Re: What do you think about the future of Pentax "flagship" APS-C-camera line?

[P. J. Alling]

Too true, and their imaging division is one of the more profitable 
portions of the company...



On 11/20/2018 1:58 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

https://www.channele2e.com/news/ricoh-layoffs-2018-management-staff-cuts-business-unit-sale/

And from Reuters:

"Ricoh and legacy companies that supply office printing equipment such as Xerox 
Corp have been looking to sell assets and focus on other areas of growth as paper 
printing increasingly gives way to digital alternatives.

Earlier this year, Japan’s Fujifilm Holdings said it would buy Xerox in a $6.1 
billion deal to gain scale and cut costs. That proposal has, however, hit road 
blocks as two of Xerox’s top shareholders — Carl Icahn and Darwin Deason — 
opposed the deal.

Ricoh, meanwhile, has already cut over 5,000 jobs in North America since 
beginning of this year, the Nikkei said.

The 59-year old company has reported declining profits for the past four years. 
Its stock has shed nearly two-thirds of its market value since its peak in 
2007.”

Rick





On Nov 15, 2018, at 4:42 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:

IIRC, in an interview at one of the big shows last spring, a Pentax honcho said 
that a K-3ii successor was their first development priority.

It’s also true, though, that Ricoh (and all the other office equipment 
companies) are having a terrible time as the world abandons paper documents.

Rick

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 08:39 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
On a point of grammar, the collective noun for cormorants is not 'flock' - we 
say 'a mess of cormorants', and 'a shag-bag'.




On 15 Nov 2018, at 02:24, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:


I knew a dance called "shag" (aka Collegiate Shag, which is different from 
Carolina Shag). I also knew the slang meaning used chiefly by Brits.
But I just have learnt what species of birds this word applies to (especially 
for people from NZ). That way it became so relevant to PDML!

But how can you make a quick profit on cormorants (especially using the 
camera)?! That is impossible!
However, the PDML flock can be so flippant! ;)



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Re: What do you think about the future of Pentax "flagship" APS-C-camera line?

[Rick Womer]

https://www.channele2e.com/news/ricoh-layoffs-2018-management-staff-cuts-business-unit-sale/

And from Reuters:

"Ricoh and legacy companies that supply office printing equipment such as Xerox 
Corp have been looking to sell assets and focus on other areas of growth as 
paper printing increasingly gives way to digital alternatives.

Earlier this year, Japan’s Fujifilm Holdings said it would buy Xerox in a $6.1 
billion deal to gain scale and cut costs. That proposal has, however, hit road 
blocks as two of Xerox’s top shareholders — Carl Icahn and Darwin Deason — 
opposed the deal.

Ricoh, meanwhile, has already cut over 5,000 jobs in North America since 
beginning of this year, the Nikkei said.

The 59-year old company has reported declining profits for the past four years. 
Its stock has shed nearly two-thirds of its market value since its peak in 
2007.”

Rick




> On Nov 15, 2018, at 4:42 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> IIRC, in an interview at one of the big shows last spring, a Pentax honcho 
> said that a K-3ii successor was their first development priority. 
> 
> It’s also true, though, that Ricoh (and all the other office equipment 
> companies) are having a terrible time as the world abandons paper documents. 
> 
> Rick
> 
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 08:39 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> On a point of grammar, the collective noun for cormorants is not 'flock' - we 
> say 'a mess of cormorants', and 'a shag-bag'.
> 
> 
> 
> > On 15 Nov 2018, at 02:24, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I knew a dance called "shag" (aka Collegiate Shag, which is different from 
> > Carolina Shag). I also knew the slang meaning used chiefly by Brits.
> > But I just have learnt what species of birds this word applies to 
> > (especially for people from NZ). That way it became so relevant to PDML!
> > 
> > But how can you make a quick profit on cormorants (especially using the 
> > camera)?! That is impossible!
> > However, the PDML flock can be so flippant! ;)
> > 
> > 
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> On 17 November 2018 at 10:49 Jostein  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Den 16.11.2018 22:30, skrev Steve Cottrell:
> > That's all true.
> > Except when I tried it, I placed my passport on the scanner, looked into 
> > the camera, and a door opened on the machine, a large hand shot out and 
> > slapped my face.
> 
> With a dead fish, I assume? :-D

A book of Vogon poetry.  Slim but _very_ heavy.

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[Jostein]

Den 16.11.2018 22:30, skrev Steve Cottrell:

That's all true.
Except when I tried it, I placed my passport on the scanner, looked into the 
camera, and a door opened on the machine, a large hand shot out and slapped my 
face.


With a dead fish, I assume? :-D

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Re: What do you think about the future of Pentax "flagship" APS-C-camera line?

[John]

My old passport had a real, recognizable photo, taken with my glasses on, 
affixed to the page and laminated into place.


The ID photo in my current U.S. passport is almost unrecognizable due to the way 
it's printed on the page; looks like it was scanned and printed about 4 stops 
over-exposed.


On 11/15/2018 20:25, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:

The e-passport system works most of the time, but it's not infallible, as my
wife found out in Europe this year.  It's also a bit of a nuisance to have
to take off your glasses, cap/hat, etc. when using it.  Why authorities
insist on having passport photos without glasses for people who wear them
all the time is beyond me.


John in Brisbane




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APS-C-

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On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 11:49:48AM -0500, John wrote:

On 11/15/2018 04:42, Rick Womer wrote:

IIRC, in an interview at one of the big shows last spring, a Pentax

honcho

said that a K-3ii successor was their first development priority.

It???s also true, though, that Ricoh (and all the other office

equipment

companies) are having a terrible time as the world abandons paper
documents.

Rick



Ironic in light of the increasing demand for physical photo-IDs.


I think that rather depends on where you are.

I recently had to renew my (British) passport.  Not only was I able to

submit

my photograph as a digital image - the passport itself also contains an
encoded
form of the image, readable electronically.  And apparently at some UK
airports
I could just walk up with the passport in hand, place it on the desk, and

look

into a camera.  My digital image from the camera would be checked against
the
biometric data encoded in the pasport, and if everything checked out I

would

be able to proceed through the gate.  I'm sure there would be somebody
present
to supervise things, but the whole verification process would be done
digitally.





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Re: What do you think about the future of Pentax "flagship" APS-C-camera line?

[Steve Cottrell]

On 15/11/18, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I recently had to renew my (British) passport.  Not only was I able to submit
>my photograph as a digital image - the passport itself also contains an
>encoded
>form of the image, readable electronically.  And apparently at some UK
>airports
>I could just walk up with the passport in hand, place it on the desk, and look
>into a camera.  My digital image from the camera would be checked against the
>biometric data encoded in the pasport, and if everything checked out I would
>be able to proceed through the gate.  I'm sure there would be somebody present
>to supervise things, but the whole verification process would be done
>digitally.

That's all true.

Except when I tried it, I placed my passport on the scanner, looked into the 
camera, and a door opened on the machine, a large hand shot out and slapped my 
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On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 12:31 PM Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>
> When one gets to be my age,  "the future" of anything is irrelevant.

Mark!

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[Bob W-PDML]

I'm going to live forever. Or die trying.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37552116

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On 16 Nov 2018, at 18:39, Alan C mailto:c...@lantic.net>> 
wrote:

They say the first person who will live to 150 is already living. You may just 
be he!

Alan C

On 16-Nov-18 07:30 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
When one gets to be my age,  "the future" of anything is irrelevant.

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They say the first person who will live to 150 is already living. You 
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On 16-Nov-18 07:30 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

When one gets to be my age,  "the future" of anything is irrelevant.

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When one gets to be my age,  "the future" of anything is irrelevant.

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Re: What do you think about the future of Pentax "flagship" APS-C-camera line?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Bill Hewlett and David Packard planned on creating the paperless office;
instead, they gave us the laser printer.

Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 5:08 AM Jostein  wrote:

>
> Den 15.11.2018 14:39, skrev Bruce Walker:
> > "Paperless office". Pffft. :-)
>
> LOL.
>
>
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Den 15.11.2018 14:39, skrev Bruce Walker:

"Paperless office". Pffft. :-)


LOL.

When a new pharmaceutical product is launched, the company has to apply 
for market authorisation in USA, Canada, EU, Japan and China separately. 
Or used to anyway... Not sure about the current status of cooperation 
between the Asian countries.


The documentation requirements in Europe, Japan, Canada and USA made the 
pharma industry _beg_ the authorities for an electronic alternative to 
paper. I personally saw an application arrive by mail to the Norwegian 
Agency as four metric tons of paper. In addition, Norwegian red tape 
demanded that a separate copy be sent to the National Archive. It was 
like half a freakin' rainforest! And all of it would have fit snugly on 
to a DVD.


A big part of my job at the agency was to implement "paperless office". 
Although we carefully avoided that term. We called it "electronic 
handling". It worked out quite nicely in the mid-2000s, but as part of 
that project I dug into the history of previous attempts and found 
references to consultants from IBM trying to convince the Agency of an 
imminent paperless future in 1991. During lunch one day one of the 
well-seasoned secretaries had got wind of my poking around in what she 
called "the old crap", and described the enthusiasm shown by the 
consultants back in the day. She had been quite dazzled by them, 
especially on the course sessions where the consultants laid out how 
neatly everything would work in digital. She said it  probably was why 
she particularly remembered one elderly pharmacist commenting that the 
paperless toilet would happen long before the paperless office.


It took me a while to find the documentation for that project by the 
way. Eventually it had been archived with the label "X-files".


So I guess "the truth is out there" still. :-D

Jostein


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[Jostein]

The PDML is not a mess of cormorants. It's more like a collegium of 
cormorantii.


Jostein

Den 15.11.2018 08:38, skrev Bob W-PDML:

On a point of grammar, the collective noun for cormorants is not 'flock' - we 
say 'a mess of cormorants', and 'a shag-bag'.




On 15 Nov 2018, at 02:24, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:


I knew a dance called "shag" (aka Collegiate Shag, which is different from 
Carolina Shag). I also knew the slang meaning used chiefly by Brits.
But I just have learnt what species of birds this word applies to (especially 
for people from NZ). That way it became so relevant to PDML!

But how can you make a quick profit on cormorants (especially using the 
camera)?! That is impossible!
However, the PDML flock can be so flippant! ;)




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[mike wilson]

Not to be insulting to anyone but I do find myself being in the position of not 
giving a Phalacrocorax.

> On 16 November 2018 at 02:27 Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lads, I suspect you might be talking about two different shags.
> As I've written in my earlier response:
> 
> >> I knew a dance called "shag" (aka Collegiate Shag, which is different 
> >> from Carolina Shag).
> 
> Based on the location, background and the music mentioned, I suspect Larry 
> is talking about the former (which is a bit more upbeat and somewhere 
> between popular in Europe Boogie-Woogie and Charleston of 30's-40's and is 
> usually  danced to fast swing jazz music), while John is talking about the 
> latter, which is closer to West Coast Swing (looks very much like a fast 
> West Coast) and is danced to more pop/rock-n-roll/... -sounding music.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collegiate_shag
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTnxCBfOcNU
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_shag
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l5pczCZw04
> 
> BTW, there is also St.Louis Shag that I had not seen before, which is
> the closest of all shags to Charleston:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JHQSCt1Zbk
> If I didn't know about it being St.Louis Shag, I would've called it
> Charleston.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
>   John Thu, 15 Nov 2018 13:29:09 -0800 wrote:
> 
> On 11/15/2018 12:44, l...@red4est.com wrote:
> 
> > Nope, those aren't shaggable either. Actually, for me nothing is. I 
> > might be able to fake balboa, but I'd need at least a few minutes to 
> > learn to shag.
> 
> 
> Wander into any bar in Myrtle Beach, SC & there's someone there who can 
> teach you. I learned in just a few minutes as a teenager, so anyone should 
> be able to learn the Shag.

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[Igor PDML-StR]

Lads, I suspect you might be talking about two different shags.
As I've written in my earlier response:

I knew a dance called "shag" (aka Collegiate Shag, which is different 
from Carolina Shag).


Based on the location, background and the music mentioned, I suspect Larry 
is talking about the former (which is a bit more upbeat and somewhere 
between popular in Europe Boogie-Woogie and Charleston of 30's-40's and is 
usually  danced to fast swing jazz music), while John is talking about the 
latter, which is closer to West Coast Swing (looks very much like a fast 
West Coast) and is danced to more pop/rock-n-roll/... -sounding music.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collegiate_shag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTnxCBfOcNU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_shag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l5pczCZw04

BTW, there is also St.Louis Shag that I had not seen before, which is
the closest of all shags to Charleston:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JHQSCt1Zbk
If I didn't know about it being St.Louis Shag, I would've called it
Charleston.


Cheers,

Igor


 John Thu, 15 Nov 2018 13:29:09 -0800 wrote:

On 11/15/2018 12:44, l...@red4est.com wrote:

Nope, those aren't shaggable either. Actually, for me nothing is. I 
might be able to fake balboa, but I'd need at least a few minutes to 
learn to shag.



Wander into any bar in Myrtle Beach, SC & there's someone there who can 
teach you. I learned in just a few minutes as a teenager, so anyone should 
be able to learn the Shag.




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[Bruce Walker]

They probably just haven't figured out how to avoid blown-out
reflections in the glass! :-)

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:26 PM  wrote:
>
> The e-passport system works most of the time, but it's not infallible, as my
> wife found out in Europe this year.  It's also a bit of a nuisance to have
> to take off your glasses, cap/hat, etc. when using it.  Why authorities
> insist on having passport photos without glasses for people who wear them
> all the time is beyond me.
>
>
> John in Brisbane
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
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> >
> > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 11:49:48AM -0500, John wrote:
> > > On 11/15/2018 04:42, Rick Womer wrote:
> > > > IIRC, in an interview at one of the big shows last spring, a Pentax
> honcho
> > > > said that a K-3ii successor was their first development priority.
> > > >
> > > > It???s also true, though, that Ricoh (and all the other office
> equipment
> > > > companies) are having a terrible time as the world abandons paper
> > > > documents.
> > > >
> > > > Rick
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ironic in light of the increasing demand for physical photo-IDs.
> >
> > I think that rather depends on where you are.
> >
> > I recently had to renew my (British) passport.  Not only was I able to
> submit
> > my photograph as a digital image - the passport itself also contains an
> > encoded
> > form of the image, readable electronically.  And apparently at some UK
> > airports
> > I could just walk up with the passport in hand, place it on the desk, and
> look
> > into a camera.  My digital image from the camera would be checked against
> > the
> > biometric data encoded in the pasport, and if everything checked out I
> would
> > be able to proceed through the gate.  I'm sure there would be somebody
> > present
> > to supervise things, but the whole verification process would be done
> > digitally.
> >
> >
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The e-passport system works most of the time, but it's not infallible, as my
wife found out in Europe this year.  It's also a bit of a nuisance to have
to take off your glasses, cap/hat, etc. when using it.  Why authorities
insist on having passport photos without glasses for people who wear them
all the time is beyond me.


John in Brisbane



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> Subject: Re: What do you think about the future of Pentax "flagship"
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> 
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 11:49:48AM -0500, John wrote:
> > On 11/15/2018 04:42, Rick Womer wrote:
> > > IIRC, in an interview at one of the big shows last spring, a Pentax
honcho
> > > said that a K-3ii successor was their first development priority.
> > >
> > > It???s also true, though, that Ricoh (and all the other office
equipment
> > > companies) are having a terrible time as the world abandons paper
> > > documents.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> >
> > Ironic in light of the increasing demand for physical photo-IDs.
> 
> I think that rather depends on where you are.
> 
> I recently had to renew my (British) passport.  Not only was I able to
submit
> my photograph as a digital image - the passport itself also contains an
> encoded
> form of the image, readable electronically.  And apparently at some UK
> airports
> I could just walk up with the passport in hand, place it on the desk, and
look
> into a camera.  My digital image from the camera would be checked against
> the
> biometric data encoded in the pasport, and if everything checked out I
would
> be able to proceed through the gate.  I'm sure there would be somebody
> present
> to supervise things, but the whole verification process would be done
> digitally.
> 
> 
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[jcoyle]

I had a client for whom I wrote a training section management program, part of 
the output of which was joining instructions for the trainees.  Whenever there 
was an error or issue with the detail, the whole lot would be reprinted and the 
waste thrown in a bin, which I collected from time to time.. Now, twenty years 
later, I'm still using the printed-on-one-side only waste for internal test 
reports!


John in Brisbane



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> From: PDML  On Behalf Of Igor PDML-StR
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> To: PDML@pdml.net
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> 
> 
> 
> In my experience, consumer computing technologies gave boost to
> higher paper consumption, including very frequently senseless paper waste.
> In the era of typewriters, for a few errors, people would use a
> white-out, and only occasionally would reprint the entire page. With
> computers, people thoughtlessly reprint the entire 10-20 page-long
> because of a minor typo on page 19. ... and then once more, and
> then again.
> 
> 
> But often, the higher paper consumption does help productivity.
> Guilty as charged: while preparing grant proposals or publications, or
> reviewing those of others, - most of the time I do that on paper.
> It's just much easier to see things, and you can have many pages in view
> (if you have a large table or couch).
> 
> So, I was very surprised to hear about the paper being the reason
> for the office-product companies' financial problems.
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
>   Bruce Walker Thu, 15 Nov 2018 05:40:48 -0800 wrote:
> 
> When I began my career in 1978 I worked for one of the then Big Three
> word processor companies (AES Data, Canada's answer to Wang and IBM)
> and the phrase "paperless office" was widely heard. Paper would soon
> be obsolete.
> 
> 
> When I wrapped up my full time career in 2010 I worked in the Toronto
> office of a San Francisco wireless firm (Soma Networking) and was
> located not far from a big honking multi copier/printer (possibly a
> Ricoh) that churned out documents all the time. This despite that all
> meetings featured a table full of laptops and tablets.
> 
> "Paperless office". Pffft. :-)
> 
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 4:43 AM Rick Womer  wrote:
> >
> > It’s also true, though, that Ricoh (and all the other office equipment
> > companies) are having a terrible time as the world abandons paper
> > documents.
> >
> > Rick
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[John Francis]

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:42:57AM +0100, Rick Womer wrote:
> IIRC, in an interview at one of the big shows last spring, a Pentax honcho
> said that a K-3ii successor was their first development priority.

I'm still hoping that this product will eventually materialise.

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[John Francis]

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 11:49:48AM -0500, John wrote:
> On 11/15/2018 04:42, Rick Womer wrote:
> > IIRC, in an interview at one of the big shows last spring, a Pentax honcho
> > said that a K-3ii successor was their first development priority.
> > 
> > It???s also true, though, that Ricoh (and all the other office equipment
> > companies) are having a terrible time as the world abandons paper
> > documents.
> > 
> > Rick
> > 
> 
> Ironic in light of the increasing demand for physical photo-IDs.

I think that rather depends on where you are.

I recently had to renew my (British) passport.  Not only was I able to submit
my photograph as a digital image - the passport itself also contains an encoded
form of the image, readable electronically.  And apparently at some UK airports
I could just walk up with the passport in hand, place it on the desk, and look
into a camera.  My digital image from the camera would be checked against the
biometric data encoded in the pasport, and if everything checked out I would
be able to proceed through the gate.  I'm sure there would be somebody present
to supervise things, but the whole verification process would be done digitally.



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[Steve Cottrell]

On 15/11/18, John, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Cotty & Bob - you can just go ahead and get your minds out of the gutter
>right now.

A lot lower than the gutter John ;-) 

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[John]

On 11/15/2018 12:44, l...@red4est.com wrote:




Nope, those aren't shaggable either. Actually, for me nothing is. I might be
able to fake balboa, but I'd need at least a few minutes to learn to shag.


Wander into any bar in Myrtle Beach, SC & there's someone there who can teach 
you. I learned in just a few minutes as a teenager, so anyone should be able to 
learn the Shag.


Cotty & Bob - you can just go ahead and get your minds out of the gutter right 
now.

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[lrc]

On November 15, 2018 9:26:53 AM PST, John  wrote:
>On 11/15/2018 08:06, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>> 
>> :-)
>> 
>> "Dance this mess around!"   ;-)
>> https://youtu.be/VN8hV4AyNss?t=7
>> 
>
>Except you can't dance "the shag" to that. You're going to need another
>Atlanta 
>band:
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9GyJ9dhMgY
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tams
>
>OR maybe ...
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwlqi4qtLIs

Nope, those aren't shaggable either. Actually, for me nothing is. I might be 
able to fake balboa, but I'd need at least a few minutes to learn to shag.
>
>(... and now you've got me started, I won't be able to get a single
>thing done 
>for the rest of the day; might as well take rest of the day off and go
>to the 
>beach.)

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[John]

On 11/15/2018 08:06, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


:-)

"Dance this mess around!"   ;-)
https://youtu.be/VN8hV4AyNss?t=7



Except you can't dance "the shag" to that. You're going to need another Atlanta 
band:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9GyJ9dhMgY

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tams

OR maybe ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwlqi4qtLIs

(... and now you've got me started, I won't be able to get a single thing done 
for the rest of the day; might as well take rest of the day off and go to the 
beach.)



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[John]

On 11/15/2018 08:39, Bruce Walker wrote:

When I began my career in 1978 I worked for one of the then Big Three
word processor companies (AES Data, Canada's answer to Wang and IBM)
and the phrase "paperless office" was widely heard. Paper would soon
be obsolete.

When I wrapped up my full time career in 2010 I worked in the Toronto
office of a San Francisco wireless firm (Soma Networking) and was
located not far from a big honking multi copier/printer (possibly a
Ricoh) that churned out documents all the time. This despite that all
meetings featured a table full of laptops and tablets.

"Paperless office". Pffft. :-)



At least once a week I get something in the mail from someone wanting me to 
switch to "paperless" record keeping. They can forget it.


If I need to get rid of the paper I have a good shredder. Until it's time to 
shred them, I've got records of my transactions.


PS: I can make pulp from the shredded bills & form them into bricks or logs that 
after drying burn quite nicely in my woodstove.




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[John]

On 11/15/2018 04:42, Rick Womer wrote:

IIRC, in an interview at one of the big shows last spring, a Pentax honcho
said that a K-3ii successor was their first development priority.

It’s also true, though, that Ricoh (and all the other office equipment
companies) are having a terrible time as the world abandons paper
documents.

Rick



Ironic in light of the increasing demand for physical photo-IDs.

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[Igor PDML-StR]

In my experience, consumer computing technologies gave boost to 
higher paper consumption, including very frequently senseless paper waste.
In the era of typewriters, for a few errors, people would use a 
white-out, and only occasionally would reprint the entire page. With 
computers, people thoughtlessly reprint the entire 10-20 page-long 
because of a minor typo on page 19. ... and then once more, and 
then again.



But often, the higher paper consumption does help productivity.
Guilty as charged: while preparing grant proposals or publications, or 
reviewing those of others, - most of the time I do that on paper.
It's just much easier to see things, and you can have many pages in view 
(if you have a large table or couch).


So, I was very surprised to hear about the paper being the reason
for the office-product companies' financial problems.

Igor


 Bruce Walker Thu, 15 Nov 2018 05:40:48 -0800 wrote:

When I began my career in 1978 I worked for one of the then Big Three
word processor companies (AES Data, Canada's answer to Wang and IBM)
and the phrase "paperless office" was widely heard. Paper would soon
be obsolete.


When I wrapped up my full time career in 2010 I worked in the Toronto
office of a San Francisco wireless firm (Soma Networking) and was
located not far from a big honking multi copier/printer (possibly a
Ricoh) that churned out documents all the time. This despite that all
meetings featured a table full of laptops and tablets.

"Paperless office". Pffft. :-)

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 4:43 AM Rick Womer  wrote:


It’s also true, though, that Ricoh (and all the other office equipment
companies) are having a terrible time as the world abandons paper
documents.

Rick


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[Bruce Walker]

When I began my career in 1978 I worked for one of the then Big Three
word processor companies (AES Data, Canada's answer to Wang and IBM)
and the phrase "paperless office" was widely heard. Paper would soon
be obsolete.

When I wrapped up my full time career in 2010 I worked in the Toronto
office of a San Francisco wireless firm (Soma Networking) and was
located not far from a big honking multi copier/printer (possibly a
Ricoh) that churned out documents all the time. This despite that all
meetings featured a table full of laptops and tablets.

"Paperless office". Pffft. :-)

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 4:43 AM Rick Womer  wrote:
>
> It’s also true, though, that Ricoh (and all the other office equipment
> companies) are having a terrible time as the world abandons paper
> documents.
>
> Rick

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[Igor PDML-StR]

:-)

"Dance this mess around!"   ;-)
https://youtu.be/VN8hV4AyNss?t=7



 Bob W-PDML Wed, 14 Nov 2018 23:39:17 -0800 wrote:

On a point of grammar, the collective noun for cormorants is not 'flock' - 
we say 'a mess of cormorants', and 'a shag-bag'.



On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



I knew a dance called "shag" (aka Collegiate Shag, which is different from 
Carolina Shag). I also knew the slang meaning used chiefly by Brits.
But I just have learnt what species of birds this word applies to (especially 
for people from NZ). That way it became so relevant to PDML!


But how can you make a quick profit on cormorants (especially using the 
camera)?! That is impossible!

However, the PDML flock can be so flippant! ;)


Cheers,

Igor


Jostein Wed, 14 Nov 2018 14:18:02 -0800 wrote:

What PDML needs is a shagflip camera.

Jostein




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[Rick Womer]

IIRC, in an interview at one of the big shows last spring, a Pentax honcho
said that a K-3ii successor was their first development priority.

It’s also true, though, that Ricoh (and all the other office equipment
companies) are having a terrible time as the world abandons paper
documents.

Rick

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 08:39 Bob W-PDML  wrote:

> On a point of grammar, the collective noun for cormorants is not 'flock' -
> we say 'a mess of cormorants', and 'a shag-bag'.
>
>
>
> > On 15 Nov 2018, at 02:24, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> >
> >
> > I knew a dance called "shag" (aka Collegiate Shag, which is different
> from Carolina Shag). I also knew the slang meaning used chiefly by Brits.
> > But I just have learnt what species of birds this word applies to
> (especially for people from NZ). That way it became so relevant to PDML!
> >
> > But how can you make a quick profit on cormorants (especially using the
> camera)?! That is impossible!
> > However, the PDML flock can be so flippant! ;)
> >
> >
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[Bob W-PDML]

On a point of grammar, the collective noun for cormorants is not 'flock' - we 
say 'a mess of cormorants', and 'a shag-bag'.



> On 15 Nov 2018, at 02:24, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 
> I knew a dance called "shag" (aka Collegiate Shag, which is different from 
> Carolina Shag). I also knew the slang meaning used chiefly by Brits.
> But I just have learnt what species of birds this word applies to (especially 
> for people from NZ). That way it became so relevant to PDML!
> 
> But how can you make a quick profit on cormorants (especially using the 
> camera)?! That is impossible!
> However, the PDML flock can be so flippant! ;)
> 
> 

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[Subash Jeyan]

some of us were hoping for an incremental upgrade to a 'flagship' which
had the sensor of the kp and the form factor of the k3-ii. it was not to
be and i finally went for the k3-ii.

On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 14:02:59 -0500 (EST)
Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
 
> Hi All,
> 
> While considering various options of replacing my failed camera, I've 
> considered of what would be the next steps of Pentax with respect to
> the new models.
> 
> Asahi Man (a reputable Pentax-insider information leaker on dpreview) 
> indicated that Pentax has a big focus on FF cameras and lenses in the 
> upcoming year (which is apparently a big 100 anniversary year for 
> Pentax, or, more exactly, Asahi Kogaku Goshi Kaisha).
> In his recent posts, I haven't seen any mentioning of the APS-C line.
> The last flagship APS-C camera (K-3ii) was released 3.5 years ago
> (Apr. 2015), about 1.5 years after K-3 (October 2013).
> I might be wrong, but it seems to me (and it looks like some other
> people, including at least some PDMLers were of the same opinion) that
> KP, announced in January 2017 (more than 1.5 years ago) was
> positioned a bit below K-3, even though it is clearly above the
> "second-tier" (K-50, K-70) product line, and its release is in the
> time line corresponding to the flagship line. (Actually, my memory is
> a bit vague about the parameters that made KP inferior to K-3.)
> 
> (You can see the summary of DSLR production years e.g. here:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentax_cameras#K_Series_(Digital)  )
> 
> This suggests that Pentax probably somewhat lowered their top APS-C
> line in favor of the FF line, and the next APS-C body when and IF it
> comes out (which I'd expected to happen before the holiday season,
> but it didn't happen, - so, maybe in spring of 2019), - it might not
> have all the desired features that K-3/K-3ii had.
> 
> The impression I've got is that APS-C cameras might no longer be a 
> priority for Pentax R, and Pentax will just continue some
> incremental releases in this area.
> 
> I realize that its a pure speculation at this point, but I was
> curious about the thoughts of other PDMLers on this issue.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Igor
> 


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[Igor PDML-StR]

I knew a dance called "shag" (aka Collegiate Shag, which is different from 
Carolina Shag). I also knew the slang meaning used chiefly by Brits.
But I just have learnt what species of birds this word applies to 
(especially for people from NZ). That way it became so relevant to PDML!


But how can you make a quick profit on cormorants (especially using the 
camera)?! That is impossible!

However, the PDML flock can be so flippant! ;)


Cheers,

Igor


 Jostein Wed, 14 Nov 2018 14:18:02 -0800 wrote:

What PDML needs is a shagflip camera.

Jostein


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[Jostein]

What PDML needs is a shagflip camera.

Jostein

Den 14.11.2018 20:02, skrev Igor PDML-StR:


Hi All,

While considering various options of replacing my failed camera, I've 
considered of what would be the next steps of Pentax with respect to 
the new models.


Asahi Man (a reputable Pentax-insider information leaker on dpreview) 
indicated that Pentax has a big focus on FF cameras and lenses in the 
upcoming year (which is apparently a big 100 anniversary year for 
Pentax, or, more exactly, Asahi Kogaku Goshi Kaisha).

In his recent posts, I haven't seen any mentioning of the APS-C line.
The last flagship APS-C camera (K-3ii) was released 3.5 years ago 
(Apr. 2015), about 1.5 years after K-3 (October 2013).
I might be wrong, but it seems to me (and it looks like some other 
people, including at least some PDMLers were of the same opinion) that
KP, announced in January 2017 (more than 1.5 years ago) was positioned 
a bit below K-3, even though it is clearly above the "second-tier" 
(K-50, K-70) product line, and its release is in the time line 
corresponding to the flagship line. (Actually, my memory is a bit 
vague about the parameters that made KP inferior to K-3.)


(You can see the summary of DSLR production years e.g. here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentax_cameras#K_Series_(Digital)  )

This suggests that Pentax probably somewhat lowered their top APS-C 
line in favor of the FF line, and the next APS-C body when and IF it 
comes out (which I'd expected to happen before the holiday season, but 
it didn't happen, - so, maybe in spring of 2019), - it might not have 
all the desired features that K-3/K-3ii had.


The impression I've got is that APS-C cameras might no longer be a 
priority for Pentax R, and Pentax will just continue some 
incremental releases in this area.


I realize that its a pure speculation at this point, but I was curious 
about the thoughts of other PDMLers on this issue.


Cheers,

Igor



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Re: What do you think about the future of Pentax "flagship" APS-C-camera line?

[P. J. Alling]

I would agree except, they can't really afford to give up any ground.  
Pentax is known, as far as it is known, for having one of the best, if 
not the best line of dedicated APS-C lenses, many like the limited line, 
of extremely high build quality.


The K-1 is needlessly large compared to the K-3/5/P cameras, if you want 
a relatively light compact DSLR, and you've got a bunch of DA limited 
primes, telling people they live with a K-1 ff camera in crop mode at 
15mp, and selling for 1 1/2 to 2 times the price of a 24mp, APS-C body 
will drive prospective users to someone who makes what they want.


Ricoh's APS-C flagship doesn't have to have any thing near the 
specifications of say a Nikon D500, but Pentax has to have at least be a 
serious, contender to the N7xxx.


There are enough rumors of Pentax' eminent demise, not having a viable 
APS-C flagship, with at least some actual improvements over the K-3II 
will not help.  There needs to be a Pentax APS-C flagship just to remain 
viable in the minds of the buying public. (Let's not get started on 
advertising and distribution, that's another story).



On 11/14/2018 3:12 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:

The k-1 works just fine as an aps camera. With their limited resources it would 
make sense to only have one flagship.

On November 14, 2018 11:02:59 AM PST, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:

Hi All,

While considering various options of replacing my failed camera, I've
considered of what would be the next steps of Pentax with respect to
the
new models.

Asahi Man (a reputable Pentax-insider information leaker on dpreview)
indicated that Pentax has a big focus on FF cameras and lenses in the
upcoming year (which is apparently a big 100 anniversary year for
Pentax, or, more exactly, Asahi Kogaku Goshi Kaisha).
In his recent posts, I haven't seen any mentioning of the APS-C line.
The last flagship APS-C camera (K-3ii) was released 3.5 years ago (Apr.

2015), about 1.5 years after K-3 (October 2013).
I might be wrong, but it seems to me (and it looks like some other
people,
including at least some PDMLers were of the same opinion) that
KP, announced in January 2017 (more than 1.5 years ago) was positioned
a
bit below K-3, even though it is clearly above the "second-tier" (K-50,

K-70) product line, and its release is in the time line corresponding
to the
flagship line. (Actually, my memory is a bit vague about the
parameters that made KP inferior to K-3.)

(You can see the summary of DSLR production years e.g. here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentax_cameras#K_Series_(Digital)  )

This suggests that Pentax probably somewhat lowered their top APS-C
line
in favor of the FF line, and the next APS-C body when and IF it comes
out
(which I'd expected to happen before the holiday season, but it didn't
happen, - so, maybe in spring of 2019), - it might not have all the
desired features that K-3/K-3ii had.

The impression I've got is that APS-C cameras might no longer be a
priority for Pentax R, and Pentax will just continue some incremental

releases in this area.

I realize that its a pure speculation at this point, but I was curious
about the thoughts of other PDMLers on this issue.

Cheers,

Igor

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Re: What do you think about the future of Pentax "flagship" APS-C-camera line?

[lrc]

The k-1 works just fine as an aps camera. With their limited resources it would 
make sense to only have one flagship.

On November 14, 2018 11:02:59 AM PST, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>
>Hi All,
>
>While considering various options of replacing my failed camera, I've 
>considered of what would be the next steps of Pentax with respect to
>the 
>new models.
>
>Asahi Man (a reputable Pentax-insider information leaker on dpreview) 
>indicated that Pentax has a big focus on FF cameras and lenses in the 
>upcoming year (which is apparently a big 100 anniversary year for 
>Pentax, or, more exactly, Asahi Kogaku Goshi Kaisha).
>In his recent posts, I haven't seen any mentioning of the APS-C line.
>The last flagship APS-C camera (K-3ii) was released 3.5 years ago (Apr.
>
>2015), about 1.5 years after K-3 (October 2013).
>I might be wrong, but it seems to me (and it looks like some other
>people, 
>including at least some PDMLers were of the same opinion) that
>KP, announced in January 2017 (more than 1.5 years ago) was positioned
>a 
>bit below K-3, even though it is clearly above the "second-tier" (K-50,
>
>K-70) product line, and its release is in the time line corresponding
>to the 
>flagship line. (Actually, my memory is a bit vague about the 
>parameters that made KP inferior to K-3.)
>
>(You can see the summary of DSLR production years e.g. here:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentax_cameras#K_Series_(Digital)  )
>
>This suggests that Pentax probably somewhat lowered their top APS-C
>line 
>in favor of the FF line, and the next APS-C body when and IF it comes
>out 
>(which I'd expected to happen before the holiday season, but it didn't 
>happen, - so, maybe in spring of 2019), - it might not have all the 
>desired features that K-3/K-3ii had.
>
>The impression I've got is that APS-C cameras might no longer be a 
>priority for Pentax R, and Pentax will just continue some incremental
>
>releases in this area.
>
>I realize that its a pure speculation at this point, but I was curious 
>about the thoughts of other PDMLers on this issue.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Igor
>
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