Re: I learned something about my scanner today
I too have had good success using Vuescan with BW negs. But like you I find it horribly clunky with transparencies or color negs. It needs some fine adjustment knobs. With the current version, tiny tweaks can cause over-the-cliff changes. And on my system, the previews do little to predict the actual scan. Paul On Mar 2, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Mark C wrote: > I use Vuescan for B&W negative scans and love it for that purpose. For > traditional B&W film - Vuescan makes it very easy to capture the full tonal > range without clipping the histogram and then it is just a few simple curve > adjustments to get things just right. I have to fight with the programs > provided with the scanners (Kikonscan, Filmget or Epson scan, depending on > the scanner) to get them to preserve the full tonal range in B&W. > > But for color work I revert back to the bundled software. I am sure that one > can get great results with color film and Vuescan, but all of the other > programs just do it with minimal fuss. Vuescan looks like it needs more > tweaking. Even Nikonscan - which I find to be just annoying as hell - is > still easier to use the Vuescan. > > Mark > > On 2/24/2014 11:06 PM, David Mann wrote: >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:19 pm, steve harley wrote: >> >>> not certain from your description, but if VueScan works with this scanner, >>> it's possible it could give you a more efficient workflow - might be worth >>> a shot with the demo >> I knew someone would recommend that. I tried the demo version again a few >> months ago and just ended up hating it again. Just couldn't get good >> results, the colours were all over the place and I wasn't able to easily >> correct them in Photoshop. It was a shame as I'd have been able to do my >> scanning using my Macbook Pro, which I can't with the Minolta software. >> It's PPC or Windows only, and Virtualbox doesn't support Firewire. >> >> For most slides the Minolta software is very efficient anyway, it's only >> this weird case I've just come across after about 8 or 9 years of owning it. >> Before now I don't think I've ever applied a negative exposure setting. It >> may be something about this old film. >> >> Cheers, >> Dave >> >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I learned something about my scanner today
I use Vuescan for B&W negative scans and love it for that purpose. For traditional B&W film - Vuescan makes it very easy to capture the full tonal range without clipping the histogram and then it is just a few simple curve adjustments to get things just right. I have to fight with the programs provided with the scanners (Kikonscan, Filmget or Epson scan, depending on the scanner) to get them to preserve the full tonal range in B&W. But for color work I revert back to the bundled software. I am sure that one can get great results with color film and Vuescan, but all of the other programs just do it with minimal fuss. Vuescan looks like it needs more tweaking. Even Nikonscan - which I find to be just annoying as hell - is still easier to use the Vuescan. Mark On 2/24/2014 11:06 PM, David Mann wrote: On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:19 pm, steve harley wrote: not certain from your description, but if VueScan works with this scanner, it's possible it could give you a more efficient workflow - might be worth a shot with the demo I knew someone would recommend that. I tried the demo version again a few months ago and just ended up hating it again. Just couldn't get good results, the colours were all over the place and I wasn't able to easily correct them in Photoshop. It was a shame as I'd have been able to do my scanning using my Macbook Pro, which I can't with the Minolta software. It's PPC or Windows only, and Virtualbox doesn't support Firewire. For most slides the Minolta software is very efficient anyway, it's only this weird case I've just come across after about 8 or 9 years of owning it. Before now I don't think I've ever applied a negative exposure setting. It may be something about this old film. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I learned something about my scanner today
It might do ICE with the Epson I use. I should look into it more. I've only been using the program for a short while. Still working on a more accurate color profile at the moment. Tomorrow I'm going to scan a printed chart with my spectrometer and then use my CMS to build a profile from a scan of the scanner. I with I had a real it8 target on hand. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 8:09 PM, steve harley wrote: > on 2014-02-25 17:35 Zos Xavius wrote > >> There's not much I wish it would do >> other than ICE. ICE is probably the reason I still use the epson >> software when it comes to film. > > > VueScan does ICE for me with my Epson 4990 > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I learned something about my scanner today
on 2014-02-25 17:35 Zos Xavius wrote There's not much I wish it would do other than ICE. ICE is probably the reason I still use the epson software when it comes to film. VueScan does ICE for me with my Epson 4990 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I learned something about my scanner today
I'm still convinced that unless you want to spring for a drum scanner the epson v700 is probably your best bang for the buck when it comes to scanning film. the nice thing about slide film is that its in a holder generally, so you just drop it on the glass. larger negs are problematic because of the Newtonian rings. also their 35mm holders truly suck and do little to flatten the film or hold it off of the glass. this is where drum scanning shines. i've considered setting up a bellows rig to scan film with a dslr, but I still think that scanning with a flatbed is superior for quality by far, but certainly more time consuming. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: > I use vuescan. Once you create a workflow and calibrate colors > properly things are easy. That you can scan into a DNG is very, very > useful indeed. You can shoot a 25 color target with film, scan it, and > then create a profile around that. It won't be the most accurate > profile ever, but it will probably be good enough for non-reproduction > work. The color workflow options in vuescan are very poorly laid out, > but there's nothing else like it. How to adjust color and whatnot > within vuescan itself is still very much a mystery to me. I find it > better to just profile and take raw results off the scanner. I have an > Epson that has a failing CCD element that makes nice lines through all > the scans. At high res in vuescan they somehow disappear. It might > have a noise reduction method, but it makes an otherwise useless > scanner still very usable. I have not had much experience with > scanning film with vuescan nor have I had much of a chance to test it > out. I mostly scan small paintings and drawings and stitch if needed. > The epson v500 I have has proven to be a workhorse that has mostly > accurate colors once you remove the slight green cast. Profiling does > wonders. A friend just developed a roll I gave to him a year ago, so I > will be scanning some B&W with it. I have use the epson software to > scan film, but it doesn't get colors right at all and they take some > massaging and guesswork sometimes. I will try some slide film with > vuescan as soon as I get my rolls developed. Its an amazing piece of > software once you work it out. There's not much I wish it would do > other than ICE. ICE is probably the reason I still use the epson > software when it comes to film. > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi > wrote: >> The best way to scan with VueScan, for me anyway, is to output to its raw >> format, encapsulating the raw files as DNG. ALL of the inversions (for >> negs), color balances, gamma correction, etc, I do in Lightroom. I built a >> couple of custom profiles to do the heavy lifting with Adobe DNG Profile >> Creator. >> >> The scanner is just acquiring the data, everything else is up to me. :-) >> >> G >> >> On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:06 PM, David Mann wrote: >> >>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:19 pm, steve harley wrote: >>> not certain from your description, but if VueScan works with this scanner, it's possible it could give you a more efficient workflow - might be worth a shot with the demo >>> >>> I knew someone would recommend that. I tried the demo version again a few >>> months ago and just ended up hating it again. Just couldn't get good >>> results, the colours were all over the place and I wasn't able to easily >>> correct them in Photoshop. It was a shame as I'd have been able to do my >>> scanning using my Macbook Pro, which I can't with the Minolta software. >>> It's PPC or Windows only, and Virtualbox doesn't support Firewire. >>> >>> For most slides the Minolta software is very efficient anyway, it's only >>> this weird case I've just come across after about 8 or 9 years of owning >>> it. Before now I don't think I've ever applied a negative exposure >>> setting. It may be something about this old film. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I learned something about my scanner today
I use vuescan. Once you create a workflow and calibrate colors properly things are easy. That you can scan into a DNG is very, very useful indeed. You can shoot a 25 color target with film, scan it, and then create a profile around that. It won't be the most accurate profile ever, but it will probably be good enough for non-reproduction work. The color workflow options in vuescan are very poorly laid out, but there's nothing else like it. How to adjust color and whatnot within vuescan itself is still very much a mystery to me. I find it better to just profile and take raw results off the scanner. I have an Epson that has a failing CCD element that makes nice lines through all the scans. At high res in vuescan they somehow disappear. It might have a noise reduction method, but it makes an otherwise useless scanner still very usable. I have not had much experience with scanning film with vuescan nor have I had much of a chance to test it out. I mostly scan small paintings and drawings and stitch if needed. The epson v500 I have has proven to be a workhorse that has mostly accurate colors once you remove the slight green cast. Profiling does wonders. A friend just developed a roll I gave to him a year ago, so I will be scanning some B&W with it. I have use the epson software to scan film, but it doesn't get colors right at all and they take some massaging and guesswork sometimes. I will try some slide film with vuescan as soon as I get my rolls developed. Its an amazing piece of software once you work it out. There's not much I wish it would do other than ICE. ICE is probably the reason I still use the epson software when it comes to film. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > The best way to scan with VueScan, for me anyway, is to output to its raw > format, encapsulating the raw files as DNG. ALL of the inversions (for negs), > color balances, gamma correction, etc, I do in Lightroom. I built a couple of > custom profiles to do the heavy lifting with Adobe DNG Profile Creator. > > The scanner is just acquiring the data, everything else is up to me. :-) > > G > > On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:06 PM, David Mann wrote: > >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:19 pm, steve harley wrote: >> >>> not certain from your description, but if VueScan works with this scanner, >>> it's possible it could give you a more efficient workflow - might be worth >>> a shot with the demo >> >> I knew someone would recommend that. I tried the demo version again a few >> months ago and just ended up hating it again. Just couldn't get good >> results, the colours were all over the place and I wasn't able to easily >> correct them in Photoshop. It was a shame as I'd have been able to do my >> scanning using my Macbook Pro, which I can't with the Minolta software. >> It's PPC or Windows only, and Virtualbox doesn't support Firewire. >> >> For most slides the Minolta software is very efficient anyway, it's only >> this weird case I've just come across after about 8 or 9 years of owning it. >> Before now I don't think I've ever applied a negative exposure setting. It >> may be something about this old film. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I learned something about my scanner today
The best way to scan with VueScan, for me anyway, is to output to its raw format, encapsulating the raw files as DNG. ALL of the inversions (for negs), color balances, gamma correction, etc, I do in Lightroom. I built a couple of custom profiles to do the heavy lifting with Adobe DNG Profile Creator. The scanner is just acquiring the data, everything else is up to me. :-) G On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:06 PM, David Mann wrote: > On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:19 pm, steve harley wrote: > >> not certain from your description, but if VueScan works with this scanner, >> it's possible it could give you a more efficient workflow - might be worth a >> shot with the demo > > I knew someone would recommend that. I tried the demo version again a few > months ago and just ended up hating it again. Just couldn't get good > results, the colours were all over the place and I wasn't able to easily > correct them in Photoshop. It was a shame as I'd have been able to do my > scanning using my Macbook Pro, which I can't with the Minolta software. It's > PPC or Windows only, and Virtualbox doesn't support Firewire. > > For most slides the Minolta software is very efficient anyway, it's only this > weird case I've just come across after about 8 or 9 years of owning it. > Before now I don't think I've ever applied a negative exposure setting. It > may be something about this old film. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I learned something about my scanner today
On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:19 pm, steve harley wrote: > not certain from your description, but if VueScan works with this scanner, > it's possible it could give you a more efficient workflow - might be worth a > shot with the demo I knew someone would recommend that. I tried the demo version again a few months ago and just ended up hating it again. Just couldn't get good results, the colours were all over the place and I wasn't able to easily correct them in Photoshop. It was a shame as I'd have been able to do my scanning using my Macbook Pro, which I can't with the Minolta software. It's PPC or Windows only, and Virtualbox doesn't support Firewire. For most slides the Minolta software is very efficient anyway, it's only this weird case I've just come across after about 8 or 9 years of owning it. Before now I don't think I've ever applied a negative exposure setting. It may be something about this old film. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I learned something about my scanner today
vue scan excellent, but might not be worth the money depending on how old the scanner is. my advice: scan to tiff at 16-bit if possible and turn off all auto correction and create actions in photoshop that would apply whatever adjustments you need. you could also run the tiffs through lightroom like they were raws and process them that way. PS will give you more options for color correction though. the scanner software i've used tends to clip highlights. other than that yeah, try auto exposure and see if you can turn the brightness down. On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:19 PM, steve harley wrote: > on 2014-02-24 15:46 David Mann wrote > >> Oh yeah, the scanner is a Minolta Multi Pro. IIRC they use the same >> software for many other models. Other than this little quirk it's >> excellent. > > > not certain from your description, but if VueScan works with this scanner, > it's possible it could give you a more efficient workflow - might be worth a > shot with the demo > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I learned something about my scanner today
on 2014-02-24 15:46 David Mann wrote Oh yeah, the scanner is a Minolta Multi Pro. IIRC they use the same software for many other models. Other than this little quirk it's excellent. not certain from your description, but if VueScan works with this scanner, it's possible it could give you a more efficient workflow - might be worth a shot with the demo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
