Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time
The snark is strong with this one. It being Time, I'm not at all surprised that they are ahistorical and inconsistent in their judgement. There were a number of stupid designs for the ages in their list, but then there were a few that were simply ahead of their time, and others that weren't bad in their time but in hindsight were not great and others that were bad only in the opinion of the author. In short Time is now in the running to be a blog on the level of Kenny Boy's. On 8/30/2012 2:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If it makes you feel any better I've always imagined you as a tall thin man in a tux. On 8/30/2012 4:36 PM, Walter Hamler wrote: I'd rather it take of 20 POUNDS! :-) On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, Walt, you seem so much younger the that. Of course, the internet takes off 20 years. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Couldn't be by much. I am 70. Walt On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: You have purchased 5 cars since I last bought one. That must say something about each of us. G Of course, you are not quite as old as I am . . . . Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Whew! None of mine are there. Cars I Have Owned 1962 Chevy Impala SS 1963/64 1957 Mercury Parklane Cruiser 1965 1957 VW Beetle 1966 1968 Toyota Corona 1968 1969 Chevy Townsman SW 1969 1958 Rambler SW 1969 1972 Toyota Corolla 1971 1981 Chevy Malibu SW 1981 1983 Nissan Maxima SW Diesel 1983 1984 Honda CRX 40 th birthday 1982 1973 VW Beetle 1985 1973 VW Camper Van 1986 1990 Plymouth Grand Voyager Mini Van (Mom’s) 1990 1992 Mazda B2000 PU 1994 1990 Chevy Corsica (Rachael’s car) 1996 1983 Chevy Cavalier SW (Nathan’s car) 1997 1992 Buick LeSabre 1998 1996 Olds Cutlass Ciera (Mom’s) 1998 2005 Scion xB 2004 2001 Saturn LW200 SW (Mom’s)2007 2000 Olds Intrique 2009 1999 Saturn SW2 SW 2011 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS 2011 2012 Hyundai Sonata (Mom’s) 2012 2013 Hyundai Elantra GT 2012 May there be no more On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/30/2012 6:13 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 30, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Darren Addy wrote: The Maserati, with apologies to Joe Walsh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiORhKnwXF4 re: The Yugo There is one that my coworker drives an hour to work (each way) every day M-F. Here it is, with him at the wheel, in acton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JftYNIbXLAk Some years ago I was talking with a couple at a party. They had had a Fiat whcih pretty much lived up to Fiats reputation for reliability, but had recently traded it in on a new car. I congratulated them and commented that the only thing less reliable than a Fiat was a Yugo, which was a Fiat made by communists. The crestfallen look of dismay on their faces was priceless. Yes, they had replaced their Fiat with a Yugo. I once witnessed the bumper fall off a brand new Yugo while it was just sitting on the dealers lot. Impressively bad quality control. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Genetically modified in the worst way. They took out the truly SAAB substituted inserted Opel. John Mullan '77 99, '80 900, '86 9000t -Original Message- From: Brian Walters Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 6:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time Quoting steve harley p...@paper-ape.com: on 2012-08-30 22:06 J.C. O'Connell wrote I have owned about 7 cars in my life, all american and all held up pretty well. No imports for me. i've managed to steer clear of anything domestic, or on that list; got my driver's license at 30, at which time i already owned a 1970 saab 95 wagon; since then i've had a 1982 honda accord hatch, 1987 saab 900s, and 1992 saab 900t since June i haven't owned a car and it's alright; i may buy another pre-GM Saab someday, Saabs have been genetically modified? Those Swedes are pretty clever Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ i had my last one for 15 years and just don't need or want anything else; my partner has had a succession of ancient Toyota Corollas, and is now on her second Audi A4 Avant 1.8T, which is pretty sweet but steers like a racing bike and costs twice as much to maintain as my Saabs did -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2012-09-07 12:15 John Mullan wrote Genetically modified in the worst way. They took out the truly SAAB substituted inserted Opel. John Mullan '77 99, '80 900, '86 9000t cool! we can start the SAAB corner of PDML and challenge the MGB owners to an ice race -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I used to be involved with the Central NY Ice Racing Association. http://www.cnyira.com, then lived too long where it didn't get cold enough. jm -Original Message- From: steve harley Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 2:21 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time on 2012-09-07 12:15 John Mullan wrote Genetically modified in the worst way. They took out the truly SAAB substituted inserted Opel. John Mullan '77 99, '80 900, '86 9000t cool! we can start the SAAB corner of PDML and challenge the MGB owners to an ice race -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Reminds me of many, many years ago, I took my dad's Corvair to an ice race in Penn. to spectate at an ice race. I sat in the car for hours with the engine running so I could get heat (gas was around $0.20/gallon). When I tried to leave, I couldn't drive the car out of the spots where the tires had melted into the ice - had to get help to push it out. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John Mullan k...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time I used to be involved with the Central NY Ice Racing Association. http://www.cnyira.com, then lived too long where it didn't get cold enough. jm -Original Message- From: steve harley Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 2:21 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time on 2012-09-07 12:15 John Mullan wrote Genetically modified in the worst way. They took out the truly SAAB substituted inserted Opel. John Mullan '77 99, '80 900, '86 9000t cool! we can start the SAAB corner of PDML and challenge the MGB owners to an ice race -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/30/2012 9:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. I clicked at random (well, not really at random, but let's say at select few) links in this list. The commentary looked like a pile of bull... E.g. Fiat Multipla was pretty much revolutionary, as at the size of the regular footprint they gave you 6 seat car. Not once and not twice I considered getting Honda FRV which is pretty much the same - 6 seats, regular size. And also, these are not worst cars of all times. These are cars produced by very specific countries that are deemed so. Believe me, in USSR we produced some good cars. But some others were certainly worth putting in this list... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I learned how to drive on a 61 Corvair Monza 4 speed manual - my dad's car. The poor mans American Porsche. They did have a propensity to oversteer but you had to be at the limit to experience that, which I did on several occasions. The issue with The Explorers were improperly inflated tires and driver error. -Original Message- From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time From: Larry Colen On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there by virtue of some bad tires. But since these cars are so awful, I'll take the Series III XKE V12 off someone's hands or that Biturbo Maserati. Hell, I'm even willing to shoulder the burden of a Ferrari Mondial. My understanding is that there were indeed some issues with the early corvairs, though not nearly as bad as a particular egocentric attention whore would have liked you to believe. To the best of my knowledge, the only issue with the early Corvair was they would over-steer like European cars instead of under-steer like American cars. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ok. I guess I will Play. Ken will like this, I owned all American cars, all FORDS. And still own FORDS. My list is very long, still working on it. Joe I have owned a number of cars both domestic and foreign. Based on my prior experiences, for the past dozen years I have bought only Nissans, and I currently drive a Maxima with close to 200,000 miles on it. My wife's car is a newer Altima, her fun car is an old Mustang, and our spare is an older Altima. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:55 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2012-08-30 22:06 J.C. O'Connell wrote I have owned about 7 cars in my life, all american and all held up pretty well. No imports for me. i've managed to steer clear of anything domestic, or on that list; got my driver's license at 30, at which time i already owned a 1970 saab 95 wagon; since then i've had a 1982 honda accord hatch, 1987 saab 900s, and 1992 saab 900t since June i haven't owned a car and it's alright; i may buy another pre-GM Saab someday, i had my last one for 15 years and just don't need or want anything else; my partner has had a succession of ancient Toyota Corollas, and is now on her second Audi A4 Avant 1.8T, which is pretty sweet but steers like a racing bike and costs twice as much to maintain as my Saabs did -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have owned a number of cars both domestic and foreign. Based on my prior experiences, for the past dozen years I have bought only Nissans, and I currently drive a Maxima with close to 200,000 miles on it. My wife's car is a newer Altima, her fun car is an old Mustang, and our spare is an older Altima. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:55 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2012-08-30 22:06 J.C. O'Connell wrote I have owned about 7 cars in my life, all american and all held up pretty well. No imports for me. i've managed to steer clear of anything domestic, or on that list; got my driver's license at 30, at which time i already owned a 1970 saab 95 wagon; since then i've had a 1982 honda accord hatch, 1987 saab 900s, and 1992 saab 900t since June i haven't owned a car and it's alright; i may buy another pre-GM Saab someday, i had my last one for 15 years and just don't need or want anything else; my partner has had a succession of ancient Toyota Corollas, and is now on her second Audi A4 Avant 1.8T, which is pretty sweet but steers like a racing bike and costs twice as much to maintain as my Saabs did -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 30/8/12, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/ 0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. Damn! I knew I should have gone for the '14 Scripps-Booth Bi-Autogo and not the '13. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Francis Cars I Have Owned in the last 40 years: 1960s Morris Minor 1000 Estate 1970s Triumph Vitesse Convertible 1980 Fiat 132 ... My first car, in the early 80s, was a Fiat 131. It was a rust-bucket which I bought for practically nothing, but it went like shit off a stick. I used to drive myself and 3 other people to from work at 110 mph. They always fell asleep en route, which must say something for the car. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:29 AM, Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Francis Cars I Have Owned in the last 40 years: 1960s Morris Minor 1000 Estate 1970s Triumph Vitesse Convertible 1980 Fiat 132 ... My first car, in the early 80s, was a Fiat 131. It was a rust-bucket which I bought for practically nothing, but it went like shit off a stick. I used to drive myself and 3 other people to from work at 110 mph. They always fell asleep en route, which must say something for the car. That the speedometer actually read in kph? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Francis Cars I Have Owned in the last 40 years: 1960s Morris Minor 1000 Estate 1970s Triumph Vitesse Convertible 1980 Fiat 132 ... My first car, in the early 80s, was a Fiat 131. It was a rust-bucket which I bought for practically nothing, but it went like shit off a stick. I used to drive myself and 3 other people to from work at 110 mph. They always fell asleep en route, which must say something for the car. That the speedometer actually read in kph? Har! In the other direction I drove a friend and her young daughters through the Alps a few years ago in a French hire car and the girls were simultaneously thrilled and frightened to note from the speedo that we were taking those scary bends at over 100mph! :0) B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 31 August 2012 05:34, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Whew! None of mine are there. Cars I Have Owned (clip) Here's my list with some comments. One of mine got onto the list, under a different name. 1970 Morris Mini K Australian model with a torquey, lazy 1100cc engine. Later fitment of twin 1 3/4inch SU carbies and extractors made it fly like shit off a shovel, but a broken engine mount led to one carb being smashed, and it was reverted to the standard 1 1/4 inch SU, keeping the extractors. Gearbox in sump caused fast ring and bearing wear because of metal contaminents getting into engine, an old Mini shortcoming. When oil loss reached a litre per thousand kilometres it was time to move on. 1980 Suzuki Stockman LJ80V V = van body. The Australian name for the Jimny, the original 4WD Kei car. I had this one for nine happy years, and 170,000km. The engine was getting a little knocky in the end which was an amazing long life for a sub litre engine that was taken to the redline on every gearchange for most of its life. I would have kept it for twice as long, maybe forever, if 3rd gear hadn't broken when I couldn't afford the repair. 1977 Toyota Corona Well into its 2nd decade when it was put down due to terminal tattiness, but it just wouldn't die. At one time it blew the head-gasket when I couldn't afford repairs (a frequently recurring story). The radiator was left bubbling and fizzing, and the engine oil turned to mousse. A change of fluids, some Bars-Leaks in the radiator and STP additive in the engine oil, and it healed itself and continued to improve for another year and a half. A bulletproof car if ever there was one. 1959 Morris Minor 1000 2-door An amazingly modern driving experience (excluding the pathetic brakes) for a car that was 35 years old. Wrecked on my 3rd day of ownership when it was rear-ended while stopped at the roadside. The fuel tank had run dry although indicating 1/4 full. The dealer later said about the fuel guage, Oh yeah, they all do that. That's the kind of information best shared sooner rather than later. _ 1984 Holden Camira The deservedly maligned GM J-car. In its defence it was a very sweet drive with tight, stable handling and a free-revving 1.6 litre engine that could easily exceed the redline even in 5th gear. In the end It lost the race against galloping rust. Poor detail design meant that there were dust and water traps that wouldn't drain out, exacerbating the low quality paint coverage inside the body panels and dodgy steel with fissures and random crystallization. The J-car, in it guise as the 1982 Cadillac Cimarron, earns its place in the worst 50 for this reason alone. 1981 Honda Accord Sedan Pleasant white-goods on wheels. Semi-automatic gearbox was a bore. Fairly uneventful ownership except for a top-end rebuild after a broken cam-belt, beware of used cars without log books. Rust got this one in the end, too. 1991 Toyota Camry Wagon Strong car, satisfying drive. Bulletproof like the Corona. A serious overheating event mid-life should have killed the engine, but a thorough service found no problem, so with new water hoses and plug leads (the heat melted the old set!!!) it soldiered on until the old bogeyman rust began to creep in (did I mention that I live on the coast?). 2005 Ford Focus Zetec 5-doorPleasant drive but the Zetec body-kit was too low for most suburban driveways and shopping mall car parks, grounding itself almost daily. The 4 speed auto gearbox was behind the curve at a time when most other cars were getting 5 or 6 speed autos, and was a disappointing aspect of the Focus due to the big gaps between gears. 2008 Ford Focus Ghia sedan Much the same as the previous car but without the low body-kit and with a boot (trunk) rather than a rear hatch. Comfy leather upholstery was nicer than the nasty microfibre of the Zetec, while a less sporty wheel/tyre combination made it a smoother ride. Still that same gearbox with not enough ratios. 2011 Hyundai ix35 Elite 2.0CRD Yes, a dreaded SUV. The attraction wasn't the all-wheel-drive, it was the interior space, hugely bigger than the Focus Ghia but with a smaller footprint on the road, handy in my parking-space deficient street. The turbocharged diesel engine pulls like a train. Hills don't seem to exist anymore and its cabin quietness on the freeway needs to be NOT heard to be believed. regards, Anthony -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Steve McQueen had one of the few XKSS roadsters that survived the fire at the Coventry factory. Don't know where it is now, but I think it sold at auction a few years back. Paul On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:11 AM, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 02:13:52PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: I'd much rather have a six cylinder e-type (Jag never made a car it called the XKE) than a v-12. They were faster. I'd love to upgrade one with modern engine management, and a few other tech upgrades as a track car. Heck, as long as we're dreaming, I'd like one of these: http://www.lynxmotors.co.uk/xkss.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've had too many to count. At least 50 in my lifetime, a dozen in the last twenty years. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/30/12 8:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote: It does not surprise me that mention of the Corvair can spark so much subject on the PDML. I learned to drive in our Corvair, my father giving me the helm on various camping trips on the back roads of Arkansas when I was 11 or 12. It was an okay car, but I preferred its successor, a '67 Camaro that was later stolen off the airport parking lot in Little Rock. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What is this! 11 or 12 and learning to outrun the 'revenuers' on the back roads of Arkansas? I have a new respect for you Doug. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote: On 8/30/12 8:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote: It does not surprise me that mention of the Corvair can spark so much subject on the PDML. I learned to drive in our Corvair, my father giving me the helm on various camping trips on the back roads of Arkansas when I was 11 or 12. It was an okay car, but I preferred its successor, a '67 Camaro that was later stolen off the airport parking lot in Little Rock. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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We've settle into a steady diet of Subaru cars and Ford pickups. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: What is this! 11 or 12 and learning to outrun the 'revenuers' on the back roads of Arkansas? I have a new respect for you Doug. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote: On 8/30/12 8:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote: It does not surprise me that mention of the Corvair can spark so much subject on the PDML. I learned to drive in our Corvair, my father giving me the helm on various camping trips on the back roads of Arkansas when I was 11 or 12. It was an okay car, but I preferred its successor, a '67 Camaro that was later stolen off the airport parking lot in Little Rock. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:59 PM, John Francis wrote: Cars I Have Owned in the last 40 years: 1960s Morris Minor 1000 Estate 1970s Triumph Vitesse Convertible 1980 Fiat 132 1986 Ford Mustang GT Converible 1990 Range Rover 2004 BMW Z4 As a memory exercise I've compiled my list. The indented items were the cars primarily used by spouses 1956 Pontiac 2-door coupe 1962-1965 1962 AMC Rambler Classic1965-1968 1968 AMC Ambassador 1968-1972 1967 Porsche 9121970-1971 1968 Porsche 9121971-1981 1973 Toyota pickup 1975-1976 1968 Porsche 9121976-1979 1962 Ford pickup1975-1977 1975 Honda Civic1976-? 1973 Ford van 1977-1981 1981 Subaru station wagon 1981-1990 1982 Nissan 1985-1992 1990 Chrysler mini-van 1990-1993 1991 Subaru sedan 1992-1993 1993 Jeep Wrangler 1993-1995 1993 Jeep Cherokee 1993-2000 1995 Eagle Vision 1995-present 2000 Chrysler minivan 2000-2009 2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee2009-present stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I seriously considered buying a used one in about 1968 or so. The deal fell apart when the mechanic I took it to looked underneath and found it was just about to fall apart (body rot). I don't know if that was a typical problem. From: Walter Hamler In 1962 I was in the Navy stationed at the Ordinance Test Station in China Lake, out in the Mojave desert. I was barely 20 years old and had eyes for a young lady that worked in the photo lab where I was, along with several hundred others. I was flirting with her one day, threatening to pull her pony tail. She whipped around so quick, shoved all 210 pounds of me against the wall, and simply said in a stern voice, Don't! I didn't, apologized, and sheepishly left the room in a hurry. Several hours later she quietly asked me to follow her outside. There she explained that the year prior, she had taken a 61 Corvair over a cliff and the rear scalp and skull cap of her head was lost somewhere in the canyon below where the car stopped, on top of her. She had had a blowout, and she readily admitted that she had overreacted and overcorrected, causing her to spinout and go over the side. She never did blame the car, but her parents did, and after many years in court was awarded a settlement. We became close friends after that, but we never talked about the accident again. I knew it was a very touchy subject with her. And, I never mentioned the pony tail again :-) In the late 80's I had a chance to buy a later model Monza with the turbo charger, but was simply afraid to do so. Wish I had now. Walt On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there by virtue of some bad tires. But since these cars are so awful, I'll take the Series III XKE V12 off someone's hands or that Biturbo Maserati. Hell, I'm even willing to shoulder the burden of a Ferrari Mondial. My understanding is that there were indeed some issues with the early corvairs, though not nearly as bad as a particular egocentric attention whore would have liked you to believe. As I said, some of the most interesting cars were also on the list. The elite was designed to win races, and it has been argued that if a racecar didn't fall apart on the cool down lap, then it was too heavy making it more robust than it needed to be. Chapman was absolutely brilliant in that way, and I'd love to see a modern version of the Elite, made with modern materials and technology. Out of a motor the size and weight of the Coventry Climax 1.3 (originally designed for water pumps for fire fighting) you could probably get two or three times the horsepower today, on street fuel, without forced induction. I'd much rather have a six cylinder e-type (Jag never made a car it called the XKE) than a v-12. They were faster. I'd love to upgrade one with modern engine management, and a few other tech upgrades as a track car. Paul On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I lost the original link to the list, so I just Googled for it. Two things: 1. It appears that list was from 2007, not from 2010 as I first thought. That may explain why Toyota's later problems didn't make the list. 2. In my lifetime, I've owned one car that [almost?] made the list. I had a 1972 Pinto Wagon. I say [almost?] because the wagon wasn't prone to burst into flames in a rear end collision because they'd had to move the filler neck to the side to accommodate the rear hatch. It was kind of a strange little car. One thing I remember was that all of the hardware on the Made in the USA body was metric, while all of the German made engine hardware was SAE standard. Go figure. I put so many miles on it that I wore the lobes off the overhead cam twice. Having the engine rebuilt cost less than $500 both times. The first time it went in to be rebuilt was when I got to keep my father-in-law's pristine 57 Bel Air for a week as a loaner. And since my wife didn't know how to drive a manual transmission I didn't have to share. If that Pinto had a manual transmission, I might be driving it still. 3. The other car I owned that I don't know how it escaped the list - and the only *NEW* car I ever bought - was a 1980 Chevrolet Citation. I traded in the Pinto for a 5 Door hatchback. It was the nadir of Chevrolet's descent into cheap plastic interiors, but it wasn't actually a bad car otherwise, although the transverse V6 turned out to be one of those have to pull the engine to change the spark-plugs designs, and Chevrolet had no previous experience with designing a FWD automobile. Nor did their mechanics have any clue about working on them. I had it in to the dealer several times for a grinding noise it made when I had to accelerate in second while straightening out from a left turn (which I did every day when I left the house to go to work). They replaced the synchronizers, then they replaced the left side transmission case, then replaced the whole transmission and never managed to stop the noise from recurring for more than 1,000 miles. Put me off from owning a FWD car for many years. Now I recognize that noise is just worn CV joints. Although, if they wear that much in less than 1,000 miles, I'm going to be mighty pissed off. 4. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! ... Our four chief weapons are ... Amongst our weapons are ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bob W From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Francis Cars I Have Owned in the last 40 years: 1960s Morris Minor 1000 Estate 1970s Triumph Vitesse Convertible 1980 Fiat 132 ... My first car, in the early 80s, was a Fiat 131. It was a rust-bucket which I bought for practically nothing, but it went like shit off a stick. I used to drive myself and 3 other people to from work at 110 mph. They always fell asleep en route, which must say something for the car. B Yeah, it was saying FIX MY LEAKY EXHAUST! 8-D -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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True, not much, but still . . . Your chart shows your 40th birthday in 1982; so you were born in 1942, and I was born is Dec 1941. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Couldn't be by much. I am 70. Walt On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: You have purchased 5 cars since I last bought one. That must say something about each of us. G Of course, you are not quite as old as I am . . . . Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Whew! None of mine are there. Cars I Have Owned 1962 Chevy Impala SS 1963/64 1957 Mercury Parklane Cruiser 1965 1957 VW Beetle 1966 1968 Toyota Corona 1968 1969 Chevy Townsman SW 1969 1958 Rambler SW 1969 1972 Toyota Corolla 1971 1981 Chevy Malibu SW 1981 1983 Nissan Maxima SW Diesel 1983 1984 Honda CRX 40 th birthday 1982 1973 VW Beetle 1985 1973 VW Camper Van 1986 1990 Plymouth Grand Voyager Mini Van (Mom’s) 1990 1992 Mazda B2000 PU 1994 1990 Chevy Corsica (Rachael’s car) 1996 1983 Chevy Cavalier SW (Nathan’s car) 1997 1992 Buick LeSabre 1998 1996 Olds Cutlass Ciera (Mom’s) 1998 2005 Scion xB 2004 2001 Saturn LW200 SW (Mom’s) 2007 2000 Olds Intrique 2009 1999 Saturn SW2 SW 2011 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS 2011 2012 Hyundai Sonata (Mom’s) 2012 2013 Hyundai Elantra GT 2012 May there be no more On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My girlfriend (now my wife) had a corvair in 1961. On three occasions, it simply stopped running, for no apparent reason, while she was driving at fairly high speeds on the highway. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there by virtue of some bad tires. But since these cars are so awful, I'll take the Series III XKE V12 off someone's hands or that Biturbo Maserati. Hell, I'm even willing to shoulder the burden of a Ferrari Mondial. Paul On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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...and I was born is Dec 1941... A day that will live in infamy. . . :-o On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: True, not much, but still . . . Your chart shows your 40th birthday in 1982; so you were born in 1942, and I was born is Dec 1941. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Couldn't be by much. I am 70. Walt On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: You have purchased 5 cars since I last bought one. That must say something about each of us. G Of course, you are not quite as old as I am . . . . Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Whew! None of mine are there. Cars I Have Owned 1962 Chevy Impala SS 1963/64 1957 Mercury Parklane Cruiser 1965 1957 VW Beetle 1966 1968 Toyota Corona 1968 1969 Chevy Townsman SW 1969 1958 Rambler SW 1969 1972 Toyota Corolla 1971 1981 Chevy Malibu SW 1981 1983 Nissan Maxima SW Diesel 1983 1984 Honda CRX 40 th birthday 1982 1973 VW Beetle 1985 1973 VW Camper Van 1986 1990 Plymouth Grand Voyager Mini Van (Mom’s) 1990 1992 Mazda B2000 PU 1994 1990 Chevy Corsica (Rachael’s car) 1996 1983 Chevy Cavalier SW (Nathan’s car) 1997 1992 Buick LeSabre 1998 1996 Olds Cutlass Ciera (Mom’s) 1998 2005 Scion xB 2004 2001 Saturn LW200 SW (Mom’s) 2007 2000 Olds Intrique 2009 1999 Saturn SW2 SW 2011 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS 2011 2012 Hyundai Sonata (Mom’s) 2012 2013 Hyundai Elantra GT 2012 May there be no more On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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For the record, I am from the radical Pentax/Apple/Volkswagen wing of this party. (Also a bit into astronomy and home beer brewing.) My main requirements for a car these days are that it stay out of the repair shop and be able to carry an 8 Dobsonian, when needed. As for the List: I admit to owning a couple of early-70s Pinto station wagons, back in our salad days. Then, my main requirement was that a car cost under $500. : ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2012-08-30 22:06 J.C. O'Connell wrote I have owned about 7 cars in my life, all american and all held up pretty well. No imports for me. i've managed to steer clear of anything domestic, or on that list; got my driver's license at 30, at which time i already owned a 1970 saab 95 wagon; since then i've had a 1982 honda accord hatch, 1987 saab 900s, and 1992 saab 900t since June i haven't owned a car and it's alright; i may buy another pre-GM Saab someday, i had my last one for 15 years and just don't need or want anything else; my partner has had a succession of ancient Toyota Corollas, and is now on her second Audi A4 Avant 1.8T, which is pretty sweet but steers like a racing bike and costs twice as much to maintain as my Saabs did -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting steve harley p...@paper-ape.com: on 2012-08-30 22:06 J.C. O'Connell wrote I have owned about 7 cars in my life, all american and all held up pretty well. No imports for me. i've managed to steer clear of anything domestic, or on that list; got my driver's license at 30, at which time i already owned a 1970 saab 95 wagon; since then i've had a 1982 honda accord hatch, 1987 saab 900s, and 1992 saab 900t since June i haven't owned a car and it's alright; i may buy another pre-GM Saab someday, Saabs have been genetically modified? Those Swedes are pretty clever Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ i had my last one for 15 years and just don't need or want anything else; my partner has had a succession of ancient Toyota Corollas, and is now on her second Audi A4 Avant 1.8T, which is pretty sweet but steers like a racing bike and costs twice as much to maintain as my Saabs did -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Darren Addy wrote: For the record, I am from the radical Pentax/Apple/Volkswagen wing of this party. (Also a bit into astronomy and home beer brewing.) My main requirements for a car these days are that it stay out of the repair shop and be able to carry an 8 Dobsonian, when needed. So it's true, you do have eight inches that'll make the ladies see stars. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2012-08-31 16:57 Brian Walters wrote Quoting steve harley p...@paper-ape.com: since June i haven't owned a car and it's alright; i may buy another pre-GM Saab someday, Saabs have been genetically modified? Those Swedes are pretty clever it wasn't perpetrated by Swedes, and i prefer the heirloom strain -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Whew! None of mine are there. Cars I Have Owned 1962 Chevy Impala SS 1963/64 1957 Mercury Parklane Cruiser 1965 1957 VW Beetle 1966 1968 Toyota Corona 1968 1969 Chevy Townsman SW 1969 1958 Rambler SW 1969 1972 Toyota Corolla 1971 1981 Chevy Malibu SW 1981 1983 Nissan Maxima SW Diesel 1983 1984 Honda CRX 40 th birthday 1982 1973 VW Beetle 1985 1973 VW Camper Van 1986 1990 Plymouth Grand Voyager Mini Van (Mom’s) 1990 1992 Mazda B2000 PU 1994 1990 Chevy Corsica (Rachael’s car) 1996 1983 Chevy Cavalier SW (Nathan’s car) 1997 1992 Buick LeSabre 1998 1996 Olds Cutlass Ciera (Mom’s) 1998 2005 Scion xB 2004 2001 Saturn LW200 SW (Mom’s)2007 2000 Olds Intrique 2009 1999 Saturn SW2 SW 2011 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS 2011 2012 Hyundai Sonata (Mom’s) 2012 2013 Hyundai Elantra GT 2012 May there be no more On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You have purchased 5 cars since I last bought one. That must say something about each of us. G Of course, you are not quite as old as I am . . . . Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Whew! None of mine are there. Cars I Have Owned 1962 Chevy Impala SS 1963/64 1957 Mercury Parklane Cruiser 1965 1957 VW Beetle 1966 1968 Toyota Corona 1968 1969 Chevy Townsman SW 1969 1958 Rambler SW 1969 1972 Toyota Corolla 1971 1981 Chevy Malibu SW 1981 1983 Nissan Maxima SW Diesel 1983 1984 Honda CRX 40 th birthday 1982 1973 VW Beetle 1985 1973 VW Camper Van 1986 1990 Plymouth Grand Voyager Mini Van (Mom’s) 1990 1992 Mazda B2000 PU 1994 1990 Chevy Corsica (Rachael’s car) 1996 1983 Chevy Cavalier SW (Nathan’s car) 1997 1992 Buick LeSabre 1998 1996 Olds Cutlass Ciera (Mom’s) 1998 2005 Scion xB 2004 2001 Saturn LW200 SW (Mom’s)2007 2000 Olds Intrique 2009 1999 Saturn SW2 SW 2011 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS 2011 2012 Hyundai Sonata (Mom’s) 2012 2013 Hyundai Elantra GT 2012 May there be no more On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545 ,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. Don't know why the Triumph Stag's on there. Maybe they were a bitch to own, but they were great if your girlfriend's Mum had one and she didn't mind lending it. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2012-08-30 12:51 Larry Colen wrote http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. fascinates me that 75-89 has the preponderances of entries -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2012-08-30 13:40 Daniel J. Matyola wrote You have purchased 5 cars since I last bought one. That must say something about each of us. G fwiw, he's bought 11 since i last bought one and he had bought 12 before i bought my first one -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My mom had a Pinto. It drove OK and never exploded. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545 ,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. Don't know why the Triumph Stag's on there. Maybe they were a bitch to own, but they were great if your girlfriend's Mum had one and she didn't mind lending it. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The Maserati, with apologies to Joe Walsh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiORhKnwXF4 re: The Yugo There is one that my coworker drives an hour to work (each way) every day M-F. Here it is, with him at the wheel, in acton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JftYNIbXLAk -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Obviously missing -- Mk 3 VW Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Not too many current TIME magazine advertisers' cars on that list, I notice. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I love the phrase this thing couldn't outrun the Rose Bowl Parade, referring to the Brickland. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:44 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2012-08-30 13:40 Daniel J. Matyola wrote You have purchased 5 cars since I last bought one. That must say something about each of us. G fwiw, he's bought 11 since i last bought one and he had bought 12 before i bought my first one -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Couldn't be by much. I am 70. Walt On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: You have purchased 5 cars since I last bought one. That must say something about each of us. G Of course, you are not quite as old as I am . . . . Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Whew! None of mine are there. Cars I Have Owned 1962 Chevy Impala SS 1963/64 1957 Mercury Parklane Cruiser 1965 1957 VW Beetle 1966 1968 Toyota Corona 1968 1969 Chevy Townsman SW 1969 1958 Rambler SW 1969 1972 Toyota Corolla 1971 1981 Chevy Malibu SW 1981 1983 Nissan Maxima SW Diesel 1983 1984 Honda CRX 40 th birthday 1982 1973 VW Beetle 1985 1973 VW Camper Van 1986 1990 Plymouth Grand Voyager Mini Van (Mom’s) 1990 1992 Mazda B2000 PU 1994 1990 Chevy Corsica (Rachael’s car) 1996 1983 Chevy Cavalier SW (Nathan’s car) 1997 1992 Buick LeSabre 1998 1996 Olds Cutlass Ciera (Mom’s) 1998 2005 Scion xB 2004 2001 Saturn LW200 SW (Mom’s)2007 2000 Olds Intrique 2009 1999 Saturn SW2 SW 2011 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS 2011 2012 Hyundai Sonata (Mom’s) 2012 2013 Hyundai Elantra GT 2012 May there be no more On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Wow, Walt, you seem so much younger the that. Of course, the internet takes off 20 years. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Couldn't be by much. I am 70. Walt On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: You have purchased 5 cars since I last bought one. That must say something about each of us. G Of course, you are not quite as old as I am . . . . Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Whew! None of mine are there. Cars I Have Owned 1962 Chevy Impala SS 1963/64 1957 Mercury Parklane Cruiser 1965 1957 VW Beetle 1966 1968 Toyota Corona 1968 1969 Chevy Townsman SW 1969 1958 Rambler SW 1969 1972 Toyota Corolla 1971 1981 Chevy Malibu SW 1981 1983 Nissan Maxima SW Diesel 1983 1984 Honda CRX 40 th birthday 1982 1973 VW Beetle 1985 1973 VW Camper Van 1986 1990 Plymouth Grand Voyager Mini Van (Mom’s) 1990 1992 Mazda B2000 PU 1994 1990 Chevy Corsica (Rachael’s car) 1996 1983 Chevy Cavalier SW (Nathan’s car) 1997 1992 Buick LeSabre 1998 1996 Olds Cutlass Ciera (Mom’s) 1998 2005 Scion xB 2004 2001 Saturn LW200 SW (Mom’s) 2007 2000 Olds Intrique 2009 1999 Saturn SW2 SW 2011 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS 2011 2012 Hyundai Sonata (Mom’s) 2012 2013 Hyundai Elantra GT 2012 May there be no more On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'd rather it take of 20 POUNDS! :-) On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, Walt, you seem so much younger the that. Of course, the internet takes off 20 years. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Couldn't be by much. I am 70. Walt On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: You have purchased 5 cars since I last bought one. That must say something about each of us. G Of course, you are not quite as old as I am . . . . Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Whew! None of mine are there. Cars I Have Owned 1962 Chevy Impala SS 1963/64 1957 Mercury Parklane Cruiser 1965 1957 VW Beetle 1966 1968 Toyota Corona 1968 1969 Chevy Townsman SW 1969 1958 Rambler SW 1969 1972 Toyota Corolla 1971 1981 Chevy Malibu SW 1981 1983 Nissan Maxima SW Diesel 1983 1984 Honda CRX 40 th birthday 1982 1973 VW Beetle 1985 1973 VW Camper Van 1986 1990 Plymouth Grand Voyager Mini Van (Mom’s) 1990 1992 Mazda B2000 PU 1994 1990 Chevy Corsica (Rachael’s car) 1996 1983 Chevy Cavalier SW (Nathan’s car) 1997 1992 Buick LeSabre 1998 1996 Olds Cutlass Ciera (Mom’s) 1998 2005 Scion xB 2004 2001 Saturn LW200 SW (Mom’s) 2007 2000 Olds Intrique 2009 1999 Saturn SW2 SW 2011 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS 2011 2012 Hyundai Sonata (Mom’s) 2012 2013 Hyundai Elantra GT 2012 May there be no more On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there by virtue of some bad tires. But since these cars are so awful, I'll take the Series III XKE V12 off someone's hands or that Biturbo Maserati. Hell, I'm even willing to shoulder the burden of a Ferrari Mondial. Paul On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. I'd like to add the Volvo 480, built by DAF in Holland with a Renault engine. We called it Cologne's fastest footbath, because each time it rained the footwell was flooded. Not enough with that, the 480 was one of the first cars to be controlled by some kind of computer. I'll never forget the night when I was the focus of all attention, standing on the busiest crossing in town, next to my 480 with the keys in my hand, while this sad excuse for a car was switching everything electric - lights, horn, front and rear wipers, windscreen washer, retractable headlights, you name it - on and off at 1 second intervals like an epileptic orchestrion. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there by virtue of some bad tires. But since these cars are so awful, I'll take the Series III XKE V12 off someone's hands or that Biturbo Maserati. Hell, I'm even willing to shoulder the burden of a Ferrari Mondial. My understanding is that there were indeed some issues with the early corvairs, though not nearly as bad as a particular egocentric attention whore would have liked you to believe. As I said, some of the most interesting cars were also on the list. The elite was designed to win races, and it has been argued that if a racecar didn't fall apart on the cool down lap, then it was too heavy making it more robust than it needed to be. Chapman was absolutely brilliant in that way, and I'd love to see a modern version of the Elite, made with modern materials and technology. Out of a motor the size and weight of the Coventry Climax 1.3 (originally designed for water pumps for fire fighting) you could probably get two or three times the horsepower today, on street fuel, without forced induction. I'd much rather have a six cylinder e-type (Jag never made a car it called the XKE) than a v-12. They were faster. I'd love to upgrade one with modern engine management, and a few other tech upgrades as a track car. Paul On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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We still have a 1977 Triumph Stag. Paul was only the second owner when he bought it many years ago. It's still running - with the original engine and everything. Wendy On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545 ,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. Don't know why the Triumph Stag's on there. Maybe they were a bitch to own, but they were great if your girlfriend's Mum had one and she didn't mind lending it. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Wendy Beard Carp, Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 30/08/2012 3:04 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there by virtue of some bad tires. But since these cars are so awful, I'll take the Series III XKE V12 off someone's hands or that Biturbo Maserati. Hell, I'm even willing to shoulder the burden of a Ferrari Mondial. My parents owned a Corvair. I was very young, and so only remember that it was a car. Apparently it was in the shop more often than it was on the road. I do recall being towed in from a long way out of town when the car went down for no apparent reason. It wasn't around for long before my dad bought another loser, a 1962 Impalla with an inline 6 that was easily as powerful as a couple of lawn mowers. If you managed to get that one to hit 70MPH, it shook so hard that one almost thought it would fly apart. My dad and the General parted ways for almost 20 years after that, when, for some reason, insanity took hold once again and he bought an Oldsmobile with a V-6 whose push-rod channels hadn't been drilled straight, resulting in destruction of the tops of them, and damage to the rockers. My understanding of the Explorer, from reading I did, was that the tires would have been OK on a lighter car (they weren't great tires by any stretch of the imagination though), and had the inflation instructions been within the specifications Firestone had set for the tire, but Ford knew better, and Kknew that the fix for unstable suspension was to drop the recommended tire pressure dangerously low so as to drop the center of gravity of the vehicle. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And 20 pounds. (I wish) pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 13 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:13:36 -0400 From: Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time Message-ID: CALqig0hC8NP9B74U704bcXPhpHvMnOQQdQeHaZYiZ8=pwju...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Wow, Walt, you seem so much younger the that. Of course, the internet takes off 20 years. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Walter Hamler wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Couldn't be by much. I am 70. Wow, Walt, you seem so much younger the that. Of course, the internet takes off 20 years. I'd rather it take of 20 POUNDS! :-) Photoshop'll do that... -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:18 PM, William Robb wrote: On 30/08/2012 3:04 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there by virtue of some bad tires. But since these cars are so awful, I'll take the Series III XKE V12 off someone's hands or that Biturbo Maserati. Hell, I'm even willing to shoulder the burden of a Ferrari Mondial. My parents owned a Corvair. I was very young, and so only remember that it was a car. Apparently it was in the shop more often than it was on the road. I do recall being towed in from a long way out of town when the car went down for no apparent reason. It wasn't around for long before my dad bought another loser, a 1962 Impalla with an inline 6 that was easily as powerful as a couple of lawn mowers. If you managed to get that one to hit 70MPH, it shook so hard that one almost thought it would fly apart. My dad and the General parted ways for almost 20 years after that, when, for some reason, insanity took hold once again and he bought an Oldsmobile with a V-6 whose push-rod channels hadn't been drilled straight, resulting in destruction of the tops of them, and damage to the rockers. My understanding of the Explorer, from reading I did, was that the tires would have been OK on a lighter car (they weren't great tires by any stretch of the imagination though), and had the inflation instructions been within the specifications Firestone had set for the tire, but Ford knew better, and Kknew that the fix for unstable suspension was to drop the recommended tire pressure dangerously low so as to drop the center of gravity of the vehicle. There is also the detail that a magazine had set up a test where they used a shotgun aimed at the right front tire, with a lanyard to the passenger seat. The passenger would then spontaneously deflate the tire without warning the driver. The car just went forward with a slight thumping noise of a flat. Most of the rollovers were apparently due to drivers freaking out and jerking the wheel around. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 30, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Darren Addy wrote: The Maserati, with apologies to Joe Walsh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiORhKnwXF4 re: The Yugo There is one that my coworker drives an hour to work (each way) every day M-F. Here it is, with him at the wheel, in acton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JftYNIbXLAk Some years ago I was talking with a couple at a party. They had had a Fiat whcih pretty much lived up to Fiats reputation for reliability, but had recently traded it in on a new car. I congratulated them and commented that the only thing less reliable than a Fiat was a Yugo, which was a Fiat made by communists. The crestfallen look of dismay on their faces was priceless. Yes, they had replaced their Fiat with a Yugo. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think Time published that list just before the 2010 Detroit Auto Show. I don't think they've updated it since. From: Paul Stenquist Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there by virtue of some bad tires. But since these cars are so awful, I'll take the Series III XKE V12 off someone's hands or that Biturbo Maserati. Hell, I'm even willing to shoulder the burden of a Ferrari Mondial. Paul On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Larry Colen On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there by virtue of some bad tires. But since these cars are so awful, I'll take the Series III XKE V12 off someone's hands or that Biturbo Maserati. Hell, I'm even willing to shoulder the burden of a Ferrari Mondial. My understanding is that there were indeed some issues with the early corvairs, though not nearly as bad as a particular egocentric attention whore would have liked you to believe. To the best of my knowledge, the only issue with the early Corvair was they would over-steer like European cars instead of under-steer like American cars. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. Any list of worst cars that doesn't include Australia's own Lightburn Zeta can't be taken seriously :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_%28automobile%29 As reported here: http://www.justauto.com.au/justcars/know/news/991284b0-2ea3-4c11-88ed-f88b92163cc4 The Zeta?s party trick was to have four speeds in reverse simply by stopping, turning off the engine and then switching the ignition the other way to reverse the polarity! -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Judging by the YouTube comment feature, the Internet takes off much more than 20 years. Seems to take people right back into early infancy, or at least to before any signs of intelligence.. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, Walt, you seem so much younger the that. Of course, the internet takes off 20 years. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Couldn't be by much. I am 70. Walt On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: You have purchased 5 cars since I last bought one. That must say something about each of us. G Of course, you are not quite as old as I am . . . . Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Whew! None of mine are there. Cars I Have Owned 1962 Chevy Impala SS 1963/64 1957 Mercury Parklane Cruiser 1965 1957 VW Beetle 1966 1968 Toyota Corona 1968 1969 Chevy Townsman SW 1969 1958 Rambler SW 1969 1972 Toyota Corolla 1971 1981 Chevy Malibu SW 1981 1983 Nissan Maxima SW Diesel 1983 1984 Honda CRX 40 th birthday 1982 1973 VW Beetle 1985 1973 VW Camper Van 1986 1990 Plymouth Grand Voyager Mini Van (Mom’s) 1990 1992 Mazda B2000 PU 1994 1990 Chevy Corsica (Rachael’s car) 1996 1983 Chevy Cavalier SW (Nathan’s car) 1997 1992 Buick LeSabre 1998 1996 Olds Cutlass Ciera (Mom’s) 1998 2005 Scion xB 2004 2001 Saturn LW200 SW (Mom’s) 2007 2000 Olds Intrique 2009 1999 Saturn SW2 SW 2011 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS 2011 2012 Hyundai Sonata (Mom’s) 2012 2013 Hyundai Elantra GT 2012 May there be no more On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 30, 2012, at 6:26 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Larry Colen On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there by virtue of some bad tires. But since these cars are so awful, I'll take the Series III XKE V12 off someone's hands or that Biturbo Maserati. Hell, I'm even willing to shoulder the burden of a Ferrari Mondial. My understanding is that there were indeed some issues with the early corvairs, though not nearly as bad as a particular egocentric attention whore would have liked you to believe. To the best of my knowledge, the only issue with the early Corvair was they would over-steer like European cars instead of under-steer like American cars. They oversteered like Porsches, which were of a similar powertrain configuration. In truth, the '61 Corvair handled better at the limit than the '61 Porsche 356, as the Corvair rear wheels were suspended on control arms and coil springs and had two u-joints on each axles, while the Porsche wheels pivoted on the axles that had joints only at the center section and were suspended on torsion bars. The Porsche did some very weird things when one hit a bump with one wheel while cornering. The Corvair was considerably better. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In 1962 I was in the Navy stationed at the Ordinance Test Station in China Lake, out in the Mojave desert. I was barely 20 years old and had eyes for a young lady that worked in the photo lab where I was, along with several hundred others. I was flirting with her one day, threatening to pull her pony tail. She whipped around so quick, shoved all 210 pounds of me against the wall, and simply said in a stern voice, Don't! I didn't, apologized, and sheepishly left the room in a hurry. Several hours later she quietly asked me to follow her outside. There she explained that the year prior, she had taken a 61 Corvair over a cliff and the rear scalp and skull cap of her head was lost somewhere in the canyon below where the car stopped, on top of her. She had had a blowout, and she readily admitted that she had overreacted and overcorrected, causing her to spinout and go over the side. She never did blame the car, but her parents did, and after many years in court was awarded a settlement. We became close friends after that, but we never talked about the accident again. I knew it was a very touchy subject with her. And, I never mentioned the pony tail again :-) In the late 80's I had a chance to buy a later model Monza with the turbo charger, but was simply afraid to do so. Wish I had now. Walt On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there by virtue of some bad tires. But since these cars are so awful, I'll take the Series III XKE V12 off someone's hands or that Biturbo Maserati. Hell, I'm even willing to shoulder the burden of a Ferrari Mondial. My understanding is that there were indeed some issues with the early corvairs, though not nearly as bad as a particular egocentric attention whore would have liked you to believe. As I said, some of the most interesting cars were also on the list. The elite was designed to win races, and it has been argued that if a racecar didn't fall apart on the cool down lap, then it was too heavy making it more robust than it needed to be. Chapman was absolutely brilliant in that way, and I'd love to see a modern version of the Elite, made with modern materials and technology. Out of a motor the size and weight of the Coventry Climax 1.3 (originally designed for water pumps for fire fighting) you could probably get two or three times the horsepower today, on street fuel, without forced induction. I'd much rather have a six cylinder e-type (Jag never made a car it called the XKE) than a v-12. They were faster. I'd love to upgrade one with modern engine management, and a few other tech upgrades as a track car. Paul On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Forgot about the Monza. An engine bay so small that to change plugs on the 350 the engine had to be pulled. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I see that there is not even one Japanese car in the list. I've always liked Japanese cars (owned 7) but surely even the Japanese made some mistakes big enough to make this list. Despite being a Subaru fan (owned a Legacy and presently an Outback), I've always thought the SVX was a serious mistake. It may be a decent vehicle underneath but those looks -- shudder. And apparently Subaru only ever lost money on them. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 30, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Forgot about the Monza. An engine bay so small that to change plugs on the 350 the engine had to be pulled. He meant the Corvair Monza: https://www.google.com/search?q=corvair+monza+turbohl=enprmd=imvnssource=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=iwZAUL65COrOiwKJyIHICwved=0CAoQ_AUoAQbiw=1017bih=1045 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvair Power peaked with the 1965–66 turbocharged 180 hp (134 kW; 182 PS) Corsa engine option. The Corvair's legacy was affected by controversy surrounding its handling, which led to its inclusion in Ralph Nader's Unsafe at Any Speed. Nonetheless a subsequent National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) study concluded that the car's handling was as safe as that of its contemporaries. It does not surprise me that mention of the Corvair can spark so much subject on the PDML. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cars I Have Owned in the last 40 years: 1960s Morris Minor 1000 Estate 1970s Triumph Vitesse Convertible 1980 Fiat 132 1986 Ford Mustang GT Converible 1990 Range Rover 2004 BMW Z4 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have owned about 7 cars in my life, all american and all held up pretty well. No imports for me. The last five had V8s. I like V8s. I guess I could live with an imported V8 but those are too costly. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 30, 2012, at 17:37 , Larry Colen wrote: It does not surprise me that mention of the Corvair can spark so much subject on the PDML. Pentax owners and users have developed very sensitive bullshit meters that demand attention frequently on this list. We all have them, but they are not calibrated using the same standard. It's not that life is too short, it's that you're dead for so long.. — Anon Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 02:13:52PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: I'd much rather have a six cylinder e-type (Jag never made a car it called the XKE) than a v-12. They were faster. I'd love to upgrade one with modern engine management, and a few other tech upgrades as a track car. Heck, as long as we're dreaming, I'd like one of these: http://www.lynxmotors.co.uk/xkss.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
