Re: PESO - Charley
Shel, I realize that you decided to cut off (or through) his hands. I mean you most probably did that on some kind of purpose. I think that it breaks the whole shot. But if you say that it was quick grab then of course my comment probably does not apply. I will be looking forward for more Charley's portraits. Boris Shel Belinkoff wrote: Charley sits in front of the El Cerrito Post Office almost every day. Over a period of months I've come to know a little about him, and have sometimes helped him out. Today I had my camera handy - it was in my hand rather than in the Domke case - and when he saw it he became quite interested, which led to a little more back story. We sat and talked a bit about his past, about photography in general, about Nikon and Canon in particular, and it seemed like today would be the perfect day to start working on his portrait. This is the first snap, but there will be more to come. He wasn't feeling well today - he has emphysema and he was suffering from a bad cold or flu as well. So, forgive the quick grab - I'm posting it here as an introduction to an interesting and well-liked local character. A lot of people who frequent the post office look out for him, and care enough to know a little (or a lot) about him. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/charley.html Tech Details: istDS, K30/2.0 @ f/5.6, ISO 200, 1/100 sec Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Charley
It was a very quick grab. The pic isn't even in proper focus. I hope to see Charley today or MOnday. Shel [Original Message] From: Boris Liberman I realize that you decided to cut off (or through) his hands. I mean you most probably did that on some kind of purpose. I think that it breaks the whole shot. But if you say that it was quick grab then of course my comment probably does not apply. I will be looking forward for more Charley's portraits. Boris Shel Belinkoff wrote: Charley sits in front of the El Cerrito Post Office almost every day. Over a period of months I've come to know a little about him, and have sometimes helped him out. Today I had my camera handy - it was in my hand rather than in the Domke case - and when he saw it he became quite interested, which led to a little more back story. We sat and talked a bit about his past, about photography in general, about Nikon and Canon in particular, and it seemed like today would be the perfect day to start working on his portrait. This is the first snap, but there will be more to come. He wasn't feeling well today - he has emphysema and he was suffering from a bad cold or flu as well. So, forgive the quick grab - I'm posting it here as an introduction to an interesting and well-liked local character. A lot of people who frequent the post office look out for him, and care enough to know a little (or a lot) about him. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/charley.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Charley
hi shel, somehow there is a kind of discrepancy between the words you use to describe the man and the picture itself. perhaps because he doesn't feel quite comfortable yet with you taking pictures? to me it comes across as if he is a bit nervous or a little uncomfortable... perhaps it is a cultural thing and i don't get the visual cues right. regards, subash On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 18:39:50 -0800 Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today I had my camera handy - it was in my hand rather than in the Domke case - and when he saw it he became quite interested, which led to a little more back story. We sat and talked a bit about his past, about photography in general, about Nikon and Canon in particular, and it seemed like today would be the perfect day to start working on his portrait. This is the first snap, but there will be more to come. He wasn't feeling well today - he has emphysema and he was suffering from a bad cold or flu as well. So, forgive the quick grab - I'm posting it here as an introduction to an interesting and well-liked local character. A lot of people who frequent the post office look out for him, and care enough to know a little (or a lot) about him. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/charley.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO - Charley
Hi Shel. Charlie does not seem to relax. I guess he is a bit suspicious about your intentions. The reason he accepts posing is most likely because he wants to please you, not because he really wants to be photographed. My next guess is that he wants to please you because you have helped him out earlier. I believe you need to give him a bit more about yourself to make him relax. You say you have talked about his past, but nothing about your. You need to even out your relation. At this stage you are the master, and he is, not a subject but an object. Ok. This is my reactions towards what I see, and the stories told. I may be wrong, but this is what his body language tells me. There is a fat chance I am reading to much into what I see and read here. This said. The stories told are interesting. I'm looking forward to meet Charlie again. No, on second thought; it is the interaction between you, the photographer, and Charlie, that attracts my interest at this stage. But, you are onto something. To me, it is pretty obvious that Charlie wants to trust you. But he is not there, yet. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: 7. januar 2007 03:40 To: PDML Subject: PESO - Charley Charley sits in front of the El Cerrito Post Office almost every day. Over a period of months I've come to know a little about him, and have sometimes helped him out. Today I had my camera handy - it was in my hand rather than in the Domke case - and when he saw it he became quite interested, which led to a little more back story. We sat and talked a bit about his past, about photography in general, about Nikon and Canon in particular, and it seemed like today would be the perfect day to start working on his portrait. This is the first snap, but there will be more to come. He wasn't feeling well today - he has emphysema and he was suffering from a bad cold or flu as well. So, forgive the quick grab - I'm posting it here as an introduction to an interesting and well-liked local character. A lot of people who frequent the post office look out for him, and care enough to know a little (or a lot) about him. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/charley.html Tech Details: istDS, K30/2.0 @ f/5.6, ISO 200, 1/100 sec Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO - Charley
I think you're assuming too much. Charley and I have talked about me as well. He seemed pretty relaxed when I grabbed that snap - remember, he was sick and that was certainly making him uncomfortable. However, sometimes it takes a while to establish a real trust, you're certainly right about that. In any case, a quick snap really doesn't tell the viewer much about relationships that are taking place between the photographer and the person being photographed. That's one reason why I didn't call the pic a portrait - it's far from that. Shel [Original Message] From: Tim Øsleby Hi Shel. Charlie does not seem to relax. I guess he is a bit suspicious about your intentions. The reason he accepts posing is most likely because he wants to please you, not because he really wants to be photographed. My next guess is that he wants to please you because you have helped him out earlier. I believe you need to give him a bit more about yourself to make him relax. You say you have talked about his past, but nothing about your. You need to even out your relation. At this stage you are the master, and he is, not a subject but an object. Ok. This is my reactions towards what I see, and the stories told. I may be wrong, but this is what his body language tells me. There is a fat chance I am reading to much into what I see and read here. This said. The stories told are interesting. I'm looking forward to meet Charlie again. No, on second thought; it is the interaction between you, the photographer, and Charlie, that attracts my interest at this stage. But, you are onto something. To me, it is pretty obvious that Charlie wants to trust you. But he is not there, yet. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO - Charley
Yes, I am assuming, no, in fact I am guessing. What I do here is sharing my reactions towards what you tell in words and in what you tells in pixels. Those reactions are also based on our relationship, and my interpretation of the Shel you share here. No more, no less. Off course you are the expert in this, you are the one who is there, I'm not. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: 7. januar 2007 17:08 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: PESO - Charley I think you're assuming too much. Charley and I have talked about me as well. He seemed pretty relaxed when I grabbed that snap - remember, he was sick and that was certainly making him uncomfortable. However, sometimes it takes a while to establish a real trust, you're certainly right about that. In any case, a quick snap really doesn't tell the viewer much about relationships that are taking place between the photographer and the person being photographed. That's one reason why I didn't call the pic a portrait - it's far from that. Shel [Original Message] From: Tim Øsleby Hi Shel. Charlie does not seem to relax. I guess he is a bit suspicious about your intentions. The reason he accepts posing is most likely because he wants to please you, not because he really wants to be photographed. My next guess is that he wants to please you because you have helped him out earlier. I believe you need to give him a bit more about yourself to make him relax. You say you have talked about his past, but nothing about your. You need to even out your relation. At this stage you are the master, and he is, not a subject but an object. Ok. This is my reactions towards what I see, and the stories told. I may be wrong, but this is what his body language tells me. There is a fat chance I am reading to much into what I see and read here. This said. The stories told are interesting. I'm looking forward to meet Charlie again. No, on second thought; it is the interaction between you, the photographer, and Charlie, that attracts my interest at this stage. But, you are onto something. To me, it is pretty obvious that Charlie wants to trust you. But he is not there, yet. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Charley
Shel, your subject has the makings of a grand portrait, which for me would have to include a full view of his hands. It will be interesting to see how your photography of him evolves. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO - Charley Charley sits in front of the El Cerrito Post Office almost every day. Over a period of months I've come to know a little about him, and have sometimes helped him out. Today I had my camera handy - it was in my hand rather than in the Domke case - and when he saw it he became quite interested, which led to a little more back story. We sat and talked a bit about his past, about photography in general, about Nikon and Canon in particular, and it seemed like today would be the perfect day to start working on his portrait. This is the first snap, but there will be more to come. He wasn't feeling well today - he has emphysema and he was suffering from a bad cold or flu as well. So, forgive the quick grab - I'm posting it here as an introduction to an interesting and well-liked local character. A lot of people who frequent the post office look out for him, and care enough to know a little (or a lot) about him. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/charley.html Tech Details: istDS, K30/2.0 @ f/5.6, ISO 200, 1/100 sec Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO - Charley
Charley sits in front of the El Cerrito Post Office almost every day. Over a period of months I've come to know a little about him, and have sometimes helped him out. Today I had my camera handy - it was in my hand rather than in the Domke case - and when he saw it he became quite interested, which led to a little more back story. We sat and talked a bit about his past, about photography in general, about Nikon and Canon in particular, and it seemed like today would be the perfect day to start working on his portrait. This is the first snap, but there will be more to come. He wasn't feeling well today - he has emphysema and he was suffering from a bad cold or flu as well. So, forgive the quick grab - I'm posting it here as an introduction to an interesting and well-liked local character. A lot of people who frequent the post office look out for him, and care enough to know a little (or a lot) about him. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/charley.html Tech Details: istDS, K30/2.0 @ f/5.6, ISO 200, 1/100 sec Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Charley
Excellent portrait. I'd like to meet Charley. Paul On Jan 6, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Charley sits in front of the El Cerrito Post Office almost every day. Over a period of months I've come to know a little about him, and have sometimes helped him out. Today I had my camera handy - it was in my hand rather than in the Domke case - and when he saw it he became quite interested, which led to a little more back story. We sat and talked a bit about his past, about photography in general, about Nikon and Canon in particular, and it seemed like today would be the perfect day to start working on his portrait. This is the first snap, but there will be more to come. He wasn't feeling well today - he has emphysema and he was suffering from a bad cold or flu as well. So, forgive the quick grab - I'm posting it here as an introduction to an interesting and well-liked local character. A lot of people who frequent the post office look out for him, and care enough to know a little (or a lot) about him. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/charley.html Tech Details: istDS, K30/2.0 @ f/5.6, ISO 200, 1/100 sec Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Charley
Interesting shot, I think it would look better in BW. By the way don't you mean K30/2.8? Shel Belinkoff wrote: Charley sits in front of the El Cerrito Post Office almost every day. Over a period of months I've come to know a little about him, and have sometimes helped him out. Today I had my camera handy - it was in my hand rather than in the Domke case - and when he saw it he became quite interested, which led to a little more back story. We sat and talked a bit about his past, about photography in general, about Nikon and Canon in particular, and it seemed like today would be the perfect day to start working on his portrait. This is the first snap, but there will be more to come. He wasn't feeling well today - he has emphysema and he was suffering from a bad cold or flu as well. So, forgive the quick grab - I'm posting it here as an introduction to an interesting and well-liked local character. A lot of people who frequent the post office look out for him, and care enough to know a little (or a lot) about him. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/charley.html Tech Details: istDS, K30/2.0 @ f/5.6, ISO 200, 1/100 sec Shel -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Charley
Hello Shel, I look forward to more about him and his portraits. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, January 6, 2007, 6:39:50 PM, you wrote: SB Charley sits in front of the El Cerrito Post Office almost every day. Over SB a period of months I've come to know a little about him, and have sometimes SB helped him out. SB Today I had my camera handy - it was in my hand rather than in the Domke SB case - and when he saw it he became quite interested, which led to a little SB more back story. We sat and talked a bit about his past, about photography SB in general, about Nikon and Canon in particular, and it seemed like today SB would be the perfect day to start working on his portrait. This is the SB first snap, but there will be more to come. He wasn't feeling well today - SB he has emphysema and he was suffering from a bad cold or flu as well. So, SB forgive the quick grab - I'm posting it here as an introduction to an SB interesting and well-liked local character. A lot of people who frequent SB the post office look out for him, and care enough to know a little (or a SB lot) about him. SB http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/charley.html SB Tech Details: istDS, K30/2.0 @ f/5.6, ISO 200, 1/100 sec SB Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Charley
To be honest, without the back story it isn't much of a picture IMHO. I find the fact that his hands and the top of his head are cut off distracting. Get closer (or a longer lens perhaps), to focus on his face (and it's a face with character in spades :-), or step back to get more of the environment or maybe a portrait orientated shot would work better? I dunno. Anyway, it sounds like it may be the first of many. Cheers, Dave On 1/7/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charley sits in front of the El Cerrito Post Office almost every day. Over a period of months I've come to know a little about him, and have sometimes helped him out. Today I had my camera handy - it was in my hand rather than in the Domke case - and when he saw it he became quite interested, which led to a little more back story. We sat and talked a bit about his past, about photography in general, about Nikon and Canon in particular, and it seemed like today would be the perfect day to start working on his portrait. This is the first snap, but there will be more to come. He wasn't feeling well today - he has emphysema and he was suffering from a bad cold or flu as well. So, forgive the quick grab - I'm posting it here as an introduction to an interesting and well-liked local character. A lot of people who frequent the post office look out for him, and care enough to know a little (or a lot) about him. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/charley.html Tech Details: istDS, K30/2.0 @ f/5.6, ISO 200, 1/100 sec -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Charley
No, I meant K35/2.0 ... sigh Shel [Original Message] From: P. J. Alling Interesting shot, I think it would look better in BW. By the way don't you mean K30/2.8? http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/charley.html Tech Details: istDS, K30/2.0 @ f/5.6, ISO 200, 1/100 sec -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Charley
I never said it was anything more than a quick snap, literally a grab.. It's just a beginning. I don't consider it much of a photo either. It has a lot of deficiencies. Shel [Original Message] From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: 1/6/2007 10:24:01 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Charley To be honest, without the back story it isn't much of a picture IMHO. I find the fact that his hands and the top of his head are cut off distracting. Get closer (or a longer lens perhaps), to focus on his face (and it's a face with character in spades :-), or step back to get more of the environment or maybe a portrait orientated shot would work better? I dunno. Anyway, it sounds like it may be the first of many. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/charley.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
