Re: ZX-L and Pentax Metering

2002-05-07 Thread dick graham

If one brings his or her right thumb up along side the viewfinder of the 
ZX-5n while shooting it helps one see the exposure info much more 
clearly.  The 5n is a great camera, I would recommend it without hesitation.

DG




At 04:43 PM 5/6/02 -0600, you wrote:
Nitin is right. I forgot that the 5n also has center-weighted and spot
metering.

I'm very anxious to see a 5n replacement. As it is, I can't recommend
the camera (as I've noted here several times). In bright sunlight (most
of my shooting) one can't see the exposure information in the
viewfinder, and it's not duplicated on the external lcd.

The 5n replacement will presumably fix this problem, and probably add
some other goodies, like pentax functions. I'm looking forward to seeing
it. I hope they put aperture priority on the body.

Joe
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Re: ZX-L and Pentax Metering

2002-05-06 Thread Joseph Tainter

Nitin is right. I forgot that the 5n also has center-weighted and spot
metering.

I'm very anxious to see a 5n replacement. As it is, I can't recommend
the camera (as I've noted here several times). In bright sunlight (most
of my shooting) one can't see the exposure information in the
viewfinder, and it's not duplicated on the external lcd.

The 5n replacement will presumably fix this problem, and probably add
some other goodies, like pentax functions. I'm looking forward to seeing
it. I hope they put aperture priority on the body.

Joe
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ZX-L and Pentax Metering

2002-05-05 Thread Joseph Tainter

Shutterbug describes the ZX-L as a 5n replacement. Peterson's reviews it
in their current issue and calls it a ZX-7 replacement. Huh?

Of course, it comes only with program metering. No center-weighted or
spot. Peterson's, who never say anything bad about a product, noted that
their review ZX-L tends slightly to overexpose slide film. On a hopeful
note they said that they had a pre-production model, and maybe the
production models would get it right. It sounds to me like the
continuing overexposure problem that has plagued Pentax's program
metering for slide film.

I'd like to be able to recommend Pentax to others. But the MZ-S is the
only model now in production that includes other metering modes. How can
I recommend Pentax to those who want a moderately-priced body knowing
that, when the person eventually tries some slide film, the meter will
overexpose?

Why won't Pentax fix this?

I always use the PZ-1p and MZ-S on center-weighted, and almost never get
a badly exposed shot.

Joe
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Re: ZX-L and Pentax Metering

2002-05-05 Thread Nitin Garg

On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 02:43:51PM -0600, Joseph Tainter wrote:
 Shutterbug describes the ZX-L as a 5n replacement. Peterson's reviews it
 in their current issue and calls it a ZX-7 replacement. Huh?
 
 Of course, it comes only with program metering. No center-weighted or
 spot. 

This has been said before and everytime somebody corrected it to the
contrary. It has both center and spot.

 
 I'd like to be able to recommend Pentax to others. But the MZ-S is the
 only model now in production that includes other metering modes. How can

5n has center and spot too no ?
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Re: ZX-L and Pentax Metering

2002-05-05 Thread Kristian Walsh

The MZ-6 (ZX-6/ZX-L) is a replacement for the MZ-7, just as the MZ-60 is 
a replacement for the MZ-30 (btw, does anyone know if the MZ-60 adds the 
aperture coupling required to properly use non-FA lenses?)

The MZ-5n and MZ-3 are still being produced, and feature centre-weighted 
and spot metering. As the MZ-3 is not available in the US, that leaves 
you with a choice between the ZX-5n and MZ-S.

I suspect that there may be a replacement for the 5n coming soon, as 
it's now the oldest model in the range. To my mind, the MZ-6 is not that 
replacement, though...

--
Kristian


On Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 09:43  pm, Joseph Tainter wrote:

 Shutterbug describes the ZX-L as a 5n replacement. Peterson's reviews it
 in their current issue and calls it a ZX-7 replacement. Huh?

 Of course, it comes only with program metering. No center-weighted or
 spot. Peterson's, who never say anything bad about a product, noted that
 their review ZX-L tends slightly to overexpose slide film. On a hopeful
 note they said that they had a pre-production model, and maybe the
 production models would get it right. It sounds to me like the
 continuing overexposure problem that has plagued Pentax's program
 metering for slide film.

 I'd like to be able to recommend Pentax to others. But the MZ-S is the
 only model now in production that includes other metering modes. How can
 I recommend Pentax to those who want a moderately-priced body knowing
 that, when the person eventually tries some slide film, the meter will
 overexpose?

 Why won't Pentax fix this?

 I always use the PZ-1p and MZ-S on center-weighted, and almost never get
 a badly exposed shot.

 Joe
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Re: ZX-L and Pentax Metering

2002-05-05 Thread Bill D. Casselberry

Joseph Tainter wrote:
 
 I'd like to be able to recommend Pentax to others. But the MZ-S 
 is the only model now in production that includes other metering 
 modes. How can I recommend Pentax to those who want a moderately
 priced body knowing that, when the person eventually tries some 
 slide film, the meter will overexpose?

My Humble Opinion :

These days, for color, the predominant emulsion is C-41 due
to the proliferation of minilabs on every streetcorner. The
days of the discriminating amatuer using E-6 in substantial
numbers are long gone. One is hard-pressed to even find on-spot
E-6 processing except in major metropolitan centers' pro labs
nowadays. Pentax has merely moved w/ the times and set the
default metering sensitvities toward what the masses are using.

Any serious slide shooter will zero-in their metering anyway
and use the tried  true ASA adjustment method to bring the
auto-metering into compliance w/ their tastes - or at least one 
would hope they would know to do this should initial results 
from the factory be lacking.

Bill

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RE: ZX-L and Pentax Metering

2002-05-05 Thread Ron Bhanukitsiri

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On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 02:43:51PM -0600, Joseph Tainter wrote:
 Shutterbug describes the ZX-L as a 5n replacement. Peterson's reviews it
 in their current issue and calls it a ZX-7 replacement. Huh?

 Of course, it comes only with program metering. No center-weighted or
 spot.

This has been said before and everytime somebody corrected it to the
contrary. It has both center and spot.

Well, I've read the manual and it appears that the ZX-L can have
multi-segment
or spot metering.  Worse off, it can only be switched by using the customed
function to program the AE lock.  This means that when I use AE lock, I can
only have multi-segment or spot.  Also, there seems to be no way to switch
to center-weighted metering unless I use a non FA, F, or A lens, i.e. older
M and K lenses!  This is bad news for an old center-weighted timer like me
:-(.
Umm, another control taken away from the user.  I suppose the tyro doesn't
use or need the various metering modes :-(.  I just check the ZX-7 user
manual
and it appears that there is no metering modes selection at all.

Fortunatley, the ZX-5n (and MZ-3?) has all three metering modes, as well as
the MZ-S and the good old PZ-1p ;-).

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Ron B[ee]
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Re: Re: ZX-L and Pentax Metering

2002-05-05 Thread Lawrence Kwan

On Sun, 5 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So I guess we'll know which one it replaces when we see which one they
 discontinue first.

It's official - ZX-L/MZ-L/MZ-6 is a replacement for ZX-7/MZ-7.
In Japanese Pentax web site, MZ-7 is no longer listed - i.e. it has been
discontinued.

http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/product/camera/index.html

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