Re: Very Cheap Adone (Photoshop) licenses - is this legal?

[Rob Studdert]

On 1 April 2013 08:09, John Sessoms  wrote:

> Since I first built it, it has gone from Windows95 to Windoze98 to
> WindozeNT 4.0 to WindozeXP Pro - ALL OEM versions.

Hi John,

What you say has been my experience also but from Vista onwards it's a
different story, the software is serial number conscious, so it takes
quite a bit more work to manage a seamless transition to different
hardware (assuming that you wish to retain the current app software
installation).

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Re: Very Cheap Adone (Photoshop) licenses - is this legal?

[John Sessoms]

From: Aahz Maruch

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013, John Sessoms wrote:


I was able to buy Windoze 7 Pro 64-bit OEM version when I was building
my new Photoshop computer last year.


My strong recommendation is to avoid OEM Windows if there's any
likelihood you'll change the hardware significantly before changing
Windows versions (or if you're planning to run Windows in a VM).
Microsoft is much stickier about transferring licenses around with OEM
copies.


Maybe they are, but I have not found that to be true. The only real
difference with OEM Windoze is Microsoft does not provide product
support. You get your product support from the OEM.

I build my own computers. I *am* the OEM.

I use this computer for goofing off on the Internet. It's about 15 years
old. I rebuild it whenever I have to.

Since I first built it, it has gone from Windows95 to Windoze98 to
WindozeNT 4.0 to WindozeXP Pro - ALL OEM versions.

Along the way it's been through several hard drives (starting at 850MB)
& at least 3 motherboards (including a switch over from Intel to AMD).

The current installation of WindozeXP Pro was on the system with the
last motherboard change and was cloned over to the current 250GB drive
in a FAT32 partition.

I have had to "RE-register" a couple of times. Mostly, I've not had any
problems doing so.

The only problem I've ever had with Microsoft was I misplaced the (OEM
product key) certificate when I moved back home from school & had to
download a product key hacker to extract it before I could convert the
current drive partition to NTFS.



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Re: Very Cheap Adone (Photoshop) licenses - is this legal?

[Aahz Maruch]

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013, John Sessoms wrote:
> 
> I was able to buy Windoze 7 Pro 64-bit OEM version when I was building
> my new Photoshop computer last year.

My strong recommendation is to avoid OEM Windows if there's any
likelihood you'll change the hardware significantly before changing
Windows versions (or if you're planning to run Windows in a VM).
Microsoft is much stickier about transferring licenses around with OEM
copies.
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Re: Very Cheap Adone (Photoshop) licenses - is this legal?

[Jens]

Thanks very much all.
I have now decided to either simply purchase a normal CS6 licens or to 
subscribe to a single app Creative Cloud membershib - directly from (real) 
Adobe :-) T.

Regardshe latter is a little expensive over time, but then I'm always updated 
with the latest Photoshop version :-)

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On Mar 30, 2013 19:42 "John Sessoms"  wrote:
> From: Mark Roberts
> > David Parsons wrote:
> >> OEM software means that you buy the software with hardware.  It's
> >> legal to buy in the US too.  The website though is a total scam.
> >>
> >> One thing that legit sellers used to do back in the day was to
> >> sell
> >> you OEM versions of Office or Windows with a fan or blank drive
> >> panel,
> >> or even a screw.  This was a long time ago, and that doesn't
> >> happen
> >> anymore.
> >
> > Plus, I don't think Adobe *ever* did OEM software. When did anyone
> > ever buy a computer with Photoshop pre-installed?
> 
> Some earlier versions of Photoshop might have come bundled or
> preloaded.
> 
> When I bought my Nikon CoolScan IV ED, Adobe Photoshop 5 Limited
> Edition
> came bundled with it. Came in the box as a CD since the CoolScan
> didn't
> have any capacity to have software preloaded on it.
> 
> It was not upgradable to Photoshop 7 when I bought that version in
> 2004,
> but I don't know if that was because it was too far down-level by the
> time I wanted to upgrade or if it had never been upgradable.
> 
> Seems to me it *should* have been upgradable to the regular version
> of
> Photoshop 5 while that was still the current version, which should
> then
> subsequently have been upgradable to Photoshop 6, Photoshop 7
> 
> ... but I don't know if it ever was.
> 
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Re: Very Cheap Adone (Photoshop) licenses - is this legal?

[John Sessoms]

From: Mark Roberts

David Parsons wrote:

OEM software means that you buy the software with hardware.  It's
legal to buy in the US too.  The website though is a total scam.

One thing that legit sellers used to do back in the day was to sell
you OEM versions of Office or Windows with a fan or blank drive panel,
or even a screw.  This was a long time ago, and that doesn't happen
anymore.


Plus, I don't think Adobe *ever* did OEM software. When did anyone
ever buy a computer with Photoshop pre-installed?


Some earlier versions of Photoshop might have come bundled or preloaded.

When I bought my Nikon CoolScan IV ED, Adobe Photoshop 5 Limited Edition
came bundled with it. Came in the box as a CD since the CoolScan didn't
have any capacity to have software preloaded on it.

It was not upgradable to Photoshop 7 when I bought that version in 2004,
but I don't know if that was because it was too far down-level by the
time I wanted to upgrade or if it had never been upgradable.

Seems to me it *should* have been upgradable to the regular version of
Photoshop 5 while that was still the current version, which should then
subsequently have been upgradable to Photoshop 6, Photoshop 7

... but I don't know if it ever was.

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Re: Very Cheap Adone (Photoshop) licenses - is this legal?

[John Sessoms]

You can still do that. It's more common to buy OEM Windoze along with a
hard-drive or a mother board rather than such minor parts.

I was able to buy Windoze 7 Pro 64-bit OEM version when I was building
my new Photoshop computer last year.

From: David Parsons

OEM software means that you buy the software with hardware.  It's
legal to buy in the US too.  The website though is a total scam.

One thing that legit sellers used to do back in the day was to sell
you OEM versions of Office or Windows with a fan or blank drive panel,
or even a screw.  This was a long time ago, and that doesn't happen
anymore.

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Bob W  wrote:

From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jens

Hi guys
I saw this by chance:
http://www.websoft.ws/pages/FAQ.html
Could this be legal?

Regards
Jens


it probably depends on where you are. I think that in the EU it's ok to buy
OEM software (disclaimer: this is an opinion - not legal advice!).

However, whether the software advertised as OEM really is, or whether it's a
pirate copy, or whether there is any software at all rather than just a
means of taking your credit card details, is something else entirely.

Caveat emptor.



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RE: OT: Very Cheap Adone (Photoshop) licenses - is this legal?

[John Sessoms]

From: "Jens"

Hi guys
I saw this by chance:
http://www.websoft.ws/pages/FAQ.html
Could this be legal?

Regards
Jens


Probably not in the USA. It might not be illegal in the Eurozone.

You might get usable software or you might not. You certainly won't get
support from Adobe & you probably won't have any leverage to get your
money back if it turns out to be a rip off.

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Re: Very Cheap Adone (Photoshop) licenses - is this legal?

[Paul Stenquist]

The Epson V500 scanner I bought last week came with a PC version of Elements 
10. I gave the disc to my daughter who has a PC.
Paul
On Mar 29, 2013, at 11:24 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:

> Quoting steve harley :
> 
>> on 2013-03-29 19:13 Mark Roberts wrote
>>> Plus, I don't think Adobe *ever* did OEM software. When did anyone
>>> ever buy a computer with Photoshop pre-installed?
>> 
>> they do very little OEM, but they do some; i got the full version of 
>> Photoshop 5.5 with my Umax Astra 6400 scanner, and a full version of Acrobat 
>> Pro 8 with my Scansnap s1500m
> 
> 
> Yeah - when I bought my scanner, it came with PS Elements 1.0 (which shows 
> how old my scanner is)
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Very Cheap Adone (Photoshop) licenses - is this legal?

[Brian Walters]

Quoting steve harley :


on 2013-03-29 19:13 Mark Roberts wrote

Plus, I don't think Adobe *ever* did OEM software. When did anyone
ever buy a computer with Photoshop pre-installed?


they do very little OEM, but they do some; i got the full version of  
Photoshop 5.5 with my Umax Astra 6400 scanner, and a full version of  
Acrobat Pro 8 with my Scansnap s1500m



Yeah - when I bought my scanner, it came with PS Elements 1.0 (which  
shows how old my scanner is)




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Re: Very Cheap Adone (Photoshop) licenses - is this legal?

[steve harley]

on 2013-03-29 19:13 Mark Roberts wrote

Plus, I don't think Adobe *ever* did OEM software. When did anyone
ever buy a computer with Photoshop pre-installed?


they do very little OEM, but they do some; i got the full version of Photoshop 
5.5 with my Umax Astra 6400 scanner, and a full version of Acrobat Pro 8 with 
my Scansnap s1500m



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Re: Very Cheap Adone (Photoshop) licenses - is this legal?

[Mark Roberts]

David Parsons wrote:

>OEM software means that you buy the software with hardware.  It's
>legal to buy in the US too.  The website though is a total scam.
>
>One thing that legit sellers used to do back in the day was to sell
>you OEM versions of Office or Windows with a fan or blank drive panel,
>or even a screw.  This was a long time ago, and that doesn't happen
>anymore.

Plus, I don't think Adobe *ever* did OEM software. When did anyone
ever buy a computer with Photoshop pre-installed?
 
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Re: Very Cheap Adone (Photoshop) licenses - is this legal?

[David Parsons]

OEM software means that you buy the software with hardware.  It's
legal to buy in the US too.  The website though is a total scam.

One thing that legit sellers used to do back in the day was to sell
you OEM versions of Office or Windows with a fan or blank drive panel,
or even a screw.  This was a long time ago, and that doesn't happen
anymore.

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jens
>>
>> Hi guys
>> I saw this by chance:
>> http://www.websoft.ws/pages/FAQ.html
>> Could this be legal?
>>
>> Regards
>> Jens
>
> it probably depends on where you are. I think that in the EU it's ok to buy
> OEM software (disclaimer: this is an opinion - not legal advice!).
>
> However, whether the software advertised as OEM really is, or whether it's a
> pirate copy, or whether there is any software at all rather than just a
> means of taking your credit card details, is something else entirely.
>
> Caveat emptor.
>
> B
>
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Re: {SPAM 06.9} OT: Very Cheap Adone (Photoshop) licenses - is this legal?

[steve harley]

on 2013-03-29 14:38 Jens wrote

Hi guys
I saw this by chance:
http://www.websoft.ws/pages/FAQ.html
Could this be legal?


pretends to be Adobe website; support phone number associated with credit card 
fraud:




very poor rating at web of trust:



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Re: OT: Very Cheap Adone (Photoshop) licenses - is this legal?

[Darren Addy]

I'm reminded of the old chestnut "If it sounds too good to be true, it
probably IS."


On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> On Mar 29, 2013, at 15:38 , Jens  wrote:
>
>> Hi guys
>> I saw this by chance:
>> http://www.websoft.ws/pages/FAQ.html
>> Could this be legal?
>>
>
> Samoan top-level domain?
>
> "Whois" points to an address in the British Virgin Isles?
>
> Oh, I'm sure it's all 100% legit!
>
>  -Charles
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RE: Very Cheap Adone (Photoshop) licenses - is this legal?

[Bob W]

> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jens
> 
> Hi guys
> I saw this by chance:
> http://www.websoft.ws/pages/FAQ.html
> Could this be legal?
> 
> Regards
> Jens

it probably depends on where you are. I think that in the EU it's ok to buy
OEM software (disclaimer: this is an opinion - not legal advice!). 

However, whether the software advertised as OEM really is, or whether it's a
pirate copy, or whether there is any software at all rather than just a
means of taking your credit card details, is something else entirely.

Caveat emptor.

B


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Re: OT: Very Cheap Adone (Photoshop) licenses - is this legal?

[Charles Robinson]

On Mar 29, 2013, at 15:38 , Jens  wrote:

> Hi guys
> I saw this by chance:
> http://www.websoft.ws/pages/FAQ.html 
> Could this be legal?
> 

Samoan top-level domain?

"Whois" points to an address in the British Virgin Isles?

Oh, I'm sure it's all 100% legit!

 -Charles

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OT: Very Cheap Adone (Photoshop) licenses - is this legal?

[Jens]

Hi guys
I saw this by chance:
http://www.websoft.ws/pages/FAQ.html 
Could this be legal?

Regards
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