RE: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem...
You may be right, but Windows could still have corrupted itself. Its not like it's the most reliable system out there. -Original Message- From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:26 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Isaac mused: Have you tried simply rebooting everything including router and cable modem? Sometimes that is all that's needed. Doesn't fit the symptoms. 1) She doesn't have a router 2) The cable modem is working just fine, as she can get to the internet on her primary (desktop) machine.
RE: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem...
To find the IP address you should just be able to right click on the computer icon next to the time and select properties. The support tab there should show you the IP address. You can also select properties, select the TCPIP and click the properties button/ Failing that - go into control panel, network and internet connections, network connections then right click on the appropriate connection (you may well only have one) and select properties. Also worth looking at in control panel are the firewall settings (Under security center in control panel) - you could just try turning it off if it is on. Firewall is relatively new in XP so unless you stay up to date you may not have it. If you recently updated it probably got installed and may well be blocking internet connection sharing. Beyond that, internet connection sharing in XP home is a nightmare - you just have to keep plugging away until it decides it will work for you (or not!). You would be far better served by getting a router and letting each PC connect direct to the internet. You can now get some very good all in one wireless router modems which include built in firewalls and a wireless access point (make your laptop truly mobile!). Rob -Original Message- From: Tan and Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 February 2005 22:08 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Hi Alan and John! Thanks so much for your responses - I should probably clarify a couple of things. My PC is connected to the internet via cable (broadband). I use my PC predominantly, which is how I send and receive emails. My lappy is my second 'puter and it connects to the internet THROUGH my network and PC's internet connection. The reason for this is that Steve will sit and work on the lappy whilst I am working on the PC. When I initially set up the network, I experienced the same problem and a friend of mine told me to manually enter the IP addresses, and which numbers to use. However, I can't remember just where it is that I go to enter the IP addresses, and I can't remember them anyways! I did ping them using the command prompt and there is no response from either, which is strange as I AM able to access files/folders. Sorry, I am very confusing aren't I?!?! hehe. Tanya Mayer Photography Brisbane, Qld, Australia www.tanyamayer.com Ph +61 (07) 3315 4549 Mobile +61 0437831247 -Original Message- From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2005 7:35 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... --- Tan and Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running Win XP on both systems. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! You may try InternetOptions/Connection/Setup in IE6 to setup the internet connection again. = Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
RE: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem...
To find the IP address you should just be able to right click on the computer icon next to the time and select properties. The support tab there should show you the IP address. You can also select properties, select the TCPIP and click the properties button/ Failing that - go into control panel, network and internet connections, network connections then right click on the appropriate connection (you may well only have one) and select properties. Also worth looking at in control panel are the firewall settings (Under security center in control panel) - you could just try turning it off if it is on. Firewall is relatively new in XP so unless you stay up to date you may not have it. If you recently updated it probably got installed and may well be blocking internet connection sharing. Beyond that, internet connection sharing in XP home is a nightmare - you just have to keep plugging away until it decides it will work for you (or not!). You would be far better served by getting a router and letting each PC connect direct to the internet. You can now get some very good all in one wireless router modems which include built in firewalls and a wireless access point (make your laptop truly mobile!). Rob -Original Message- From: Tan and Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 February 2005 22:08 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Hi Alan and John! Thanks so much for your responses - I should probably clarify a couple of things. My PC is connected to the internet via cable (broadband). I use my PC predominantly, which is how I send and receive emails. My lappy is my second 'puter and it connects to the internet THROUGH my network and PC's internet connection. The reason for this is that Steve will sit and work on the lappy whilst I am working on the PC. When I initially set up the network, I experienced the same problem and a friend of mine told me to manually enter the IP addresses, and which numbers to use. However, I can't remember just where it is that I go to enter the IP addresses, and I can't remember them anyways! I did ping them using the command prompt and there is no response from either, which is strange as I AM able to access files/folders. Sorry, I am very confusing aren't I?!?! hehe. Tanya Mayer Photography Brisbane, Qld, Australia www.tanyamayer.com Ph +61 (07) 3315 4549 Mobile +61 0437831247 -Original Message- From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2005 7:35 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... --- Tan and Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running Win XP on both systems. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! You may try InternetOptions/Connection/Setup in IE6 to setup the internet connection again. = Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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Oh yea. Our routes has bad days sometimes. You have to boot it more than once, then. But sometimes its runs for weeks without problems. Michael -- Michael Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED] 078 615 19 88 Have you tried simply rebooting everything including router and cable modem? Sometimes that is all that's needed. -Original Message- From: Michael Heim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 4:04 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: AW: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Maybe the problem is the address of your Proxy Server. You say you have full access to your local network but no access to the internet. So your PC doesn't find the way out. If you have a broadband access, I'm sure you have to tell your PC the name of your providers Proxy Server. For example: mine is proxy.tiscalinet.ch on port 8080 (my provider ist Tiscali). The connection Options of your Webbrowser should include this address (somewhere there should be a field about your proxy server, there may be more than one). Michael -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Tan and Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Montag, 21. Februar 2005 23:08 An: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Betreff: RE: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Hi Alan and John! Thanks so much for your responses - I should probably clarify a couple of things. My PC is connected to the internet via cable (broadband). I use my PC predominantly, which is how I send and receive emails. My lappy is my second 'puter and it connects to the internet THROUGH my network and PC's internet connection. The reason for this is that Steve will sit and work on the lappy whilst I am working on the PC. When I initially set up the network, I experienced the same problem and a friend of mine told me to manually enter the IP addresses, and which numbers to use. However, I can't remember just where it is that I go to enter the IP addresses, and I can't remember them anyways! I did ping them using the command prompt and there is no response from either, which is strange as I AM able to access files/folders. Sorry, I am very confusing aren't I?!?! hehe. Tanya Mayer Photography Brisbane, Qld, Australia www.tanyamayer.com Ph +61 (07) 3315 4549 Mobile +61 0437831247 -Original Message- From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2005 7:35 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... --- Tan and Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running Win XP on both systems. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! You may try InternetOptions/Connection/Setup in IE6 to setup the internet connection again. = Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem...
Sounds like you're using the PC as a bridge connection for the laptop to get out to the internet. A better arrangement would be to use a router between the cable modem and the computers. Each computer would hook directly to the router and would be able to access the internet without depending upon having the other computer turned on. A 4-port router is pretty cheap - about 40USD - and comes with a setup CD that pretty easily configures the computers on the network. Linksys and Belkin are two popular routers here in the states for home networking equipment. Adding a router has the additional benefit of built-in firewall called Network Address Translation (NAT). The outside world only sees the IP address of the router and not the IP addresses of the computers on your network. Paul I know that this does not address your immediate problems but I agree with Paul about adding a router to your network. I think that it would actually simplify things for you and be more robust and secure. I currently have a network at home with a Linksys Router (BEFSX41) and 16 port switch (EZXS16W) supporting 6 PCs a couple of network attached hard drives, two printers, scanners, etc. all accessing the internet via a cable modem. The setup and maintenance of the network is relatively easy. The router is a DHCP server which means that it assigns the IP addresses to each of the PCs and administers the network. There is very little for you the user to do after it is setup. Adding a PC is not much more than attaching to an open port on the network. Just a suggestion and maybe an inappropriate one at this time but worth considering after you sort the current problem out. Larry
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, John Francis wrote: Doesn't fit the symptoms. 1) She doesn't have a router 2) The cable modem is working just fine, as she can get to the internet on her primary (desktop) machine. Ok, but how is the laptop connected to the Internet then? Is it connected at the same time as the desktop machine, and if so, how? Or does she disconnect one to connect the other? anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/ med dagens bild och allt!
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Windows XP is pretty damn stable. Settings could have been changed during an automatic update. That would require re-setting things but a since Tan didn't report a system crash I doubt that anything was corrupted. If she were running WinMe that would be a different story. After my last crash I lost all communication capabilities I upgraded to Win98se and Win2K. Lots of other problems on the Win98se but haven't lost communication with the internet since then. Isaac wrote: You may be right, but Windows could still have corrupted itself. Its not like it's the most reliable system out there. -Original Message- From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:26 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Isaac mused: Have you tried simply rebooting everything including router and cable modem? Sometimes that is all that's needed. Doesn't fit the symptoms. 1) She doesn't have a router 2) The cable modem is working just fine, as she can get to the internet on her primary (desktop) machine. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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The desktop acts as a router and supports ip forwarding, or aliasing, I'm never sure which. Anders Hultman wrote: On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, John Francis wrote: Doesn't fit the symptoms. 1) She doesn't have a router 2) The cable modem is working just fine, as she can get to the internet on her primary (desktop) machine. Ok, but how is the laptop connected to the Internet then? Is it connected at the same time as the desktop machine, and if so, how? Or does she disconnect one to connect the other? anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/ med dagens bild och allt! -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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Noone agrees with me it's probably an XP SP2 problem? I've got a dollar on the problem going away if she does a rollback. Cheers, Ryan - Original Message - From: Larry Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:56 PM Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Sounds like you're using the PC as a bridge connection for the laptop to get out to the internet. A better arrangement would be to use a router between the cable modem and the computers. Each computer would hook directly to the router and would be able to access the internet without depending upon having the other computer turned on. A 4-port router is pretty cheap - about 40USD - and comes with a setup CD that pretty easily configures the computers on the network. Linksys and Belkin are two popular routers here in the states for home networking equipment. Adding a router has the additional benefit of built-in firewall called Network Address Translation (NAT). The outside world only sees the IP address of the router and not the IP addresses of the computers on your network. Paul I know that this does not address your immediate problems but I agree with Paul about adding a router to your network. I think that it would actually simplify things for you and be more robust and secure. I currently have a network at home with a Linksys Router (BEFSX41) and 16 port switch (EZXS16W) supporting 6 PCs a couple of network attached hard drives, two printers, scanners, etc. all accessing the internet via a cable modem. The setup and maintenance of the network is relatively easy. The router is a DHCP server which means that it assigns the IP addresses to each of the PCs and administers the network. There is very little for you the user to do after it is setup. Adding a PC is not much more than attaching to an open port on the network. Just a suggestion and maybe an inappropriate one at this time but worth considering after you sort the current problem out. Larry
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In a message dated 2/22/2005 8:30:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Noone agrees with me it's probably an XP SP2 problem? I've got a dollar on the problem going away if she does a rollback. Cheers, Ryan I think she needs a router. Which doesn't mean it *isn't* an XP problem. :-) My .02 cents. Marnie aka Doe
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I think that is quite possible - on the basis that SP2 introduced the windows firewall amongst other things. Rolling back seems a little severe though... The point is that regardless of the cause of the problem, a router is much more efficient and reliable than a PC sharing the internet connection anyway - not to mention simpler to set up. Machines could then work independantly and the 'connected' machine doesn't have to spend resource serving up stuff to the remote. -Original Message- From: Ryan Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 February 2005 16:29 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Noone agrees with me it's probably an XP SP2 problem? I've got a dollar on the problem going away if she does a rollback. Cheers, Ryan - Original Message - From: Larry Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:56 PM Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Sounds like you're using the PC as a bridge connection for the laptop to get out to the internet. A better arrangement would be to use a router between the cable modem and the computers. Each computer would hook directly to the router and would be able to access the internet without depending upon having the other computer turned on. A 4-port router is pretty cheap - about 40USD - and comes with a setup CD that pretty easily configures the computers on the network. Linksys and Belkin are two popular routers here in the states for home networking equipment. Adding a router has the additional benefit of built-in firewall called Network Address Translation (NAT). The outside world only sees the IP address of the router and not the IP addresses of the computers on your network. Paul I know that this does not address your immediate problems but I agree with Paul about adding a router to your network. I think that it would actually simplify things for you and be more robust and secure. I currently have a network at home with a Linksys Router (BEFSX41) and 16 port switch (EZXS16W) supporting 6 PCs a couple of network attached hard drives, two printers, scanners, etc. all accessing the internet via a cable modem. The setup and maintenance of the network is relatively easy. The router is a DHCP server which means that it assigns the IP addresses to each of the PCs and administers the network. There is very little for you the user to do after it is setup. Adding a PC is not much more than attaching to an open port on the network. Just a suggestion and maybe an inappropriate one at this time but worth considering after you sort the current problem out. Larry
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Perhaps.. Don't mind me, I'm not a big SP2 fan as everyone knows by now. Actually I'm not even an XP fan.. Go 2k Pro! Insert Cotty's Go Mac! here Cheers, Ryan - Original Message - From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 2:35 AM Subject: RE: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... I think that is quite possible - on the basis that SP2 introduced the windows firewall amongst other things. Rolling back seems a little severe though... The point is that regardless of the cause of the problem, a router is much more efficient and reliable than a PC sharing the internet connection anyway - not to mention simpler to set up. Machines could then work independantly and the 'connected' machine doesn't have to spend resource serving up stuff to the remote. -Original Message- From: Ryan Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 February 2005 16:29 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Noone agrees with me it's probably an XP SP2 problem? I've got a dollar on the problem going away if she does a rollback. Cheers, Ryan - Original Message - From: Larry Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:56 PM Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Sounds like you're using the PC as a bridge connection for the laptop to get out to the internet. A better arrangement would be to use a router between the cable modem and the computers. Each computer would hook directly to the router and would be able to access the internet without depending upon having the other computer turned on. A 4-port router is pretty cheap - about 40USD - and comes with a setup CD that pretty easily configures the computers on the network. Linksys and Belkin are two popular routers here in the states for home networking equipment. Adding a router has the additional benefit of built-in firewall called Network Address Translation (NAT). The outside world only sees the IP address of the router and not the IP addresses of the computers on your network. Paul I know that this does not address your immediate problems but I agree with Paul about adding a router to your network. I think that it would actually simplify things for you and be more robust and secure. I currently have a network at home with a Linksys Router (BEFSX41) and 16 port switch (EZXS16W) supporting 6 PCs a couple of network attached hard drives, two printers, scanners, etc. all accessing the internet via a cable modem. The setup and maintenance of the network is relatively easy. The router is a DHCP server which means that it assigns the IP addresses to each of the PCs and administers the network. There is very little for you the user to do after it is setup. Adding a PC is not much more than attaching to an open port on the network. Just a suggestion and maybe an inappropriate one at this time but worth considering after you sort the current problem out. Larry
Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem...
Anders Hultman mused: On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, John Francis wrote: Doesn't fit the symptoms. 1) She doesn't have a router 2) The cable modem is working just fine, as she can get to the internet on her primary (desktop) machine. Ok, but how is the laptop connected to the Internet then? Is it connected at the same time as the desktop machine, and if so, how? Or does she disconnect one to connect the other? Windows XP (Home) allows sharing of an internet connection. The primary machine (the one connected directly to the internet) acts as a poor man's router, so machines connected to it via a local ethernet connection can have ethernet access.
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Just configure the firewall to allow file and print sharing (or whatever it is you needed). SP2 turned this off by default most likely and you need to enable it. Had the same issue with sharing a printer at my parents' house. (the old, it was working last week; before the automagic update issue). I was tearing my hair out trying to figure out why I was gettting permissions problem. Then i discovered the firewall settings, turned on file and print sharing and my agony was over. I'm used to being a sytem administrator, and not having the system tell me what I should be doing. silly windblows... viva 'nix. -- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I wasn't referring to a physical corruption of the drive. I'm talking about Windows trashing your memory the longer it stays up. Xp is a huge improvement, but if left running for too long your memory will still funky and need a reboot. Takes about two weeks on my system. YMMV. -Original Message- From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 6:48 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Windows XP is pretty damn stable. Settings could have been changed during an automatic update. That would require re-setting things but a since Tan didn't report a system crash I doubt that anything was corrupted. If she were running WinMe that would be a different story. After my last crash I lost all communication capabilities I upgraded to Win98se and Win2K. Lots of other problems on the Win98se but haven't lost communication with the internet since then. Isaac wrote: You may be right, but Windows could still have corrupted itself. Its not like it's the most reliable system out there. -Original Message- From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:26 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Isaac mused: Have you tried simply rebooting everything including router and cable modem? Sometimes that is all that's needed. Doesn't fit the symptoms. 1) She doesn't have a router 2) The cable modem is working just fine, as she can get to the internet on her primary (desktop) machine. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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from command prompt ipconfig /all This would show you the list of the network interfaces (cards) you have something like this Windows 2000 IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : mishka Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 3: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Linksys Wireless-G PCI Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-66-6F-3B-8B DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.110 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.128 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.2 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.2 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 207.69.188.185 207.69.188.186 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, February 22, 2005 2:39:41 PM Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Wednesday, February 23, 2005 2:39:41 PM if what you see there looks reasonable (roughly like this page), then, ipconfig /release and ipconfig /renew if ipconfig /renew times out, a) reboot your cable modem and PC and if that does not help, b) call your ISP best, mishka On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:10:43 +1000, Tan and Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I just know that one of you out there will be able to answer this! Basically, I have my lappy networked to my PC via ethernet. All was working fine when all of a sudden two days ago, I get the little yellow exclamation mark over the network connection in the windows task bar near the time. When I click on it it says that there is Limited or No connectivitiy. When I click on repair it says that windows is trying to renew my IP address but after a while brings up an error and says that it was unsuccessful and to contact the network administrator (hehe, that would be ME! eek!). I am able to view the hard drives and shared folders/files on each computer, however, I am unable to access the internet or email on the lappy. I am running Win XP on both systems. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much in advance!! :) Tan. Tanya Mayer Photography Brisbane, Qld, Australia www.tanyamayer.com Ph +61 (07) 3315 4549 Mobile +61 0437831247
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:38:18 -, Rob Brigham wrote: To find the IP address you should just be able to right click on the computer icon next to the time and select properties. The support tab there should show you the IP address. You can also select properties, select the TCPIP and click the properties button/ Or open a command-line console and run the command ipconfig /all. It will tell you everything you never wanted to know about your current network connections. :-) Sometimes just running the commands C:ipconfig /release C:ipconfig /renew will take care of it. Also worth looking at in control panel are the firewall settings (Under security center in control panel) - you could just try turning it off if it is on. Firewall is relatively new in XP so unless you stay up to date you may not have it. If you recently updated it probably got installed and may well be blocking internet connection sharing. Firewall is new with SP2. When you install SP2, it defaults to enabling the firewall, unless it detects that you already have another firewall product installed. I know it detects ZoneAlarm, because it detected mine and defaulted the Windows Firewall to off. Since it detects that one, I'd guess it also detects the major players in the Windows firewall market. If the problem started soon after an SP2 upgrade, the firewall is low-hanging fruit for being the problem. You would be far better served by getting a router and letting each PC connect direct to the internet. I totally agree. At Wal-Mart, Target, etc., you can get a small device that's usually called something like a Cable Modem / DSL Router that has not only the network router but also a firewall, and a four-port Ethernet (10/100BaseT) switch or hub for about US$40. Some of them even have a built-in Wireless Access Point. Personally, I splurge another US$40 or so and get a dedicated 10/100 switch and connect the router to the uplink port on the switch and connect the computers to the regular ports. Some of the Cable Modem / DSL routers put their ports into the DMZ or directly onto the internet, rather than having them behind the built-in firewall. With a switch between the computers and the router, they're all behind the firewall, they're all NAT'ed, and they get their IP addresses from the router automagically. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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Doug Franklin mused: Personally, I splurge another US$40 or so and get a dedicated 10/100 switch and connect the router to the uplink port on the switch and connect the computers to the regular ports. Some of the Cable Modem / DSL routers put their ports into the DMZ or directly onto the internet, rather than having them behind the built-in firewall. With a switch between the computers and the router, they're all behind the firewall, they're all NAT'ed, and they get their IP addresses from the router automagically. All the DSL/Cable Modem routers I've seen have everything behind the firewall, and use NAT to share a single IP address (which they know how to accquire from your ISP). An additional switch is unnecessary. With a laptop being one of the systems, I'd strongly recommend going for a unit with built-in 802.11 wireless. I'm using the older LinkSys unit here (802.11b) for a wired desktop and two wireless notebooks. Nowadays I'd buy a 802.11g unit - they cost around $69 in the USA.
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:39:08 -0500 (EST), John Francis wrote: All the DSL/Cable Modem routers I've seen have everything behind the firewall, and use NAT to share a single IP address (which they know how to accquire from your ISP). An additional switch is unnecessary. The ones I've used in the last couple of years usually had everything behind the firewall, but there were a bunch of models four or five years ago where the ports on the router each got DHCP addresses from the ISP, but the machines on the switch got theirs from the router. I never really figured out how it did that, since I don't think there was a special downlink port on the router so the switch was just hooked to another port, but it fouled up several networks for me when I let other people do installs. And I agree on the wireless thing and laptops, too. I just set up a network like that for my dad a couple of weeks ago and laptop with wireless networking ROCKS! Just make sure to set up the security on the wireless network. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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i just got a bunch of messages like Tan when my Windows XP machines downloaded and installed a new XP critical security update. rebooting all of the machines fixed it. Herb - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... And I agree on the wireless thing and laptops, too. I just set up a network like that for my dad a couple of weeks ago and laptop with wireless networking ROCKS! Just make sure to set up the security on the wireless network.
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--- Tan and Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running Win XP on both systems. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! You may try InternetOptions/Connection/Setup in IE6 to setup the internet connection again. = Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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Tan and Steve mused: Hey all, I just know that one of you out there will be able to answer this! Basically, I have my lappy networked to my PC via ethernet. All was working fine when all of a sudden two days ago, I get the little yellow exclamation mark over the network connection in the windows task bar near the time. When I click on it it says that there is Limited or No connectivitiy. When I click on repair it says that windows is trying to renew my IP address but after a while brings up an error and says that it was unsuccessful and to contact the network administrator (hehe, that would be ME! eek!). I am able to view the hard drives and shared folders/files on each computer, however, I am unable to access the internet or email on the lappy. I am running Win XP on both systems. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! [Question: if you've lost internet access, how are you sending email?] Windows file sharing uses a different 'protocol' from Internet access; it's quite possible to share files, etc., with no internet connection. To get out onto the Internet you need an IP address (a quadruple of numbers - something that looks like like 192.168.0.100). This will be something you get from your ISP (either a fixed address, or one which is dynamically allocated from a pool when you dial up or otherwise connect). In order for two different computers to share a single internet connection you will usually need something called a 'router'. It's unclear from your message whether you can usually do this, or whether you only connect to the internet from your laptop. I'll assume the simpler case - access from the laptop only. If that is the case I suspect there is something wrong between your laptop and your ISP. It could be a connection, a faulty wire, or something beyond your house. If it's a dialup connection, is there a way for you to see whether the phone is 'in use' during the connection? Try disconnecting and reconnecting the cables. If you have an external modem (DLS modem, cable modem, etc.) try power cycling that, as well.
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Hi Alan and John! Thanks so much for your responses - I should probably clarify a couple of things. My PC is connected to the internet via cable (broadband). I use my PC predominantly, which is how I send and receive emails. My lappy is my second 'puter and it connects to the internet THROUGH my network and PC's internet connection. The reason for this is that Steve will sit and work on the lappy whilst I am working on the PC. When I initially set up the network, I experienced the same problem and a friend of mine told me to manually enter the IP addresses, and which numbers to use. However, I can't remember just where it is that I go to enter the IP addresses, and I can't remember them anyways! I did ping them using the command prompt and there is no response from either, which is strange as I AM able to access files/folders. Sorry, I am very confusing aren't I?!?! hehe. Tanya Mayer Photography Brisbane, Qld, Australia www.tanyamayer.com Ph +61 (07) 3315 4549 Mobile +61 0437831247 -Original Message- From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2005 7:35 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... --- Tan and Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running Win XP on both systems. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! You may try InternetOptions/Connection/Setup in IE6 to setup the internet connection again. = Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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To get out onto the Internet you need an IP address (a quadruple of numbers - something that looks like like 192.168.0.100) To get out onto the Internet you need a UNIQUE IP address It's unclear from your message whether you can usually do this, or whether you only connect to the internet from your laptop. I'll assume the simpler case - access from the laptop only. If that is the case I suspect there is something wrong between your laptop and your ISP. It could be a connection, a faulty wire, or something beyond your house. If it's a dialup connection, is there a way for you to see whether the phone is 'in use' during the connection? Too many variables, would need more information. John -- Original Message --- From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:35:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Tan and Steve mused: Hey all, I just know that one of you out there will be able to answer this! Basically, I have my lappy networked to my PC via ethernet. All was working fine when all of a sudden two days ago, I get the little yellow exclamation mark over the network connection in the windows task bar near the time. When I click on it it says that there is Limited or No connectivitiy. When I click on repair it says that windows is trying to renew my IP address but after a while brings up an error and says that it was unsuccessful and to contact the network administrator (hehe, that would be ME! eek!). I am able to view the hard drives and shared folders/files on each computer, however, I am unable to access the internet or email on the lappy. I am running Win XP on both systems. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! [Question: if you've lost internet access, how are you sending email?] Windows file sharing uses a different 'protocol' from Internet access; it's quite possible to share files, etc., with no internet connection. To get out onto the Internet you need an IP address (a quadruple of numbers - something that looks like like 192.168.0.100). This will be something you get from your ISP (either a fixed address, or one which is dynamically allocated from a pool when you dial up or otherwise connect). In order for two different computers to share a single internet connection you will usually need something called a 'router'. It's unclear from your message whether you can usually do this, or whether you only connect to the internet from your laptop. I'll assume the simpler case - access from the laptop only. If that is the case I suspect there is something wrong between your laptop and your ISP. It could be a connection, a faulty wire, or something beyond your house. If it's a dialup connection, is there a way for you to see whether the phone is 'in use' during the connection? Try disconnecting and reconnecting the cables. If you have an external modem (DLS modem, cable modem, etc.) try power cycling that, as well. --- End of Original Message ---
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-- Forwarded Message --- From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:58:15 + Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... To get out onto the Internet you need an IP address (a quadruple of numbers - something that looks like like 192.168.0.100) To get out onto the Internet you need a UNIQUE IP address It's unclear from your message whether you can usually do this, or whether you only connect to the internet from your laptop. I'll assume the simpler case - access from the laptop only. If that is the case I suspect there is something wrong between your laptop and your ISP. It could be a connection, a faulty wire, or something beyond your house. If it's a dialup connection, is there a way for you to see whether the phone is 'in use' during the connection? Too many variables, would need more information. John -- Original Message --- From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:35:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Tan and Steve mused: Hey all, I just know that one of you out there will be able to answer this! Basically, I have my lappy networked to my PC via ethernet. All was working fine when all of a sudden two days ago, I get the little yellow exclamation mark over the network connection in the windows task bar near the time. When I click on it it says that there is Limited or No connectivitiy. When I click on repair it says that windows is trying to renew my IP address but after a while brings up an error and says that it was unsuccessful and to contact the network administrator (hehe, that would be ME! eek!). I am able to view the hard drives and shared folders/files on each computer, however, I am unable to access the internet or email on the lappy. I am running Win XP on both systems. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! [Question: if you've lost internet access, how are you sending email?] Windows file sharing uses a different 'protocol' from Internet access; it's quite possible to share files, etc., with no internet connection. To get out onto the Internet you need an IP address (a quadruple of numbers - something that looks like like 192.168.0.100). This will be something you get from your ISP (either a fixed address, or one which is dynamically allocated from a pool when you dial up or otherwise connect). In order for two different computers to share a single internet connection you will usually need something called a 'router'. It's unclear from your message whether you can usually do this, or whether you only connect to the internet from your laptop. I'll assume the simpler case - access from the laptop only. If that is the case I suspect there is something wrong between your laptop and your ISP. It could be a connection, a faulty wire, or something beyond your house. If it's a dialup connection, is there a way for you to see whether the phone is 'in use' during the connection? Try disconnecting and reconnecting the cables. If you have an external modem (DLS modem, cable modem, etc.) try power cycling that, as well. --- End of Original Message --- --- End of Forwarded Message --- John Whittingham Technician
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On 22/2/05, Tan and Steve, discombobulated, unleashed: Sorry, I am very confusing aren't I?!?! hehe. Not confusing at all. A bloody nightmare! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem...
Tan and Steve mused: Hi Alan and John! Thanks so much for your responses - I should probably clarify a couple of things. My PC is connected to the internet via cable (broadband). I use my PC predominantly, which is how I send and receive emails. My lappy is my second 'puter and it connects to the internet THROUGH my network and PC's internet connection. Ah. So, presumably, you're using the built-in Network Bridge capability of Windows XP Home to share an internet connection. I'm less familiar with that, as I use a hardware router built in to my wireless access point. I believe your laptop should be set up (in Network Connection properties) to automatically obtain an IP address, and your Network Bridge on your desktop should be set up to act as a DHCP server. Both machines also need to have the TCP/IP protocol enabled over the ethernet connection. I did ping them using the command prompt and there is no response from either, which is strange as I AM able to access files/folders. Not strange at all. The file sharing uses Windows networking, which will work quite happily even in the absence of an internet connection. All it requires is a physical ethernet connection. The ping command uses the same TCP/IP protocal as an internet connection, which requires an IP address.
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Given it was working fine previously, I'm going to hazard a guess that it's nothing to do with the connection or your settings. Did you recently 'upgrade' to XP Service Pack 2? Cheers, Ryan - Original Message - From: Tan and Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:10 AM Subject: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Hey all, I just know that one of you out there will be able to answer this! Basically, I have my lappy networked to my PC via ethernet. All was working fine when all of a sudden two days ago, I get the little yellow exclamation mark over the network connection in the windows task bar near the time. When I click on it it says that there is Limited or No connectivitiy. When I click on repair it says that windows is trying to renew my IP address but after a while brings up an error and says that it was unsuccessful and to contact the network administrator (hehe, that would be ME! eek!). I am able to view the hard drives and shared folders/files on each computer, however, I am unable to access the internet or email on the lappy. I am running Win XP on both systems. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much in advance!! :) Tan. Tanya Mayer Photography Brisbane, Qld, Australia www.tanyamayer.com Ph +61 (07) 3315 4549 Mobile +61 0437831247
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Have you tried simply rebooting everything including router and cable modem? Sometimes that is all thats needed. -Original Message- From: Michael Heim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 4:04 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: AW: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Maybe the problem is the address of your Proxy Server. You say you have full access to your local network but no access to the internet. So your PC doesn't find the way out. If you have a broadband access, I'm sure you have to tell your PC the name of your providers Proxy Server. For example: mine is proxy.tiscalinet.ch on port 8080 (my provider ist Tiscali). The connection Options of your Webbrowser should include this address (somewhere there should be a field about your proxy server, there may be more than one). Michael -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Tan and Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Montag, 21. Februar 2005 23:08 An: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Betreff: RE: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Hi Alan and John! Thanks so much for your responses - I should probably clarify a couple of things. My PC is connected to the internet via cable (broadband). I use my PC predominantly, which is how I send and receive emails. My lappy is my second 'puter and it connects to the internet THROUGH my network and PC's internet connection. The reason for this is that Steve will sit and work on the lappy whilst I am working on the PC. When I initially set up the network, I experienced the same problem and a friend of mine told me to manually enter the IP addresses, and which numbers to use. However, I can't remember just where it is that I go to enter the IP addresses, and I can't remember them anyways! I did ping them using the command prompt and there is no response from either, which is strange as I AM able to access files/folders. Sorry, I am very confusing aren't I?!?! hehe. Tanya Mayer Photography Brisbane, Qld, Australia www.tanyamayer.com Ph +61 (07) 3315 4549 Mobile +61 0437831247 -Original Message- From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2005 7:35 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... --- Tan and Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running Win XP on both systems. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! You may try InternetOptions/Connection/Setup in IE6 to setup the internet connection again. = Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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Isaac mused: Have you tried simply rebooting everything including router and cable modem? Sometimes that is all thats needed. Doesn't fit the symptoms. 1) She doesn't have a router 2) The cable modem is working just fine, as she can get to the internet on her primary (desktop) machine.
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Sounds like you're using the PC as a bridge connection for the laptop to get out to the internet. A better arrangement would be to use a router between the cable modem and the computers. Each computer would hook directly to the router and would be able to access the internet without depending upon having the other computer turned on. A 4-port router is pretty cheap - about 40USD - and comes with a setup CD that pretty easily configures the computers on the network. Linksys and Belkin are two popular routers here in the states for home networking equipment. Adding a router has the additional benefit of built-in firewall called Network Address Translation (NAT). The outside world only sees the IP address of the router and not the IP addresses of the computers on your network. Paul - Original Message - From: Tan and Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: RE: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... Hi Alan and John! Thanks so much for your responses - I should probably clarify a couple of things. My PC is connected to the internet via cable (broadband). I use my PC predominantly, which is how I send and receive emails. My lappy is my second 'puter and it connects to the internet THROUGH my network and PC's internet connection. The reason for this is that Steve will sit and work on the lappy whilst I am working on the PC. When I initially set up the network, I experienced the same problem and a friend of mine told me to manually enter the IP addresses, and which numbers to use. However, I can't remember just where it is that I go to enter the IP addresses, and I can't remember them anyways! I did ping them using the command prompt and there is no response from either, which is strange as I AM able to access files/folders. Sorry, I am very confusing aren't I?!?! hehe. Tanya Mayer Photography Brisbane, Qld, Australia www.tanyamayer.com Ph +61 (07) 3315 4549 Mobile +61 0437831247 -Original Message- From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2005 7:35 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Computer nerds unite! I have a networking problem... --- Tan and Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running Win XP on both systems. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! You may try InternetOptions/Connection/Setup in IE6 to setup the internet connection again. = Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
