Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh
I wanted a Spotmatic in the early '70s but couldn't afford one. I bought a used Mamiya 1000 DT and two lenses -- a Mamiya/ Sekor 55/1.8 and a Vivitar 200/3.5 for $100 from a guy who "repossessed" cars. Made a lot of money with that kit shooting for Super Stock and Drag Illustrated Magazine. When the Mamiya died I bought a Fuji 801 because the Spotmatic had been discontinued. I eventually bought a used Pentax H3v, then numerous Spotmatics and finally the K- mount cameras. Pentax has served me well. I'm a loyal dog. Paul via phone > On Apr 13, 2017, at 6:23 PM, John Francis wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 04:07:56PM -0400, Ken Waller wrote: >> Same experience here. >> Got my first Pentax, an Asahi spotmatic in 1969 after using a friend's >> spotmatic for a few races. >> I've only owned Pentax slrs ever since and except for a motor rewind issue >> with a PZ1, I've had no issues. >> The PZ1 was my most heavily used camera - I pushed thousands of 36 exposure >> rolls thru it in the years I used it. >> I've had an ES, MZ-S, PZ1, PZ1P, MX, ist*D, K10D, K20D and K3. >> >> I have most of the lenses I want and don't see a need for larger file sizes. >> >> Kenneth Waller >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > That's just about where I'm at. Since 1972 I've used (and mostly still own) > an SP II, MX, ME, Super Program, PZ1p, a backup MX, MZ-S, *istD, K10D, and K5. > > My lifetime average is almost certainly less than one roll a week, so I think > most of the equipment I have will outlast me. Nearly all my lenses are > KA-mount > or later, so work just fine on the PZ1p or any of the digital bodies (and with > the MZ-S, subject to the limitation that lenses without an aperture ring can't > be used in Aperture Priority or Manual modes). > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 04:07:56PM -0400, Ken Waller wrote: > Same experience here. > Got my first Pentax, an Asahi spotmatic in 1969 after using a friend's > spotmatic for a few races. > I've only owned Pentax slrs ever since and except for a motor rewind issue > with a PZ1, I've had no issues. > The PZ1 was my most heavily used camera - I pushed thousands of 36 exposure > rolls thru it in the years I used it. > I've had an ES, MZ-S, PZ1, PZ1P, MX, ist*D, K10D, K20D and K3. > > I have most of the lenses I want and don't see a need for larger file sizes. > > Kenneth Waller > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller That's just about where I'm at. Since 1972 I've used (and mostly still own) an SP II, MX, ME, Super Program, PZ1p, a backup MX, MZ-S, *istD, K10D, and K5. My lifetime average is almost certainly less than one roll a week, so I think most of the equipment I have will outlast me. Nearly all my lenses are KA-mount or later, so work just fine on the PZ1p or any of the digital bodies (and with the MZ-S, subject to the limitation that lenses without an aperture ring can't be used in Aperture Priority or Manual modes). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh
Same experience here. Got my first Pentax, an Asahi spotmatic in 1969 after using a friend's spotmatic for a few races. I've only owned Pentax slrs ever since and except for a motor rewind issue with a PZ1, I've had no issues. The PZ1 was my most heavily used camera - I pushed thousands of 36 exposure rolls thru it in the years I used it. I've had an ES, MZ-S, PZ1, PZ1P, MX, ist*D, K10D, K20D and K3. I have most of the lenses I want and don't see a need for larger file sizes. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:03 AM Subject: Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh My experience is the same as John's. I bought my first Pentax -- actually branded as a Honeywell Spotmatic - in 1967, and I have been loyal since, because I could use my older lenses in the newer models, and because of the consistent quality of the cameras and lenses. Like John, my current cameras may well outlive me. Dan On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:16 PM, John Coyle wrote: I've owned Pentax cameras (with one exception) since 1968, and have never had cause to complain. Like all mechanical or electronic items, they can break and need repairs, but I've only once had to send a Pentax camera in for repair! I expect to be using my current crop (MZ-S, *ist-d, K5ii-s, SV and a couple of other older models) until hell freezes over. I'll be sorry if Ricoh do drop out, they've done some good stuff in the last few years - BUT, they do need to market! The fact is at my age my Pentax kit will probably outlast me, so I'm good to go! John in Brisbane Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh
Well I beat the crap out of my equipment, my recent LX issue is a case in point. So I may need a replacement body after somehow killing main camera. I have a lot of old lenses, don't use as many as I used to, but I find a couple of old K and M mount lenses very useful, and I worry about two things, that Ricoh will decide to stop all support in camera for all mechanical functions which will leave even the newer DA limited lenses crippled, (I've seen enough calls for this on the Pentax Fora to understand how short sighted people can be), or Ricoh abandoning the K mount altogether in favor of following the mirrorless trend.* I find the focus and zoom by wire functionality that's being introduced into DSLR lenses troubling too. Part of the point of a DSLR is that you can focus and frame without having to turn the damned camera on. I don't find that trend quite so onerous on a mirrorless camera since you can't actually see through the viewfinder unless it's powered on. I understand that it makes the lenses simpler to design, but I still find it counter productive. I do have a small worry about Ricoh simply shutting down advanced camera production, they've done it before, but that seems less likely than the the other options. *If you actually examine the numbers it isn't that much of a trend. On 4/13/2017 9:03 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: My experience is the same as John's. I bought my first Pentax -- actually branded as a Honeywell Spotmatic - in 1967, and I have been loyal since, because I could use my older lenses in the newer models, and because of the consistent quality of the cameras and lenses. Like John, my current cameras may well outlive me. Dan On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:16 PM, John Coyle wrote: I've owned Pentax cameras (with one exception) since 1968, and have never had cause to complain. Like all mechanical or electronic items, they can break and need repairs, but I've only once had to send a Pentax camera in for repair! I expect to be using my current crop (MZ-S, *ist-d, K5ii-s, SV and a couple of other older models) until hell freezes over. I'll be sorry if Ricoh do drop out, they've done some good stuff in the last few years - BUT, they do need to market! The fact is at my age my Pentax kit will probably outlast me, so I'm good to go! John in Brisbane Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Since my first Pentax, an ME-Super back in late 1979, I've had numerous others. The ones that I had problems with: ME-Super - iso dial issues and stuck shutter release button. 6x7 - weird delamination or some other thing happening to the pentaprism *istD - sensor gone bad The rest have been very good: MX, PZ-1P, K-5, K-20, K100D, K-1 On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > My experience is the same as John's. > > I bought my first Pentax -- actually branded as a Honeywell Spotmatic - in > 1967, and I have been loyal since, because I could use my older lenses in > the newer models, and because of the consistent quality of the cameras and > lenses. Like John, my current cameras may well outlive me. > > Dan > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:16 PM, John Coyle wrote: > >> I've owned Pentax cameras (with one exception) since 1968, and have never >> had cause to complain. >> Like all mechanical or electronic items, they can break and need repairs, >> but I've only once had to >> send a Pentax camera in for repair! I expect to be using my current crop >> (MZ-S, *ist-d, K5ii-s, SV >> and a couple of other older models) until hell freezes over. I'll be >> sorry if Ricoh do drop out, >> they've done some good stuff in the last few years - BUT, they do need to >> market! >> >> The fact is at my age my Pentax kit will probably outlast me, so I'm good >> to go! >> >> >> John in Brisbane >> > > > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh
My experience is the same as John's. I bought my first Pentax -- actually branded as a Honeywell Spotmatic - in 1967, and I have been loyal since, because I could use my older lenses in the newer models, and because of the consistent quality of the cameras and lenses. Like John, my current cameras may well outlive me. Dan On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:16 PM, John Coyle wrote: > I've owned Pentax cameras (with one exception) since 1968, and have never > had cause to complain. > Like all mechanical or electronic items, they can break and need repairs, > but I've only once had to > send a Pentax camera in for repair! I expect to be using my current crop > (MZ-S, *ist-d, K5ii-s, SV > and a couple of other older models) until hell freezes over. I'll be > sorry if Ricoh do drop out, > they've done some good stuff in the last few years - BUT, they do need to > market! > > The fact is at my age my Pentax kit will probably outlast me, so I'm good > to go! > > > John in Brisbane > Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've owned Pentax cameras (with one exception) since 1968, and have never had cause to complain. Like all mechanical or electronic items, they can break and need repairs, but I've only once had to send a Pentax camera in for repair! I expect to be using my current crop (MZ-S, *ist-d, K5ii-s, SV and a couple of other older models) until hell freezes over. I'll be sorry if Ricoh do drop out, they've done some good stuff in the last few years - BUT, they do need to market! The fact is at my age my Pentax kit will probably outlast me, so I'm good to go! John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2017 4:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 09:36:30PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: > > > Bipin Gupta wrote: > > This came in today to my Inbox: > > > > http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on > > -personal-camera-business > > > > The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? > > Well that could really and truly suck. I doubt if it will affect me much, if at all. I anticipate buying at most one more traditional DSLR - I don't feel tempted by the K1, but might be interested if there was a follow-up APS-C model with most of the improvements from the K1 (and, no doubt, a few more as well). If that doesn't materialise I'll probably either stick with what I have today or switch over to Olympus; the EPL1 has served me well over the years, but is several generations behind in sensor technology (though still good enough for casual everyday use ). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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FWIW - Ricoh seems to deny the rumor: http://www.ricoh.com/info/2017/0412_1.html On 4/12/2017 12:23 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote: This came in today to my Inbox: http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with some existing Camera Manufacturer. God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves. Regards. Bipin from the IT / Computer Capital of the World. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh
Who knows, Japanese companies are notoriously cagey about such things. I expect that they make the most money on the higher sales price items. The problem is Ricoh needs to produce an entry level camera that's good enough to hook users and lure them into higher profit upgrades. I suspect that they actually sold more K-5 cameras including K-5II and K-5IIs cameras than they actually sold K-500 cameras. In point of fact, the K-P looks like an entry level camera in a lot of respects disguised as a flagship APS-C camera. Fit finish and materials are probably up to K-3 levels, while the actual working hardware is actually derived from the K-70. Start it at a K-3 price grab back as much development cost as possible from early adopters then let the price drop to entry level. That could actually work if the camera feels like a pro level camera. I must say that's one of the things I like about the K-5II. It's one of the most professional feeling cameras I've held in it's class. On 4/12/2017 6:07 PM, John Sessoms wrote: The article makes me think Ricoh is downsizing, but not getting out of the camera business completely. Which camera lines does Ricoh make the most money on? Which lines the least? On 4/12/2017 16:26, P. J. Alling wrote: Ricoh is probably not still building K-3II cameras but they are still officially in production. Even with Ricoh owning the Pentax name, Pentax was and is a small player and I doubt that they can build more than two different models at the same time. The K-1 and K-P are currently being built. The K-3 III, or something, will be produced when there are either enough of the previous two models built to satisfy expected demand until their planned replacement is released of Ricoh decides to leave the Camera business again... But we /know/ there will be a K-3 replacement and the K-P isn't it. They promised. On 4/12/2017 2:04 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 12.04.17 um 16:55 schrieb Stanley Halpin: I believe various EU and other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to have a two year supply of spare parts after an item ceases production? Noblex (Dresden, Germany, EU) stopped their panoramic camera production without any advance warning and without stocking a single spare part. They wouldn't even have been able to do warranty repairs. Maybe I could have sued them but I sold everything and came out with no more than a black eye, financially. Considering that I've bought a few new lenses not too long ago, my Pentax DSLRs all developed problems after about 4 years and my K-3 is from 2014, I'm thinking about buying another Pentax DSLR as long as they're available and service is still assured, to be on the safe side. Is the K-3II still in production? Or should I go for a KP? Ralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The article makes me think Ricoh is downsizing, but not getting out of the camera business completely. Which camera lines does Ricoh make the most money on? Which lines the least? On 4/12/2017 16:26, P. J. Alling wrote: Ricoh is probably not still building K-3II cameras but they are still officially in production. Even with Ricoh owning the Pentax name, Pentax was and is a small player and I doubt that they can build more than two different models at the same time. The K-1 and K-P are currently being built. The K-3 III, or something, will be produced when there are either enough of the previous two models built to satisfy expected demand until their planned replacement is released of Ricoh decides to leave the Camera business again... But we /know/ there will be a K-3 replacement and the K-P isn't it. They promised. On 4/12/2017 2:04 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 12.04.17 um 16:55 schrieb Stanley Halpin: I believe various EU and other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to have a two year supply of spare parts after an item ceases production? Noblex (Dresden, Germany, EU) stopped their panoramic camera production without any advance warning and without stocking a single spare part. They wouldn't even have been able to do warranty repairs. Maybe I could have sued them but I sold everything and came out with no more than a black eye, financially. Considering that I've bought a few new lenses not too long ago, my Pentax DSLRs all developed problems after about 4 years and my K-3 is from 2014, I'm thinking about buying another Pentax DSLR as long as they're available and service is still assured, to be on the safe side. Is the K-3II still in production? Or should I go for a KP? Ralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Everyone discriminates against poor old farts! On 4/12/2017 12:41, Alan C wrote: Someone always discriminates against poor old farts. Alan C -Original Message- From: Gonz Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh There will always be demand, the question is what will be the steady state demand? And at that demand rate, what will be the price? If the scale is much smaller, then the prices will be much higher to justify the lines and design efforts. The hobby may end up being relegated to rich old farts... On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:07 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: NIkon is cutting back too. Canon may be fatally wounded, though like the conceptual dinosaurs of the 19th century, (which they still taught when I was in school), it's too big to know it's dead yet. Digital cameras whether DSLR, Mirrorless or Old Fashioned RF, have reached the level of sufficiency for pretty much every segment of the market. 12 to 16mp serves for most serious amateurs and even many professionals. Almost no one needs more than that, and those who actually do /need/ that kind of resolution aren't enough to sustain the mass market, they buy Phase 1 backs for their medium format cameras. and pass on the costs to their clients. For everyday use the camera in the average Cell phone is good enough so the market for stand alone P&S cameras is dead. The Megapixel race has become pointless, image quality is now better than good enough, and has been for two generations of camera sensors, and anyone who's had to pour over several hundred almost identical frames probably doesn't figure that they need faster than say 7 to 10 frames per second, damn that's too much like work if you're doing it for fun. That's the state of the current camera industry. Most people already have the camera they perceive that they need. Which is why the market for advanced cameras is contracting. I mean really, look at this list, how many of us are still using K-5 family, or earlier, cameras. I mean sure a K-3 would be a small boost in frame rate a bit improved AF, and actually a significant boost in resolution, at very little cost in image noise, but I don't covet it, and a used K-3 sells for not much more than a used K-5II. More importantly we're not the typical user base, we're more likely to want the latest and greatest. Most people don't need that and aren't willing to shell out hard earned money for incremental improvements. On 4/12/2017 11:01 AM, Gonz wrote: Yeah, I don't know, why wait till shit starts breaking and your equipment loses value steadily? If the sky truly is falling, then maybe its time to sell all and start over. Maybe Nikon will buy the patents for the in body image stabilization, that is certainly a valuable technology. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Stanley Halpin wrote: Do they have a just-in-time stocking model for camera and lens spare parts? Or do they plan ahead for expected demand several years out? If the latter, (which makes sense in terms of batch orders of limited run items from suppliers) then we should be ok for a while. I believe various EU and other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to have a two year supply of spare parts after an item ceases production? Not panicked yet… stan On Apr 12, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Gonz wrote: Yeah, here's hoping. But if something goes wrong, the spare parts department might be in a bind... On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh turns out the lights. Paul via phone On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz wrote: Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: This came in today to my Inbox: http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with some existing Camera Manufacturer. God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves. Regards. Bipin from the IT / Computer Capital of the World. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out
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On 4/12/2017 10:55, Stanley Halpin wrote: Not panicked yet… stan Well, that's certainly not the PDML way! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:07 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > NIkon is cutting back too. > > > The Megapixel race has become pointless, image quality is now better than > good enough, and has been for two generations of camera sensors, and anyone > who's had to pour over several hundred almost identical frames probably > doesn't figure that they need faster than say 7 to 10 frames per second, > damn that's too much like work if you're doing it for fun. > I've said that for years. My 2.74 cameras still produce the same good quality 8x10 as back in 2001. I'm happy with 10-12 odd mp. I guess holding onto my other system, Nikon may be a blessing in the future. We did have the manager of the local Henrys big camera store talk at one camera club meeting and he mentioned that they felt camera sales were down a lot due to iphones etc but lens sales were holding their own. Dave Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ricoh is probably not still building K-3II cameras but they are still officially in production. Even with Ricoh owning the Pentax name, Pentax was and is a small player and I doubt that they can build more than two different models at the same time. The K-1 and K-P are currently being built. The K-3 III, or something, will be produced when there are either enough of the previous two models built to satisfy expected demand until their planned replacement is released of Ricoh decides to leave the Camera business again... But we /know/ there will be a K-3 replacement and the K-P isn't it. They promised. On 4/12/2017 2:04 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 12.04.17 um 16:55 schrieb Stanley Halpin: I believe various EU and other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to have a two year supply of spare parts after an item ceases production? Noblex (Dresden, Germany, EU) stopped their panoramic camera production without any advance warning and without stocking a single spare part. They wouldn't even have been able to do warranty repairs. Maybe I could have sued them but I sold everything and came out with no more than a black eye, financially. Considering that I've bought a few new lenses not too long ago, my Pentax DSLRs all developed problems after about 4 years and my K-3 is from 2014, I'm thinking about buying another Pentax DSLR as long as they're available and service is still assured, to be on the safe side. Is the K-3II still in production? Or should I go for a KP? Ralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I know where you live. ;) No worries, I'll leave the K-1 and some wonderful glass behind. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: > Dream on! > >> On 12 Apr 2017, at 19:49, Gonz wrote: >> >> I'll just take all your Leica gear, much easier. >> >>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: >>> You'll just have give it back and let them keep the money. >>> On 12 Apr 2017, at 14:56, Gonz wrote: Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: > This came in today to my Inbox: > > http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business > > The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? > > Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with > some existing > Camera Manufacturer. > > God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves. > > Regards. > Bipin > > from the IT / Computer Capital of the World. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding >> it still. Dorothea Lange >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Dream on! > On 12 Apr 2017, at 19:49, Gonz wrote: > > I'll just take all your Leica gear, much easier. > >> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: >> You'll just have give it back and let them keep the money. >> >>> On 12 Apr 2017, at 14:56, Gonz wrote: >>> >>> Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses >>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: This came in today to my Inbox: http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with some existing Camera Manufacturer. God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves. Regards. Bipin from the IT / Computer Capital of the World. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding >>> it still. Dorothea Lange >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding > it still. Dorothea Lange > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'll just take all your Leica gear, much easier. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: > You'll just have give it back and let them keep the money. > >> On 12 Apr 2017, at 14:56, Gonz wrote: >> >> Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses >> >>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: >>> This came in today to my Inbox: >>> >>> http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business >>> >>> The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? >>> >>> Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with >>> some existing >>> Camera Manufacturer. >>> >>> God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Bipin >>> >>> from the IT / Computer Capital of the World. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding >> it still. Dorothea Lange >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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For night photography you want the k1, For action, find a k3ii On April 12, 2017 11:04:38 AM PDT, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: >Am 12.04.17 um 16:55 schrieb Stanley Halpin: >> I believe various EU and other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers >need to have a two year supply of spare parts after an item ceases >production? > >Noblex (Dresden, Germany, EU) stopped their panoramic camera production > >without any advance warning and without stocking a single spare part. >They wouldn't even have been able to do warranty repairs. > >Maybe I could have sued them but I sold everything and came out with no > >more than a black eye, financially. > >Considering that I've bought a few new lenses not too long ago, my >Pentax DSLRs all developed problems after about 4 years and my K-3 is >from 2014, I'm thinking about buying another Pentax DSLR as long as >they're available and service is still assured, to be on the safe side. > >Is the K-3II still in production? Or should I go for a KP? > >Ralf > >-- >Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany >Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com >Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf >Web : http://www.fotoralf.de > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 12.04.17 um 16:55 schrieb Stanley Halpin: I believe various EU and other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to have a two year supply of spare parts after an item ceases production? Noblex (Dresden, Germany, EU) stopped their panoramic camera production without any advance warning and without stocking a single spare part. They wouldn't even have been able to do warranty repairs. Maybe I could have sued them but I sold everything and came out with no more than a black eye, financially. Considering that I've bought a few new lenses not too long ago, my Pentax DSLRs all developed problems after about 4 years and my K-3 is from 2014, I'm thinking about buying another Pentax DSLR as long as they're available and service is still assured, to be on the safe side. Is the K-3II still in production? Or should I go for a KP? Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You'll just have give it back and let them keep the money. > On 12 Apr 2017, at 14:56, Gonz wrote: > > Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses > >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: >> This came in today to my Inbox: >> >> http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business >> >> The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? >> >> Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with >> some existing >> Camera Manufacturer. >> >> God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves. >> >> Regards. >> Bipin >> >> from the IT / Computer Capital of the World. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding > it still. Dorothea Lange > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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True, but with the current situation the biggest competition for the newest camera is it's previous generation. A lot of people who didn't live through the Camera Craze of the 1970s when SLR technology made it possible for everyone who wanted one to have a semi pro level SLR, at prices that were insanely affordable. Most of those cameras and lenses were mechanically reliable, and optically capable of taking photos as good as the most expensive system cameras, in the right hands. Unfortunately most people who bought them didn't have the right hands. It actually took talent and dedication to make good photographs, (who knew). Those cameras ended up in attics, basements and the back shelf of the bedroom closet. For a long time if someone wanted a good semi pro camera, they already had a friend or relative willing to unload a pretty good SLR cheep. The camera market crashed and a lot of manufactures left the industry, Ricoh being one of the last to give up the ghost before the age of Digital Photography. Now it looks like they /may/, (notice the weasel word), kill the original Pentax brand and technology base where before they only killed their own take on it. On 4/12/2017 12:12 PM, Gonz wrote: There will always be demand, the question is what will be the steady state demand? And at that demand rate, what will be the price? If the scale is much smaller, then the prices will be much higher to justify the lines and design efforts. The hobby may end up being relegated to rich old farts... On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:07 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: NIkon is cutting back too. Canon may be fatally wounded, though like the conceptual dinosaurs of the 19th century, (which they still taught when I was in school), it's too big to know it's dead yet. Digital cameras whether DSLR, Mirrorless or Old Fashioned RF, have reached the level of sufficiency for pretty much every segment of the market. 12 to 16mp serves for most serious amateurs and even many professionals. Almost no one needs more than that, and those who actually do /need/ that kind of resolution aren't enough to sustain the mass market, they buy Phase 1 backs for their medium format cameras. and pass on the costs to their clients. For everyday use the camera in the average Cell phone is good enough so the market for stand alone P&S cameras is dead. The Megapixel race has become pointless, image quality is now better than good enough, and has been for two generations of camera sensors, and anyone who's had to pour over several hundred almost identical frames probably doesn't figure that they need faster than say 7 to 10 frames per second, damn that's too much like work if you're doing it for fun. That's the state of the current camera industry. Most people already have the camera they perceive that they need. Which is why the market for advanced cameras is contracting. I mean really, look at this list, how many of us are still using K-5 family, or earlier, cameras. I mean sure a K-3 would be a small boost in frame rate a bit improved AF, and actually a significant boost in resolution, at very little cost in image noise, but I don't covet it, and a used K-3 sells for not much more than a used K-5II. More importantly we're not the typical user base, we're more likely to want the latest and greatest. Most people don't need that and aren't willing to shell out hard earned money for incremental improvements. On 4/12/2017 11:01 AM, Gonz wrote: Yeah, I don't know, why wait till shit starts breaking and your equipment loses value steadily? If the sky truly is falling, then maybe its time to sell all and start over. Maybe Nikon will buy the patents for the in body image stabilization, that is certainly a valuable technology. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Stanley Halpin wrote: Do they have a just-in-time stocking model for camera and lens spare parts? Or do they plan ahead for expected demand several years out? If the latter, (which makes sense in terms of batch orders of limited run items from suppliers) then we should be ok for a while. I believe various EU and other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to have a two year supply of spare parts after an item ceases production? Not panicked yet… stan On Apr 12, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Gonz wrote: Yeah, here's hoping. But if something goes wrong, the spare parts department might be in a bind... On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh turns out the lights. Paul via phone On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz wrote: Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: This came in today to my Inbox: http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with some existing Camera Manufact
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Someone always discriminates against poor old farts. Alan C -Original Message- From: Gonz Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh There will always be demand, the question is what will be the steady state demand? And at that demand rate, what will be the price? If the scale is much smaller, then the prices will be much higher to justify the lines and design efforts. The hobby may end up being relegated to rich old farts... On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:07 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: NIkon is cutting back too. Canon may be fatally wounded, though like the conceptual dinosaurs of the 19th century, (which they still taught when I was in school), it's too big to know it's dead yet. Digital cameras whether DSLR, Mirrorless or Old Fashioned RF, have reached the level of sufficiency for pretty much every segment of the market. 12 to 16mp serves for most serious amateurs and even many professionals. Almost no one needs more than that, and those who actually do /need/ that kind of resolution aren't enough to sustain the mass market, they buy Phase 1 backs for their medium format cameras. and pass on the costs to their clients. For everyday use the camera in the average Cell phone is good enough so the market for stand alone P&S cameras is dead. The Megapixel race has become pointless, image quality is now better than good enough, and has been for two generations of camera sensors, and anyone who's had to pour over several hundred almost identical frames probably doesn't figure that they need faster than say 7 to 10 frames per second, damn that's too much like work if you're doing it for fun. That's the state of the current camera industry. Most people already have the camera they perceive that they need. Which is why the market for advanced cameras is contracting. I mean really, look at this list, how many of us are still using K-5 family, or earlier, cameras. I mean sure a K-3 would be a small boost in frame rate a bit improved AF, and actually a significant boost in resolution, at very little cost in image noise, but I don't covet it, and a used K-3 sells for not much more than a used K-5II. More importantly we're not the typical user base, we're more likely to want the latest and greatest. Most people don't need that and aren't willing to shell out hard earned money for incremental improvements. On 4/12/2017 11:01 AM, Gonz wrote: Yeah, I don't know, why wait till shit starts breaking and your equipment loses value steadily? If the sky truly is falling, then maybe its time to sell all and start over. Maybe Nikon will buy the patents for the in body image stabilization, that is certainly a valuable technology. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Stanley Halpin wrote: Do they have a just-in-time stocking model for camera and lens spare parts? Or do they plan ahead for expected demand several years out? If the latter, (which makes sense in terms of batch orders of limited run items from suppliers) then we should be ok for a while. I believe various EU and other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to have a two year supply of spare parts after an item ceases production? Not panicked yet… stan On Apr 12, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Gonz wrote: Yeah, here's hoping. But if something goes wrong, the spare parts department might be in a bind... On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh turns out the lights. Paul via phone On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz wrote: Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: This came in today to my Inbox: http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with some existing Camera Manufacturer. God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves. Regards. Bipin from the IT / Computer Capital of the World. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lang
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There will always be demand, the question is what will be the steady state demand? And at that demand rate, what will be the price? If the scale is much smaller, then the prices will be much higher to justify the lines and design efforts. The hobby may end up being relegated to rich old farts... On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:07 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > NIkon is cutting back too. > > Canon may be fatally wounded, though like the conceptual dinosaurs of the > 19th century, (which they still taught when I was in school), it's too big > to know it's dead yet. > > Digital cameras whether DSLR, Mirrorless or Old Fashioned RF, have reached > the level of sufficiency for pretty much every segment of the market. > > 12 to 16mp serves for most serious amateurs and even many professionals. > Almost no one needs more than that, and those who actually do /need/ that > kind of resolution aren't enough to sustain the mass market, they buy Phase > 1 backs for their medium format cameras. and pass on the costs to their > clients. > > For everyday use the camera in the average Cell phone is good enough so the > market for stand alone P&S cameras is dead. > > The Megapixel race has become pointless, image quality is now better than > good enough, and has been for two generations of camera sensors, and anyone > who's had to pour over several hundred almost identical frames probably > doesn't figure that they need faster than say 7 to 10 frames per second, > damn that's too much like work if you're doing it for fun. > > That's the state of the current camera industry. > > Most people already have the camera they perceive that they need. Which is > why the market for advanced cameras is contracting. > > I mean really, look at this list, how many of us are still using K-5 family, > or earlier, cameras. I mean sure a K-3 would be a small boost in frame rate > a bit improved AF, and actually a significant boost in resolution, at very > little cost in image noise, but I don't covet it, and a used K-3 sells for > not much more than a used K-5II. > > More importantly we're not the typical user base, we're more likely to want > the latest and greatest. Most people don't need that and aren't willing to > shell out hard earned money for incremental improvements. > > > > > On 4/12/2017 11:01 AM, Gonz wrote: >> >> Yeah, I don't know, why wait till shit starts breaking and your >> equipment loses value steadily? If the sky truly is falling, then >> maybe its time to sell all and start over. Maybe Nikon will buy the >> patents for the in body image stabilization, that is certainly a >> valuable technology. >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Stanley Halpin >> wrote: >>> >>> Do they have a just-in-time stocking model for camera and lens spare >>> parts? Or do they plan ahead for expected demand several years out? If the >>> latter, (which makes sense in terms of batch orders of limited run items >>> from suppliers) then we should be ok for a while. I believe various EU and >>> other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to have a two year supply of >>> spare parts after an item ceases production? >>> >>> Not panicked yet… >>> >>> stan >>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Gonz wrote: Yeah, here's hoping. But if something goes wrong, the spare parts department might be in a bind... On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh turns out the > lights. > > Paul via phone > >> On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz wrote: >> >> Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses >> >>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta >>> wrote: >>> This came in today to my Inbox: >>> >>> >>> http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business >>> >>> The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? >>> >>> Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger >>> with >>> some existing >>> Camera Manufacturer. >>> >>> God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Bipin >>> >>> from the IT / Computer Capital of the World. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>> and follow the directions. >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding >> it still. Dorothea Lange >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net
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NIkon is cutting back too. Canon may be fatally wounded, though like the conceptual dinosaurs of the 19th century, (which they still taught when I was in school), it's too big to know it's dead yet. Digital cameras whether DSLR, Mirrorless or Old Fashioned RF, have reached the level of sufficiency for pretty much every segment of the market. 12 to 16mp serves for most serious amateurs and even many professionals. Almost no one needs more than that, and those who actually do /need/ that kind of resolution aren't enough to sustain the mass market, they buy Phase 1 backs for their medium format cameras. and pass on the costs to their clients. For everyday use the camera in the average Cell phone is good enough so the market for stand alone P&S cameras is dead. The Megapixel race has become pointless, image quality is now better than good enough, and has been for two generations of camera sensors, and anyone who's had to pour over several hundred almost identical frames probably doesn't figure that they need faster than say 7 to 10 frames per second, damn that's too much like work if you're doing it for fun. That's the state of the current camera industry. Most people already have the camera they perceive that they need. Which is why the market for advanced cameras is contracting. I mean really, look at this list, how many of us are still using K-5 family, or earlier, cameras. I mean sure a K-3 would be a small boost in frame rate a bit improved AF, and actually a significant boost in resolution, at very little cost in image noise, but I don't covet it, and a used K-3 sells for not much more than a used K-5II. More importantly we're not the typical user base, we're more likely to want the latest and greatest. Most people don't need that and aren't willing to shell out hard earned money for incremental improvements. On 4/12/2017 11:01 AM, Gonz wrote: Yeah, I don't know, why wait till shit starts breaking and your equipment loses value steadily? If the sky truly is falling, then maybe its time to sell all and start over. Maybe Nikon will buy the patents for the in body image stabilization, that is certainly a valuable technology. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Stanley Halpin wrote: Do they have a just-in-time stocking model for camera and lens spare parts? Or do they plan ahead for expected demand several years out? If the latter, (which makes sense in terms of batch orders of limited run items from suppliers) then we should be ok for a while. I believe various EU and other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to have a two year supply of spare parts after an item ceases production? Not panicked yet… stan On Apr 12, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Gonz wrote: Yeah, here's hoping. But if something goes wrong, the spare parts department might be in a bind... On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh turns out the lights. Paul via phone On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz wrote: Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: This came in today to my Inbox: http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with some existing Camera Manufacturer. God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves. Regards. Bipin from the IT / Computer Capital of the World. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh
Yeah, I don't know, why wait till shit starts breaking and your equipment loses value steadily? If the sky truly is falling, then maybe its time to sell all and start over. Maybe Nikon will buy the patents for the in body image stabilization, that is certainly a valuable technology. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Stanley Halpin wrote: > Do they have a just-in-time stocking model for camera and lens spare parts? > Or do they plan ahead for expected demand several years out? If the latter, > (which makes sense in terms of batch orders of limited run items from > suppliers) then we should be ok for a while. I believe various EU and other > jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to have a two year supply of spare > parts after an item ceases production? > > Not panicked yet… > > stan > >> On Apr 12, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Gonz wrote: >> >> Yeah, here's hoping. But if something goes wrong, the spare parts >> department might be in a bind... >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >>> Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh turns out the lights. >>> >>> Paul via phone >>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz wrote: Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: > This came in today to my Inbox: > > http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business > > The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? > > Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with > some existing > Camera Manufacturer. > > God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves. > > Regards. > Bipin > > from the IT / Computer Capital of the World. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding >> it still. Dorothea Lange >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh
Do they have a just-in-time stocking model for camera and lens spare parts? Or do they plan ahead for expected demand several years out? If the latter, (which makes sense in terms of batch orders of limited run items from suppliers) then we should be ok for a while. I believe various EU and other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to have a two year supply of spare parts after an item ceases production? Not panicked yet… stan > On Apr 12, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Gonz wrote: > > Yeah, here's hoping. But if something goes wrong, the spare parts > department might be in a bind... > > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh turns out the lights. >> >> Paul via phone >> >>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz wrote: >>> >>> Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses >>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: This came in today to my Inbox: http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with some existing Camera Manufacturer. God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves. Regards. Bipin from the IT / Computer Capital of the World. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding >>> it still. Dorothea Lange >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding > it still. Dorothea Lange > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh
Yeah, here's hoping. But if something goes wrong, the spare parts department might be in a bind... On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh turns out the lights. > > Paul via phone > >> On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz wrote: >> >> Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses >> >>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: >>> This came in today to my Inbox: >>> >>> http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business >>> >>> The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? >>> >>> Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with >>> some existing >>> Camera Manufacturer. >>> >>> God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Bipin >>> >>> from the IT / Computer Capital of the World. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding >> it still. Dorothea Lange >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh
Notice the word "may" in the headline. That's a feature of the 11th commandment, Cover thy ass. With that headline the writer and editor are admitting that they have no idea what Ricoh is actually going to do. Admittedly it's not good that the imaging division is having resources moved to other more profitable operations, but Ricoh's core competence is office machinery, copiers in fact, and even that division is having trouble in the current market. I wouldn't say you shouldn't worry, but, I don't think that even Ricoh upper management has any idea of what to do at this point. On 4/12/2017 9:55 AM, Gonz wrote: Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: This came in today to my Inbox: http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with some existing Camera Manufacturer. God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves. Regards. Bipin from the IT / Computer Capital of the World. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh
Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh turns out the lights. Paul via phone > On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz wrote: > > Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses > >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: >> This came in today to my Inbox: >> >> http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business >> >> The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? >> >> Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with >> some existing >> Camera Manufacturer. >> >> God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves. >> >> Regards. >> Bipin >> >> from the IT / Computer Capital of the World. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding > it still. Dorothea Lange > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh
Well that sux. I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: > This came in today to my Inbox: > > http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business > > The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? > > Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with > some existing > Camera Manufacturer. > > God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves. > > Regards. > Bipin > > from the IT / Computer Capital of the World. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 09:36:30PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: > > > Bipin Gupta wrote: > > This came in today to my Inbox: > > > > http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business > > > > The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? > > Well that could really and truly suck. I doubt if it will affect me much, if at all. I anticipate buying at most one more traditional DSLR - I don't feel tempted by the K1, but might be interested if there was a follow-up APS-C model with most of the improvements from the K1 (and, no doubt, a few more as well). If that doesn't materialise I'll probably either stick with what I have today or switch over to Olympus; the EPL1 has served me well over the years, but is several generations behind in sensor technology (though still good enough for casual everyday use ). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh
There are an awful lot of possibles and maybes in that article. There's no way of knowing whether Ricoh is actually getting out of the camera business, and that article is written in such a way that if they do, the author can claim to be prescient, and if they don't he can just simply forget it was ever written. Demand for mid level and high end DSLRs and Mirrorless cameras has fallen in the last few years cell phones are now good enough general picture takers that entry level DSLRs and Mirrorless are feeling the pinch. Even Nikon is feeling the squeeze. Sony want's to own the camera market one way or another and is willing to burn Yen in heaping piles to get it, and Canon can continue on as they are simply from inertia, for a very long time, everybody else is going to have to retrench or go under. On 4/12/2017 12:36 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Bipin Gupta wrote: This came in today to my Inbox: http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? Well that could really and truly suck. Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with some existing Camera Manufacturer. God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves. Regards. Bipin from the IT / Computer Capital of the World. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh
Bipin Gupta wrote: This came in today to my Inbox: http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near?? Well that could really and truly suck. Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with some existing Camera Manufacturer. God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves. Regards. Bipin from the IT / Computer Capital of the World. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
