subject:"Re\: Where's Cotty\?"

As we are on the subject of inept use of language, I am surprised at you  
parrotting that American schoolboy howler: I could care less.

What you mean is that you couldn't care less.
Thus is language debased, even by those who would seek to criticise others.
John
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:31:03 -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 Not one of those books has a reference to anything like a Guilietta  
Super Spider in any year of production. The only reason to be  
interested in a picture of YOUR car is to celebrate a mutual interest  
and appreciation for something beautiful. Otherwise I could care less.

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Re: Where's Cotty?


frank theriault wrote:
On 4/18/05, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Just for that, you don't get to look at a scan of my '58 Guiletta
roadster.
keith whaley

Oh sure, punish all of us because those two can't play nice together!  LOL
Oh, don't worry... I'll get that transparency scanned and show it anyhow...
I was playing It's MY ball, and I'M going home sort of thing. 
Sometimes you just can't resist the temptation!  g

FWIW, the Alfa Romeo site calls it a Spider (they should know).  As I
understand it, Spider is pronounced speed-air or something close to
it (please, someone Italian correct me if I'm wrong).  It's the
Italian bastardization of the English word Speeder or Speedster.  Has
nothing to do with arachnids.
cheers,
frank
No, a spider is a body style. A lightweight convertible sporting vehicle.
See Pinin Farina who designed the first one for Alfa in the Guilietta 
series startiing in 1955.
Many others make one today, not the least of which is Ferrari...

keith

Re: Where's Cotty?


Cotty wrote:

That's a chickenshit word, it isn't apt, it doesn't apply and is not 
appreciated. No call for using thqt sort of language at all!

Oh goody - a neat little war brewing and I'm in the subject line. Can I
just add that I think it's all a load a horse shit? (D'oh - I was saving
that for Brooksy..)

Cheers,
  Cotty
I apologize for the language herewith. It was an ill-considered and 
stupid reaction by me, and I hereby declare a unilateral truce.

keith

Re: Where's Cotty?

On 4/19/05, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 No, a spider is a body style. A lightweight convertible sporting vehicle.
 See Pinin Farina who designed the first one for Alfa in the Guilietta
 series startiing in 1955.
 Many others make one today, not the least of which is Ferrari...

Yes.  You're right.  I was talking of the pronunciation and etymology
of the word, not the meaning, which I've always taken to be a two seat
topless sports car (but maybe they don't have to be two-seaters).

cheers,
frank 


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Re: Where's Cotty?

On 4/19/05, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I apologize for the language herewith. It was an ill-considered and
 stupid reaction by me, and I hereby declare a unilateral truce.

Always ready to take the high road (in your Spider), eh Keith?  lol

-- 
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Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-19 Thread Stephen Moore

Cotty wrote:
Oh goody - a neat little war brewing and I'm in the subject line. Can I
just add that I think it's all a load a horse shit? (D'oh - I was saving
that for Brooksy..)
Oh double goody -- one of my least favorite things (a PDML flame war)
sparked by my favorite marque (Alfa-Romeo). Life is good!  ;-)
Stephen Moore
(1969 round-tail 1750 Spider)
PS: Kudos to the list member who coined the term Pentaxalfisti ;-)

Re: Where's Cotty?


frank theriault wrote:
On 4/19/05, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I apologize for the language herewith. It was an ill-considered and
stupid reaction by me, and I hereby declare a unilateral truce.

Always ready to take the high road (in your Spider), eh Keith?  lol
Age brings with it a certain cantankerousness of spirit, and sometimes I 
find it coming out almost unbidden! Shame on me!
Anyhow, it never hurts to apologize. I like a little Crow in my humble 
pie... 8-)

keith

Re: Where's Cotty?

Actually, it's very selfish to apologise.  It makes you feel good and the  
other guy bad.  :-)

John
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:45:23 -0700, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:


frank theriault wrote:
On 4/19/05, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I apologize for the language herewith. It was an ill-considered and
stupid reaction by me, and I hereby declare a unilateral truce.

Always ready to take the high road (in your Spider), eh Keith?  lol
Age brings with it a certain cantankerousness of spirit, and sometimes I  
find it coming out almost unbidden! Shame on me!
Anyhow, it never hurts to apologize. I like a little Crow in my humble  
pie... 8-)

keith



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Re: Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-19 Thread m.9.wilson


 
 From: Stephen Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 PS: Kudos to the list member who coined the term Pentaxalfisti ;-)

Sounds like a particularly unpleasant sexual practice to me.

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Re: Re: Where's Cotty?

Actually, it's great fun.
John
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:01:24 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Stephen Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]

PS: Kudos to the list member who coined the term Pentaxalfisti ;-)
Sounds like a particularly unpleasant sexual practice to me.
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Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-19 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée

...
PS: Kudos to the list member who coined the term Pentaxalfisti ;-)
...
In French PentaxAlfiste  !!
Michel

Re: Where's Cotty?

On Apr 19, 2005, at 4:29 AM, John Forbes wrote:
As we are on the subject of inept use of language, I am surprised at 
you parrotting that American schoolboy howler: I could care less.

What you mean is that you couldn't care less.
Thus is language debased, even by those who would seek to criticise 
others.
I could care less means 'I could not care less' in idiomatic American 
English: it's a sarcastic elision of As if I could care less. The 
debate about its correctness rages on. Here's a long discussion:
  http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001256.html

But you obviously caught what was meant, which was the purpose of 
uttering it.

Godfrey
  trees? or forest? ...

Re: Where's Cotty?

On Apr 19, 2005, at 5:40 AM, frank theriault wrote:
No, a spider is a body style. A lightweight convertible sporting 
vehicle.
See Pinin Farina who designed the first one for Alfa in the Guilietta
series startiing in 1955.
Many others make one today, not the least of which is Ferrari...
Yes.  You're right.  I was talking of the pronunciation and etymology
of the word, not the meaning, which I've always taken to be a two seat
topless sports car (but maybe they don't have to be two-seaters).
I recall a long discussion of the etymology of the term spider on the 
Alfa Romeo Digest some years ago. I think the conclusion they came to 
was that it was a post-WWII term coined for the open sporting roadster, 
derivative from the Auburn Speedster in the immediate post-war era ... 
supposedly Max Hoffman, the US importer, named the Porsche 356 roadster 
the Speedster in 1953 after the Auburn Speedster which he admired, 
and the name Spider was picked up by Alfa for the Guilietta roadster 
with that influence in mind (Max Hoffman was also the most prominent US 
importer of Alfa Romeos).

This is all hearsay to me as I haven't any documentation to reference. 
The designation Spider for the open, two-seat roadster body type 
starts in the Alfa Romeo production cars with the Guilietta Spider in 
1954, and does not appear in any pre-war records, according to Luigi 
Fusi.

Godfrey

Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-19 Thread Cotty

On 19/4/05, Keith Whaley, discombobulated, unleashed:

I apologize for the language herewith. It was an ill-considered and 
stupid reaction by me, and I hereby declare a unilateral truce.

deflating sound


;-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Where's Cotty?


Cotty wrote:
On 19/4/05, Keith Whaley, discombobulated, unleashed:

I apologize for the language herewith. It was an ill-considered and 
stupid reaction by me, and I hereby declare a unilateral truce.

deflating sound
;-)
Glad you explained!
I thought that deflating sound coming from you was an editorial comment...
keith
Cheers,
  Cotty

Re: Where's Cotty?

So when Bush and Blair say They have weapons of mass destruction, they  
are simply employing a sarcastic elision of They have no weapons of mass  
destruction.

You may possibly be right.  But I think a lot of misunderstandings could  
be avoided if we eschewed sarcastic elisions and just said what we meant.

And anyway, fiddlesticks.  Most people using this juvenile phrase are not  
eliding sarcatically, they're just being ignorant.

But, I am sure you yourself were being sarcastically elisive.  I would  
expect no less.  :-)

John
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 07:55:25 -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

On Apr 19, 2005, at 4:29 AM, John Forbes wrote:
As we are on the subject of inept use of language, I am surprised at  
you parrotting that American schoolboy howler: I could care less.

What you mean is that you couldn't care less.
Thus is language debased, even by those who would seek to criticise  
others.
I could care less means 'I could not care less' in idiomatic American  
English: it's a sarcastic elision of As if I could care less. The  
debate about its correctness rages on. Here's a long discussion:
   http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001256.html

But you obviously caught what was meant, which was the purpose of  
uttering it.

Godfrey
   trees? or forest? ...



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Delightfully British automobile. Morgan came out with a 3 wheel car in about 1910 had a V-Twin motorcycle engine mounted crosswise in front of the radiator between the front wheels. They produced that same basic car until well into the 1950's. Do to British tax laws it was concidered a motorcycle and taxed lower than a motorcar. In I believe it was 1936 they decided to produce a 4 wheel car which looked a lot like a 1934 Ford, if Ford had made a british style sports car. They called it a Plus 4. It still had the same frame and strange front suspension as the 3 wheeler, designed remember in 1910. Over the years there have been slight styling changes and a series of different engines used in them. the Plus-8 being the Rover built Oldsmobile aluminum V-8. So they are still hand-made 1930's automobiles with a modern drive train. They are expensive, hard riding, leaky, immensely impractical, but fun to drive . They only build a few hundred a year, and they sell like hotcakes to re
tro-enthusists.

graywolf
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As for Morgans, I probably know more about them than most people who own
them. I was fasinated buy them (both the 3-wheelers, and the 4-wheelers)
when I was younger. I liked the flat grill +4 of the 50's best.

Until this thread, I'd never heard of Morgan automobiles.
Any relation to the horse, do you know?
:-D
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Re: Where's Cotty?

On Apr 19, 2005, at 8:31 AM, John Forbes wrote:
So when Bush and Blair say They have weapons of mass destruction, 
they are simply employing a sarcastic elision of They have no weapons 
of mass destruction.
No. When those yokels said They have weapons of mass destruction they 
meant We intend to send armed forces to do battle in Iraq because we 
don't like them: give us the money to do it. And evidently both 
Congress and Parliament understood, and agreed.

You have to translate English to your native tongue with deference to 
the context. ;-)

Godfrey
... I didn't agree ...

Re: Where's Cotty?

You don't read much real in-depth news, do you, Godfrey...
You believe all the liberal press and people like Barbara Boxer and 
Chucky Shumer and Ted Kennedy tell you, right?

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Apr 19, 2005, at 8:31 AM, John Forbes wrote:
So when Bush and Blair say They have weapons of mass destruction, 
they are simply employing a sarcastic elision of They have no weapons 
of mass destruction.

No. When those yokels said They have weapons of mass destruction they 
meant We intend to send armed forces to do battle in Iraq because we 
don't like them: give us the money to do it. And evidently both 
Congress and Parliament understood, and agreed.

You have to translate English to your native tongue with deference to 
the context. ;-)

Godfrey
... I didn't agree ...
Fortunately, no-one had to get your approval ahead of time...
It takes a critical thinker to understand what has happened, and why it 
DID happen.
You have to read more than the Sun and the Washington Post for accurate 
news.
I'd suggest the Monitor and the WSJ, for starters...
Find and read non-U.S. papers now and then.

Which is not to say I believe everything was done right. It wasn't. But, 
there were extenuating, non-foreseeable circumstances for most of the 
known screw-ups. Most of what has happened was right-headed. It happened 
for good reasons.

Ooops! Off the political rostrum.
I'll try to take it offline from now on. Sorry.
Back to your regularly scheduled Pentax discussions.
keith

Re: Where's Cotty?

On Apr 19, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Keith Whaley wrote:
You don't read much real in-depth news, do you, Godfrey...
Obviously, you know nothing about what I read or don't read. You came 
up with that condescending and idiotic tirade on the basis of some 
joking about understanding the English language.

Amazing shit one learns about people on the PDML.
Godfrey

Re: Where's Cotty?


Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Apr 19, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Keith Whaley wrote:
You don't read much real in-depth news, do you, Godfrey...

Obviously, you know nothing about what I read or don't read. You came up 
with that condescending and idiotic tirade on the basis of some joking 
about understanding the English language.

Amazing shit one learns about people on the PDML.
Now, in THAT we agree!  8-)
Godfrey

Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-19 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Keith Whaley Subject: Re: Where's Cotty?



Which is not to say I believe everything was done right. It wasn't. But,
there were extenuating, non-foreseeable circumstances for most of the
known screw-ups. Most of what has happened was right-headed. It happened
for good reasons.
Non forseeable, such as most of the reasons being outright fabrications?
Perhpas forseeable given the backgrounds of the parties involved in the 
machinations surrounding the invasion.
If you'd wanted to look like humanitarians, you should have been more 
involved in the Balkans and Rwanda.

Ooops! Off the political rostrum.
I'll try to take it offline from now on. Sorry.
Back to your regularly scheduled Pentax discussions.
Please do, this has the potential for making you look like a fool.
William Robb

Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-19 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: John Forbes Subject: Re: Where's Cotty?


So when Bush and Blair say They have weapons of mass destruction, they 
are simply employing a sarcastic elision of They have no weapons of mass 
destruction.
Weapons of mass destruction do not actually destroy mass. The best they can 
do is rearrange it.

William Robb

Re: Where's Cotty?

It's a silly phrase.  But Godfrey will tell you that mass is a sarcastic  
elision of masses of people.

Unless of course they're designed for an attack on the Catholic church.   
But why bother, when you've got Ratzinger?

John
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:39:32 -0600, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

- Original Message - From: John Forbes Subject: Re: Where's  
Cotty?


So when Bush and Blair say They have weapons of mass destruction,  
they are simply employing a sarcastic elision of They have no weapons  
of mass destruction.
Weapons of mass destruction do not actually destroy mass. The best they  
can do is rearrange it.

William Robb  




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Re: Where's Cotty?

On 4/19/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Weapons of mass destruction do not actually destroy mass. The best they can
 do is rearrange it.
 

You sure?

Don't nuke-u-lar weapons convert some mass into energy?  

Not that I'd know...

cheers,
frank 


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Re: Where's Cotty?

On 4/19/05, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's a silly phrase.  But Godfrey will tell you that mass is a sarcastic
 elision of masses of people.
 
 Unless of course they're designed for an attack on the Catholic church.
 But why bother, when you've got Ratzinger?

YES!

The Rat-man got in!  I was going to bet on him, but I had no spare
money with which to do so.  Too bad.

Now that this thread has run the gamut from cars to politics to
weapons of mass destruction, I think we should now turn our sights to
religion.  After that, guns and abortion.  Let's just get all our
flame-outs on this one thread, shall we?  LOL

cheers,
frank the atheist
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Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-19 Thread Kenneth Waller

Now that this thread has run the gamut from cars to politics to
weapons of mass destruction, I think we should now turn our sights to
religion.  After that, guns and abortion.  Let's just get all our
flame-outs on this one thread, shall we?  LOL

And blame it all on Cotty

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Where's Cotty?


 On 4/19/05, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It's a silly phrase.  But Godfrey will tell you that mass is a
sarcastic
  elision of masses of people.
 
  Unless of course they're designed for an attack on the Catholic church.
  But why bother, when you've got Ratzinger?

 YES!

 The Rat-man got in!  I was going to bet on him, but I had no spare
 money with which to do so.  Too bad.

 Now that this thread has run the gamut from cars to politics to
 weapons of mass destruction, I think we should now turn our sights to
 religion.  After that, guns and abortion.  Let's just get all our
 flame-outs on this one thread, shall we?  LOL

 cheers,
 frank the atheist
 --
 Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-19 Thread John Francis

frank theriault mused:
 
 On 4/19/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  Weapons of mass destruction do not actually destroy mass. The best they can
  do is rearrange it.
  
 
 You sure?
 
 Don't nuke-u-lar weapons convert some mass into energy?  

So do chemical weapons - just a somewhat smaller quantity.

But that energy has mass, anyway.  As W. Robb stated, all
that happens is that the mass and/or energy get rearranged.

Re: Where's Cotty?

On Apr 19, 2005, at 4:58 PM, John Forbes wrote:
It's a silly phrase.  But Godfrey will tell you that mass is a 
sarcastic elision of masses of people.
Bite me.
Is that enough sarcastic elision for you?
Godfrey

Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-19 Thread Scott Loveless

On 4/19/05, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Now that this thread has run the gamut from cars to politics to
 weapons of mass destruction, I think we should now turn our sights to
 religion.  After that, guns and abortion.  Let's just get all our
 flame-outs on this one thread, shall we?  LOL

After a week-long hiatus, I stumble into this thread.  Yippee!  Here's
my take on the whole mess:  There ain't nothing looks better than a
silver print.  Nothing.  So stick yer digital.


-- 
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http://www.twosixteen.com

Re: Where's Cotty?

On 4/19/05, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 After a week-long hiatus, I stumble into this thread.  Yippee!  Here's
 my take on the whole mess:  There ain't nothing looks better than a
 silver print.  Nothing.  So stick yer digital.

Please take your photography talk elsewhere.  This is...

Wait, this ~is~ a photography list, isn't it?  

You're off the hook this time.  Mind it doesn't happen again, young man!

cheers,
frank

-- 
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Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-19 Thread Scott Loveless

On 4/19/05, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 4/19/05, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  After a week-long hiatus, I stumble into this thread.  Yippee!  Here's
  my take on the whole mess:  There ain't nothing looks better than a
  silver print.  Nothing.  So stick yer digital.
 
 Please take your photography talk elsewhere.  This is...

Sorry.  Sorry, my mistake.  I'll try to stay on topic.  Ratzinger..who?


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RE: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-18 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen

I've had a Disco Td5 (aut.) for a year now and 
I just love her! ;-)

Antti-Pekka


Antti-Pekka Virjonen
Estera Oy Turku

www.estera.fi
www.computec.fi 

 -Original Message-
 From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ...
 Land Rovers are my vehicle of choice. Since 1985, I've owned:
 
 4 X Range Rover Classics
 1X Series 1
 1X Series 2a
 1X Ninety
 1X One Ten
 
 and mercifully driven through my work, since 1998:
 
 1X Ninety
 3X Discoveries
 
 each of the last four left me with 90,000 miles plus on the clock

Re: Where's Cotty?

On 18/4/05, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:

 So, how do you like your Ford, Cotty (grin)? 
 
 Ain't no damn Ford badge on my motor, tosh!

The new ones have Jaguar motors, though.
(The old ones use a Buick).

You're talking about the V8s - I have a 2.5 litre four cylinder diesel
that is Land Rover through and through. Our petrol is taxed to the hilt
and costs nearly three GBP per gallon. I could afford to run a V8 without
a problem - but not as well as IS.




Cheers,
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RE: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-18 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen

Cotty, the Td5 is five cylinder, right? (to correct your typo ;-)
Btw, ain't the Td5 a BMW design (or maybe it is a Land Rover design 
from the BMW time)?

Antti-Pekka


Antti-Pekka Virjonen
Estera Oy Turku

www.estera.fi
www.computec.fi 

 -Original Message-
 From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:22 AM
 To: pentax list
 Subject: Re: Where's Cotty?
 
 On 18/4/05, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
  So, how do you like your Ford, Cotty (grin)?
 
  Ain't no damn Ford badge on my motor, tosh!
 
 The new ones have Jaguar motors, though.
 (The old ones use a Buick).
 
 You're talking about the V8s - I have a 2.5 litre four cylinder diesel
 that is Land Rover through and through. Our petrol is taxed to the
hilt
 and costs nearly three GBP per gallon. I could afford to run a V8
without
 a problem - but not as well as IS.
 
 
 
 
 Cheers,
   Cotty
 
 
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Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-18 Thread mike wilson

Cotty wrote:
On 18/4/05, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:

So, how do you like your Ford, Cotty (grin)? 
Ain't no damn Ford badge on my motor, tosh!
The new ones have Jaguar motors, though.
(The old ones use a Buick).

You're talking about the V8s - I have a 2.5 litre four cylinder diesel
that is Land Rover through and through. Our petrol is taxed to the hilt
and costs nearly three GBP per gallon. I could afford to run a V8 without
a problem - but not as well as IS.
When did you last buy fuel?  It's just under 90p a litre up here, which 
translates to much closer to £5 per gallon in my book. 8-)  I suspect 
double that is not so far away 8-((

And diesel is the most expensive of all
mike

Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-18 Thread John Forbes

Mike, the US gallon is smaller than the Imperial gallon.
90p a litre equates to US$6.47 per US gallon, or £4.10 per Imp gallon.
John
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:31:02 +0100, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

Cotty wrote:
On 18/4/05, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:
So, how do you like your Ford, Cotty (grin)?
Ain't no damn Ford badge on my motor, tosh!
The new ones have Jaguar motors, though.
(The old ones use a Buick).
  You're talking about the V8s - I have a 2.5 litre four cylinder diesel
that is Land Rover through and through. Our petrol is taxed to the hilt
and costs nearly three GBP per gallon. I could afford to run a V8  
without
a problem - but not as well as IS.
When did you last buy fuel?  It's just under 90p a litre up here, which  
translates to much closer to £5 per gallon in my book. 8-)  I suspect  
double that is not so far away 8-((

And diesel is the most expensive of all
mike


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Re: OT: Lancia Fulvia (was: Re: Where's Cotty?)

2005-04-18 Thread frank theriault

On 4/17/05, Gianfranco Irlanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When I was 9 yo my father followed my mother's advice (probably
 first and last time...) and bought a 2nd hand Lancia Beta saloon
 (almost brand new, I guess it was less than 2 years old). A
 great car, very comfortable, and with that nice 1970s touch...
 Too bad he let it got rusty without using it for too long before
 I and my brother got the driving license... Even then, it was
 enjoyable. I drove it just few times before the sad end.
 Recently I found another one, a 3rd series - hopefully more
 resistent - and I'm in the mood to buy it in a rush...
 It's a pity that among the vintage cars the ordinary, saloon
 bodies are the more neglected ones. There are several models
 that I'm not able to see anymore, and I'm talking about cars
 sold in hundreds of thousands of units. There are still few
 Fulvia Coupé running around here, though...
 Hope for the future:
 http://www.carsfromitaly.com/lancia/concepts/fulvietta.html
 :-)
 
 Ciao,
 
 Gianfranco
 

That's one pretty car!!

If it ever does come to fruition, we're guaranteed never to see it on
these shores (especially because no one in North America imports
Lancias, AFAIK - not since the '70's or '80's, anyway)

cheers,
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Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-18 Thread mike wilson

John Forbes wrote:
Mike, the US gallon is smaller than the Imperial gallon.
90p a litre equates to US$6.47 per US gallon, or £4.10 per Imp gallon.
As he was talking about Land Rovers, I assumed Imperial.
John
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:31:02 +0100, mike wilson 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

Cotty wrote:
On 18/4/05, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:
So, how do you like your Ford, Cotty (grin)?

Ain't no damn Ford badge on my motor, tosh!

The new ones have Jaguar motors, though.
(The old ones use a Buick).
  You're talking about the V8s - I have a 2.5 litre four cylinder diesel
that is Land Rover through and through. Our petrol is taxed to the hilt
and costs nearly three GBP per gallon. I could afford to run a V8  
without
a problem - but not as well as IS.

When did you last buy fuel?  It's just under 90p a litre up here, 
which  translates to much closer to £5 per gallon in my book. 8-)  I 
suspect  double that is not so far away 8-((

And diesel is the most expensive of all
mike


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Re: OT: Lancia Fulvia (was: Re: Where's Cotty?)

2005-04-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Apr 17, 2005, at 3:04 PM, Gianfranco Irlanda wrote:
Wooohooo!!
A Lancia fan!
:-)
Yessir. I lusted after a Lancia Fulvia Zagato Coupé for years, it was 
parked in front of a house on the way to the train station every time I 
passed. The day it disappeared I was heartbroken ... only to rediscover 
it sitting on grass in someone's back yard a decade later. Sitting on 
grass ... It was rusted to its demise or I'd have bought it as a 
restoration project. I couldn't afford a bare chassis rebuild. :-(

It's a pity that among the vintage cars the ordinary, saloon
bodies are the more neglected ones. There are several models
that I'm not able to see anymore, and I'm talking about cars
sold in hundreds of thousands of units.
Yes, many people overlook wonderful cars like the little Alfa Romeo 
Guilia ... a 1300cc four in a superb handling sedan. The Super version 
was very fast indeed with the right driver on board.

There are still few Fulvia Coupé running around here, though...
Hope for the future:
http://www.carsfromitaly.com/lancia/concepts/fulvietta.html
Beautiful!
Built on the Barchetta chassis, I see. FIAT has not seen fit to 
re-enter the US market at all, we've never gotten Barchettas here, so I 
doubt we'll ever see this one if it makes it to production. Sad sad 
sad.

Perhaps I'll just move to the UK or Europe.
Godfrey

Re: Where's Cotty?

On 18/4/05, Antti-Pekka Virjonen, discombobulated, unleashed:

Cotty, the Td5 is five cylinder, right? (to correct your typo ;-)
Btw, ain't the Td5 a BMW design (or maybe it is a Land Rover design 
from the BMW time)?

You are entirely correct A-P, the Td5 is a 5 cylinder diesel. It resides
in the Discovery series 2 that I drive on my work days. It's leased by my
employers for me to use, but not privately (aside from 6 months in 2003
when I temporarily had company car status and was able to use it
privately as well - you following this?) - hence we have our own car that
my wife uses, and me when I'm not working. This is a 94 Range Rover Tdi
which is a '300 Tdi' engine with 4 cylinders - and it was this engine I
was referring to at the end of this quote:

  So, how do you like your Ford, Cotty (grin)?
 
  Ain't no damn Ford badge on my motor, tosh!
 
 The new ones have Jaguar motors, though.
 (The old ones use a Buick).
 
 You're talking about the V8s - I have a 2.5 litre four cylinder diesel
 that is Land Rover through and through. 

Sorry about the confusion, Bruce. Er, Antti-Pekka.

best,



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On 18/4/05, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

When did you last buy fuel?  It's just under 90p a litre up here, which 
translates to much closer to £5 per gallon in my book. 8-)  I suspect 
double that is not so far away 8-((

D'oh! Pardon me. Brain fart. Yeah, £5. 




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Re: Where's Cotty?

On 18/4/05, John Forbes, discombobulated, unleashed:

90p a litre equates to US$6.47 per US gallon, or £4.10 per Imp gallon.

Look, you guys slug it out - I'm going to lie down for a bit.




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Re: Where's Cotty?

No, I am thinking of a plywood monocoque sports car from the late 50's, early 60's. I thought they were TVR's but could be mistaken. 

As for Morgans, I probably know more about them than most people who own them. 
I was fasinated buy them (both the 3-wheelers, and the 4-wheelers) when I was 
younger. I liked the flat grill +4 of the 50's best.
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You're thinking of Morgans.  And yes, they are.  Seven year waiting 
list at the last count.

TVRs never used wood for anything structural, only interior details and 
such.
Morgans use wood framing for the body panels, not the chassis.

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Re: Where's Cotty?

You, know what, you are very authoritive about everything. And mostly you do
not know what you are talking about. I had made the decision not to reply to
any of your posts in the past. I forgot. I will not do so in the future. Kids!
For others who may be interested, the AR Guilietta Super Spyder (or Spider, it means roadster in any case) was the most highly tuned of the roadsters, 1300cc, 135hp, dual webers, ('56/'57 here in the US) basically the racing version. It had a 5 speed german made DB gearbox and every one I ever drove (about 5 of them, none of them new when I drove them) had a bulky shift into second gear, up or down, hence my comment.

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On Apr 17, 2005, at 12:48 PM, Graywolf wrote:
Ah '57 Super Spyder one of my dream cars. Was 2nd gear bulky on all of
them?

Spider ... there is no y in Italian. Not sure which Alfa Romeo you are
referring to, I've not heard of any of them referred to as the Super
Spider.

The Guilietta and derivative 4-cylinder series Alfas have all had
similar gearbox design, and I think even the Alfetta and derivative
transaxle cars have a very similar gear cluster. I presume you are
referring to the second gear synchro wear problems, derivative from the
weight of the gear cluster. I would expect that most take benefit in
synchro wear from lightening the gear cluster. I had that done to
FrankenSpider's gearbox ... sure makes a difference in shifting speed too.

Godfrey

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Re: Where's Cotty?

You should hear the Jeep guys when I call theirs Plymouths (grin).
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On 17/4/05, Graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed:

So, how do you like your Ford, Cotty (grin)? 

Ain't no damn Ford badge on my motor, tosh!

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Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-18 Thread Keith Whaley


Graywolf wrote:
You, know what, you are very authoritive about everything. And mostly 
you do not know what you are talking about. I had made the decision not 
to reply to any of your posts in the past. I forgot. I will not do so in 
the future. Kids!

For others who may be interested, the AR Guilietta Super Spyder (or 
Spider, it means roadster in any case) was the most highly tuned of the 
roadsters, 1300cc, 135hp, dual webers, ('56/'57 here in the US) 
basically the racing version. It had a 5 speed german made DB gearbox 
and every one I ever drove (about 5 of them, none of them new when I 
drove them) had a bulky shift into second gear, up or down, hence my 
comment.
graywolf
Yeah. It seems that was a balky synchro. Typical of that gearbox 
design, it seemed.
If you pressed it, it grudgingly went into second gear. Not without 
protest in some form or another...
Force it and it clashed. So, you pretended you had an ailing synchro, 
and treated it as such. Gentled into mesh...

Fabulous machine, for sure!
I had a beloved (don't ask me why!) Simca Aronde. 5 (or 6?) on the 
stalk, and it went like stink, as we used to say...
That little engine would wind and wind! Just like the 1600cc Beemer or 
Alfa. Something about those 1.6 litre DOHC engines of that era. They 
just sang... Greatest sound in the world!

Well, other than a Ferrari 12 being tuned...
Whrom, Whrooom!  Gives you chills, it does!
Then there was my Singer saloon...  big grin...
keith

Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-18 Thread williamsp

Quoting Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 every one I ever drove (about 5 of them, none of them new when I drove them)
 had a bulky shift into second gear, up or down, hence my comment.
 

That's twice now I've seen a gearshift described as bulky, surely you mean 
balky?

Bulky - of large size for its weight
Balky - stopping short and refusing to go on





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Gee, missus grundy, im sorry. i want dod it agane.
Bulky: 3.   Clumsy to manage; unwieldy.
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every one I ever drove (about 5 of them, none of them new when I drove them)
had a bulky shift into second gear, up or down, hence my comment.

That's twice now I've seen a gearshift described as bulky, surely you mean 
balky?
Bulky - of large size for its weight
Balky - stopping short and refusing to go on


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Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

That's delightfully snide of you, oh Graywolf. And total bullshit.
No such car is listed in the definitive Alfa Romeo: Tutte Le Vetture 
Dal 1910 by Luigi Fusi. There were certainly performance variants of 
the Guilietta Spider ... in 1956/1957 there was the Guilietta Spider 
Normale, with one carburetor, and Veloce, with dual Weber carburetors. 
The high-performance Veloce version made 90 hp and had a 5 speed 
transmission.

Here's ahttp://www.carsfromitaly.com/alfaromeo/index.html referring to 
these cars.

Luigi Fusi lists all the cars manufactured by Alfa Romeo, he is the 
definitive source. There were many racing variants, but nothing called 
a Guilietta Super Spider. There is no y in the Italian alphabet.

I suppose you meant a balky gearshift into 2nd gear, not a bulky 
gear. Pardon my mistake, derivative of your inept use of the english 
language.

Godfrey
On Apr 18, 2005, at 3:38 PM, Graywolf wrote:
You, know what, you are very authoritive about everything. And mostly 
you do not know what you are talking about. I had made the decision 
not to reply to any of your posts in the past. I forgot. I will not do 
so in the future. Kids!

For others who may be interested, the AR Guilietta Super Spyder (or 
Spider, it means roadster in any case) was the most highly tuned of 
the roadsters, 1300cc, 135hp, dual webers, ('56/'57 here in the US) 
basically the racing version. It had a 5 speed german made DB gearbox 
and every one I ever drove (about 5 of them, none of them new when I 
drove them) had a bulky shift into second gear, up or down, hence my 
comment.
graywolf
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Apr 17, 2005, at 12:48 PM, Graywolf wrote:
Ah '57 Super Spyder one of my dream cars. Was 2nd gear bulky on all 
of them?
Spider ... there is no y in Italian. Not sure which Alfa Romeo you 
are referring to, I've not heard of any of them referred to as the 
Super Spider.
The Guilietta and derivative 4-cylinder series Alfas have all had 
similar gearbox design, and I think even the Alfetta and derivative 
transaxle cars have a very similar gear cluster. I presume you are 
referring to the second gear synchro wear problems, derivative from 
the weight of the gear cluster. I would expect that most take benefit 
in synchro wear from lightening the gear cluster. I had that done to 
FrankenSpider's gearbox ... sure makes a difference in shifting speed 
too.
Godfrey

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Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-18 Thread Keith Whaley

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
That's delightfully snide of you, oh Graywolf. And total bullshit.
No such car is listed in the definitive Alfa Romeo: Tutte Le Vetture 
Dal 1910 by Luigi Fusi. There were certainly performance variants of 
the Guilietta Spider ... in 1956/1957 there was the Guilietta Spider 
Normale, with one carburetor, and Veloce, with dual Weber carburetors. 
The high-performance Veloce version made 90 hp and had a 5 speed 
transmission.

Here's ahttp://www.carsfromitaly.com/alfaromeo/index.html 
 ...referring to these cars.
Luigi Fusi lists all the cars manufactured by Alfa Romeo, he is the 
definitive source. There were many racing variants, but nothing called a 
Guilietta Super Spider. There is no y in the Italian alphabet.

I suppose you meant a balky gearshift into 2nd gear, not a bulky 
gear. Pardon my mistake, derivative of your inept use of the english 
language.

Godfrey
 Inept?
That's a chickenshit word, it isn't apt, it doesn't apply and is not 
appreciated. No call for using thqt sort of language at all!

Just for that, you don't get to look at a scan of my '58 Guiletta 
roadster.

keith whaley

Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-18 Thread frank theriault

On 4/18/05, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 
 Just for that, you don't get to look at a scan of my '58 Guiletta
 roadster.
 
 keith whaley

Oh sure, punish all of us because those two can't play nice together!  LOL

FWIW, the Alfa Romeo site calls it a Spider (they should know).  As I
understand it, Spider is pronounced speed-air or something close to
it (please, someone Italian correct me if I'm wrong).  It's the
Italian bastardization of the English word Speeder or Speedster.  Has
nothing to do with arachnids.

cheers,
frank

-frank

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Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-18 Thread ernreed2

Quoting Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 As for Morgans, I probably know more about them than most people who own
 them. I was fasinated buy them (both the 3-wheelers, and the 4-wheelers)
 when I was younger. I liked the flat grill +4 of the 50's best.

Until this thread, I'd never heard of Morgan automobiles.
Any relation to the horse, do you know?

:-D

ERNR
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Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-18 Thread William Robb

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: Where's Cotty?

Until this thread, I'd never heard of Morgan automobiles.
Any relation to the horse, do you know?
So named because they wouldn't start reliably so you always wanted a couple 
of horses to tow you home, I am sure.
A neighbourhood aquaintance of mine had a Morgan for quite some time. It was 
a charming automobile.

William Robb

Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Apr 18, 2005, at 7:09 PM, Keith Whaley wrote:
 Inept?
That's a chickenshit word, it isn't apt, it doesn't apply and is not 
appreciated. No call for using thqt sort of language at all!
It is perfectly apt and describes my opinion of Graywolf's use of the 
language perfectly.

===
inept
adj 1: not elegant or graceful in expression; an awkward prose style; 
a clumsy apology; his cumbersome writing style; if the rumor is 
true, can anything be more inept than to repeat it now? [syn: awkward, 
clumsy, cumbersome, inapt, ill-chosen] 2: generally incompetent and 
ineffectual; feckless attempts to repair the plumbing; inept 
handling of the account [syn: feckless] 3: revealing lack of 
perceptiveness or judgment or finesse; an inept remark; it was 
tactless to bring up those disagreeable [syn: tactless]

Main Entry: inept

Part of Speech:  adjective 1
Definition:  clumsy
Synonyms:  all thumbs, artless, awkward, bumbling, bungling, 
butterfingers, gauche, halting, ham-handed, inadept, incapable, 
incompetent, inefficient, inexpert, loser, maladroit, real loser, 
unapt, undexterous, unfacile, ungraceful, unhandy, unproficient, 
unskilled, unskillful, wooden

Antonyms:  competent
Sources: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University, Acronym Finder, © 
1988-2004 Mountain Data Systems
===

He referred to a bulky second gear ... which implies he was asking 
something about the size and weight of the gearbox internals. He meant 
a balky second gear which is a description of its behavior in 
operation. Get it?

Just for that, you don't get to look at a scan of my '58 Guiletta 
roadster.
I have dozens of pictures of Guilietta Spiders in my Alfa Romeo 
reference books. Not one of those books has a reference to anything 
like a Guilietta Super Spider in any year of production. The only 
reason to be interested in a picture of YOUR car is to celebrate a 
mutual interest and appreciation for something beautiful. Otherwise I 
could care less.

There is a Guilia TI Super, yes, introduced in 1964 ... it is a 
performance sedan. But no Super Spider. The Guilietta Spider was 
introduced in 1955, the Guilietta Spider Veloce in 1956; the Veloce 
model made 90 hp, had a 5 speed transmission. Graywolf is incorrect in 
his recollection; must be getting too old.

the kid,
Godfrey

Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-18 Thread Cesar

mike wilson wrote:
Cotty wrote:
On 18/4/05, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:

So, how do you like your Ford, Cotty (grin)? 

Ain't no damn Ford badge on my motor, tosh!

The new ones have Jaguar motors, though.
(The old ones use a Buick).

You're talking about the V8s - I have a 2.5 litre four cylinder diesel
that is Land Rover through and through. Our petrol is taxed to the hilt
and costs nearly three GBP per gallon. I could afford to run a V8 
without
a problem - but not as well as IS.

When did you last buy fuel?  It's just under 90p a litre up here, 
which translates to much closer to £5 per gallon in my book. 8-)  I 
suspect double that is not so far away 8-((

And diesel is the most expensive of all
mike
Interesting about the diesel...  I am used to seeing diesel being the 
least expensive, outside the USA.  I do recall a time when in the USA 
people were buying diesel cars since it was cheaper.  This is no longer 
the case from what I have seen though.

Enjoying taking time off from 'obligations' and just having time to myself,
César
Panama City, Florida

Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-17 Thread John Forbes

All is not lost, Joe.  We still make ONE interesting car:
http://www.tvr-eng.co.uk/intro.html
John
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:15:55 -0600, Joseph Tainter  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I always thought that British cars up through the 1960s and even early  
1970s were the most fun and interesting cars in the world.

Hence one of my perpetual problems: I tend to buy cars because I think  
they are interesting. Guess what happens then.

When I was a kid in California in the 1960s, MG and Triumph were the  
cars to have. I did manage to get an MG 1100, which was a small sedan (a  
bit bigger than a mini) rather than a sports car, but a whale of a lot  
of fun to drive.

But the Japanese and Germans won because the British cars weren't  
reliable. Same for Fiat in the U.S. market. On my MG, I once went  
through five fuel pumps in ten months. I finally got rid of it when the  
transmission went out -- at about 35,000 miles.

But I still haven't learned to stop buying cars because they are  
interesting.

Joe



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Re: Where's Cotty?

On 16/4/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

Land Rover has been owned by Ford for some years now. They're seem to 
be doing quite well ... Ford's pushed their marketing nicely and there 
are a ton of them on the road in my area.

Land Rovers are my vehicle of choice. Since 1985, I've owned:

4 X Range Rover Classics
1X Series 1
1X Series 2a
1X Ninety
1X One Ten

and mercifully driven through my work, since 1998:

1X Ninety
3X Discoveries

each of the last four left me with 90,000 miles plus on the clock

(and as a nod to Godders, when a Disco goes in for a service, they give
me a Freelander for the day - nippy, solid, but the 'A' posts are too wide!!)

after all the above, certain things stand out:

1. The best all round LR has to be the Rangie
2. Ninetys and One Tens will all leak rain water through the door seals
(they al do that)
3. Discoverys have no rearward vision to speak of and can only be driven
backwards with side mirrors (I'm now an expert)
4. A Series 1 makes my knees knock (both when seeing one, and driving one)
5. The 5 cylinder TD5 engine is a monster diesel
6. The Ninety is without doubt the most agile LR and can do magical
things off the tarmac.
7. The Ninety shares top spot with the Jeep CJ5 as the all time best off
road machine.
8. I can't inkjet print in mono worth dick.
9. The standard middle row seating in a One Ten is designed for toddlers
and dwarves.
10. Like Mini, Land Rover is now owned by a non-British parent company,
but (like Mini) Land Rovers are still built on UK assembly lines, by hard
working Brits, and they are very proud (like Mini) of what they do.


We just came back from Cornwall after a few days RR - our 1994 Range
Rover Classic Tdi did 500 miles to a 19 gallon tank (yes, that's 26 mpg
for a 2.5 ton 4X4), transported 4 people and all their luggage (just!) in
much comfort on a thousand mile round trip, cruised at 85, rock-crawled
over some farm tracks, attracted so much attention from seagulls in the
form of excretia, and never skipped a beat.

Pentax content: amongst the EOS paperweights, I took the venerable A*85mm
f/1.4 and boy is that lens my favourite of all time.

I took the LowePro Mini Trekker and Reporter 600 bags, but operated out
of the back of the car - which illustrated shortcomings in 2 bags like
this. I'm now looking for a Pelican case.

I'll put some pics up soon.



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Re: Where's Cotty?

On Apr 17, 2005, at 2:12 AM, Cotty wrote:
Land Rovers are my vehicle of choice. Since 1985, I've owned:
[snip ... a bunch of them]
...
(and as a nod to Godders, when a Disco goes in for a service, they give
me a Freelander for the day - nippy, solid, but the 'A' posts are too 
wide!!)
When the Freelander goes in for service, the dealer usually gives me a 
Discovery (with the V8) as loaner for the day. Love the engine, it's a 
great bugger to drive, but it's larger than I want to manage every day 
and the fuel consumption makes it pretty expensive to run. I don't 
believe the US gets any of the diesel engined models.  The Freelanders 
A posts are pretty wide, yes. But I find it more comfortable than the 
Disco overall, and it's a handier size. The Freelander is great for 
what I chose it for (mix of typical urban driving, good size for 
parking in San Francisco, decent fuel consumption, carries a ton of 
stuff when I need that, handles great, and handles rough dirt roads, 
overland in the hills, and nasty pavement with ease).

A custom-built Alfa Romeo Spider is my other car ...  ;-)
  http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/vehicles/fs-3468.htm
3. Discoverys have no rearward vision to speak of and can only be 
driven
backwards with side mirrors (I'm now an expert)
I didn't notice that. Seem to me to be good vision all around.
8. I can't inkjet print in mono worth dick.
Dedicate a printer to BW and use the MIS UT2 inkset with QuadToneRIP 
software if you have one of the supported printers:
  http://harrington.com/QuadToneRIP.html
  https://www.inksupply.com/

At least with that setup, your quality issues are reduced to how well 
you understand how to edit an image in Photoshop.

Godfrey

Re: Where's Cotty?

On 17/4/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

 I don't 
believe the US gets any of the diesel engined models. 

GODDERS! Go find a TD5 Disco and you'll have an awesome machine. The
Freelander runs the TD$ as you know, boy if you could get a Freelander
TD5.




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On 17/4/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

A custom-built Alfa Romeo Spider is my other car ...  ;-)
   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/vehicles/fs-3468.htm

Lovely. Who built it?




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Re: Where's Cotty?

On 17/4/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:


At least with that setup, your quality issues are reduced to how well 
you understand how to edit an image in Photoshop.

I'm 'simplest/best' approach, me. Never did like the darkroom either. If
I could afford two employees, one would be an assistant to hoik gear, the
other would be a PS/printing guru.  When I sit in front of the monitor
and process shots, I'm thinking of the next shoot. No gain without pain I
suppose.

Dedicate a printer to BW and use the MIS UT2 inkset with QuadToneRIP 
software if you have one of the supported printers:
   http://harrington.com/QuadToneRIP.html
   https://www.inksupply.com/

Thanks. Yeah - it's on the 'to-do- list. Actually I have a spare S9000 in
the garage in a box - needs a new head, so I may get around to setting it
up for mono one day.

Got to get a house sorted first ;-)




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On 17/4/05, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:

Freelander runs the TD$

LOL.

TD4 of course.




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Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-17 Thread Keith Whaley


Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
[...]
A custom-built Alfa Romeo Spider is my other car ...  ;-)
  http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/vehicles/fs-3468.htm
Lovely machine!
My Alfa spyder was a Guiletta and was a '58!
Absolutely loved that car! If only they made one today...
I'll have to scan that one and make the image available...
keith whaley

Re: Where's Cotty?

On Apr 17, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Cotty wrote:
A custom-built Alfa Romeo Spider is my other car ...  ;-)
  http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/vehicles/fs-3468.htm
Lovely. Who built it?
I had it built from a wrecked '78, a rusted out '82, and a good '79 
chassis that was abandoned in a parking lot for two years. It has a lot 
of subtle development changes under the skin.

I had the inspiration, ideas for modification, and did a lot of the 
parts acquisition/coordination/detailing work to get the job done, only 
a little of the actual wrenching (I'm more comfortable building 
motorcycles). A local Ferrari/Alfa shop where one friend was the 
service manager and another the principal mechanic did a lot of the 
heavy lifting: dismantling all three cars, picking the mix of the best 
components, overhauling and upgrading the engine, and reassembling 
everything back into a running car.

Since the major work was completed in 1999, the principal mechanic 
friend and I have continued to develop and finesse the FrankenSpider 
project independent of the other shops. It's quite a nice little bugger 
to drive now and darn reliable. I've put about 30,000 miles on it since 
it rolled in 1999. It's definitely a smooth road car, however ... about 
3 of ground clearance under the engine guard and exhaust system means 
you only go down a rough road with great care.

Godfrey

Re: Where's Cotty?

On Apr 17, 2005, at 9:51 AM, Cotty wrote:
I don't
believe the US gets any of the diesel engined models.
GODDERS! Go find a TD5 Disco and you'll have an awesome machine. The
Freelander runs the TD$ as you know, boy if you could get a Freelander
TD5.
Not much I can do about getting a TD engine in the US. The Freelander 
imported here has the 2.5L V6 petrol engine and SportMatic 
transmission, that's it.

As I said, the Discovery is a larger vehicle than I needed/wanted. I 
can carry four passengers comfortably when I need to, and two people 
with more gear than I usually ever carry fit nicely in the Freelander. 
The Freelander fits perfectly in the same size parking space that my 
partner's Ford Escort or the BMW 330ci coupe I nearly bought does, and 
is far more useful than either... that's important.

Godfrey

Re: Where's Cotty?

On Apr 17, 2005, at 10:27 AM, Keith Whaley wrote:
A custom-built Alfa Romeo Spider is my other car ...  ;-)
  http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/vehicles/fs-3468.htm
Lovely machine!
My Alfa spyder was a Guiletta and was a '58!
Absolutely loved that car! If only they made one today...
I'll have to scan that one and make the image available...
Thank you.
1300 Guilietta Spider ... One of my buddies had one he bought while 
finishing his college degree. It got to the point where it needed too 
much work to be roadable and he didn't have the money at that time, so 
he rented a storage garage for it. The garage had a fire a few years 
later. Ed pulled the burned, scarred Guilietta out of the garage's 
wreckage, and decided that it didn't deserve to die. Luckily, most of 
the fire damage was at the other end of the garage.

He took it completely apart and started from there. Seven years' work 
later, he finished restoring the most beautiful Guilietta Spider I've 
ever driven. Truly one of the great sports cars of the 1950s, years 
ahead of anything else I've owned or driven from the '50s and '60s in 
terms of handling, brakes and suspension in the lightweight 
four-cylinder class, and still a stunning looker today. I'd love to see 
photos of yours.

Godfrey

Re: Where's Cotty?

On 17/4/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

I had it built from a wrecked '78, a rusted out '82, and a good '79 
chassis that was abandoned in a parking lot for two years. It has a lot 
of subtle development changes under the skin.

I had the inspiration, ideas for modification, and did a lot of the 
parts acquisition/coordination/detailing work to get the job done, only 
a little of the actual wrenching (I'm more comfortable building 
motorcycles). A local Ferrari/Alfa shop where one friend was the 
service manager and another the principal mechanic did a lot of the 
heavy lifting: dismantling all three cars, picking the mix of the best 
components, overhauling and upgrading the engine, and reassembling 
everything back into a running car.

Since the major work was completed in 1999, the principal mechanic 
friend and I have continued to develop and finesse the FrankenSpider 
project independent of the other shops. It's quite a nice little bugger 
to drive now and darn reliable. I've put about 30,000 miles on it since 
it rolled in 1999. It's definitely a smooth road car, however ... about 
3 of ground clearance under the engine guard and exhaust system means 
you only go down a rough road with great care.

Beautiful car. Well done. I'll bet it's your favourite to drive...

I occasionally dream of trying to pick up one of these...

http://website.lineone.net/~g27build/

http://www.cottageclassics.co.uk/Cars4Sale/ginetta/GinettaG27/GinettaG27.htm

or maybe the 4th one down in this list:

http://www.cottageclassics.co.uk/FreeAds/freeads.htm

Beautiful ;--)




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On Apr 17, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Cotty wrote:
Beautiful car. Well done. I'll bet it's your favourite to drive...
I occasionally dream of trying to pick up one of these...
http://website.lineone.net/~g27build/
http://www.cottageclassics.co.uk/Cars4Sale/ginetta/GinettaG27/ 
GinettaG27.htm
or maybe the 4th one down in this list:
http://www.cottageclassics.co.uk/FreeAds/freeads.htm
Beautiful ;--)
Yes, FrankenSpider is a treat to drive. I take it out pretty  
frequently, but the Freelander gets the bulk of daily grind use  
nowadays. For a while, it was my only car.

Ginettas are lovely. I've never seen one in the US ... just like the  
TVRs from about 1972 onwards, I see them only in the UK when I'm  
visiting.

Were I to have my druthers, what I'd like to have the chance to enjoy  
is a Lancia Fulvia Coupe. I've wanted one of those since I was 8 years  
old... There are some in the US but you have to hunt for them.

Godfrey

Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-17 Thread Graywolf

Let's see, Willys and Ford made jeeps. MB  GPW respectively. The Land Rover 
started as a modified jeep. Now Ford owns Land Rover.
So, how do you like your Ford, Cotty (grin)? 

graywolf
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Cotty wrote:
On 16/4/05, Keith Whaley, discombobulated, unleashed:

Uhhh, you're telling me, Rover as a CAR does not exist anymore? Nobody 
makes one? Of any kind?

Same for Land Rover? Are they going to have to recall Cotty's?  Oh dear!

Land Rover is a separate company and belongs to a certain USA manufacturer !!

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Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-17 Thread Graywolf

Are those still made out of wood?
graywolf
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All is not lost, Joe.  We still make ONE interesting car:
http://www.tvr-eng.co.uk/intro.html
John
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:15:55 -0600, Joseph Tainter  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I always thought that British cars up through the 1960s and even 
early  1970s were the most fun and interesting cars in the world.

Hence one of my perpetual problems: I tend to buy cars because I 
think  they are interesting. Guess what happens then.

When I was a kid in California in the 1960s, MG and Triumph were the  
cars to have. I did manage to get an MG 1100, which was a small sedan 
(a  bit bigger than a mini) rather than a sports car, but a whale of a 
lot  of fun to drive.

But the Japanese and Germans won because the British cars weren't  
reliable. Same for Fiat in the U.S. market. On my MG, I once went  
through five fuel pumps in ten months. I finally got rid of it when 
the  transmission went out -- at about 35,000 miles.

But I still haven't learned to stop buying cars because they are  
interesting.

Joe





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Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-17 Thread Graywolf

Ah '57 Super Spyder one of my dream cars. Was 2nd gear bulky on all of them?
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1300 Guilietta Spider ... 

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Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-17 Thread mike wilson

Cotty wrote:

I occasionally dream of trying to pick up one of these...
http://website.lineone.net/~g27build/
http://www.cottageclassics.co.uk/Cars4Sale/ginetta/GinettaG27/GinettaG27.htm
or maybe the 4th one down in this list:
http://www.cottageclassics.co.uk/FreeAds/freeads.htm
I had the third one down. Registered YOB 285 8-)

Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-17 Thread John Francis

Cotty mused:
 
 Land Rovers are my vehicle of choice. Since 1985, I've owned:
 
 4 X Range Rover Classics
 1X Series 1
 1X Series 2a
 1X Ninety
 1X One Ten

Eight vehicles in 20 years?  That's not much of a recommendation.


In roughly that time I've had *one* vehicle (1986 Mustang GT),
and my wife has had four (1983 Datsun Maxima wagon, 1990 Ford
Aerostar EX (4wd), 1990 Range Rover (bought used in 1994), and
currently a 2003 Mini.  And that's without anybody providing
us with a company vehicle.

Compared to the others the Range Rover was expensive to run,
 far less reliable (a problem back east, where we were over
an hour drive from the nearest authorised repair station).

Admittedly it was also the only vehicle we had capable of
reliably towing a 2500lb un-braked trailer, and of getting
to some of the more inaccessible campsites (my wife was a
Girl Scout leader, and the Range Rover was our emergency
vehicle when we took the girls off-road camping).

Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-17 Thread mike wilson

Graywolf wrote:
Are those still made out of wood?
graywolf
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John Forbes wrote:
All is not lost, Joe.  We still make ONE interesting car:
http://www.tvr-eng.co.uk/intro.html
You're thinking of Morgans.  And yes, they are.  Seven year waiting list 
at the last count.

mike

Re: Where's Cotty?

You're thinking of Morgans.  And yes, they are.  Seven year waiting 
list at the last count.
TVRs never used wood for anything structural, only interior details and 
such.
Morgans use wood framing for the body panels, not the chassis.

Godfrey

Re: Where's Cotty?

On Apr 17, 2005, at 12:48 PM, Graywolf wrote:
Ah '57 Super Spyder one of my dream cars. Was 2nd gear bulky on all of 
them?
Spider ... there is no y in Italian. Not sure which Alfa Romeo you 
are referring to, I've not heard of any of them referred to as the 
Super Spider.

The Guilietta and derivative 4-cylinder series Alfas have all had 
similar gearbox design, and I think even the Alfetta and derivative 
transaxle cars have a very similar gear cluster. I presume you are 
referring to the second gear synchro wear problems, derivative from the 
weight of the gear cluster. I would expect that most take benefit in 
synchro wear from lightening the gear cluster. I had that done to 
FrankenSpider's gearbox ... sure makes a difference in shifting speed 
too.

Godfrey

Re: Where's Cotty?

On 17/4/05, Graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed:

So, how do you like your Ford, Cotty (grin)? 

Ain't no damn Ford badge on my motor, tosh!




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Re: Where's Cotty?

On 17/4/05, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:

 4 X Range Rover Classics
 1X Series 1
 1X Series 2a
 1X Ninety
 1X One Ten

Eight vehicles in 20 years?  That's not much of a recommendation.

It's called 'youth' !

I wanted all at once really, but couldn't afford that, so I rented them.

Kinda like beer, really.




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Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-17 Thread Keith Whaley


Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
You're thinking of Morgans.  And yes, they are.  Seven year waiting 
list at the last count.

TVRs never used wood for anything structural, only interior details and 
such.
Morgans use wood framing for the body panels, not the chassis.

Godfrey
The last I heard, which admittedly was SOME time ago, was that they used 
oak for the ladder frame members, or at least the interior of them, 
because it gave the stiffness they needed, with a suitable amount of 
springiness...without yield.
Everybody admits the ol' Morgan has a STIFF chassis!

keith

OT: Lancia Fulvia (was: Re: Where's Cotty?)

2005-04-17 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda

Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Were I to have my druthers, what I'd like to have the chance
to enjoy  
 is a Lancia Fulvia Coupe. I've wanted one of those since I was
8 years  
 old... There are some in the US but you have to hunt for them.
 

Wooohooo!! 
A Lancia fan!

When I was 9 yo my father followed my mother's advice (probably
first and last time...) and bought a 2nd hand Lancia Beta saloon
(almost brand new, I guess it was less than 2 years old). A
great car, very comfortable, and with that nice 1970s touch...
Too bad he let it got rusty without using it for too long before
I and my brother got the driving license... Even then, it was
enjoyable. I drove it just few times before the sad end.
Recently I found another one, a 3rd series - hopefully more
resistent - and I'm in the mood to buy it in a rush...
It's a pity that among the vintage cars the ordinary, saloon
bodies are the more neglected ones. There are several models
that I'm not able to see anymore, and I'm talking about cars
sold in hundreds of thousands of units. There are still few
Fulvia Coupé running around here, though...
Hope for the future:
http://www.carsfromitaly.com/lancia/concepts/fulvietta.html
:-)

Ciao,

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Re: Where's Cotty?

On Apr 17, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Keith Whaley wrote:
Morgans use wood framing for the body panels, not the chassis.
The last I heard, which admittedly was SOME time ago, was that they 
used oak for the ladder frame members, or at least the interior of 
them, because it gave the stiffness they needed, with a suitable 
amount of springiness...without yield.
That's the myth, not the reality. It was never true.
I worked on a lot of Morgans of all ages when I worked as a mechanic 
for a British car specialist in the early 1970s. None of the chassis 
were ever made of wood, or ever had wood incorporated into them. It was 
the body framing and some of the body support structure that had wood 
framing.

Everybody admits the ol' Morgan has a STIFF chassis!
Stiff suspension, yes. The old ladder type frames are, um, springy. ;-)
Godfrey

Re: Where's Cotty?

2005-04-17 Thread Keith Whaley


Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Apr 17, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Keith Whaley wrote:
Morgans use wood framing for the body panels, not the chassis.

The last I heard, which admittedly was SOME time ago, was that they 
used oak for the ladder frame members, or at least the interior of 
them, because it gave the stiffness they needed, with a suitable 
amount of springiness...without yield.

That's the myth, not the reality. It was never true.
Okay. Could well be.
I worked on a lot of Morgans of all ages when I worked as a mechanic for 
a British car specialist in the early 1970s. None of the chassis were 
ever made of wood, or ever had wood incorporated into them. It was the 
body framing and some of the body support structure that had wood framing.

Everybody admits the ol' Morgan has a STIFF chassis!

Stiff suspension, yes. The old ladder type frames are, um, springy. ;-)
Godfrey
I was led to believe it referred to torsional rigidity. Articles which 
discussed the Morgan's handling specifically mentioned just that. Which 
is not particularly applicable to suspension members. The torsion of the 
frame, and it's response are quite different from suspension (individual 
wheel) actions.

Not in any way meant to denigrate your contentions, Godfrey.
Certainly you have a far better handle than most of us here. Perhaps all 
of us here...

But, I guess *not* owning a 2 litre Morgan all these years must have 
turned my brain to mush! Tha't's realistic too, wouldn't you say?  ;-)

Thanks for the comments,
keith whaley

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