PESO Spinning fire at sunset

[Larry Colen]

Nicole wanted to get sunset photos of lighthouses on opposite coasts on 
successive days, so we headed down to the lighthouse on west cliff 
drive.  Sunday nights, the firespinners go there to practice, so we also 
got some shots of that.


Here's a guy spinning fire with pois:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/27192318164/in/album-72157669502841071/

K-1, 15-30 at 16mm, ISO 400 f/11 3 seconds with a leading curtain flash.

Whole set:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157669502841071
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Re: Peso-The Fire Marshal Insists!

[P.J. Alling]

I'm not sure it's the Fire Marshal, I think it's just that bureaucrats 
can't find the stairs unless they're labeled as stairs.


On 11/5/2015 1:52 PM, Jack Davis wrote:


My wife pointed this out while we were in the waiting room of her Dr's office 
yesterday.
We thought it good for a faint grin.

C?

J

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Re: Peso-The Fire Marshal Insists!

[Jack Davis]

"UP" or "DOWN" must also be specified. 

J

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> On Nov 6, 2015, at 9:00 AM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure it's the Fire Marshal, I think it's just that bureaucrats can't 
> find the stairs unless they're labeled as stairs.
> 
>> On 11/5/2015 1:52 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>> My wife pointed this out while we were in the waiting room of her Dr's 
>> office yesterday.
>> We thought it good for a faint grin.
>> 
>> C?
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=996
>> 
> 
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Re: Peso-The Fire Marshal Insists!

[ann sanfedele]

I thought it was good for more than a faint grin :-)

ann

On 11/6/2015 8:13 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

LoL!
Actually he is a gastroenterologist!!
Guess they really should keep the sign.

J

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They have another they use for enemas, and don't want to get them confused.
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


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My wife pointed this out while we were in the waiting room of her Dr's office 
yesterday.
We thought it good for a faint grin.

C?

J

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=996

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Re: Peso-The Fire Marshal Insists!

[Jack Davis]

Glad it did it for you, Ann!

J

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> On Nov 6, 2015, at 9:40 AM, ann sanfedele <ann...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I thought it was good for more than a faint grin :-)
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 11/6/2015 8:13 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> LoL!
>> Actually he is a gastroenterologist!!
>> Guess they really should keep the sign.
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> - Original Message -
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>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <pdml@pdml.net>
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>> 
>> They have another they use for enemas, and don't want to get them confused.
>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My wife pointed this out while we were in the waiting room of her Dr's 
>>> office yesterday.
>>> We thought it good for a faint grin.
>>> 
>>> C?
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: Peso-The Fire Marshal Insists!

[Jack Davis]

LoL!
Actually he is a gastroenterologist!!
Guess they really should keep the sign.

J 

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They have another they use for enemas, and don't want to get them confused.
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On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
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>
> My wife pointed this out while we were in the waiting room of her Dr's office 
> yesterday.
> We thought it good for a faint grin.
>
> C?
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Peso-The Fire Marshal Insists!

[Jack Davis]

My wife pointed this out while we were in the waiting room of her Dr's office 
yesterday.
We thought it good for a faint grin.

C?

J

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Re: Peso-The Fire Marshal Insists!

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They have another they use for enemas, and don't want to get them confused.
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


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> My wife pointed this out while we were in the waiting room of her Dr's office 
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Re: Peso Stouffville fire truck

[Mark C]

Nice convergence of lines in this shot.

On 5/19/2013 4:11 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

The annual firehall open house was last Saturday. They have a restore
old fire truck that i have been trying to get a few decent shots of,
but they never put it in photographer friendly locations. This was the
best one all day, well actually the only one all day

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17337995

K-5, DFA 50-200, blue BW filter in LR4

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Re: Peso Stouffville fire truck

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On 19 May 2013, at 09:11, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

 The annual firehall open house was last Saturday. They have a restore
 old fire truck that i have been trying to get a few decent shots of,
 but they never put it in photographer friendly locations. This was the
 best one all day, well actually the only one all day
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17337995
 

Stouffville's entire social life seems to revolve around the fire truck. It 
must be like living in a David Lynch movie.

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Re: Peso Stouffville fire truck

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On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
 On 19 May 2013, at 09:11, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

 The annual firehall open house was last Saturday. They have a restore
 old fire truck that i have been trying to get a few decent shots of,
 but they never put it in photographer friendly locations. This was the
 best one all day, well actually the only one all day

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17337995


 Stouffville's entire social life seems to revolve around the fire truck. It 
 must be like living in a David Lynch movie.

We also have a farm

Dave

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Re: Peso Stouffville fire truck

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On 19 May 2013, at 11:38, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
 On 19 May 2013, at 09:11, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The annual firehall open house was last Saturday. They have a restore
 old fire truck that i have been trying to get a few decent shots of,
 but they never put it in photographer friendly locations. This was the
 best one all day, well actually the only one all day
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17337995
 
 Stouffville's entire social life seems to revolve around the fire truck. It 
 must be like living in a David Lynch movie.
 
 We also have a farm

Let's hope it never catches fire.

B
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Re: Peso Stouffville fire truck

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On 5/19/2013 9:32 AM, Bob W wrote:

On 19 May 2013, at 11:38, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:


On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:

On 19 May 2013, at 09:11, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:


The annual firehall open house was last Saturday. They have a restore
old fire truck that i have been trying to get a few decent shots of,
but they never put it in photographer friendly locations. This was the
best one all day, well actually the only one all day

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17337995

Stouffville's entire social life seems to revolve around the fire truck. It 
must be like living in a David Lynch movie.

We also have a farm

Let's hope it never catches fire.

B

You're overlooking that it would be the perfect confluence of events.

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Re: Peso: The Fire

[Cotty]

On 24/2/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed:

Only Cotty has the stature to be considered monolithic.

Some would say neolithic.

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Re: Peso: The Fire

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From: Cotty

On 24/2/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed:


Only Cotty has the stature to be considered monolithic.

Some would say neolithic.



Works either way.


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RE: Peso: The Fire

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 Cotty


 Only Cotty has the stature to be considered monolithic.
 
 Some would say neolithic.

palaeolithic. Don't flatter yourself, caveman.

B


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Re: Peso: The Fire

[Cotty]

On 25/2/11, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

palaeolithic. Don't flatter yourself, caveman.

You can guess which one I am :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DjAaOpsHOw

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Peso: The Fire

[Steven Desjardins]

I found this while looking for big weather:

http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1197611451_AEyZY-L-LB

This was from India.
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Re: Peso: The Fire

[Ann Sanfedele]

That's an intriguing photo - what's going on there?

ann

Steven Desjardins wrote:


I found this while looking for big weather:

http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1197611451_AEyZY-L-LB

This was from India.
 





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Re: Peso: The Fire

[Steven Desjardins]

Just a kid sitting by the side of the road behind a building.  The
sign has fallen over and I assumed those fires were deliberately set.
As with many of these shots, I was taking pictures out the window of a
bus with the DS on full manual.

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 That's an intriguing photo - what's going on there?

 ann

 Steven Desjardins wrote:

 I found this while looking for big weather:


 http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1197611451_AEyZY-L-LB

 This was from India.




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Re: Peso: The Fire

[Elizabeth Masoner]

Wow, the stain on the wall that suggests a human form/shadow makes that
shot down right spooky.

On 2/24/11 4:22 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:

I found this while looking for big weather:

http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1197611451_AEyZ
Y-L-LB

This was from India.
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RE: Peso: The Fire

[Bob W]

 I found this while looking for big weather:
 
 http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1197611451_A
 EyZY-L-LB
 
 This was from India.
 --
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I like that, it's very unusual and interesting.

B


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Re: Peso: The Fire

[Walter Gilbert]

 That's exactly what I thought.  I even saw some facial structure in it!

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On 2/24/2011 5:18 PM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:

Wow, the stain on the wall that suggests a human form/shadow makes that
shot down right spooky.

On 2/24/11 4:22 PM, Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com  wrote:


I found this while looking for big weather:

http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1197611451_AEyZ
Y-L-LB

This was from India.
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Re: Peso: The Fire

[Jack Davis]

This generates real interest. I like how the shutter speed tore up or shredded 
the flames. The fact that there are two fires in such close proximity is 
curious. The child sitting alone seemingly relating to the flames.
Nice work, Steve!

Jack  

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 Subject: Peso: The Fire
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 Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 2:22 PM
 I found this while looking for big
 weather:
 
 http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1197611451_AEyZY-L-LB
 
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Re: Peso: The Fire

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Steven Desjardins wrote:


Just a kid sitting by the side of the road behind a building.  The
sign has fallen over and I assumed those fires were deliberately set.
As with many of these shots, I was taking pictures out the window of a
bus with the DS on full manual.
 

Well,  it is a striking image.  


ann


On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 


That's an intriguing photo - what's going on there?

ann

Steven Desjardins wrote:

   


I found this while looking for big weather:


http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1197611451_AEyZY-L-LB

This was from India.

 



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Re: Peso: The Fire

[Steven Desjardins]

I got curious because the image I found was only 1220 by 700,
obviously a crop.  I found an entire folder dropped into another
folder, which I missed.  75-80 shots of Hopset and Hampi, including
the original of this one.  Quite a find, since Hampi was one of the
most amazing places I have ever visited.  I had forgotten about these
pictures, and it's really strange to look at them knowing that I took
them.  Has this happened to anyone else?

For some reason, this one makes me think of Cotty:

http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1197695783_A2JsC-L-LB


On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:


 Steven Desjardins wrote:

 Just a kid sitting by the side of the road behind a building.  The
 sign has fallen over and I assumed those fires were deliberately set.
 As with many of these shots, I was taking pictures out the window of a
 bus with the DS on full manual.


 Well,  it is a striking image.
 ann

 On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:


 That's an intriguing photo - what's going on there?

 ann

 Steven Desjardins wrote:



 I found this while looking for big weather:



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Re: Peso: The Fire

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Steven Desjardins wrote:


I got curious because the image I found was only 1220 by 700,
obviously a crop.  I found an entire folder dropped into another
folder, which I missed.  75-80 shots of Hopset and Hampi, including
the original of this one.  Quite a find, since Hampi was one of the
most amazing places I have ever visited.  I had forgotten about these
pictures, and it's really strange to look at them knowing that I took
them.  Has this happened to anyone else?

Yes  - Ii've gone back into old contact sheets and found stuff I'd 
forgotten I'd taken and places I'd
forgotten I'd been.  Not to mention finding shots that I think now are 
better than what I had selected back then

as being intersting.


For some reason, this one makes me think of Cotty:

http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1197695783_A2JsC-L-LB


hey its a sign shot, you should have thought of me first

ann




 





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Re: Peso: The Fire

[Steven Desjardins]

Only Cotty has the stature to be considered monolithic.

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:


 Steven Desjardins wrote:

 I got curious because the image I found was only 1220 by 700,
 obviously a crop.  I found an entire folder dropped into another
 folder, which I missed.  75-80 shots of Hopset and Hampi, including
 the original of this one.  Quite a find, since Hampi was one of the
 most amazing places I have ever visited.  I had forgotten about these
 pictures, and it's really strange to look at them knowing that I took
 them.  Has this happened to anyone else?

 Yes  - Ii've gone back into old contact sheets and found stuff I'd forgotten
 I'd taken and places I'd
 forgotten I'd been.  Not to mention finding shots that I think now are
 better than what I had selected back then
 as being intersting.

 For some reason, this one makes me think of Cotty:


 http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1197695783_A2JsC-L-LB

 hey its a sign shot, you should have thought of me first

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Re: Peso: The Fire

[Ann Sanfedele]

Steven Desjardins wrote:


Only Cotty has the stature to be considered monolithic.


Ahhh well in that case...
ann



On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 


Steven Desjardins wrote:

   


I got curious because the image I found was only 1220 by 700,
obviously a crop.  I found an entire folder dropped into another
folder, which I missed.  75-80 shots of Hopset and Hampi, including
the original of this one.  Quite a find, since Hampi was one of the
most amazing places I have ever visited.  I had forgotten about these
pictures, and it's really strange to look at them knowing that I took
them.  Has this happened to anyone else?

 


Yes  - Ii've gone back into old contact sheets and found stuff I'd forgotten
I'd taken and places I'd
forgotten I'd been.  Not to mention finding shots that I think now are
better than what I had selected back then
as being intersting.

   


For some reason, this one makes me think of Cotty:


http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1197695783_A2JsC-L-LB

 


hey its a sign shot, you should have thought of me first

ann


   

 



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RE: PESO: Another fire escape picture

[Bob W]

 
 Mark Roberts wrote:
  I don't know why I like taking photos of fire escapes...
  http://www.robertstech.com/temp/
 
 c'est fromage, tres fromage
 

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Re: PESO: Another fire escape picture

[Boris Liberman]

Good old nineteen eighties, when things were so uncomplicated... (ELO)

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
 I don't know why I like taking photos of fire escapes...
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Re: PESO: Another fire escape picture

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In a message dated 10/21/2009 11:17:53 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
m...@robertstech.com writes:
I don't know why I like  taking photos of fire  escapes...
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/



Nice  one, like it. Good colors, geometry, and framing.

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PESO: Another fire escape picture

[Mark Roberts]

I don't know why I like taking photos of fire escapes...
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/


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Re: PESO: Another fire escape picture

[Bruce Walker]

Mark Roberts wrote:

I don't know why I like taking photos of fire escapes...
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/


It's not a problem if you don't mind the amused stares.

I love the warm colours in this.

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Re: PESO: Another fire escape picture

[Christian]

Mark Roberts wrote:

I don't know why I like taking photos of fire escapes...
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/



ooo ahhh  love the colors and composition.

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Re: PESO: Another fire escape picture

[Jack Davis]

In my case, it would be the rust. Very red bricks, perhaps as a result of 
enhancing the rust?

Jack

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 From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com
 Subject: PESO: Another fire escape picture
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 11:17 AM
 I don't know why I like taking photos
 of fire escapes...
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/
 
 
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Re: PESO: Another fire escape picture

[David J Brooks]

Nice. I like the angles to this one

Dave

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 I don't know why I like taking photos of fire escapes...
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/


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Re: PESO: Another fire escape picture

[frank theriault]

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
 I don't know why I like taking photos of fire escapes...
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/

Fire escapes are cool.

Lovely pic - love the textures and composition.

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Re: PESO: Another fire escape picture

[Doug Brewer]

Mark Roberts wrote:

I don't know why I like taking photos of fire escapes...
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/


c'est fromage, tres fromage

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Re: PESO - Night Fire

[Cotty]

On 20/9/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

Meet Tom's wife sometime.
You'll be eatin those words.

William Robb

Welcome back Bill.




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Re: PESO - Night Fire

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: Jens Bladt

Subject: RE: PESO - Night Fire




Very dangerous tool! Don't you ever dare to point one at your wife! She'll
make you sell it and buy a Soligor in stead.


Meet Tom's wife sometime.
You'll be eatin those words.

William Robb

Re: PESO - Night Fire

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 9/4/2005 2:21:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A wildfire started yesterday not too far from home (about 20 miles).  This 
shot is about a 50% crop, taken with the *istD and the FA 31mm  f/1.8 LTD.  
ISO 400, at f/2.8, 13 seconds in bulb mode.

Comments welcome.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3697717

Tom C.
=
Very nice shot.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: PESO - Night Fire

[frank theriault]

On 9/4/05, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A wildfire started yesterday not too far from home (about 20 miles).  This
 shot is about a 50% crop, taken with the *istD and the FA 31mm  f/1.8 LTD.
 ISO 400, at f/2.8, 13 seconds in bulb mode.
 
 Comments welcome.
 
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3697717
 
 Tom C.

GREAT photo, Tom.

I mean, everything is there.  The silhouette of the hill/trees, the
brightly lit orange smoke, and those brilliant stars!  It's the stars
that make it, actually.  As a city slicker, I'm not used to seeing so
many stars in the sky on a clear night, let alone when there's a
forest fire over the hill.

Did you do anything in PS to enhance the stars, or is that a
relatively straight shot?

Terrific!

cheers,
frank

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Re: PESO - Night Fire

[Tom C]

Boris wrote:



A question, if you don't mind. Why did you use bulb mode if *istD has 
shutter speeds as slow as 30 secs?




Thanks for the kind words.  Mainly because I was bracketing exposures, so 
it's easier to keep it in bulb mode and count the seconds than it is to keep 
adjusting the shutter speed between exposures.


Tom C.

Re: PESO - Night Fire

[Tom C]

Frank wrote:



GREAT photo, Tom.

I mean, everything is there.  The silhouette of the hill/trees, the
brightly lit orange smoke, and those brilliant stars!  It's the stars
that make it, actually.  As a city slicker, I'm not used to seeing so
many stars in the sky on a clear night, let alone when there's a
forest fire over the hill.

Did you do anything in PS to enhance the stars, or is that a
relatively straight shot?

Terrific!




Glad you enjoyed it Frank, thanks.  No special PS'ing was done.  The stars 
were clearly visible when I took the shot.  The long exposure no doubt 
brought them out a little more.  We do have very dark skies here.


Tom C.

Re: PESO - Night Fire

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

A wildfire started yesterday not too far from home (about 20 miles).  
This shot is about a 50% crop, taken with the *istD and the FA 31mm  
f/1.8 LTD.  ISO 400, at f/2.8, 13 seconds in bulb mode.


Comments welcome.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3697717


Tom, I see some night fire, but I don't see any night extinguishers... ;-).

Very nicely done.

A question, if you don't mind. Why did you use bulb mode if *istD has 
shutter speeds as slow as 30 secs?


Boris

PESO - Night Fire

[Tom C]

A wildfire started yesterday not too far from home (about 20 miles).  This 
shot is about a 50% crop, taken with the *istD and the FA 31mm  f/1.8 LTD.  
ISO 400, at f/2.8, 13 seconds in bulb mode.


Comments welcome.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3697717

Tom C.

RE: PESO - Night Fire

[Jens Bladt]

Brilliantly done, Tom. Beautiful!
I just hate all you guys, who can afford a limited lens. They are just too
darned sharp - even fully opened.
Very dangerous tool! Don't you ever dare to point one at your whife! She'll
make you sell it and buy a Soligor in stead.

Jens Bladt
Arkitekt MAA
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 4. september 2005 23:20
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: PESO - Night Fire


A wildfire started yesterday not too far from home (about 20 miles).  This
shot is about a 50% crop, taken with the *istD and the FA 31mm  f/1.8 LTD.
ISO 400, at f/2.8, 13 seconds in bulb mode.

Comments welcome.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3697717

Tom C.

Re: PESO - Night Fire

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Very nice, Tom!

Godfrey

On Sep 4, 2005, at 2:19 PM, Tom C wrote:

A wildfire started yesterday not too far from home (about 20  
miles).  This shot is about a 50% crop, taken with the *istD and  
the FA 31mm  f/1.8 LTD.  ISO 400, at f/2.8, 13 seconds in bulb mode.


Comments welcome.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3697717

Tom C.

RE: PESO - Night Fire

[Tom C]

Thanks Jens!  Glad you liked it.

I submitted several shots to the local newspaper.  Most wildfire shots they 
publish are of helicopters or planes dropping fire retardant.  Maybe this'll 
be something different.


Tom C.





From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: PESO - Night Fire
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:39:35 +0200

Brilliantly done, Tom. Beautiful!
I just hate all you guys, who can afford a limited lens. They are just too
darned sharp - even fully opened.
Very dangerous tool! Don't you ever dare to point one at your whife! She'll
make you sell it and buy a Soligor in stead.

Jens Bladt
Arkitekt MAA
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 4. september 2005 23:20
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: PESO - Night Fire


A wildfire started yesterday not too far from home (about 20 miles).  This
shot is about a 50% crop, taken with the *istD and the FA 31mm  f/1.8 LTD.
ISO 400, at f/2.8, 13 seconds in bulb mode.

Comments welcome.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3697717

Tom C.

Re: PESO: Sky Fire

[David Savage]

G'day Frank.

It does help to put the shot into some sort of context. Celebrations
in Suburbia?

IMO the better examples of these type of shots, that I've seen, always
contain more that just the fireworks. (Not that I'm saying that this
is a particularly good example :-)

Thanks for looking  commenting

Dave

On 8/23/05, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 8/21/05, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  G'day All,
 
  So I'm changing my sheets when I hear this almighty boom.
 
  I instantly knew what it was, the local Portuguese club was
  celebrating something with fireworks (it happens a few times a year).
  So I grabbed my tripod, *ist D with my new 16-45  quickly set up on
  the front porch.
 
  Had a look through the viewfinder  swore out loud because I didn't
  have enough reach. Ran back inside  changed over to the 77 Ltd. Much
  better :-).
 
  This is my first ever fireworks shot, taken about halfway through the
  show (I only managed 3 more before it was all over):
 
  http://tinyurl.com/9ntwd
 
  Cropped a bit off the top  left side, also PS'ed some power lines out
  of the bottom quarter.
 
  Nothing special, just though I'd share. Comments  thoughts always welcome.
 
  Dave
 
  P.S. I now have a greater appreciation of how difficult it is to make
  good fireworks photos.
 
 I like this a lot!
 
 The fireworks themselves are very well captured, but I like the
 silhouettes below - they really give the shot a lot of character,
 IMHO.
 
 Cool!
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
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Re: PESO: Sky Fire

[David Savage]

G'day Shel,

Makes me think of a palm tree.

Your right, it is over exposed. I was so rushed I left the camera in
aperture priority with +0.5 stops of exposure compensation dialed in
from earlier in the day. If I were to do it again I would use bulb
instead.

Thanks for looking.

Dave

On 8/21/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't care much for fireworks or fireworks pics, but I like this one -
 the long trail makes it work for me.  However, it appears a bit over
 exposed.
 
 Shel
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: David Savage
 
  This is my first ever fireworks shot, taken about halfway through the
  show (I only managed 3 more before it was all over):
 
  http://tinyurl.com/9ntwd
 
  Cropped a bit off the top  left side, also PS'ed some power lines out
  of the bottom quarter.
 
  Nothing special, just though I'd share.
 
 

Re: PESO: Sky Fire

[David Savage]

G'day Cotty,

Yep. That is my first ever fireworks shot.

 I'm pretty pleased with it. The last 3 shots were pretty ordinary. So
this is a case of pure dumb luck :-)

Glad you enjoyed  thanks for looking.

Dave

On 8/21/05, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 21/8/05, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/9ntwd
 
 Cropped a bit off the top  left side, also PS'ed some power lines out
 of the bottom quarter.
 
 Nothing special, just though I'd share. Comments  thoughts always welcome.
 
 That's a lovely shot mate, and it's your first one?? Superb.
 
 
 
 
 Cheers,
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Re: PESO: Sky Fire

[David Savage]

That might have something to do with it Keith :-)

Dave

On 8/22/05, keithw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
  I don't care much for fireworks or fireworks pics, but I like this one -
  the long trail makes it work for me.  However, it appears a bit over
  exposed.
 
 That's because he exposure time was 30 seconds, I suppose. g
 
 keith
 
  Shel
 
 
 
 [Original Message]
 From: David Savage
 
 
 This is my first ever fireworks shot, taken about halfway through the
 show (I only managed 3 more before it was all over):
 
 http://tinyurl.com/9ntwd
 
 Cropped a bit off the top  left side, also PS'ed some power lines out
 of the bottom quarter.
 
 Nothing special, just though I'd share.
 

Re: PESO: Sky Fire

[David Savage]

G'day Marnie,

I though it was pretty neat for a first attempt. As I said in my post
to Cotty, pure dumb luck g

Thanks for looking.

Dave

On 8/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 8/21/2005 6:13:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 This is my first ever fireworks shot, taken about halfway through the
 show (I only managed 3 more before it was all over):
 
 http://tinyurl.com/9ntwd
 
 Cropped a bit off the top  left side, also PS'ed some power lines out
 of the bottom quarter.
 
 Nothing special, just though I'd share. Comments  thoughts always welcome.
 
 Dave
 =
 Cool shot. You caught it at a good moment.
 
 Marnie aka Doe
 

Re: PESO: Sky Fire

[Shel Belinkoff]

A simple curves adjustment improves things considerably.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: David Savage 

 Makes me think of a palm tree.

 Your right, it is over exposed. I was so rushed I left the camera in
 aperture priority with +0.5 stops of exposure compensation dialed in
 from earlier in the day. If I were to do it again I would use bulb
 instead.

Re: PESO: Sky Fire

[David Savage]

True. I was just being half arsed with my post processing g. I've
add a revised version.

http://tinyurl.com/7aafx

Dave

On 8/22/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 A simple curves adjustment improves things considerably.
 
 Shel

Re: PESO: Sky Fire

[frank theriault]

On 8/21/05, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 G'day All,
 
 So I'm changing my sheets when I hear this almighty boom.
 
 I instantly knew what it was, the local Portuguese club was
 celebrating something with fireworks (it happens a few times a year).
 So I grabbed my tripod, *ist D with my new 16-45  quickly set up on
 the front porch.
 
 Had a look through the viewfinder  swore out loud because I didn't
 have enough reach. Ran back inside  changed over to the 77 Ltd. Much
 better :-).
 
 This is my first ever fireworks shot, taken about halfway through the
 show (I only managed 3 more before it was all over):
 
 http://tinyurl.com/9ntwd
 
 Cropped a bit off the top  left side, also PS'ed some power lines out
 of the bottom quarter.
 
 Nothing special, just though I'd share. Comments  thoughts always welcome.
 
 Dave
 
 P.S. I now have a greater appreciation of how difficult it is to make
 good fireworks photos.

I like this a lot!

The fireworks themselves are very well captured, but I like the
silhouettes below - they really give the shot a lot of character,
IMHO.

Cool!

cheers,
frank

-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

PESO: Sky Fire

[David Savage]

G'day All,

So I'm changing my sheets when I hear this almighty boom.

I instantly knew what it was, the local Portuguese club was
celebrating something with fireworks (it happens a few times a year).
So I grabbed my tripod, *ist D with my new 16-45  quickly set up on
the front porch.

Had a look through the viewfinder  swore out loud because I didn't
have enough reach. Ran back inside  changed over to the 77 Ltd. Much
better :-).

This is my first ever fireworks shot, taken about halfway through the
show (I only managed 3 more before it was all over):

http://tinyurl.com/9ntwd

Cropped a bit off the top  left side, also PS'ed some power lines out
of the bottom quarter.

Nothing special, just though I'd share. Comments  thoughts always welcome.

Dave

P.S. I now have a greater appreciation of how difficult it is to make
good fireworks photos.

RE: PESO: Sky Fire

[Shel Belinkoff]

I don't care much for fireworks or fireworks pics, but I like this one -
the long trail makes it work for me.  However, it appears a bit over
exposed.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: David Savage 

 This is my first ever fireworks shot, taken about halfway through the
 show (I only managed 3 more before it was all over):

 http://tinyurl.com/9ntwd

 Cropped a bit off the top  left side, also PS'ed some power lines out
 of the bottom quarter.

 Nothing special, just though I'd share. 

Re: PESO: Sky Fire

[Cotty]

On 21/8/05, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:

http://tinyurl.com/9ntwd

Cropped a bit off the top  left side, also PS'ed some power lines out
of the bottom quarter.

Nothing special, just though I'd share. Comments  thoughts always welcome.

That's a lovely shot mate, and it's your first one?? Superb.




Cheers,
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Re: PESO: Sky Fire

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 8/21/2005 6:13:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is my first ever fireworks shot, taken about halfway through the
show (I only managed 3 more before it was all over):

http://tinyurl.com/9ntwd

Cropped a bit off the top  left side, also PS'ed some power lines out
of the bottom quarter.

Nothing special, just though I'd share. Comments  thoughts always welcome.

Dave
=
Cool shot. You caught it at a good moment.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: PESO: Sky Fire

[keithw]

Shel Belinkoff wrote:


I don't care much for fireworks or fireworks pics, but I like this one -
the long trail makes it work for me.  However, it appears a bit over
exposed.


That's because he exposure time was 30 seconds, I suppose. g

keith


Shel 





[Original Message]
From: David Savage 




This is my first ever fireworks shot, taken about halfway through the
show (I only managed 3 more before it was all over):

http://tinyurl.com/9ntwd

Cropped a bit off the top  left side, also PS'ed some power lines out
of the bottom quarter.

Nothing special, just though I'd share. 

RE: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Shel Belinkoff]

Well, that's fair enuf ... constructive criticism  and a compliment. Those
broad shoulders of which you speak are nothing more than padding ;-))

You're right in that I didn't work on this nearly as much as I've worked on
others, perhaps because I didn't care for it as much as some other photos. 
I've been looking at it for months trying to decide if I liked it ... 

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Anthony Farr 

 I never comment much on peoples' work, but I know you've got broad
shoulders
 and can give and take criticism without getting emotional.  I'm also an
 admirer of your work, especially as it's in a genre where I have little
 talent.

 As for the content of this shot, I find it enigmatic that the narrative is
 about the drummer, but the other character in the shot is so engaging, and
 so well captured and rendered, that he 'steals the show'.  He's really
worth
 his own photograph.

 This picture is IMO technically  well short of your usual high standard,
and
 it stands out enough in its deficiency for me to make a very rare
criticism
 of another's work.  I'm accustomed to seeing documentary and street
 photography presented with slightly less contrast than other genres, and I
 suspect that it's more a matter of fashion than necessity, but it's not my
 place to tell another group of photographers that their preferences are
 wrong.  They're not wrong, just different to my own.  I prefer more robust
 tonality and I'm not afraid of solid black or blank white.  What bothers
me
 is muddiness close to the limits, especially when we now have the means to
 easily optimise problems that we once had to either accept or spend much
 time/money to correct with advanced darkroom manipulations.

 But this example has conspicuously weak highlights when you consider that
 they aren't blown out, just unrealised in the result.  The highlights are
 there for you if you use the tools to recover them.

 My expectation of Shel Belinkoff is that he'd sweat blood to get the best
 result before our eyes.  (That's a compliment BTW).  This shot wasn't
ready
 for our eyes, IMO.

Re: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[frank theriault]

On 4/16/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/firedrum.html
 
 Caught these entertainers on Market Street in San Francisco.  They were
 putting on quite a show.   Comments welcome.  If you'd care to comment,
 please let me know if this size allows you to see the entire photo and the
 caption without scrolling.  Pic is about 200K.
 
 Tech details: Leica M2, 35mm Summicron f/2.0, Tri-X in Ilford ID-11
 

It still comes up Error, Page Not Found for me, but Shel kindly sent
it to me as an attachment off-list.

I like it a lot, except that it looks to me like the fellow on the
right is a spectator, rather than a performer.  That in no way
diminishes my enjoyment at looking at this photo, but it gives me a
different dynamic than I suspect that you feel, Shel.

In a way, I prefer thinking of the fellow on the right as a spectator,
as his energetic dance gives much more life to the photo than if I
thought of him as one of the performers.

There are lots of distractions, like the electrical boxes and cars,
pedestrians, the building in the background, but they're all part of
the scene, I suppose.  It's the environment that he's in.  Still, it's
too bad that they couldn't be somehow toned down or somehow
eliminated.

Overall, if I were one of those guys doing movie reviews, I'd give
this a qualified thumbs up.  A very good photo, but really, not one of
your best, Shel.  Great vitality and a wonderful feeling of engagement
by the viewer, but the business detracts somewhat, IMHO.

cheers,
frank

-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

RE: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Anthony Farr]

Hi Shel,

I also see the whole image, but only by a whisker because I have the
Office toolbar permanently docked to the top of my screen.  I could
autohide it, but then it would unnerve me to by jumping in and out when the
cursor touches the screen edge.

Bruce hit right onto my feeling about this picture, that the role of the
standing man is ambiguous.  Is he associated with the performance?  Is he
merely a bystander?  Or is he a bystander who has ingratiated himself into
the performance?  What is clear is that he is the most visually interesting
part of the picture, while the man whose story the picture tells is
secondary.

But further, I'm underwhelmed by the tonal quality of this picture.  Here
again it's obvious that the standing man is pivotal to the shot, because all
of the optimisation is upon him.  He is wonderfully tonally rendered, but
the plastic drums, the building opposite, and the white car behind the
drummer all are practically toneless.

If you tell me that this is a scan from a print, and that you disdain
digital post processing, and prefer to faithfully reproduce the print, and
that you don't care about tonal quality outside the subject matter of a
picture, then I'll withdraw my criticism.  Not because the print (if there
is one) couldn't be better, but because correcting what I consider to be
problem areas without obvious burning and dodging transitions would be a
challenge not justified by the needs of a casual PESO PAW forum.

Then again, if you do digitally post process your shots, there are several
pathways to optimising all the tonal areas of a picture.  The fact that you
didn't use one of them suggests you have chosen the altruistic path of image
purity and integrity.  That's my good spin on it, anyway ;-)

regards,
Anthony Farr 

 -Original Message-
 From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Hello Shel,
 
 First off, I can see the entire photo and caption with no scrolling.
 
 Now on to the pic, the BW tonal range is very good - another
 technically good shot/processing.  Somehow, this shot doesn't quite do
 it for me.  I'm thinking that perhaps the angle with the fire just
 doesn't show any intensity or something.  The guy on the right must
 have some significance, but I am not sure what - participant or
 observer?  Perhaps a steeper angle to show the fire going into his
 mouth more from the side.  But I do like the context with the sign
 visible.
 
 --
 Best regards,
 Bruce
 

RE: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Shel Belinkoff]

Thanks for your comments ...

By all accounts the pic sucks (no one seems to like it) , and I wasn't too
happy with it myself.  Although I tried, I just couldn't get it up to my
usual standards.   It's far from my best, but I like it anyway as a little
slice of the action that happens on the street.

Anyway, it is what it is, and there's no need for you to make excuses for
it, if that's what you're doing.

I do, however, strongly disagree with your comment about the casual needs
of the PAW and PESO postings.  I believe those who post should at least try
to make the best renderings possible. The world is already too filled with
junk images and photographs, and posting crap without at least trying to
make the results good, or asking for help, or at least acknowledging that
one's skills weren't up to the task (which is, perhaps, tantamount to
asking for suggestions), does the poster and the community here, as well as
other viewers, a disservice.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Date: 4/17/2005 9:23:42 AM
 Subject: RE: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

 Hi Shel,

 I also see the whole image, but only by a whisker because I have the
 Office toolbar permanently docked to the top of my screen.  I could
 autohide it, but then it would unnerve me to by jumping in and out when
the
 cursor touches the screen edge.

 Bruce hit right onto my feeling about this picture, that the role of the
 standing man is ambiguous.  Is he associated with the performance?  Is he
 merely a bystander?  Or is he a bystander who has ingratiated himself into
 the performance?  What is clear is that he is the most visually
interesting
 part of the picture, while the man whose story the picture tells is
 secondary.

 But further, I'm underwhelmed by the tonal quality of this picture.  Here
 again it's obvious that the standing man is pivotal to the shot, because
all
 of the optimisation is upon him.  He is wonderfully tonally rendered, but
 the plastic drums, the building opposite, and the white car behind the
 drummer all are practically toneless.

 If you tell me that this is a scan from a print, and that you disdain
 digital post processing, and prefer to faithfully reproduce the print, and
 that you don't care about tonal quality outside the subject matter of a
 picture, then I'll withdraw my criticism.  Not because the print (if there
 is one) couldn't be better, but because correcting what I consider to be
 problem areas without obvious burning and dodging transitions would be a
 challenge not justified by the needs of a casual PESO PAW forum.

 Then again, if you do digitally post process your shots, there are several
 pathways to optimising all the tonal areas of a picture.  The fact that
you
 didn't use one of them suggests you have chosen the altruistic path of
image
 purity and integrity.  That's my good spin on it, anyway ;-)

Re: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[John Forbes]

Hear hear.
John
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:10:38 -0700, Shel Belinkoff  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...
I do, however, strongly disagree with your comment about the casual needs
of the PAW and PESO postings.  I believe those who post should at least  
try
to make the best renderings possible. The world is already too filled  
with
junk images and photographs, and posting crap without at least trying to
make the results good, or asking for help, or at least acknowledging that
one's skills weren't up to the task (which is, perhaps, tantamount to
asking for suggestions), does the poster and the community here, as well  
as
other viewers, a disservice.

Shel

[Original Message]
From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Date: 4/17/2005 9:23:42 AM
Subject: RE: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer
Hi Shel,
I also see the whole image, but only by a whisker because I have the
Office toolbar permanently docked to the top of my screen.  I could
autohide it, but then it would unnerve me to by jumping in and out when
the
cursor touches the screen edge.
Bruce hit right onto my feeling about this picture, that the role of the
standing man is ambiguous.  Is he associated with the performance?  Is  
he
merely a bystander?  Or is he a bystander who has ingratiated himself  
into
the performance?  What is clear is that he is the most visually
interesting
part of the picture, while the man whose story the picture tells is
secondary.
But further, I'm underwhelmed by the tonal quality of this picture.   
Here
again it's obvious that the standing man is pivotal to the shot, because
all
of the optimisation is upon him.  He is wonderfully tonally rendered,  
but
the plastic drums, the building opposite, and the white car behind the
drummer all are practically toneless.

If you tell me that this is a scan from a print, and that you disdain
digital post processing, and prefer to faithfully reproduce the print,  
and
that you don't care about tonal quality outside the subject matter of a
picture, then I'll withdraw my criticism.  Not because the print (if  
there
is one) couldn't be better, but because correcting what I consider to be
problem areas without obvious burning and dodging transitions would be a
challenge not justified by the needs of a casual PESO PAW forum.

Then again, if you do digitally post process your shots, there are  
several
pathways to optimising all the tonal areas of a picture.  The fact that
you
didn't use one of them suggests you have chosen the altruistic path of
image
purity and integrity.  That's my good spin on it, anyway ;-)




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RE: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Anthony Farr]

 -Original Message-
 From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
(snip)
 
 I do, however, strongly disagree with your comment about the casual needs
 of the PAW and PESO postings.  I believe those who post should at least
try
 to make the best renderings possible. The world is already too filled with
junk images and photographs, and posting crap without at least trying to
make the results good, or asking for help, or at least acknowledging that
one's skills weren't up to the task (which is, perhaps, tantamount to asking
for suggestions), does the poster and the community here, as well as other
viewers, a disservice.

(snip)

Those are also my views, but I hadn't assumed your motivation was the same
as mine.  However I still think that the tonal quality of this shot is below
par except for that one puzzling part of the composition - the man on the
right who isn't even the nominal subject.  He alone is expertly rendered.

Also, you didn't admit any shortcomings with the picture when first posted.
I could only assume that it was either the best you could do or wanted to
do, or that altruism prevented you from photoshopping it, or that this was
an un-optimized work print that was presented without a disclaimer.

regards,
Anthony Farr

RE: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Shel Belinkoff]

Actually, had you read the entire thread you'd have seen that I told Paul I
wasn't happy with the pic.  By not saying anything on the initial posting I
felt I'd not contaminate comments or opinions.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Anthony Farr 

 Also, you didn't admit any shortcomings with the picture when first
posted.
 I could only assume that it was either the best you could do or wanted to
 do, or that altruism prevented you from photoshopping it, or that this
was
 an un-optimized work print that was presented without a disclaimer.

RE: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Shel Belinkoff]

So, would you care to repeat that a third or fourth time LOL

I'm curious as to why this particular photo has so much interest for you
... you've little good to say about it, yet you keep coming back to it and
repeating yourself.  

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Anthony Farr 

 ... However I still think that the tonal quality of this shot is below
 par except for that one puzzling part of the composition - the man on the
 right who isn't even the nominal subject.  He alone is expertly rendered.

RE: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Anthony Farr]

OK, sorry, I read the thread but didn't absorb the correspondence very well
:-(

I wonder now if I've only ever seen a toned down second edition of Fire
Eating Drummer.  If so I suspect that you've reduced the contrast globally,
and this has excessively flattened the highlight tonality.  It's a foible of
film that the highlights have less contrast than the midtones, because they
are 'rolling over' onto the shoulder.  If you reduce contrast to contain
extremes of exposure, or to limit the midtone contrast, the highlights can
get crushed.

Have you thought about adjusting curves across several layers.  In that
technique you work two layers at a time - the floating layer is optimised
for best midtones while the background layer is optimised for either
highlight or shadow separation of tones, letting everything else go to hell
because they'll be thrown away at the end.  You select the floating layer
and erase the problem areas to reveal the optimised areas underneath.  You
can repeat the process as often as you want by copying the original image
back in, making it the new background layer and then optimising it for the
part you want to correct next.

It's the digital version of dodging and burning multicontrast paper at
different grades.  If you haven't tried it you should give it a go.  It's
like magic to see the highlights and shadows fill up with details before
your eyes.

I could send you a 'quick  dirty' rework of your shot if you like, but I've
got no webspace to post it myself, and wouldn't put up an unauthorised
version of someone else's work, anyway.

regards,
Anthony Farr 

 -Original Message-
 From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, 18 April 2005 12:02 PM
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: RE: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer
 
 Actually, had you read the entire thread you'd have seen that I told Paul
I
 wasn't happy with the pic.  By not saying anything on the initial posting
I
 felt I'd not contaminate comments or opinions.
 
 Shel
 
 

RE: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Shel Belinkoff]

 [Original Message]
 From: Anthony Farr 

 OK, sorry, I read the thread but didn't absorb the correspondence very
well
 :-(

 I wonder now if I've only ever seen a toned down second edition of Fire
 Eating Drummer.  If so I suspect that you've reduced the contrast
globally,
 and this has excessively flattened the highlight tonality.  

I made no global adjustments.

 Have you thought about adjusting curves across several layers. 

[..snip..]

I've not thought about doing that.  Frankly, the photo doesn't interest me
that much beyond its value as a document of what one sometimes sees on a
street corner in downtown San Francisco. 


 It's the digital version of dodging and burning multicontrast paper at
 different grades.  If you haven't tried it you should give it a go.  It's
 like magic to see the highlights and shadows fill up with details before
 your eyes.

Go at it and shoot it to me by email. 

Re: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[frank theriault]

On 4/16/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/firedrum.html
 
 Caught these entertainers on Market Street in San Francisco.  They were
 putting on quite a show.   Comments welcome.  If you'd care to comment,
 please let me know if this size allows you to see the entire photo and the
 caption without scrolling.  Pic is about 200K.
 
 Tech details: Leica M2, 35mm Summicron f/2.0, Tri-X in Ilford ID-11
 

Did you take it off, Shel?

I keep getting, Page not found.

-frank


-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

RE: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Anthony Farr]

Shel,

I never comment much on peoples' work, but I know you've got broad shoulders
and can give and take criticism without getting emotional.  I'm also an
admirer of your work, especially as it's in a genre where I have little
talent.

As for the content of this shot, I find it enigmatic that the narrative is
about the drummer, but the other character in the shot is so engaging, and
so well captured and rendered, that he 'steals the show'.  He's really worth
his own photograph.

This picture is IMO technically  well short of your usual high standard, and
it stands out enough in its deficiency for me to make a very rare criticism
of another's work.  I'm accustomed to seeing documentary and street
photography presented with slightly less contrast than other genres, and I
suspect that it's more a matter of fashion than necessity, but it's not my
place to tell another group of photographers that their preferences are
wrong.  They're not wrong, just different to my own.  I prefer more robust
tonality and I'm not afraid of solid black or blank white.  What bothers me
is muddiness close to the limits, especially when we now have the means to
easily optimise problems that we once had to either accept or spend much
time/money to correct with advanced darkroom manipulations.

But this example has conspicuously weak highlights when you consider that
they aren't blown out, just unrealised in the result.  The highlights are
there for you if you use the tools to recover them.

My expectation of Shel Belinkoff is that he'd sweat blood to get the best
result before our eyes.  (That's a compliment BTW).  This shot wasn't ready
for our eyes, IMO.

regards,
Anthony Farr 

 -Original Message-
 From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 So, would you care to repeat that a third or fourth time LOL
 
 I'm curious as to why this particular photo has so much interest for you
 ... you've little good to say about it, yet you keep coming back to it and
 repeating yourself.
 
 Shel
 

PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Shel Belinkoff]

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/firedrum.html

Caught these entertainers on Market Street in San Francisco.  They were
putting on quite a show.   Comments welcome.  If you'd care to comment,
please let me know if this size allows you to see the entire photo and the
caption without scrolling.  Pic is about 200K.

Tech details: Leica M2, 35mm Summicron f/2.0, Tri-X in Ilford ID-11


Shel 

Re: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Jack Davis]

Shel,
Yes, with a total top/bottom clearance of 'prox 1/4.
Strange, but interesting 'action' shot.

Jack
--- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/firedrum.html
 
 Caught these entertainers on Market Street in San
 Francisco.  They were
 putting on quite a show.   Comments welcome.  If
 you'd care to comment,
 please let me know if this size allows you to see
 the entire photo and the
 caption without scrolling.  Pic is about 200K.
 
 Tech details: Leica M2, 35mm Summicron f/2.0, Tri-X
 in Ilford ID-11
 
 
 Shel 
 
 
 



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Re: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Paul Stenquist]

Hi Shel,
I can easily see the whole image. It fills less than 1/2 my screen. 
It's a fun situation, but it gets lost in the pic. Of course the scene 
is what it is, but the busy background is very distracting. The blazing 
overhead light is unattractive. A little less contrast might improve 
the shot but I don't know that there's much you can do with this one. 
However, it does work as a look at an interesting moment. It just 
doesn't work very well as a photograph.

On Apr 16, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/firedrum.html
Caught these entertainers on Market Street in San Francisco.  They were
putting on quite a show.   Comments welcome.  If you'd care to comment,
please let me know if this size allows you to see the entire photo and 
the
caption without scrolling.  Pic is about 200K.

Tech details: Leica M2, 35mm Summicron f/2.0, Tri-X in Ilford ID-11
Shel

Re: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Paul,

I played around with curves and with shadows/highlights, and was able to
get the contrast down a bit.  In fact, after uploading the pic I decided i
wasn't satisfied with it and redid it with a little less brightness using
curves to tone down the highlights somewhat.

Yep, it's a busy scene, but that's market Street ... not much one can do
about it, as you said.  The drummer's location was such that I couldn't
catch the sign without catching all the other stuff, and I did want the
sign in there.  Nope, it ain't a great photo, but I do like the documentary
aspect - a bit of what happens on the street.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Date: 4/16/2005 8:05:13 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

 Hi Shel,
 I can easily see the whole image. It fills less than 1/2 my screen. 
 It's a fun situation, but it gets lost in the pic. Of course the scene 
 is what it is, but the busy background is very distracting. The blazing 
 overhead light is unattractive. A little less contrast might improve 
 the shot but I don't know that there's much you can do with this one. 
 However, it does work as a look at an interesting moment. It just 
 doesn't work very well as a photograph.

 On Apr 16, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

  http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/firedrum.html

Re: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!
 http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/firedrum.html
Caught these entertainers on Market Street in San Francisco.  They were
putting on quite a show.   Comments welcome.  If you'd care to comment,
please let me know if this size allows you to see the entire photo and the
caption without scrolling.  Pic is about 200K.
Tech details: Leica M2, 35mm Summicron f/2.0, Tri-X in Ilford ID-11
I can see all of the shot on my screen: 17 MAG 786 FD set at 1152x864 
pixels... I even get order of an inch margin from top and bottom.

As for the shot... Shel, perhaps this has been said already, nonetheless 
- have you tried to compare your shot from, say 20 years ago, and now? I 
think this would give very interesting perspective on the way people 
lives changed throughout the years...

Boris

Re: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Shel,

First off, I can see the entire photo and caption with no scrolling.

Now on to the pic, the BW tonal range is very good - another
technically good shot/processing.  Somehow, this shot doesn't quite do
it for me.  I'm thinking that perhaps the angle with the fire just
doesn't show any intensity or something.  The guy on the right must
have some significance, but I am not sure what - participant or
observer?  Perhaps a steeper angle to show the fire going into his
mouth more from the side.  But I do like the context with the sign
visible.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Saturday, April 16, 2005, 7:22:52 AM, you wrote:

SB http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/firedrum.html

SB Caught these entertainers on Market Street in San Francisco.  They were
SB putting on quite a show.   Comments welcome.  If you'd care to comment,
SB please let me know if this size allows you to see the entire photo and the
SB caption without scrolling.  Pic is about 200K.

SB Tech details: Leica M2, 35mm Summicron f/2.0, Tri-X in Ilford ID-11


SB Shel 

Re: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Bob W]

Hi,

Saturday, April 16, 2005, 3:22:52 PM, Shel wrote:

 http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/firedrum.html

 Caught these entertainers on Market Street in San Francisco.  They were
 putting on quite a show.   Comments welcome.  If you'd care to comment,
 please let me know if this size allows you to see the entire photo and the
 caption without scrolling.  Pic is about 200K.

 Tech details: Leica M2, 35mm Summicron f/2.0, Tri-X in Ilford ID-11

I can see it all ok on a 15 1600x1200 screen.

I think it should be Drummer Eating Fire.

Or is it a case of Man Biting Dog, or Man-Biting Dog? g

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

RE: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Shel
the picture *and* its size is fine here with Avant Browser, 1 additional
search toolbar and 1280x960 resolution settings;-)
greetings
Markus



http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/firedrum.html

Caught these entertainers on Market Street in San Francisco.  They were
putting on quite a show.   Comments welcome.  If you'd care to comment,
please let me know if this size allows you to see the entire photo and the
caption without scrolling.  Pic is about 200K.

Tech details: Leica M2, 35mm Summicron f/2.0, Tri-X in Ilford ID-11


Shel

RE: PESO PAW - Fire Eating Drummer

[Peter Williams]

 -Original Message-
 From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/firedrum.html
 

Nice snap, the plastic bucket drummer that often performs
near my workplace never does anything this dramamtic.

-- 
Peter Williams