010 messages mostly gear talk few picture
sharing

Dave

>
>
> Rick
>
> > On Jan 4, 2023, at 9:03 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> >
> > It's been cloudy and rainy for the past 3-4 days, what a great time to
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> > Some of my pdml ones date back to dec 2010
> >
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Re: OT Mail

[Rick Womer]

I wish there were more people actively participating here. Looking into the 
archives at pdml.net , on this date ten years ago there were 
63 messages. Yesterday there was one.

Rick

> On Jan 4, 2023, at 9:03 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> It's been cloudy and rainy for the past 3-4 days, what a great time to sit
> down and go through 37K of gmail's and delete.
> Some of my pdml ones date back to dec 2010
> 
> Dave(tired mouse finger) brooks
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Re: OT Mail

[Comcast]

Check incarceration records.

Paul

> On Jan 6, 2023, at 12:46 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 1/6/2023 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> You had to mention Dobo and Mafud?
>> 
>> I try to forget them, but I miss many of the old crew, especially Knarf.
>> 
>> We should make an effort to reach out to them and see what they are doing.
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> 
> You start with Dobo, I'll see if I can find Bruce Rubenstein.
> 
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Re: OT Mail

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 12:29 PM Daniel J. Matyola 
wrote:

> You had to mention Dobo and Mafud?
>

I mailed Dobo a Pentax poster, i was the TOPDML contact so I was worried
because I put my return address on the tube. He only lived, so he siad, a 2
hour drive from me.

>
> I try to forget them, but I miss many of the old crew, especially Knarf.
>

I reached out to Frank in the fall, the email did not bounce but no reply

Dave

>
> We should make an effort to reach out to them and see what they are doing.
>
> Dan Matyola
> *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
> *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: OT Mail

[Bill]

On 1/6/2023 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

You had to mention Dobo and Mafud?

I try to forget them, but I miss many of the old crew, especially Knarf.

We should make an effort to reach out to them and see what they are doing.

Dan Matyola


You start with Dobo, I'll see if I can find Bruce Rubenstein.

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Re: OT Mail

[Bob W PDML]

If you want to reach out to Dobo and Mafud you should probably wait until 31 
October and do it from the safety of a pentagram drawn on the floor, with a 
fistful of candlesticks and a large bucket of holy water at the ready.

> On 6 Jan 2023, at 17:29, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> You had to mention Dobo and Mafud?
> 
> I try to forget them, but I miss many of the old crew, especially Knarf.
> 
> We should make an effort to reach out to them and see what they are doing.
> 
> Dan Matyola
> *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
> *
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 12:09 PM Bill  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 1/4/2023 8:03 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>> It's been cloudy and rainy for the past 3-4 days, what a great time to
>> sit
>>> down and go through 37K of gmail's and delete.
>>> Some of my pdml ones date back to dec 2010
>>> 
>>> Dave(tired mouse finger) brooks
>>> 
>> I've got every email I've either sent or received from the list since
>> the day I joined in 1999.
>> Sometimes when I want a laugh, or just to reminisce,  I go back and read
>> some of those old emails from whowhowho, or Mafud, Pseudo Mafud, Greene,
>> Dobo, and all the people who were my best internet friends.
>> 
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Re: OT Mail

[Daniel J. Matyola]

You had to mention Dobo and Mafud?

I try to forget them, but I miss many of the old crew, especially Knarf.

We should make an effort to reach out to them and see what they are doing.

Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 12:09 PM Bill  wrote:

> On 1/4/2023 8:03 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
> > It's been cloudy and rainy for the past 3-4 days, what a great time to
> sit
> > down and go through 37K of gmail's and delete.
> > Some of my pdml ones date back to dec 2010
> >
> > Dave(tired mouse finger) brooks
> >
> I've got every email I've either sent or received from the list since
> the day I joined in 1999.
> Sometimes when I want a laugh, or just to reminisce,  I go back and read
> some of those old emails from whowhowho, or Mafud, Pseudo Mafud, Greene,
> Dobo, and all the people who were my best internet friends.
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Re: OT Mail

[Bill]

On 1/6/2023 11:22 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

Lol maybe I should go back and read some I’m only using 9’5 gig of 15

Dave


Some of the really old stuff is a hoot. There was a lot of feistiness 
and free flowing testosterone back in the day.


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Re: OT Mail

[Bob W PDML]

> On 6 Jan 2023, at 17:09, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 1/4/2023 8:03 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>> It's been cloudy and rainy for the past 3-4 days, what a great time to sit
>> down and go through 37K of gmail's and delete.
>> Some of my pdml ones date back to dec 2010
>> 
>> Dave(tired mouse finger) brooks
>> 
> I've got every email I've either sent or received from the list since the day 
> I joined in 1999.
> Sometimes when I want a laugh, or just to reminisce,  I go back and read some 
> of those old emails from whowhowho, or Mafud, Pseudo Mafud, Greene, Dobo, and 
> all the people who were my best internet friends.

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Re: OT Mail

[David J Brooks]

Lol maybe I should go back and read some I’m only using 9’5 gig of 15

Dave

On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 12:09 PM Bill  wrote:

> On 1/4/2023 8:03 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
> > It's been cloudy and rainy for the past 3-4 days, what a great time to
> sit
> > down and go through 37K of gmail's and delete.
> > Some of my pdml ones date back to dec 2010
> >
> > Dave(tired mouse finger) brooks
> >
> I've got every email I've either sent or received from the list since
> the day I joined in 1999.
> Sometimes when I want a laugh, or just to reminisce,  I go back and read
> some of those old emails from whowhowho, or Mafud, Pseudo Mafud, Greene,
> Dobo, and all the people who were my best internet friends.
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Re: OT Mail

[Bill]

On 1/4/2023 8:03 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

It's been cloudy and rainy for the past 3-4 days, what a great time to sit
down and go through 37K of gmail's and delete.
Some of my pdml ones date back to dec 2010

Dave(tired mouse finger) brooks

I've got every email I've either sent or received from the list since 
the day I joined in 1999.
Sometimes when I want a laugh, or just to reminisce,  I go back and read 
some of those old emails from whowhowho, or Mafud, Pseudo Mafud, Greene, 
Dobo, and all the people who were my best internet friends.


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OT Mail

[David J Brooks]

It's been cloudy and rainy for the past 3-4 days, what a great time to sit
down and go through 37K of gmail's and delete.
Some of my pdml ones date back to dec 2010

Dave(tired mouse finger) brooks

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Re: OT: Mail Problem

[John]

On 2/23/2017 9:08 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

I agree with your assessment, John. The remote server which is using
the RBL blacklist appears to be cloud6.emwd.com, run by Emerging
Markets Web Design LLC., and I assume that the pdml list handling is
hosted there.

Those RBL things are a very stupid blunt instrument. Better anti-spam
systems either don't use them at all or at worst use their input to
influence the spam determination a small amount.

Have you reported this issue to Earthlink? Their admins should be
soliciting that RBL host to take their servers off the list. Earthlink
may not be aware they are on the list.




I haven't reported it yet. I wanted to be sure I had the facts straight
before doing so.

As noted, it only appears to apply to a single IP address.

I'll report it later today when I have time to spend on the phone with them.



On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 8:45 PM, John  wrote:

I got a second bounce message, and I want to be sure I understand what's
going on.

The message reads:

SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO::
host pdml.net [192.151.138.19]: 550-"JunkMail rejected -
elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net
550-[209.86.89.63]:41905 is in an RBL,

Am I correct that this is from the PDML server and it's telling me the
mail server at Earthlink with the IP address 209.86.89.63 is blacklisted?

I've looked at my full headers and it appears Earthlink has a pool of
servers & messages go through a random server when I send email. So far
both bounce messages have both been for "elasmtp-junco.atl.sa ...".

I think it's only the one IP address that's blacklisted. The others seem
to be getting through.

At least they didn't blacklist the whole domain like they did with
Time-Warner's mail servers.

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Re: OT: Mail Problem

[Bruce Walker]

I agree with your assessment, John. The remote server which is using
the RBL blacklist appears to be cloud6.emwd.com, run by Emerging
Markets Web Design LLC., and I assume that the pdml list handling is
hosted there.

Those RBL things are a very stupid blunt instrument. Better anti-spam
systems either don't use them at all or at worst use their input to
influence the spam determination a small amount.

Have you reported this issue to Earthlink? Their admins should be
soliciting that RBL host to take their servers off the list. Earthlink
may not be aware they are on the list.


On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 8:45 PM, John  wrote:
> I got a second bounce message, and I want to be sure I understand what's
> going on.
>
> The message reads:
>
> SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO::
> host pdml.net [192.151.138.19]: 550-"JunkMail rejected -
> elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net
> 550-[209.86.89.63]:41905 is in an RBL,
>
> Am I correct that this is from the PDML server and it's telling me the
> mail server at Earthlink with the IP address 209.86.89.63 is blacklisted?
>
> I've looked at my full headers and it appears Earthlink has a pool of
> servers & messages go through a random server when I send email. So far
> both bounce messages have both been for "elasmtp-junco.atl.sa ...".
>
> I think it's only the one IP address that's blacklisted. The others seem
> to be getting through.
>
> At least they didn't blacklist the whole domain like they did with
> Time-Warner's mail servers.
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OT: Mail Problem

[John]

I got a second bounce message, and I want to be sure I understand what's 
going on.


The message reads:

SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO::
host pdml.net [192.151.138.19]: 550-"JunkMail rejected - 
elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net

550-[209.86.89.63]:41905 is in an RBL,

Am I correct that this is from the PDML server and it's telling me the
mail server at Earthlink with the IP address 209.86.89.63 is blacklisted?

I've looked at my full headers and it appears Earthlink has a pool of
servers & messages go through a random server when I send email. So far
both bounce messages have both been for "elasmtp-junco.atl.sa ...".

I think it's only the one IP address that's blacklisted. The others seem
to be getting through.

At least they didn't blacklist the whole domain like they did with
Time-Warner's mail servers.

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Re: OT - Mail list hiccups

[frank theriault]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:19:52 -0800, Bruce Dayton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  I don't know which is worse, the spammers,
> spyware or viruses.  Boy the internet is a lovely place!

Can't live with it, can't live without it, eh?  

-frank



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OT - Mail list hiccups

[Bruce Dayton]

Thanks to all who responded to me directly concerning missing
messages.  I ended up having a span of about 12 hours where no list
messages came through from 11:00 am to 11:00 pm Pacific Daylight Time
here in California.

Messages are continuing to trickle through now, so hopefully things
are as good as they are going to get.  Sure wish the email problems
could be resolved.  It has been suggested that perhaps some of this
has to do with anti-spamming technologies introduced on mail servers.
This I could believe.  I don't know which is worse, the spammers,
spyware or viruses.  Boy the internet is a lovely place!

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OT: Mail problem and eekBay question

[Don Sanderson]

My email has been broken since about 2:30AM (US Central),
if you tried to send to me I didn't get it.
It's back now but all those emails went to never-never land.

A quick question for fellow eBayers:
If I do a search in say, the Pentax lens catagory, I get only 
listings that are in US/Canadian/Australian dollars.
If an item is in GBP for example it will not show in my search.
I have my preferences set to show all items and currencies.
Any ideas? This causes me to miss a lot of GB items.
I see them when browsing but not in a search result.

TIA
Don

Re: OT: mail-archive.com

[Shel Belinkoff]

Not for those of us who read your message, or who are familiar with
those lenses.

"Juan J. Buhler" wrote:


> Think of all the bargain K85 and K30s that will go unbought because of
> the lack of a PDML archive!

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Re: OT: mail-archive.com

[Juan J. Buhler]

On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote:

> I agree.  I have a PDML Mail folder with lots of sub-folders.  But sometimes
> you don't know in advance that you'll want to read it later.

A few months ago, when I found the K85/1.8 for $170 dollars, I didn't
really know how good the lens was. The price seemed low for an 85mm,
but still I wasn't sure how much of a bargain that was. I went to the
nearest public library (I was in another town) and looked it up in the
PDML archives. Found a few references to that lens and to the K30/2.8
I had just also seen for $99. Needless to say, I got them both.

Think of all the bargain K85 and K30s that will go unbought because of
the lack of a PDML archive!

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Re: OT: mail-archive.com

[Juan J. Buhler]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Joseph Tainter wrote:

> ...is off in la-la land again. Now that I know how it works I can't even
> bash Doug anymore. So I have re-subscribed. We'll see how bad the deluge
> is.

The big problem with mail-archive.com going down is not the people who
read the list on the web (you can always subscribe) but all the
knowledge that goes away with the lack of a reliable archive. I keep
trying to go to past topics for reference, with no luck after
mail-archive started failing.

j

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