RE: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
Usually I convert RAW to DNG directly from the card. So the original PEFs never see my puter. It is simple and it suits my mindset. This workflow has not given me any trouble whatsoever, knock wood. I think it is pretty safe since it is a read only process from the cards point of view. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: 16. januar 2007 06:15 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D) Thanks Patrick. Patrick Genovese wrote: As a rule I never use the computer to delete images from the card. As much as possible i even avoid deleting inidividual images in camera for 2 reasons: a) I don't like evaluating an image on the lcd screen b) Increases likelyhood of corruption. When i erase the card I always format it in the camera. With respect to your card appearing as read only. I've had that problem with a USB pen drive... It did not even have a read only switch and simply went read only and was not able to find a way to erase it in any way. I have started to adopt this approach. I *copy* the files from the card to the PC via the card reader and then when I insert the card back to the camera I *format* it. It feels slightly strange after more than 2 years of simply *moving* the files from the card to the PC with CF cards of my *istD, but I am sure in a couple of weeks I will have this whole incident very much forgotten ;-). Thanks! Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
Hi Boris, As a rule I never use the computer to delete images from the card. As much as possible i even avoid deleting inidividual images in camera for 2 reasons: a) I don't like evaluating an image on the lcd screen b) Increases likelyhood of corruption. When i erase the card I always format it in the camera. With respect to your card appearing as read only. I've had that problem with a USB pen drive... It did not even have a read only switch and simply went read only and was not able to find a way to erase it in any way. Regards Patrick On 1/13/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! When I bought my K10D I also bought a TwinMOS 1GB 150x memory card. The first one broke (camera would display memory card error message) after about 250 images. I have replaced this card with another one of the same kind. Now I am getting very strange messages. They appeared just before the previous card broke done: I would take a shot. Then I would insert it to my SanDisk 12 in 1 card reader and try to *move* files from the card on to my hard drive. The files would copy, but Windows would refuse to delete them saying that disk is write protected. Of course the lock switch on the card is in unlocked position. So now I have to delete all or format my card each time I am done copying my stuff. What is wrong? Is there some kind of basic incompatibility here? Or do I have to, G-d forbid, have my camera inspected by service center? Thanks. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Regards Patrick Genovese -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
Thanks Patrick. Patrick Genovese wrote: As a rule I never use the computer to delete images from the card. As much as possible i even avoid deleting inidividual images in camera for 2 reasons: a) I don't like evaluating an image on the lcd screen b) Increases likelyhood of corruption. When i erase the card I always format it in the camera. With respect to your card appearing as read only. I've had that problem with a USB pen drive... It did not even have a read only switch and simply went read only and was not able to find a way to erase it in any way. I have started to adopt this approach. I *copy* the files from the card to the PC via the card reader and then when I insert the card back to the camera I *format* it. It feels slightly strange after more than 2 years of simply *moving* the files from the card to the PC with CF cards of my *istD, but I am sure in a couple of weeks I will have this whole incident very much forgotten ;-). Thanks! Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I am getting very strange messages. They appeared just before the previous card broke done: I would take a shot. Then I would insert it to my SanDisk 12 in 1 card reader and try to *move* files from the card on to my hard drive. The files would copy, but Windows would refuse to delete them ... You could upgrade to Linux :-) Probably better to just never let Windows write to the card. Read it and copy files, but delete them or re-format on the camera, -- Sandy Harris Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
Well not sure it has anything to do with Win/Linux or whatever OS you like, IMO. 2007/1/14, Sandy Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I am getting very strange messages. They appeared just before the previous card broke done: I would take a shot. Then I would insert it to my SanDisk 12 in 1 card reader and try to *move* files from the card on to my hard drive. The files would copy, but Windows would refuse to delete them ... You could upgrade to Linux :-) Probably better to just never let Windows write to the card. Read it and copy files, but delete them or re-format on the camera, -- Sandy Harris Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
Folks, I just tried a supposedly problematic, but lighting fast, TwinMOS card on the card reader in the office. No error messages whatsoever. It just works. My card reader at home is made by SanDisk and I bought it couple of years ago. Could it be that new cards are too fast or otherwise somehow incompatible with the reader? Thanks. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
Yes ... Shel [Original Message] From: Boris Liberman Could it be that new cards are too fast or otherwise somehow incompatible with the reader? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
Yes it is possible. My reader (which is OEM and not a good Sandisk) can read most cards but recent ones won't do it. My Ultra2+ 1GB will not be read in that reader although it wil read in my Thinkpad but slowly as hell (the integrated readers in laptops are always slow). -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Cards come formatted but I don't trust the formatting to be 100% compatible with what a particular camera does when it formats, so I always reformat the cards before using them. Always format your cards with the camera, not a computer. In my case I was formatting the cards in the camera, but the X Drive still had problems. Formatting the card in the drive off the computer (it doubles as a card reader) seems to have done the trick. - MCC -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, Michigan www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
On 1/13/07, Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beats me as to what the difference would be - format before use seems to be an oxymoron since it would be impossible to write to an unformatted card, right? format also implies reformat. If you format the card in the camera, you can be pretty darned sure it is erased, and the camera can write to it. I've taken to a read-only workflow on the card reader on my computer. If it's stuff that I think is important, I'll toggle the write-protect tab on the card before putting it in the card reader. From there, I use the Adobe DNG converter to copy off the files, and I'll back them up to a safe location before doing anything to them in terms of processing. -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
Well, I've just returned the cards and my credit card was fully refunded. Now I am left again with that TwinMOS card that seems to work for now. I will probably keep the list posted because I find it rather amusing although rather frustrating as well. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
On 13/1/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: When I bought my K10D I also bought a TwinMOS 1GB 150x memory card. The first one broke (camera would display memory card error message) after about 250 images. I have replaced this card with another one of the same kind. Now I am getting very strange messages. They appeared just before the previous card broke done: I would take a shot. Then I would insert it to my SanDisk 12 in 1 card reader and try to *move* files from the card on to my hard drive. The files would copy, but Windows would refuse to delete them saying that disk is write protected. Of course the lock switch on the card is in unlocked position. So now I have to delete all or format my card each time I am done copying my stuff. What is wrong? Is there some kind of basic incompatibility here? Or do I have to, G-d forbid, have my camera inspected by service center? Boris, this may not help you, but as a matter of course, I always let the camera format the card and never the computer. I treat it as though the card belongs to the camera, is owned by it, should be 'looked after' by the camera, and is simply loaned to the computer to offload images. Once back in the camera, I always reformat the card prior to further use. Touch wood, I have never had a problem this way. I have had some problems before adopting this protocol by trying to wipe a card by using the computer. HTH -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
Cotty, this is very unusual to me approach, but I may have to adopt it. Boris, this may not help you, but as a matter of course, I always let the camera format the card and never the computer. I treat it as though the card belongs to the camera, is owned by it, should be 'looked after' by the camera, and is simply loaned to the computer to offload images. Once back in the camera, I always reformat the card prior to further use. Touch wood, I have never had a problem this way. I have had some problems before adopting this protocol by trying to wipe a card by using the computer. My plan as of now is to see if this card breaks down further. Currently, it is only a nuisance that I cannot delete images on camera. I've been always *moving* files from CF cards of my *istD for 2+ years. I never lost an image this way. But who said it was the only way. So, if this card will become unusable I will simply ask to replace it with another card, most probably SanDisk as they seem to be more reliable. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
You might have a POS card. You may want to stick with more mainstream cards, like SanDisk, Kingston, Lexar, Transcend However, why not borrow and try to use some other cards before getting any more nervous. See how they work in your camera, card reader, and with your computer. Also, see how the card you now have works with other card readers and computers. You gotta isolate the cause before trying to attribute blame. I wouldn't be too quick to blame the camera. Shel [Original Message] From: Boris Liberman When I bought my K10D I also bought a TwinMOS 1GB 150x memory card. The first one broke (camera would display memory card error message) after about 250 images. I have replaced this card with another one of the same kind. Now I am getting very strange messages. They appeared just before the previous card broke done: I would take a shot. Then I would insert it to my SanDisk 12 in 1 card reader and try to *move* files from the card on to my hard drive. The files would copy, but Windows would refuse to delete them saying that disk is write protected. Of course the lock switch on the card is in unlocked position. So now I have to delete all or format my card each time I am done copying my stuff. What is wrong? Is there some kind of basic incompatibility here? Or do I have to, G-d forbid, have my camera inspected by service center? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
I would take a shot. Then I would insert it to my SanDisk 12 in 1 card reader and try to *move* files from the card on to my hard drive. Well, one thing you could try is always using *copy* instead of *move* when loading the photos from the card to the computer, then delete all or format in the camera. When you use *move*, the computer writes back to the card to alter the directory structures to reflect the deletion of the file(s) you moved. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have had some problems before adopting this protocol by trying to wipe a card by using the computer. On a Mac? How can this be? 8-))) - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
On 13/1/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: On a Mac? How can this be? 8-))) Har. At least the bugger didn't crash my Mac ;-)) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
Shel, what is it POS? Shel Belinkoff wrote: You might have a POS card. You may want to stick with more mainstream cards, like SanDisk, Kingston, Lexar, Transcend However, why not borrow and try to use some other cards before getting any more nervous. See how they work in your camera, card reader, and with your computer. Also, see how the card you now have works with other card readers and computers. You gotta isolate the cause before trying to attribute blame. I wouldn't be too quick to blame the camera. Shel Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
Piece of Sh!t ... Shel [Original Message] From: Boris Liberman Shel, what is it POS? Shel Belinkoff wrote: You might have a POS card. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
Cotty wrote: Boris, this may not help you, but as a matter of course, I always let the camera format the card and never the computer. I treat it as though the card belongs to the camera, is owned by it, should be 'looked after' by the camera ... I've always taken the same approach - but my X's Drive II started having problems reading the 2 gig SD cards used in the K10D. The drive's manual said to make sure the cards were formatted before use to avoid the error I was getting. So I formated all of the cards off a PC, and they now work fine. (I've started just deleting files via the camera, not re-formatting every time I want to clear a card.) Beats me as to what the difference would be - format before use seems to be an oxymoron since it would be impossible to write to an unformatted card, right? - MCC -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, Michigan www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/13 Sat PM 05:21:13 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D) Shel, what is it POS? Piece of sh1t Shel Belinkoff wrote: You might have a POS card. You may want to stick with more mainstream cards, like SanDisk, Kingston, Lexar, Transcend However, why not borrow and try to use some other cards before getting any more nervous. See how they work in your camera, card reader, and with your computer. Also, see how the card you now have works with other card readers and computers. You gotta isolate the cause before trying to attribute blame. I wouldn't be too quick to blame the camera. Shel Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
Well, this kind of idea did not occur to me ;-). You're probably right. I shall be sure to replace it with a card of different brand next time I have to pay visit to a shop that sold it to me. Boris Shel Belinkoff wrote: Piece of Sh!t ... Shel [Original Message] From: Boris Liberman Shel, what is it POS? Shel Belinkoff wrote: You might have a POS card. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
My procedure also. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D) On 13/1/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: When I bought my K10D I also bought a TwinMOS 1GB 150x memory card. The first one broke (camera would display memory card error message) after about 250 images. I have replaced this card with another one of the same kind. Now I am getting very strange messages. They appeared just before the previous card broke done: I would take a shot. Then I would insert it to my SanDisk 12 in 1 card reader and try to *move* files from the card on to my hard drive. The files would copy, but Windows would refuse to delete them saying that disk is write protected. Of course the lock switch on the card is in unlocked position. So now I have to delete all or format my card each time I am done copying my stuff. What is wrong? Is there some kind of basic incompatibility here? Or do I have to, G-d forbid, have my camera inspected by service center? Boris, this may not help you, but as a matter of course, I always let the camera format the card and never the computer. I treat it as though the card belongs to the camera, is owned by it, should be 'looked after' by the camera, and is simply loaned to the computer to offload images. Once back in the camera, I always reformat the card prior to further use. Touch wood, I have never had a problem this way. I have had some problems before adopting this protocol by trying to wipe a card by using the computer. HTH -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Something is wrong (with my K10D)
On Jan 13, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Mark Cassino wrote: I've always taken the same approach - but my X's Drive II started having problems reading the 2 gig SD cards used in the K10D. The drive's manual said to make sure the cards were formatted before use to avoid the error I was getting. So I formated all of the cards off a PC, and they now work fine. (I've started just deleting files via the camera, not re-formatting every time I want to clear a card.) Beats me as to what the difference would be - format before use seems to be an oxymoron since it would be impossible to write to an unformatted card, right? Cards come formatted but I don't trust the formatting to be 100% compatible with what a particular camera does when it formats, so I always reformat the cards before using them. Always format your cards with the camera, not a computer. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
