Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/04 Fri AM 12:46:00 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? You say tomato, and I say dentist. -Aaron Mark! Wisest words so far this year.. -Original Message- From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu Aug 3, 2006 8:39 pm Size: 1K To: pdml@pdml.net It also depends who wins. The 'fathers of this country' were rebels and terrorists, yet are remembered as heroes because they won. Had they, and the other militia not prevailed, they would still be rebels and terrorists and would have been shot or hung for their crimes. Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:24:13 -0600 - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? I always thought a Freedom Fighter fought for freedom, many given that label seem to fight against it. It seems to depend on whether we agree with them or not. If we agree with their cause we call them something positive, if we don't, we put a negative handle on them. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
In a message dated 8/3/2006 9:51:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terrorists without bombs. William Robb = You complain people are complaisant and don't protest about infringement on freedoms. And yet you call activists, who do protest, terrorists without bombs? Be careful what you wish for. Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Photography = obstruction of justice?
I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. Patrick McGoohan in The Prisoner I don't mind being debriefed from time to time. Bob With your taste in shorts, I'm suprised it doesn't happen more often. Touché! B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Photography = obstruction of justice?
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/03 Thu AM 06:58:19 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Photography = obstruction of justice? I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. Patrick McGoohan in The Prisoner I don't mind being debriefed from time to time. Bob With your taste in shorts, I'm suprised it doesn't happen more often. Touché! 8-)) - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
Let's throw in Freedom Fighter somewhere as well... Norm From: P. J. Alling No, like all good libertarians we call those who overreach their authority stateists. Those who finally rebel are called rebels. Terrorists are a different kettle of fish entirely. William Robb wrote: From: P. J. Alling Who says we tolerate it. When the cops do something like this you contact a lawyer and the local press. Freedom needs to be defended everywhere, but it needs to be defended. If it isn't, eventually you have to use force... We call those people terrorists. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
I always thought a Freedom Fighter fought for freedom, many given that label seem to fight against it. Norman Baugher wrote: Let's throw in Freedom Fighter somewhere as well... Norm From: P. J. Alling No, like all good libertarians we call those who overreach their authority stateists. Those who finally rebel are called rebels. Terrorists are a different kettle of fish entirely. William Robb wrote: From: P. J. Alling Who says we tolerate it. When the cops do something like this you contact a lawyer and the local press. Freedom needs to be defended everywhere, but it needs to be defended. If it isn't, eventually you have to use force... We call those people terrorists. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
It's the freedom to enslave others... Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. Patrick McGoohan in The Prisoner From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:36:22 -0400 I always thought a Freedom Fighter fought for freedom, many given that label seem to fight against it. Norman Baugher wrote: Let's throw in Freedom Fighter somewhere as well... Norm From: P. J. Alling No, like all good libertarians we call those who overreach their authority stateists. Those who finally rebel are called rebels. Terrorists are a different kettle of fish entirely. William Robb wrote: From: P. J. Alling Who says we tolerate it. When the cops do something like this you contact a lawyer and the local press. Freedom needs to be defended everywhere, but it needs to be defended. If it isn't, eventually you have to use force... We call those people terrorists. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Photography = obstruction of justice?
Depends whose freedom you're talking about. I always thought a Freedom Fighter fought for freedom, many given that label seem to fight against it. Norman Baugher wrote: Let's throw in Freedom Fighter somewhere as well... Norm From: P. J. Alling No, like all good libertarians we call those who overreach their authority stateists. Those who finally rebel are called rebels. Terrorists are a different kettle of fish entirely. William Robb wrote: From: P. J. Alling Who says we tolerate it. When the cops do something like this you contact a lawyer and the local press. Freedom needs to be defended everywhere, but it needs to be defended. If it isn't, eventually you have to use force... We call those people terrorists. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
From some discussions last week I think some have the freedom to scare others. The land of the free becomes the land of the scared... DagT Den 3. aug. 2006 kl. 18.28 skrev Tom C: It's the freedom to enslave others... Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. Patrick McGoohan in The Prisoner From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:36:22 -0400 I always thought a Freedom Fighter fought for freedom, many given that label seem to fight against it. Norman Baugher wrote: Let's throw in Freedom Fighter somewhere as well... Norm From: P. J. Alling No, like all good libertarians we call those who overreach their authority stateists. Those who finally rebel are called rebels. Terrorists are a different kettle of fish entirely. William Robb wrote: From: P. J. Alling Who says we tolerate it. When the cops do something like this you contact a lawyer and the local press. Freedom needs to be defended everywhere, but it needs to be defended. If it isn't, eventually you have to use force... We call those people terrorists. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
Freedom is always a relative term, as there is no such thing as 'absolute freedom'. Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. From: DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:55:06 +0200 From some discussions last week I think some have the freedom to scare others. The land of the free becomes the land of the scared... DagT Den 3. aug. 2006 kl. 18.28 skrev Tom C: It's the freedom to enslave others... Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. Patrick McGoohan in The Prisoner From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:36:22 -0400 I always thought a Freedom Fighter fought for freedom, many given that label seem to fight against it. Norman Baugher wrote: Let's throw in Freedom Fighter somewhere as well... Norm From: P. J. Alling No, like all good libertarians we call those who overreach their authority stateists. Those who finally rebel are called rebels. Terrorists are a different kettle of fish entirely. William Robb wrote: From: P. J. Alling Who says we tolerate it. When the cops do something like this you contact a lawyer and the local press. Freedom needs to be defended everywhere, but it needs to be defended. If it isn't, eventually you have to use force... We call those people terrorists. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
Sure, but I value the freedom to speak my mind and seek my wisdom without being scared of what may be stored in my cache .-) DagT Den 3. aug. 2006 kl. 22.20 skrev Tom C: Freedom is always a relative term, as there is no such thing as 'absolute freedom'. Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. From: DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:55:06 +0200 From some discussions last week I think some have the freedom to scare others. The land of the free becomes the land of the scared... DagT Den 3. aug. 2006 kl. 18.28 skrev Tom C: It's the freedom to enslave others... Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. Patrick McGoohan in The Prisoner From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:36:22 -0400 I always thought a Freedom Fighter fought for freedom, many given that label seem to fight against it. Norman Baugher wrote: Let's throw in Freedom Fighter somewhere as well... Norm From: P. J. Alling No, like all good libertarians we call those who overreach their authority stateists. Those who finally rebel are called rebels. Terrorists are a different kettle of fish entirely. William Robb wrote: From: P. J. Alling Who says we tolerate it. When the cops do something like this you contact a lawyer and the local press. Freedom needs to be defended everywhere, but it needs to be defended. If it isn't, eventually you have to use force... We call those people terrorists. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
On Aug 3, 2006, at 4:59 PM, DagT wrote: Sure, but I value the freedom to speak my mind and seek my wisdom without being scared of what may be stored in my cache .-) Freedom should be absolute up to the point that it begins to infringe on someone else's freedom. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
Hear, hear!! (thanks for earlier spelling correction). Jack --- Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 3, 2006, at 4:59 PM, DagT wrote: Sure, but I value the freedom to speak my mind and seek my wisdom without being scared of what may be stored in my cache .-) Freedom should be absolute up to the point that it begins to infringe on someone else's freedom. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? I always thought a Freedom Fighter fought for freedom, many given that label seem to fight against it. It seems to depend on whether we agree with them or not. If we agree with their cause we call them something positive, if we don't, we put a negative handle on them. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
It also depends who wins. The 'fathers of this country' were rebels and terrorists, yet are remembered as heroes because they won. Had they, and the other militia not prevailed, they would still be rebels and terrorists and would have been shot or hung for their crimes. Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:24:13 -0600 - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? I always thought a Freedom Fighter fought for freedom, many given that label seem to fight against it. It seems to depend on whether we agree with them or not. If we agree with their cause we call them something positive, if we don't, we put a negative handle on them. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
You say tomato, and I say dentist. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu Aug 3, 2006 8:39 pm Size: 1K To: pdml@pdml.net It also depends who wins. The 'fathers of this country' were rebels and terrorists, yet are remembered as heroes because they won. Had they, and the other militia not prevailed, they would still be rebels and terrorists and would have been shot or hung for their crimes. Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:24:13 -0600 - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? I always thought a Freedom Fighter fought for freedom, many given that label seem to fight against it. It seems to depend on whether we agree with them or not. If we agree with their cause we call them something positive, if we don't, we put a negative handle on them. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
Huh? :-) I don't get it. Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:46:00 -0400 You say tomato, and I say dentist. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu Aug 3, 2006 8:39 pm Size: 1K To: pdml@pdml.net It also depends who wins. The 'fathers of this country' were rebels and terrorists, yet are remembered as heroes because they won. Had they, and the other militia not prevailed, they would still be rebels and terrorists and would have been shot or hung for their crimes. Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:24:13 -0600 - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? I always thought a Freedom Fighter fought for freedom, many given that label seem to fight against it. It seems to depend on whether we agree with them or not. If we agree with their cause we call them something positive, if we don't, we put a negative handle on them. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
From a sketch by comedy troupe Radio Free Vestibule (now just The Vestibules). -Aaron -Original Message- From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu Aug 3, 2006 8:58 pm Size: 2K To: pdml@pdml.net Huh? :-) I don't get it. Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:46:00 -0400 You say tomato, and I say dentist. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu Aug 3, 2006 8:39 pm Size: 1K To: pdml@pdml.net It also depends who wins. The 'fathers of this country' were rebels and terrorists, yet are remembered as heroes because they won. Had they, and the other militia not prevailed, they would still be rebels and terrorists and would have been shot or hung for their crimes. Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:24:13 -0600 - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? I always thought a Freedom Fighter fought for freedom, many given that label seem to fight against it. It seems to depend on whether we agree with them or not. If we agree with their cause we call them something positive, if we don't, we put a negative handle on them. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
In a message dated 8/3/2006 2:47:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Freedom should be absolute up to the point that it begins to infringe on someone else's freedom. Bob = Bravo. And let's insert activists somewhere between the press and terrorists. Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? And let's insert activists somewhere between the press and terrorists. Terrorists without bombs. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? It really doesn't matter if they think there's a law or not. The police couldn't shut down an official press photographer that way, and the same rule applies to a casual photographer as well. They know they aren't enforcing laws. They know they are bullying and intimidating citizens. I find it amusing that you are squandering so much resources trying to stop this from happenning in other people's countries, and tolerating it in your own. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 8/2/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They know they aren't enforcing laws. They know they are bullying and intimidating citizens. I find it amusing that you are squandering so much resources trying to stop this from happenning in other people's countries, and tolerating it in your own. Yer next, buddy. http://www.planetfriendly.net/police.html After you, it's the UK. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=397240in_page_id=1766in_page_id=1766expand=true ;) g -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
You live in a different world than I do. The police have often hassled the press. However, the media usually has more money to proceed with legal remedies, and of course plenty of access to influencing public opinion. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- P. J. Alling wrote: It really doesn't matter if they think there's a law or not. The police couldn't shut down an official press photographer that way, -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
- Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Yer next, buddy. http://www.planetfriendly.net/police.html After you, it's the UK. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=397240in_page_id=1766in_page_id=1766expand=true ;) g We are probably closer than you think already. Canadian law has taken a zero tolerance attitude towards many things, and if someone thinks you are close to the line, your life can be made a living hell. We also don't have the financial recourse that you have if the system tramples your rights. The only saving grace we have is that our social welfare system is so overburdened that we can't afford a big police force to go out and harass people. It's easier to fly under the radar here. Why do you think I objected to the kiddie porn that was posted by link last week? In Canada, having that image on your hard drive could land you in court if a prosecuter had missed her morning coffee. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: They know they aren't enforcing laws. They know they are bullying and intimidating citizens. I find it amusing that you are squandering so much resources trying to stop this from happenning in other people's countries, and tolerating it in your own. Don't you know that's the American Way? Liberate other countries while instituting Machiavellian polices in your own? :-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
Who says we tolerate it. When the cops do something like this you contact a lawyer and the local press. Freedom needs to be defended everywhere, but it needs to be defended. If it isn't, eventually you have to use force... William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? It really doesn't matter if they think there's a law or not. The police couldn't shut down an official press photographer that way, and the same rule applies to a casual photographer as well. They know they aren't enforcing laws. They know they are bullying and intimidating citizens. I find it amusing that you are squandering so much resources trying to stop this from happenning in other people's countries, and tolerating it in your own. William Robb -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
As a former, (very former), member of the working press, I knew my rights. Which didn't differer from those of the public at large. I was never arrested or roughed up, but I did have a few scary moments. I used more tact back then, than I seem to have lately. graywolf wrote: You live in a different world than I do. The police have often hassled the press. However, the media usually has more money to proceed with legal remedies, and of course plenty of access to influencing public opinion. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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P.J. Alling wrote: I used more tact back then, than I seem to have lately. The older we get the dumber we get. :-) Tom C. --- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. Patrick McGoohan in The Prisoner -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. Patrick McGoohan in The Prisoner I don't mind being debriefed from time to time. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
Bob W wrote: I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. Patrick McGoohan in The Prisoner I don't mind being debriefed from time to time. Bob With your taste in shorts, I'm suprised it doesn't happen more often. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Who says we tolerate it. When the cops do something like this you contact a lawyer and the local press. Freedom needs to be defended everywhere, but it needs to be defended. If it isn't, eventually you have to use force... We call those people terrorists. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
No, like all good libertarians we call those who overreach their authority stateists. Those who finally rebel are called rebels. Terrorists are a different kettle of fish entirely. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? Who says we tolerate it. When the cops do something like this you contact a lawyer and the local press. Freedom needs to be defended everywhere, but it needs to be defended. If it isn't, eventually you have to use force... We call those people terrorists. William Robb -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
I thought Better police for a better police state! was Rhode Islands unofficial motto. Scott Loveless wrote: http://www.nbc10.com/news/9574663/detail.html Philly this time. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
It really doesn't matter if they think there's a law or not. The police couldn't shut down an official press photographer that way, and the same rule applies to a casual photographer as well. Jack Davis wrote: Would be interesting to learn if there were such a law in effect at the time. Were the Police following their Department's self-imposed 'rule'? Reacting to their understanding of a City 'ordinance'? or...? The court will likely sort it out. Jack --- Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nbc10.com/news/9574663/detail.html Philly this time. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Photography = obstruction of justice?
http://www.nbc10.com/news/9574663/detail.html Philly this time. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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http://www.nbc10.com/news/9574663/detail.html Philly this time. - This is clearly an attempt by the police at intimidation. I am sure this fellow will wind up with a nice monetary award. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
- Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? http://www.nbc10.com/news/9574663/detail.html Philly this time. - This is clearly an attempt by the police at intimidation. I am sure this fellow will wind up with a nice monetary award. The problem with this is that people will either become afraid of stepping out of line with the police, making it easier for them to abuse their privilege, or else people will start baiting the police in an attempt to get monetary settlements from them for abusing their privilege. Neither is especially desirable. It's a pity the cops can't just do their jobs without abusing innocent people. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
Would be interesting to learn if there were such a law in effect at the time. Were the Police following their Department's self-imposed 'rule'? Reacting to their understanding of a City 'ordinance'? or...? The court will likely sort it out. Jack --- Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nbc10.com/news/9574663/detail.html Philly this time. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
On 30/7/06, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.nbc10.com/news/9574663/detail.html Philly this time. Thanks for the laugh :-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
On Jul 30, 2006, at 12:27 PM, William Robb wrote: The problem with this is that people will either become afraid of stepping out of line with the police, making it easier for them to abuse their privilege, or else people will start baiting the police in an attempt to get monetary settlements from them for abusing their privilege. Neither is especially desirable. It's a pity the cops can't just do their jobs without abusing innocent people. This should read It's a pity the cops won't just do their jobs without abusing innocent people. They certainly can do it if they want. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
- Original Message - From: Bob Shell Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? This should read It's a pity the cops won't just do their jobs without abusing innocent people. They certainly can do it if they want. True enough. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
This is so stupid and so ironic. Philly (where I live) is on its way to breaking its record for the number of murders in a year, which was set (IIRC) in 1993. The police say the main problem is the large number of intimidated people who won't cooperate with investigations--don't snitch is the rule in the streets. So, to encourage cooperation, the police are abusing law-abiding citizens. Sheesh. Rick --- Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nbc10.com/news/9574663/detail.html Philly this time. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
