RE: RE: Pentax Gallery Resignation
That's a funny reply and it's essentially correct. Any kind of artistic endeavor is just like real life: There's no definite target, no step-by-step instructions that will guarantee success. well, although I wrote it as a joke, the basic ideas and the image of snow slipping from a bamboo leaf come from Zen In The Art Of Archery by Eugen Herrigel. Some of us might think it's a lot of mystical droppings from the rear of a bull, but it was a great influence on Henri Cartier-Bresson, so maybe there's something in it. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zen-Art-Archery-Training-Become/dp/0140190740/ ref=sr_1_1/026-6533884-2100457?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1191003104sr=8-1 -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: 27 September 2007 23:05 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: RE: Pentax Gallery Resignation Bob W wrote: How can I aim for a target if I can't see it? You must follow the Way Of The Blind Archer, grasshopper. The Blind Archer does not see the target. He allows the target to see him, and to guide the arrow into his heart, as the heron's beak enters the stream. For are they not one, the archer, the target and the arrow? Are they not avatars of each of us, and we of them? Your hand must not know that it has released the bowstring, it must slip from you as melting snow slips from the bamboo leaf. Then surely the bow, the string, the arrow, the archer and the target are one. Hope that helps. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RE: Pentax Gallery Resignation
On 9/28/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Some of us might think it's a lot of mystical droppings from the rear of a bull,snip Bob, You've got a way with words... ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RE: Pentax Gallery Resignation
On 9/28/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Some of us might think it's a lot of mystical droppings from the rear of a bull,snip Bob, You've got a way with words... ;-) cheers, frank I saw the mystical droppings from the rear of a dog lying on the sidewalk yesterday and almost took a picture of it because it looked like art. Then I decided it stunk. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RE: Pentax Gallery Resignation
Bob W wrote: How can I aim for a target if I can't see it? You must follow the Way Of The Blind Archer, grasshopper. The Blind Archer does not see the target. He allows the target to see him, and to guide the arrow into his heart, as the heron's beak enters the stream. For are they not one, the archer, the target and the arrow? Are they not avatars of each of us, and we of them? Your hand must not know that it has released the bowstring, it must slip from you as melting snow slips from the bamboo leaf. Then surely the bow, the string, the arrow, the archer and the target are one. Hope that helps. That's a funny reply and it's essentially correct. Any kind of artistic endeavor is just like real life: There's no definite target, no step-by-step instructions that will guarantee success. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RE: pentax Gallery: Interesting correspondence
Carlson, John___PAIC_SO wrote: Sorry for the shorter reply to your second e-mail. To break it down to basics, the site administrators are being more critical now than when they first started reviewing images. This is due to the very large number of images being submitted (we actually thought we would have a hard time getting enough images and artists - imagine our surprise). Since we are getting quite a few submissions, it is difficult to give an explanation for every image that is declined, and sometimes a revised image isn't accepted again (if better work has been submitted by the artist). Again, sorry for the short reply to your direct e-mail. Good heavens, man! No need to apologise! I teach web design and multimedia at university: I *know* how much work you people have had to put into that site! Flash front end and database-driven back end... all the while dealing with, well, artists. I don't know how many people are on your team except for this - not enough. (A phrase which probably also describes how you're paid.) ;-) You're doing a great job. As I said, I'm just curious about how things work. Now that you know about my profession I expect you understand why this gallery is of particular interest to me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RE: Pentax Gallery
Markus Maurer wrote: Hi Mark and Bong I like the Salt Shaper Cap photo a lot as well. BTW I haven't seen a dog or cat picture in the gallery, maybe that is too sweet for Pentax :-) Someone (I forget who) submitted a cat photo and had it rejected. So I sent three flower shots (mainly as a joke) and they were all accepted! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RE: Pentax Gallery
On 3/18/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Markus Maurer wrote: Someone (I forget who) submitted a cat photo and had it rejected. So I sent three flower shots (mainly as a joke) and they were all accepted! Elsewhere in this thread or somewhere, there's this exchange on photos that were declined. Why not a PUG theme Declined where we post our best/favorite shots that were not accepted in the Pentax Gallery :-D Bong -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RE: Pentax Gallery
Bong Manayon wrote: Elsewhere in this thread or somewhere, there's this exchange on photos that were declined. Why not a PUG theme Declined where we post our best/favorite shots that were not accepted in the Pentax Gallery :-D LOL! Now *that's* a capital idea. If the PUG can't do it I'll host it on my own web site. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: RE: Pentax Gallery
I second that, a great idea, declined, the second hand Pentax gallery. Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 6:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: RE: Pentax Gallery Bong Manayon wrote: Elsewhere in this thread or somewhere, there's this exchange on photos that were declined. Why not a PUG theme Declined where we post our best/favorite shots that were not accepted in the Pentax Gallery :-D LOL! Now *that's* a capital idea. If the PUG can't do it I'll host it on my own web site. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RE: Pentax Gallery Response
Markus Maurer wrote: would you say that only a lens with the name Pentax on it is a Pentax lens or does it qualify if it is built by Asahi (Pentax)? Well, if it's sold as a Pentax lens it's a Pentax lens :) If it was made after Asahi changed its corporate name to Pentax (2-3 years ago) it's a Pentax lens no matter what's written on it. Before that I suppose it could accurately be called either a Takumar or an Asahi lens. And, should M42 Takumar lenses be allowed in the Pentax Gallery then or not? I expect they would allow it since they were made by Asahi and there were no lenses sold under the name Pentax back then. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RE: Pentax Gallery
Markus Maurer wrote: Maybe there is a point in the supposition that a photo should look good as a thumbnail too for them? That's the impression I get. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RE: Pentax Gallery
Tom C wrote: It's all in the eye of the beholder. So far, several of what I consider my very best images were declined. OTOH, some of those that I've displayed here on the list that were ignored or snubbed have been approved. Likewise I see some images with, what I feel are fatal flaws, that have been admitted. That's exactly what I see with regards to my own images. And I'm also occasionally suprised by some of the sub-par images I see from other photographers. Still, you can't expect to agree with anyone else's opinion(s) 100% of the time and in general I think they're doing an outstanding job of maintaining an overall high standard in the gallery. I think it's going to knock a lot of people's socks off when it goes public. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RE: Pentax Gallery
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: RE: Pentax Gallery Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Tom C wrote: It's all in the eye of the beholder. So far, several of what I consider my very best images were declined. OTOH, some of those that I've displayed here on the list that were ignored or snubbed have been approved. Likewise I see some images with, what I feel are fatal flaws, that have been admitted. That's exactly what I see with regards to my own images. And I'm also occasionally suprised by some of the sub-par images I see from other photographers. Still, you can't expect to agree with anyone else's opinion(s) 100% of the time and in general I think they're doing an outstanding job of maintaining an overall high standard in the gallery. I think it's going to knock a lot of people's socks off when it goes public. True, I don't expect 100% agreement, but 99% in the case of my own, yes. :-) I wonder 1) how many people are making the decison and 2) what objective criteria if any are being used. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RE: Pentax Gallery
Anyone seen any information about re-submitting an image? Perhaps one that was declined and then PS edited? I can't imagine they would open that can. Jack --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: RE: Pentax Gallery Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Tom C wrote: It's all in the eye of the beholder. So far, several of what I consider my very best images were declined. OTOH, some of those that I've displayed here on the list that were ignored or snubbed have been approved. Likewise I see some images with, what I feel are fatal flaws, that have been admitted. That's exactly what I see with regards to my own images. And I'm also occasionally suprised by some of the sub-par images I see from other photographers. Still, you can't expect to agree with anyone else's opinion(s) 100% of the time and in general I think they're doing an outstanding job of maintaining an overall high standard in the gallery. I think it's going to knock a lot of people's socks off when it goes public. True, I don't expect 100% agreement, but 99% in the case of my own, yes. :-) I wonder 1) how many people are making the decison and 2) what objective criteria if any are being used. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RE: Pentax Gallery Response
Markus Maurer wrote: There seem to be no easily visible way to apply for an Artist number like create a new account :-( I expect that is quite deliberate and that they have chosen go go the email route to keep the number of participants and total images down. This may be only for while they're in beta testing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: RE: Pentax Gallery Response
Hi Mark I left them an email and had an artist code one day later. Since nearly all of my photos are made on film and with old equipment I miss a lot of M/A lenses and the complete Spotmatic/Takumar series in the lens/camera selection box. I hope they will add lenses at least and wrote them an email. thanks and greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:09 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: RE: Pentax Gallery Response Markus Maurer wrote: There seem to be no easily visible way to apply for an Artist number like create a new account :-( I expect that is quite deliberate and that they have chosen go go the email route to keep the number of participants and total images down. This may be only for while they're in beta testing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RE: Pentax Gallery
David Savage wrote: ...and these are my declined shots: http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP0466.jpg http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_010.htm http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_022.htm http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP0022.jpg A cat photo a sunset and a lighthouse, eh? Well I can top that: I just sent them a FLOWER photo! Two flower photos, actually. (Might as well hit 'em with both barrels, eh?) I must admit I've found their selections and rejections puzzling. Some of my lifetime portfolio shots were declined and some mediocre stuff got accepted. I suspect they may be trying to fill some photo categories that haven't received enough submissions. Or possibly trying to get shots with some lenses that haven't been sufficiently represented yet (this is, we have to keep in mind, primarily intended as a marketing tool for Pentax, not a free image-hosting service for photographers). And though I've been disappointed and baffled by some of their decisions, I'm glad to see they're trying to maintain a high standard. Can't wait till it opens to the public and I can browse everyone else's shots! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RE: Pentax Gallery
Mark Roberts wrote: Well I can top that: I just sent them a FLOWER photo! Two flower photos, actually. Update: Both flower photos accepted. French street scene photo rejected: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7d505612.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
