Re: OT: Re: Pocketable Camera
Would an Auto 110 (or even a Super) be an option? its a fine little camera, with quite a rnage of lenses (sharp too!) T. At 11:53 24/05/2001 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are gracious, Dan. Truth be old, the only cameras I've used, other than a couple consumer-oriented point-and-shoots before the mid 80s, are my two Minox 35s, my Olympus XA, my Super Programs, and my newly acquired Yashica Electro 35 GX. That's IT! I'm simply an able scavenger of information from magazines, websites, and discussion groups like the two that I named. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pocketable Camera
Minox 35 GT!!! just got mine and its perfect :-)) Daphne - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pocketable Camera
Hi Shel, I use an Olympus XA-2. It's very small, has a sliding cover for the 35mm f3.5 Zuiko, built-in lens which means it really does fit in a pocket, has a fully de-mountable flash, 3-setting focus, ISO dial-in from 25-800, self-timer, very quiet electronic shutter. Where I go, it goes. The Olympus XA is a better-specced camera, and if I ever get around to it I would get one, but the little XA-2 just soldiers on. HTH Cotty I'm looking for a small, pocketable, full-frame 35mm camera, perhaps a bit smaller than the Canon GIII. Requirements are: Minimal features (built-in meter that can be overridden would be nice) Quiet, unobtrusive operation Minimum shutter lag - prefer focal plane shutter w/up to 1/1000 No pop-up flash, red-eye reduction, etc. Good build quality No autofocus Any suggestions? ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pocketable Camera
How big is your pocket? How big is your pocketbook? :-) Paul M. Provencher (being impertinent) -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:30 PM To: Pentax List Subject: Pocketable Camera I'm looking for a small, pocketable, full-frame 35mm camera, perhaps a bit smaller than the Canon GIII. Requirements are: Minimal features (built-in meter that can be overridden would be nice) Quiet, unobtrusive operation Minimum shutter lag - prefer focal plane shutter w/up to 1/1000 No pop-up flash, red-eye reduction, etc. Good build quality No autofocus Any suggestions? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... there is no point in pressing the shutter unless you are making some caustic comment on the incongruities of life - Phillip Jones Griffiths - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pocketable Camera
Provencher, Paul M. wrote: How big is your pocket? Depends on the shirt I'm wearing. I'd like to be able to carry the camera in a small shirt pocket or in my jeans. How big is your pocketbook? My pocketbook is huge, although now it's pretty close to empty. I don't want to spend more than about $150.00 - $200.00. :-( -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... there is no point in pressing the shutter unless you are making some caustic comment on the incongruities of life - Phillip Jones Griffiths - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pocketable Camera
Forgot to mention, all of these do violate your no autofocus, but a few offer both. Have fun, Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pocketable Camera
Hi Shel, Paul covered the original compacts very thoroughly. If you are looking for something of more recent vintage you might want to check out some of these (all feature exp. compensation, many have adj. diopters, spot metering, and metal bodies): Ricoh GR1s, 28mm (Camera Traders Ltd. has lowest US $, BH has specs) Canon Sure Shot Classic 120 Zoom, 38-120mm Contax T3, 35mm Zeiss Sonnar T* Contax Tvs III, 30-60mm Zeiss T* Vario Sonnar Fuji DL Super Mini Zoom, 28-56mm Konica LEXIO-70 Zoom, 28-70mm Leica C1 Zoom, 38-105mm Vario-Elmar Leica Minilux, 40mm Summarit Leica Minilux Zoom, 35-70mm Vario-Elmar Leica Z2X Zoom, 35-70mm Vario-Elmar Minolta TC-1, 28mm Rollei Prego 115 Zoom, 38-115mm Rollei QZ35(all versions) Unfortunately, no personal experience with any of them. Too bad Pentax doesn't come out with a fast 50mm (or a 43mm) PS with exposure comp., Av Tv and bracketing, as it looks like a cushy niche. Have fun, Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a small, pocketable, full-frame 35mm camera, perhaps a bit smaller than the Canon GIII. Requirements are: Minimal features (built-in meter that can be overridden would be nice) Quiet, unobtrusive operation Minimum shutter lag - prefer focal plane shutter w/up to 1/1000 No pop-up flash, red-eye reduction, etc. Good build quality No autofocus Any suggestions? - -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pocketable Camera
Dan, Thanks for brining the lineup up-to-date. I was unaware that you could get spot metering on a contemporary compact. With most the models that you've named have fine lenses and other strong points, their extensive automation makes them a different breed from the flexible manual-focus models of the 70s. Among the lunder-$300 contemporary compacts, few permit you to override the film's DX setting for an entire roll. If She wanted to rate a 400 film at 250, he'd have to override each shot, frame by frame. The highly regarded 28mm, f/2.8 Ricoh GR1, like the 28/3.5 Olympus XA-4 of the 1980s, offers full-program exposure only--no program shift. Even if it allows exposure compensation, you're at the mercy of the program that Ricoh has built into the exposure curve. You have no knowledge of, or control over, the shutter speed or aperture being used. Of course, virtually all compacts but the old Yashicas allow you to depress the shutter release halfway to lock the exposure. It sounds as though Shel is looking for a camera that can serve him without flash. On these grounds alone, I'm afraid all the zoom models except perhaps the Contax Tvs III and Rollei QZ35 must be ruled out. Not only are zooms slower than the fixed-lens models; on most of them--and, alas, on the GR-1--at low EVs the built-in flash will activate by default unless your fingernail can press a tiny button two or three times to tell the flash, No thanks. Your preference to deactivate the autoflash is not remembered from roll to roll, nor from frame to frame. The Contax T3, like the T2 and the Tvs III zoom, offers autofocus or zone focus only. The original Contax T*, on the other hand (1985 to 1991?), is a manual-focus metal jewel that capably fits all of Shel's criteria except price. It sells used for $375 to $450, more for black. The T*'s flash slips onto the side, adding no height or depth; just length, which actually improves the grip. I believe the T*'s Zeiss Sonnar lens was the first of three compact-camera lenses that Modern or Popular Photography found to be the equal of the Rollei Sonnar. The same accolade was later bestowed on the Ricoh GR1 and Rollei's own QZ35. The Minox coming darn close in the 70s and was improved once or twice in the nineties. The Rollei QZ35s are an engineering marvel that failed spectacularly in the marketplace, plunging their $1800 street price to $850 in about a year. They are considerably larger and heavier than Shel wants. Minolta's TC-1, the smallest full-frame 35 ever made, is the only manual-focus camera in Dan's group. It is a mini-marvel scale focuser. Heads probably rolled at Minox for taking a back seat in the how-do-they-do-it department. One of the TC-1's best attributes, besides its 1/750th-second shutter (correct?) and tiny size: It looks like a toy! No one will suspect that its owner is Shel Belinkoff, black-and-white streetshooter extraordinaire. Unfortunately, used TC-1s are scarce and cost upward of $450. Finally, regarding most of the contemporary offerings: Could Shel really be content with autofocus? On an AF SLR, at least, you can see what you're focusing on. With a non-SLR, you never know for sure. The only autofocus compacts that I can see Shel being ecstatic with are the Nikon 35 Ti (35/2.8) and 28 Ti (28/2.8), and the Konica Hexar (35/2), preferably the original model with the silent winder and rewinder. The Nikons have three cool analog dials on the top panel to show you exposure information and more. But all are about twice Shel's target weight and three times his target price. Personally, I'd take a Minox 35 GT-E. For Shel, the consummate thinking street photographer, my recommendation remains the quirky but awesome Rollei 35S or 35 SE. Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Hi Shel, Paul covered the original compacts very thoroughly. If you are looking for something of more recent vintage you might want to check out some of these (all feature exp. compensation, many have adj. diopters, spot metering, and metal bodies): Ricoh GR1s, 28mm (Camera Traders Ltd. has lowest US $, BH has specs) Canon Sure Shot Classic 120 Zoom, 38-120mm Contax T3, 35mm Zeiss Sonnar T* Contax Tvs III, 30-60mm Zeiss T* Vario Sonnar Fuji DL Super Mini Zoom, 28-56mm Konica LEXIO-70 Zoom, 28-70mm Leica C1 Zoom, 38-105mm Vario-Elmar Leica Minilux, 40mm Summarit Leica Minilux Zoom, 35-70mm Vario-Elmar Leica Z2X Zoom, 35-70mm Vario-Elmar Minolta TC-1, 28mm Rollei Prego 115 Zoom, 38-115mm Rollei QZ35(all versions) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pocketable Camera
On 23 May 2001, at 18:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The highly regarded 28mm, f/2.8 Ricoh GR1, like the 28/3.5 Olympus XA-4 of the 1980s, offers full-program exposure only--no program shift. Even if it allows exposure compensation, you're at the mercy of the program that Ricoh has built into the exposure curve. You have no knowledge of, or control over, the shutter speed or aperture being used. The GR1 has a well positioned compensation dial, I am not sure if there is a meter display but has a bad reputation for shutter lag AFAIK. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pocketable Camera
Autofocus is a no-no. Zoom lenses are a no-no. Not being able to set my own exposure is a no-no. While a meter might be nice, I'd have to be able to control it completely, including turning it off and still being able to set exposure, otherwise a meter will only get in the way. Thanks for putting together that list though. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... there is no point in pressing the shutter unless you are making some caustic comment on the incongruities of life - Phillip Jones Griffiths Dan Scott wrote: Forgot to mention, all of these do violate your no autofocus, but a few offer both. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pocketable Camera
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might want to do as I did: Spend a couple weekends as follows: Hi Paul ... Ive downloaded everything that was of interest on Gandy's site. Thanks for all the other pointers. The Leica CL, Minolta CLE, and Contax G are not pocketable. Shel already has a great interchangeable-lens rangefinder (Leica M3); he is looking now for a fixed-lens compact. I've recently had the good fortune to get an M2 as well. BTW, both cameras will fit in my jeans' pocket with the 35mm Summicron, and will also fit into several shirt pockets (I look for shirts with big pockets). On that basis the CL and CLE are definitely pocketable, but, really, I'm looking for something smaller and cheaper. Thus far, it seems that the Canon GIII and the Olympus 35RD are the cameras that will be hard to beat. I already know how the canon fits and works for my needs and preferences, and the RD seems like it may work well too. I may end up staying with something of their size ... but the search continues. As I did for Pentax lenses, I've been building a huge table of specs, ratings, and comments on cameras such as these. It's on 11x17 paper in FrameMaker, but if you'd like I can PDF it and send you the PDF to read onscreen or to print (if you can find a tabloid-size printer. Please PDF it ands send it to me - if it's not too much trouble. Thanks! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... there is no point in pressing the shutter unless you are making some caustic comment on the incongruities of life - Phillip Jones Griffiths - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pocketable Camera
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 22, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: Pocketable Camera I'm looking for a small, pocketable, full-frame 35mm camera, perhaps a bit smaller than the Canon GIII. Requirements are: Minimal features (built-in meter that can be overridden would be nice) Quiet, unobtrusive operation Minimum shutter lag - prefer focal plane shutter w/up to 1/1000 No pop-up flash, red-eye reduction, etc. Good build quality No autofocus Any suggestions? Contax G2 William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
