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John Sessoms said: I just replaced my cheap Chinese radio-slaves, which come to think were Interfit Branded with Paul C. Buff Cybersync. Didn't go the CyberCommander route yet, but the receivers transmitter I have will work with it if I ever get that far advanced. Yeah, I am going to go with the CyberCommanders I think - they are a bit more exxy which is why I haven't done it yet, but I think to have full control over everything and to be able to add as many strobes as I like will be really handy... They do provide great customer service, and plus, ABs are cool. The ONLY studio set up that I have ever found that actually has a bit of personality to it! Sucks that they changed their website to look more commercial (read: boring!) though, I used to love the old out there Alien inspired one! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Tanya Love Following the advice of the oh-so-wise Thomas Van Veen, I set myself up with Alien Bees when I was in the US for my GFM trip. They were awesome. I then sold off most of my gear when I retired from photography, circa 2007, and have just finished re-enabling myself with a studio set up. I researched the market heavily and was planning on spending the big bucks to make sure that this time I did it correctly. What I ended up doing was going back to Alien Bees! I looked at Elinchrom, I looked at Bowens, I looked at a zillion other brands and the thing that had me back to Alien Bees is the way they are built. They are TOUGH. They are designed to be tough. They also now have an Aussie distributor who happens to only be a few suburbs from me, which is even better! They also come in pink! Hehehe. Oh, and did I mention that they cost wy less than the big name brands? They are also easy to get accessories for - most Soft Boxes etc come with White Lightening or ABs adapters (or can be purchased separately to suit). So, I just set myself up with their Vagabond battery pack (which can be used anywhere in the world!), 2 x 400w ABs in black, and 2 x 800w ABs in pink - the whole lot cost me about aud$2k as compared with about $5-$6k for the equivalent in a Bowens set up. I am now trying to decide if I will go for their Commander system for my radio triggers or Pocket Wizards with the dedicated AB adapter thingy. (I've been using Cactus and they are just that - CACTUS. Absolute SHITE. Don't waste your $$$). The Pocket Wizards have the advantage of being able to transmit directly to my Sekonic light meter, but cost more. ABs also have their new fancy schmancy Einstein heads but they aren't yet available in Australia. Supposedly before Christmas though. Anyways, that's my take, and my plan is that by Christmas I will have my studio set up complete with my new radio triggers, a nice long softbox, possibly a purpose built product table, and of course, my new K-5 to round it all out! Woot! Then, next year, will be the year of the lens for me! I just replaced my cheap Chinese radio-slaves, which come to think were Interfit Branded with Paul C. Buff Cybersync. Didn't go the CyberCommander route yet, but the receivers transmitter I have will work with it if I ever get that far advanced. One thing I found, the cybersync 1/4 mono adapter cable wouldn't work with my older White Lightning 1s, which require a 1/4 stereo wired to tip ring. I contacted Paul C. Buff tech support and as soon as I explained the problem they sent me additional cables wired for the older 1/4 stereo - no charge. I would have willingly paid for those cables, since it is an older tech that is no longer standard. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John - Did you have the original Buff slaves or the newer ones? They weren't happy with the original ones and had a recall and an upgrade offer to go with the newer models. You might check that out with them. The older models were purchased off the shelf from somewhere in the Far East. The newer ones have circuitry designed by the Paul C Buff people and are much more reliable. -p On 10/5/2010 10:32 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Tanya Love Following the advice of the oh-so-wise Thomas Van Veen, I set myself up with Alien Bees when I was in the US for my GFM trip. They were awesome. I then sold off most of my gear when I retired from photography, circa 2007, and have just finished re-enabling myself with a studio set up. I researched the market heavily and was planning on spending the big bucks to make sure that this time I did it correctly. What I ended up doing was going back to Alien Bees! I looked at Elinchrom, I looked at Bowens, I looked at a zillion other brands and the thing that had me back to Alien Bees is the way they are built. They are TOUGH. They are designed to be tough. They also now have an Aussie distributor who happens to only be a few suburbs from me, which is even better! They also come in pink! Hehehe. Oh, and did I mention that they cost wy less than the big name brands? They are also easy to get accessories for - most Soft Boxes etc come with White Lightening or ABs adapters (or can be purchased separately to suit). So, I just set myself up with their Vagabond battery pack (which can be used anywhere in the world!), 2 x 400w ABs in black, and 2 x 800w ABs in pink - the whole lot cost me about aud$2k as compared with about $5-$6k for the equivalent in a Bowens set up. I am now trying to decide if I will go for their Commander system for my radio triggers or Pocket Wizards with the dedicated AB adapter thingy. (I've been using Cactus and they are just that - CACTUS. Absolute SHITE. Don't waste your $$$). The Pocket Wizards have the advantage of being able to transmit directly to my Sekonic light meter, but cost more. ABs also have their new fancy schmancy Einstein heads but they aren't yet available in Australia. Supposedly before Christmas though. Anyways, that's my take, and my plan is that by Christmas I will have my studio set up complete with my new radio triggers, a nice long softbox, possibly a purpose built product table, and of course, my new K-5 to round it all out! Woot! Then, next year, will be the year of the lens for me! I just replaced my cheap Chinese radio-slaves, which come to think were Interfit Branded with Paul C. Buff Cybersync. Didn't go the CyberCommander route yet, but the receivers transmitter I have will work with it if I ever get that far advanced. One thing I found, the cybersync 1/4 mono adapter cable wouldn't work with my older White Lightning 1s, which require a 1/4 stereo wired to tip ring. I contacted Paul C. Buff tech support and as soon as I explained the problem they sent me additional cables wired for the older 1/4 stereo - no charge. I would have willingly paid for those cables, since it is an older tech that is no longer standard. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3178 - Release Date: 10/05/10 01:34:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Paul Sorenson John - Did you have the original Buff slaves or the newer ones? They weren't happy with the original ones and had a recall and an upgrade offer to go with the newer models. You might check that out with them. The older models were purchased off the shelf from somewhere in the Far East. The newer ones have circuitry designed by the Paul C Buff people and are much more reliable. I've had the Cybersyncs for less than a month, so they're probably the newer model. The White Lightnings I have are a much older design about the size of a gallon paint can. http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kxy701fJzt1qz56soo1_500.jpg I understand if you have these older units and they ever become unrepairable, you can trade them in to Paul C. Buff and order new White Lightnings at a substantial discount. But they're built like a tank, so I don't really expect to go that route. They'll probably outlive me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes, those were his first design. I think Larry had one of those go bad and Buff did a repair on it. Not sure what the cost was. I had four of the White Lightning 1200 monolights and really liked them, but they went along with of all my Mamiya MF stuff when my ex sold them before I could get them moved out of the house. Got Alien Bees now and they're great. -p On 10/5/2010 4:22 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Paul Sorenson John - Did you have the original Buff slaves or the newer ones? They weren't happy with the original ones and had a recall and an upgrade offer to go with the newer models. You might check that out with them. The older models were purchased off the shelf from somewhere in the Far East. The newer ones have circuitry designed by the Paul C Buff people and are much more reliable. I've had the Cybersyncs for less than a month, so they're probably the newer model. The White Lightnings I have are a much older design about the size of a gallon paint can. http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kxy701fJzt1qz56soo1_500.jpg I understand if you have these older units and they ever become unrepairable, you can trade them in to Paul C. Buff and order new White Lightnings at a substantial discount. But they're built like a tank, so I don't really expect to go that route. They'll probably outlive me. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3178 - Release Date: 10/05/10 01:34:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bong Manayon On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 2:34 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Re: About Studio Lighting kinds First year students get to work with REALLY OLD Studio Hot Lights, and I mean HOT, HOT, HOT - gloves hot pads mandatory. The stuff you see in old Hollywood movie stills. Although, they do get introduced to some Speedotrons, Photogenics Alien Bees during Summer Semester just before second year begins. We also used Vivitar 285s dedicated speed lights (if you could afford them). Second year students can also use hot lights if they want to, as long as they don't deprive the first year students. Yup, this is what we do in school too, but not necessarily to punish the freshmen but to help them visualize their photos. Which is ultimately the advantage of continuous lighting; pure strobes (i.e., flash) does not give you that unless it has a modeling light--which the Falconeyes provide (which I have experience with). The thing I'm learning however, is the modeling lights cannot be relied upon to set lighting ratios. They show you *WHERE* the light will fall, but even the ones with variable power modeling lights are not proportional to the power of the strobe. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Boris Liberman On 10/3/2010 4:11 PM, William Robb wrote: I'm going to respectfully disagree. Most every studio photographer I know, whether they are pro or interested amateur has gone through a similar equipment list, starting with hot lights in reflectors, moving to shoe mount flashes that have been Rube Goldberged into working, and from there to some sort of studio flash system. I figure buy what you are going to end up with anyway right off the get go and learn how to use it. William Robb I see your point, Bill. That's one way to put it - buy whatever is the ultimate kit 'cause you will want ultimate anyway. I wonder if in the world of studio flash systems there are smaller/less feature rich/less expensive/more bang for the back models... There ought to be such options for the beginner/on a budget shooter... This is only MY PERSONAL OPINION, so make of it what you will ... If you're looking for bang for the buck, check out White Lightnings or Alien Bees. I'm not sure if they sell White Lightnings in Europe, but I'm pretty sure they do sell the Alien Bees there. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 4, 2010, at 11:45 AM, John Sessoms wrote: If you're looking for bang for the buck, check out White Lightnings or Alien Bees. I'm not sure if they sell White Lightnings in Europe, but I'm pretty sure they do sell the Alien Bees there. I will vouch for the exceptional service at Paul C Buff. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Following the advice of the oh-so-wise Thomas Van Veen, I set myself up with Alien Bees when I was in the US for my GFM trip. They were awesome. I then sold off most of my gear when I retired from photography, circa 2007, and have just finished re-enabling myself with a studio set up. I researched the market heavily and was planning on spending the big bucks to make sure that this time I did it correctly. What I ended up doing was going back to Alien Bees! I looked at Elinchrom, I looked at Bowens, I looked at a zillion other brands and the thing that had me back to Alien Bees is the way they are built. They are TOUGH. They are designed to be tough. They also now have an Aussie distributor who happens to only be a few suburbs from me, which is even better! They also come in pink! Hehehe. Oh, and did I mention that they cost wy less than the big name brands? They are also easy to get accessories for - most Soft Boxes etc come with White Lightening or ABs adapters (or can be purchased separately to suit). So, I just set myself up with their Vagabond battery pack (which can be used anywhere in the world!), 2 x 400w ABs in black, and 2 x 800w ABs in pink - the whole lot cost me about aud$2k as compared with about $5-$6k for the equivalent in a Bowens set up. I am now trying to decide if I will go for their Commander system for my radio triggers or Pocket Wizards with the dedicated AB adapter thingy. (I've been using Cactus and they are just that - CACTUS. Absolute SHITE. Don't waste your $$$). The Pocket Wizards have the advantage of being able to transmit directly to my Sekonic light meter, but cost more. ABs also have their new fancy schmancy Einstein heads but they aren't yet available in Australia. Supposedly before Christmas though. Anyways, that's my take, and my plan is that by Christmas I will have my studio set up complete with my new radio triggers, a nice long softbox, possibly a purpose built product table, and of course, my new K-5 to round it all out! Woot! Then, next year, will be the year of the lens for me! Tanya Love Photographer www.lovebytes.com.au m: 0458 006 740 -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2010 4:53 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: About Studio Lighting kinds On Oct 4, 2010, at 11:45 AM, John Sessoms wrote: If you're looking for bang for the buck, check out White Lightnings or Alien Bees. I'm not sure if they sell White Lightnings in Europe, but I'm pretty sure they do sell the Alien Bees there. I will vouch for the exceptional service at Paul C Buff. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Without knowing zilch about studio lighting I can only suggest that you compare the price of replacement bulbs and the longevity of them for both outfits. Given that you're starting on this route, you may want to start with something that is cheaper to maintain in order to get you through the learning curve. Afterwards you can reconsider. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: About Studio Lighting kinds Without knowing zilch about studio lighting I can only suggest that you compare the price of replacement bulbs and the longevity of them for both outfits. Given that you're starting on this route, you may want to start with something that is cheaper to maintain in order to get you through the learning curve. Afterwards you can reconsider. I'm going to respectfully disagree. Most every studio photographer I know, whether they are pro or interested amateur has gone through a similar equipment list, starting with hot lights in reflectors, moving to shoe mount flashes that have been Rube Goldberged into working, and from there to some sort of studio flash system. I figure buy what you are going to end up with anyway right off the get go and learn how to use it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 3, 2010, at 10:11 AM, William Robb wrote: -- From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: About Studio Lighting kinds Without knowing zilch about studio lighting I can only suggest that you compare the price of replacement bulbs and the longevity of them for both outfits. Given that you're starting on this route, you may want to start with something that is cheaper to maintain in order to get you through the learning curve. Afterwards you can reconsider. I'm going to respectfully disagree. Most every studio photographer I know, whether they are pro or interested amateur has gone through a similar equipment list, starting with hot lights in reflectors, moving to shoe mount flashes that have been Rube Goldberged into working, and from there to some sort of studio flash system. I figure buy what you are going to end up with anyway right off the get go and learn how to use it. I agree. With hot lights you'll only learn that you should have purchased a studio flash system. And since the technique differs, some of the skills learned with hot lights don't transfer. Paul William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 2:34 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Re: About Studio Lighting kinds First year students get to work with REALLY OLD Studio Hot Lights, and I mean HOT, HOT, HOT - gloves hot pads mandatory. The stuff you see in old Hollywood movie stills. Although, they do get introduced to some Speedotrons, Photogenics Alien Bees during Summer Semester just before second year begins. We also used Vivitar 285s dedicated speed lights (if you could afford them). Second year students can also use hot lights if they want to, as long as they don't deprive the first year students. Yup, this is what we do in school too, but not necessarily to punish the freshmen but to help them visualize their photos. Which is ultimately the advantage of continuous lighting; pure strobes (i.e., flash) does not give you that unless it has a modeling light--which the Falconeyes provide (which I have experience with). -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bong, since you have experience with FalconEyes, what do you think about them ? The units considered are 2x TE300 model units. Good enough fo a couple years or not worth considering? Interfit etc. are nice but price is... well out of my range.! Thank you. 2010/10/3 Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com: On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 2:34 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Re: About Studio Lighting kinds First year students get to work with REALLY OLD Studio Hot Lights, and I mean HOT, HOT, HOT - gloves hot pads mandatory. The stuff you see in old Hollywood movie stills. Although, they do get introduced to some Speedotrons, Photogenics Alien Bees during Summer Semester just before second year begins. We also used Vivitar 285s dedicated speed lights (if you could afford them). Second year students can also use hot lights if they want to, as long as they don't deprive the first year students. Yup, this is what we do in school too, but not necessarily to punish the freshmen but to help them visualize their photos. Which is ultimately the advantage of continuous lighting; pure strobes (i.e., flash) does not give you that unless it has a modeling light--which the Falconeyes provide (which I have experience with). -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/3/2010 4:11 PM, William Robb wrote: I'm going to respectfully disagree. Most every studio photographer I know, whether they are pro or interested amateur has gone through a similar equipment list, starting with hot lights in reflectors, moving to shoe mount flashes that have been Rube Goldberged into working, and from there to some sort of studio flash system. I figure buy what you are going to end up with anyway right off the get go and learn how to use it. William Robb I see your point, Bill. That's one way to put it - buy whatever is the ultimate kit 'cause you will want ultimate anyway. I wonder if in the world of studio flash systems there are smaller/less feature rich/less expensive/more bang for the back models... There ought to be such options for the beginner/on a budget shooter... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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One thing nobody has mentioned - if you want to shoot video with your camera and you only have strobes, you're stuffed. Having said that, those interfit lights are crap - don't waste your money. If stills is what you shoot, then flash is what you need as everyone else has pointed out. That said, a lot of people seem to think that incandescent lamps are the arch enemy of the studio, creating heat and misery. I have to say this is far from the truth. If you do need continuous lighting - as I do constantly - then select very carefully the type of light and the manufacturer. Simple bulb holders surrounded by a tin dish affair off little control and create maximum heat - just what you don't want. All my lights are Arri and good quality and excellent control. I have 2 open-faced 800w redheads, a 650w fresnel: http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/public/view_item_cat.php? catalogue_number=L3.79400.B and a couple of smaller pups (or 'kickers')- small 300w open-faced. They all have barn doors attached for maximum control, they all spot of flood, the fresnel lamp especially good for this. I have coloured gels and diffusers that attach to the doors with simple bulldog clips, including 4400k (half-blue) and 5600k (full blue) gels to bring the 3200k neat light up to daylight. They're all used in conjunction with RCDs and still going strong after ten years use, at least 3 times a week. Sure you pay for it, but if you use lighting to make a living, it must be reliable - otherwise you waste money in the long run. I would imagine the same is true with flash. There's a lot of old wives tales about tungsten lighting - don't let people put you off, but don't buy interfit for god's sake! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: I have 2 open-faced 800w redheads Lucky bastard. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/10/10, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: they all spot of flood spot *or* flood -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have 2 open-faced 800w redheads Lucky bastard. it's his fresnel they go for -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Interesting Cotty. I won't shoot Video, at least I do not intend to. Now in 3 years when my photo courses will be over, I may begin 3 years Video courses but that is another story altogether :) Got the message about Interfit. Is it supposed to be any good at all ?? (by 'supposed' I mean, sometimes things are known to be best thing since sliced bread but really they are not) Or is Interfit really a piece of crap ? -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/10/10, Thibouille, discombobulated, unleashed: Got the message about Interfit. Is it supposed to be any good at all ?? (by 'supposed' I mean, sometimes things are known to be best thing since sliced bread but really they are not) Or is Interfit really a piece of crap ? Actually I'm being bit cavalier - Interfit as a brand is fine as long as you understand that it is a budget range. If I had to buy a light to once or twice a year, Interfit would be a good choice. If I had to buy a light to use once or twice a day, Interfit would be a bad choice (IMO!) although there are probably plenty of Interfit lighting users out there who are quite happy with their lot. That's because they haven't used anything better! I think it's the design I'm slating more than the brand - with continuous lighting, it's all about design and control. If you put a large metal dish in front of a bulb, guess what - it's going to radiate heat, lots of it. If you design a way to control the light but take the heat elsewhere rather than beam it at the subject, then that's got to be a Good Thing (tm). HTH bon chance! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have 2 open-faced 800w redheads Lucky bastard. it's his fresnel they go for It hits the spot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/3/2010 6:35 PM, Cotty wrote: I have 2 open-faced 800w redheads Lucky bastard. it's his fresnel they go for It hits the spot. You obviously mean heats not hits, right, Cotty??? :-) Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/10/10, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: If I had to buy a light to once or twice a year, Interfit would be a good choice. If I had to buy a light to *use* once or twice a year, Interfit would be a good choice. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: Bong, since you have experience with FalconEyes, what do you think about them ? The units considered are 2x TE300 model units. Good enough fo a couple years or not worth considering? Interfit etc. are nice but price is... well out of my range.! They are good for head shots or small product shots the Falconeyes is adequate. Full body or even group portraits are doable but is stretching their capability. For what I do (portraits) I it is worth having (I actually own a cheaper Chinese knock off of Falconeyes which does not have its stepless power dial but only a rocker switch for full or half power). Cheers! -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: About Studio Lighting kinds William Robb I see your point, Bill. That's one way to put it - buy whatever is the ultimate kit 'cause you will want ultimate anyway. I wonder if in the world of studio flash systems there are smaller/less feature rich/less expensive/more bang for the back models... There ought to be such options for the beginner/on a budget shooter... Yes, there are. Studio units can be had for pretty much as little as you can imagine spending to how much can you afford and beyond. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In general, you're much better off with the flash units. I'm not familiar with Falcon Eye products. They're made in China, but that may not be damning. 300 watt second is adequate power for a small studio. I use Studio Pro 300 watt second monolight flashes in my small studio, and they're adequate for anything I do. I can easily get f 11 light -- far more than I usually want for even a head to toe shot of a model. Paul On Oct 2, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Thibouille wrote: A friend of mine is selling two studio lighting outfits. One is Interfit tungsten continuous lighting, the other are non continuous Falconeyes Flash system Is there any good in this? I have nothing right now but would like to get myself a little studio at home, it would help me progressing faster than the only day I have a studio available (and in which I need to do the job I'm asked to). The Tungsten seemed (I could try both outfilts) to be difficult to withstand because 3x 500W Tungsten are like hot summer after a couple minutes. But that's just from using them a couple minutes. They are rated 3200K but basicaly have no accessories. He's asking 300 euros for the Tungsten kit (I may negotiate though). The Falconeye set is 2x300W with wireless X-sync, honeycomb, snoot, 2xdiffusers and a couple other things. Seemed to work well enough when I tried them. He aasking price is 400 euros (again, could be negotiated). Outside from those precise kits, I do not have yet an idea about pros and cons of continuous vs. non-continuous lighting. I think most pro studios would not work with continuous lighting but this is just guess, I have no idea why. I guess continuous eats way more electrons as well meaning my electricity bill will would be higher than with non continuous ? Maybe reusing old flashes would be better? But if accessories needed (tripods, diffusers etc.) cost me about the same as one of those kits, what's the point? I'm clueless about lighting, really. Thanks for all your suggestions -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Thibouille A friend of mine is selling two studio lighting outfits. One is Interfit tungsten continuous lighting, the other are non continuous Falconeyes Flash system Is there any good in this? I have nothing right now but would like to get myself a little studio at home, it would help me progressing faster than the only day I have a studio available (and in which I need to do the job I'm asked to). The Tungsten seemed (I could try both outfilts) to be difficult to withstand because 3x 500W Tungsten are like hot summer after a couple minutes. But that's just from using them a couple minutes. They are rated 3200K but basicaly have no accessories. He's asking 300 euros for the Tungsten kit (I may negotiate though). The Falconeye set is 2x300W with wireless X-sync, honeycomb, snoot, 2xdiffusers and a couple other things. Seemed to work well enough when I tried them. He aasking price is 400 euros (again, could be negotiated). Outside from those precise kits, I do not have yet an idea about pros and cons of continuous vs. non-continuous lighting. I think most pro studios would not work with continuous lighting but this is just guess, I have no idea why. I guess continuous eats way more electrons as well meaning my electricity bill will would be higher than with non continuous ? Maybe reusing old flashes would be better? But if accessories needed (tripods, diffusers etc.) cost me about the same as one of those kits, what's the point? I'm clueless about lighting, really. Thanks for all your suggestions I don't think there's a great deal of difference in the cost of the electricity to power them. Generally, I think PEOPLE will be more comfortable under the strobes. Continuous tungsten light does have the heat factor. What I'm seeing in school, where we are studying lighting, is that continuous lighting is used more for product lighting, although strobes work for that as well. The inverse does not appear to be true, continuous lighting does not work as well for people as strobes do. Does the two light strobe kit include the light stands? If so, 400 euros doesn't sound outrageous. If it does not, the price is too high. But that's just my opinion -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thank you both for your input. Much appreciated. Yes, stands are included. 2010/10/2, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: From: Thibouille A friend of mine is selling two studio lighting outfits. One is Interfit tungsten continuous lighting, the other are non continuous Falconeyes Flash system Is there any good in this? I have nothing right now but would like to get myself a little studio at home, it would help me progressing faster than the only day I have a studio available (and in which I need to do the job I'm asked to). The Tungsten seemed (I could try both outfilts) to be difficult to withstand because 3x 500W Tungsten are like hot summer after a couple minutes. But that's just from using them a couple minutes. They are rated 3200K but basicaly have no accessories. He's asking 300 euros for the Tungsten kit (I may negotiate though). The Falconeye set is 2x300W with wireless X-sync, honeycomb, snoot, 2xdiffusers and a couple other things. Seemed to work well enough when I tried them. He aasking price is 400 euros (again, could be negotiated). Outside from those precise kits, I do not have yet an idea about pros and cons of continuous vs. non-continuous lighting. I think most pro studios would not work with continuous lighting but this is just guess, I have no idea why. I guess continuous eats way more electrons as well meaning my electricity bill will would be higher than with non continuous ? Maybe reusing old flashes would be better? But if accessories needed (tripods, diffusers etc.) cost me about the same as one of those kits, what's the point? I'm clueless about lighting, really. Thanks for all your suggestions I don't think there's a great deal of difference in the cost of the electricity to power them. Generally, I think PEOPLE will be more comfortable under the strobes. Continuous tungsten light does have the heat factor. What I'm seeing in school, where we are studying lighting, is that continuous lighting is used more for product lighting, although strobes work for that as well. The inverse does not appear to be true, continuous lighting does not work as well for people as strobes do. Does the two light strobe kit include the light stands? If so, 400 euros doesn't sound outrageous. If it does not, the price is too high. But that's just my opinion -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The production studio I worked with last year used 3200K balanced florescent tubes for everything. Didn't see a real tungsten light anywhere. The lights ran much cooler. I'm pretty sure that even small studio photographic lighting will be going that route eventually. I don't think it's the best idea, but it is what will happen. On 10/2/2010 10:55 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Thibouille A friend of mine is selling two studio lighting outfits. One is Interfit tungsten continuous lighting, the other are non continuous Falconeyes Flash system Is there any good in this? I have nothing right now but would like to get myself a little studio at home, it would help me progressing faster than the only day I have a studio available (and in which I need to do the job I'm asked to). The Tungsten seemed (I could try both outfilts) to be difficult to withstand because 3x 500W Tungsten are like hot summer after a couple minutes. But that's just from using them a couple minutes. They are rated 3200K but basicaly have no accessories. He's asking 300 euros for the Tungsten kit (I may negotiate though). The Falconeye set is 2x300W with wireless X-sync, honeycomb, snoot, 2xdiffusers and a couple other things. Seemed to work well enough when I tried them. He aasking price is 400 euros (again, could be negotiated). Outside from those precise kits, I do not have yet an idea about pros and cons of continuous vs. non-continuous lighting. I think most pro studios would not work with continuous lighting but this is just guess, I have no idea why. I guess continuous eats way more electrons as well meaning my electricity bill will would be higher than with non continuous ? Maybe reusing old flashes would be better? But if accessories needed (tripods, diffusers etc.) cost me about the same as one of those kits, what's the point? I'm clueless about lighting, really. Thanks for all your suggestions I don't think there's a great deal of difference in the cost of the electricity to power them. Generally, I think PEOPLE will be more comfortable under the strobes. Continuous tungsten light does have the heat factor. What I'm seeing in school, where we are studying lighting, is that continuous lighting is used more for product lighting, although strobes work for that as well. The inverse does not appear to be true, continuous lighting does not work as well for people as strobes do. Does the two light strobe kit include the light stands? If so, 400 euros doesn't sound outrageous. If it does not, the price is too high. But that's just my opinion -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 2:54 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: About Studio Lighting kinds A friend of mine is selling two studio lighting outfits. One is Interfit tungsten continuous lighting, the other are non continuous Falconeyes Flash system I'm not going to bother checking specs or ratings for you. Presuming that the strobes are of reasonable quality, I would go with them. Presuming the strobes are crap and the hot lights are good, I'd give the hot lights a pass in favour of looking for good strobes. In a nutshell, I would give hot lights a pass in any circumstance. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: About Studio Lighting kinds The production studio I worked with last year used 3200K balanced florescent tubes for everything. Didn't see a real tungsten light anywhere. The lights ran much cooler. I'm pretty sure that even small studio photographic lighting will be going that route eventually. I don't think it's the best idea, but it is what will happen. The problem with florescent lights is flicker, and you need to keep shutter speeds quite slow ensure that it isn't a problem. I think you are pushing your luck shooting faster than 1/30 second with fluorescents, in Europe, where the AC cycles at 50 hz rather than 60hz, I'm guessing that shooting faster than 1/25second is asking for trouble. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My friend said he only knew one studio 'crazy enough' to use continuous lighting? Any serious studio would use strobes. But then that's just his take on it which is why I asked. Thanks for your take on it. 2010/10/2 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: The production studio I worked with last year used 3200K balanced florescent tubes for everything. Didn't see a real tungsten light anywhere. The lights ran much cooler. I'm pretty sure that even small studio photographic lighting will be going that route eventually. I don't think it's the best idea, but it is what will happen. On 10/2/2010 10:55 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Thibouille A friend of mine is selling two studio lighting outfits. One is Interfit tungsten continuous lighting, the other are non continuous Falconeyes Flash system Is there any good in this? I have nothing right now but would like to get myself a little studio at home, it would help me progressing faster than the only day I have a studio available (and in which I need to do the job I'm asked to). The Tungsten seemed (I could try both outfilts) to be difficult to withstand because 3x 500W Tungsten are like hot summer after a couple minutes. But that's just from using them a couple minutes. They are rated 3200K but basicaly have no accessories. He's asking 300 euros for the Tungsten kit (I may negotiate though). The Falconeye set is 2x300W with wireless X-sync, honeycomb, snoot, 2xdiffusers and a couple other things. Seemed to work well enough when I tried them. He aasking price is 400 euros (again, could be negotiated). Outside from those precise kits, I do not have yet an idea about pros and cons of continuous vs. non-continuous lighting. I think most pro studios would not work with continuous lighting but this is just guess, I have no idea why. I guess continuous eats way more electrons as well meaning my electricity bill will would be higher than with non continuous ? Maybe reusing old flashes would be better? But if accessories needed (tripods, diffusers etc.) cost me about the same as one of those kits, what's the point? I'm clueless about lighting, really. Thanks for all your suggestions I don't think there's a great deal of difference in the cost of the electricity to power them. Generally, I think PEOPLE will be more comfortable under the strobes. Continuous tungsten light does have the heat factor. What I'm seeing in school, where we are studying lighting, is that continuous lighting is used more for product lighting, although strobes work for that as well. The inverse does not appear to be true, continuous lighting does not work as well for people as strobes do. Does the two light strobe kit include the light stands? If so, 400 euros doesn't sound outrageous. If it does not, the price is too high. But that's just my opinion -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/10/2 William Robb war...@gmail.com: I'm not going to bother checking specs or ratings for you. Sure, that's not what I asked and even if I did, I wouldn't expect you or anyone else to do so. If 300W is enough, I don't need anything else. Presuming that the strobes are of reasonable quality, I would go with them. Presuming the strobes are crap and the hot lights are good, I'd give the hot lights a pass in favour of looking for good strobes. In a nutshell, I would give hot lights a pass in any circumstance. Message pretty clear and well received. Roger that ;) Thank you! William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I didn't think about that William but to me you're right. Even Palm devices years ago had to get a fix otherwise the screen would flicker under Fluo lighting. Often on TV they have that problem, Shot a Video of a CRT monitor and you're in trouble rather quickly. 50Hz indeed in Europe. It'd suck to be such limited in Studio IMO although there're probably a lot of other things of bigger importance. 2010/10/2 William Robb war...@gmail.com: -- From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: About Studio Lighting kinds The production studio I worked with last year used 3200K balanced florescent tubes for everything. Didn't see a real tungsten light anywhere. The lights ran much cooler. I'm pretty sure that even small studio photographic lighting will be going that route eventually. I don't think it's the best idea, but it is what will happen. The problem with florescent lights is flicker, and you need to keep shutter speeds quite slow ensure that it isn't a problem. I think you are pushing your luck shooting faster than 1/30 second with fluorescents, in Europe, where the AC cycles at 50 hz rather than 60hz, I'm guessing that shooting faster than 1/25second is asking for trouble. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds The production studio I worked with last year used 3200K balanced florescent tubes for everything. Didn't see a real tungsten light anywhere. The lights ran much cooler. I'm pretty sure that even small studio photographic lighting will be going that route eventually. I don't think it's the best idea, but it is what will happen. Second year Commercial students get to work with those and the newer Speedotrons. Second year Portrait students get to work with Photogenics older Speedotrons. Second year Photojourn students work with Vivitar 285s and dedicated speed-lights (if they can afford them). I don't know what the second year Bio-Com students do. First year students get to work with REALLY OLD Studio Hot Lights, and I mean HOT, HOT, HOT - gloves hot pads mandatory. The stuff you see in old Hollywood movie stills. Although, they do get introduced to some Speedotrons, Photogenics Alien Bees during Summer Semester just before second year begins. We also used Vivitar 285s dedicated speed lights (if you could afford them). Second year students can also use hot lights if they want to, as long as they don't deprive the first year students. The only real problem I see is that mixed color temperature lights are a BITCH when you're shooting digital, e.g. adding a green gel to the flash shooting through a magenta filter to balance fluorescent light to daylight didn't work as well as it did on film (one of the advantages of having to repeat a class after a 4 year break). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You've already had some excellent advice from others, the only additional consideration from me would be - do the flash units have modelling lights, or can they be fitted later? I've worked with studio flash setups before, and the ability to set your lighting and see how it will look is, IMO, really important. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Thibouille Sent: Saturday, 2 October 2010 6:54 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: About Studio Lighting kinds A friend of mine is selling two studio lighting outfits. One is Interfit tungsten continuous lighting, the other are non continuous Falconeyes Flash system Is there any good in this? I have nothing right now but would like to get myself a little studio at home, it would help me progressing faster than the only day I have a studio available (and in which I need to do the job I'm asked to). The Tungsten seemed (I could try both outfilts) to be difficult to withstand because 3x 500W Tungsten are like hot summer after a couple minutes. But that's just from using them a couple minutes. They are rated 3200K but basicaly have no accessories. He's asking 300 euros for the Tungsten kit (I may negotiate though). The Falconeye set is 2x300W with wireless X-sync, honeycomb, snoot, 2xdiffusers and a couple other things. Seemed to work well enough when I tried them. He aasking price is 400 euros (again, could be negotiated). Outside from those precise kits, I do not have yet an idea about pros and cons of continuous vs. non-continuous lighting. I think most pro studios would not work with continuous lighting but this is just guess, I have no idea why. I guess continuous eats way more electrons as well meaning my electricity bill will would be higher than with non continuous ? Maybe reusing old flashes would be better? But if accessories needed (tripods, diffusers etc.) cost me about the same as one of those kits, what's the point? I'm clueless about lighting, really. Thanks for all your suggestions -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
