Re: welcome the pentax q
Wait a year and you'll be able to buy the whole kit for $500. Wait five years and you'll be able to buy the whole kit for $250. Wait 25 years and you'll be able to buy the whole kit for $2000. Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time http://gallery.me.com/jomac On Jun 23, 2011, at 14:48 , Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I remember a number of posts pleading for a digital version of the Petnax 110 camera -- a camera with an image area too small to be of much practical use. A camera that used interchangeable lenses with leaf shutters. I remember it, too. My memory is less clear about the part where they pleaded for it to cost 800 dollars. ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q
From: Darren Addy On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:54 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: If it's done with in camera software, maybe there will be a Bokeh plug-in for PhotoShop someday. Perhaps someday. http://www.alienskin.com/bokeh/index.aspx : ) Kool! Now if I can just find someone to lend me a copy. ;) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1513/3722 - Release Date: 06/23/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:14:25AM +0530, Subash wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxQ/ the world's smallest interchangeable lens camera :) Ho hum. Not for me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/23/2011 07:44, Subash wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxQ/ the world's smallest interchangeable lens camera :) Until someone comes up with a special model of a cell phone where camera lens can be interchanged... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q (with sample photos)
On Jun 22, 2011, at 10:30 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually intrigued by this. Cheers, Christine http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA7.HTM It looks surprisingly nice at ISO 125, though at high ISO they've got a metric assload of noise reduction, making me suspect that the image is an in camera jpeg rather than raw. My initial reaction is total disinterest based solely on sensor size. Then again, three years ago I thought that a 24x36 sensor was necessary for the performance of the K-5. When the mac was introduced the User Interface was several years ahead of affordable silicon with the processing power needed to run it, so by the time that processor technology caught up, they pretty much owned the market of folks who needed/wanted that style of UI. I suspect that Pentax has done something similar here. Silicon is on the ragged edge of being able to support sensor sizes that small and still get acceptable quality, but in a few years when sensor technology catches up, they'll have had a big head start in this niche market. My FZ50 did fine at low ISO, and it seems from the sample shots the Q will also. When it comes to low ISO, I was happy for decades never shooting over ISO 400, and usually shooting ISO 25-125. I will do my best to keep an open mind about this camera. It doesn't immediately threaten my fiscal responsibility, but I can see potential uses for it. The sensor 1/2.3 is a little bit smaller than the powershot G12 1/1.7 (WTF is it with these bizzare fractional inch sensor sizes, why not just use mm?), so I can see it as a compact with interchangeable lenses, rather than a primary camera with a minuscule sensor. My money is on Godfrey I shot with a Minox for years DiGiorgi to be the first on the list with one. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q
On Jun 23, 2011, at 10:34 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: I don't think there's a hope in hell that this is going to allow K mount, (or 645, or 67), lenses to be mounted. When they said it was a digital Auto 110, they meant the combined aperture shutter mechanism, except that they don't need the mirror, oh and each lens will have one, (rather than one in the body)... Ok, I expect that Pentax wants to sell only /new/ lenses for this little beast. Based on the lens prices announced so far they'll be /relatively/ inexpensive. Since it is based on having the shutter mechanism in the lens, maybe they'll have adapters to use Hasselblad glass. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q (with sample photos)
On 6/23/2011 11:32, Larry Colen wrote: I will do my best to keep an open mind about this camera. It doesn't immediately threaten my fiscal responsibility, but I can see potential uses for it. The sensor 1/2.3 is a little bit smaller than the powershot G12 1/1.7 (WTF is it with these bizzare fractional inch sensor sizes, why not just use mm?), so I can see it as a compact with interchangeable lenses, rather than a primary camera with a minuscule sensor. My money is on Godfrey I shot with a Minox for years DiGiorgi to be the first on the list with one. As we know, Godfrey has changed his middle name just recently to Ricoh GXR. Even most initial look at few RAW files that he generously sent me shows that this little camera has a good chance to land in Israel as well. Pentax Q does not stand such a chance. In fact, while I understand that Pentax is marketing driven and obviously they knew what they were doing, it saddens me to realize that money, effort, production facilities, etc were put into development of Pentax Q. My mind is open about Pentax Q. But my credit card is open elsewhere, so to say. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/pentaxq_1a_800.jpg http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA.HTM They already have some samples up and I think it look quite good. Stig Vidar hovland Fra: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] p#229; vegne av P. J. Alling [webstertwenty...@gmail.com] Sendt: 23. juni 2011 19:28 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: welcome the pentax q I wonder what kind of IQ they've managed to coax out of the sensor. If Pentax has managed to work some of the K-r/K05 magic on the Q, it might even be competitive. Based on DPReview's preview the design seems to be a bit schizophrenic, controls aimed at an enthusiast audience, with a sensor aimed at the PS crowd, almost the reverse of the Sony NEX. Oh well, I guess this will be hashed out tomorrow. Maybe the sample pictures will surprise, when they are finally released, but physics is physics, so probably not. Supposedly Pentax was going to announce two Mirrorless cameras this year, according to some rumors. I can't say I was looking forward to either with anticipation, but now I think I'm looking forward with dread. On 6/23/2011 12:44 AM, Subash wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxQ/ the world's smallest interchangeable lens camera :) -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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call me silly but I think it will be interesting to many 2011/6/23 SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/pentaxq_1a_800.jpg http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA.HTM They already have some samples up and I think it look quite good. Stig Vidar hovland Fra: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] p#229; vegne av P. J. Alling [webstertwenty...@gmail.com] Sendt: 23. juni 2011 19:28 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: welcome the pentax q I wonder what kind of IQ they've managed to coax out of the sensor. If Pentax has managed to work some of the K-r/K05 magic on the Q, it might even be competitive. Based on DPReview's preview the design seems to be a bit schizophrenic, controls aimed at an enthusiast audience, with a sensor aimed at the PS crowd, almost the reverse of the Sony NEX. Oh well, I guess this will be hashed out tomorrow. Maybe the sample pictures will surprise, when they are finally released, but physics is physics, so probably not. Supposedly Pentax was going to announce two Mirrorless cameras this year, according to some rumors. I can't say I was looking forward to either with anticipation, but now I think I'm looking forward with dread. On 6/23/2011 12:44 AM, Subash wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxQ/ the world's smallest interchangeable lens camera :) -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/23/2011 14:05, Ecke PDML wrote: call me silly but I think it will be interesting to many Ecke, you're silly... Here. You have it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q (with sample photos)
- Original Message - From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:39 AM Subject: Re: welcome the pentax q (with sample photos) On 6/23/2011 08:30, Christine Aguila wrote: Can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually intrigued by this. Cheers, Christine http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA7.HTM I can't believe you're saying this either, Christine ;-). (-- Sorry Bob, smiley is a must here) Just because I'm intrigued doesn't mean I'll purchase the camera. Still, it's interesting to see these little cameras and lenses. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mmm this is clearly not a camera for most (if not all) of us. This is for a different market (imo; Japan). An APS-C mirrorless by Pentax is coming soon. Wait for around september. This will be something for us. 2011/6/23 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: On 6/23/2011 14:05, Ecke PDML wrote: call me silly but I think it will be interesting to many Ecke, you're silly... Here. You have it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Really Folks, it's a pretty certain they are releasing a more serious mirrorless in the fall that is clearly the their DSLRs with K mount lenses. I also remind myself of two things when I see somethign like this: 1. I thought colors were stupid too. 2. I have not faith in Pentax Marketing. I'm less sure about Hoya, however. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/23/2011 08:15, Darren Addy wrote: And may I just say: A 5.5x crop factor? In my book it is a major disappointment. As much as I'd love to have a smaller camera, it is most unlikely to be this one... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q (with sample photos)
I could never get this Christine. I always lose my keys. (Damn but it's small . . .) On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually intrigued by this. Cheers, Christine http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA7.HTM - Original Message - From: Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 11:44 PM Subject: welcome the pentax q http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxQ/ the world's smallest interchangeable lens camera :) -- regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q
I remember a number of posts pleading for a digital version of the Petnax 110 camera -- a camera with an image area too small to be of much practical use. A camera that used interchangeable lenses with leaf shutters. Hmmm, sounds like the Q;-). Paul On Jun 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Really Folks, it's a pretty certain they are releasing a more serious mirrorless in the fall that is clearly the their DSLRs with K mount lenses. I also remind myself of two things when I see somethign like this: 1. I thought colors were stupid too. 2. I have not faith in Pentax Marketing. I'm less sure about Hoya, however. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/23/2011 08:15, Darren Addy wrote: And may I just say: A 5.5x crop factor? In my book it is a major disappointment. As much as I'd love to have a smaller camera, it is most unlikely to be this one... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q
From: Subash http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxQ/ the world's smallest interchangeable lens camera :) Finally a digital to fill the Auto-110 niche. I like it. Can't afford it, but I like it. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3721 - Release Date: 06/23/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q
From: Darren Addy I think it looks incredibly cheap (except it's anything but). And may I just say: A 5.5x crop factor? That would make an 10mm focal length lens the 35mm equiv. of 55mm. (Yes, I got an A in math). Hope you don't like wide angle! I don't see how crop factor is even relevant in a camera that doesn't use K-mount lenses. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3721 - Release Date: 06/23/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q (with sample photos)
On Jun 22, 2011, at 10:30 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually intrigued by this. Cheers, Christine http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA7.HTM It's a dead link this morning. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3721 - Release Date: 06/23/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q (with sample photos)
Indeed! I know what you mean, Steve, but miniatures intrigue me. If the Q series does, indeed, come to North America, and if any of the camera stores in my area decide to carry it, I will go check it out. I've seen the pictures, so I've visualized the size, but I'd very much like to hold it in hand and see what the pictures are like. And it will be interesting if the mirrorless K series does, in fact, break for fall. I'll check that out as well. It's all getting interesting, but I doubt I'll invest any money in these two lines. Cheers, Christine From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com I could never get this Christine. I always lose my keys. (Damn but it's small . . .) On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA7.HTM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q (with sample photos)
Here it is: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA.HTM The key chain shots are very funny. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:08 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: On Jun 22, 2011, at 10:30 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually intrigued by this. Cheers, Christine http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA7.HTM It's a dead link this morning. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3721 - Release Date: 06/23/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q (with sample photos)
But there are no more sample shots anymore. I saw them in the morning from my phone but it's not there anymore. Anyway probably it wasn't the Pentax Q shots as all the shots were 6 Megapixel only :) .t On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 13:11 -0400, Steven Desjardins wrote: Here it is: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA.HTM The key chain shots are very funny. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:08 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: On Jun 22, 2011, at 10:30 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually intrigued by this. Cheers, Christine http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA7.HTM It's a dead link this morning. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3721 - Release Date: 06/23/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q (with sample photos)
- Original Message - From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:11 PM Subject: Re: welcome the pentax q (with sample photos) Here it is: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA.HTM The key chain shots are very funny. Funnier still was the shot with the Pentax 540 or 360 flash on top of the Pentax Q (scroll down)--not funny as in *making fun of*--- just funny to see a camera so top heavy. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q
At $800, they are crazy! And 'Toy' lenses??? Attention collectors: buy one before you hear the thud in the marketplace. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:38 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Subash http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxQ/ the world's smallest interchangeable lens camera :) Finally a digital to fill the Auto-110 niche. I like it. Can't afford it, but I like it. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3721 - Release Date: 06/23/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:54 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I don't see how crop factor is even relevant in a camera that doesn't use K-mount lenses. This comment confuses me. Crop factor is relevant because most people don't think in Field of View. They think in 35mm camera focal length equivalents. Pentax obviously thinks it is relevant, which is why their Q lenses have both the actual focal length printed on the front and also the 35mm camera focal length equivalent (which is the focal length of the lens multipled by the crop factor). Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:54 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I don't see how crop factor is even relevant in a camera that doesn't use K-mount lenses. This comment confuses me. Crop factor is relevant because most people don't think in Field of View. They think in 35mm camera focal length equivalents. Pentax obviously thinks it is relevant, which is why their Q lenses have both the actual focal length printed on the front and also the 35mm camera focal length equivalent (which is the focal length of the lens multipled by the crop factor). If you can't mount a 35mm-format lens on the thing, knowing the crop factor per se isn't that useful. As you say, the lenses are marked with the 35mm-equivalent focal lengths, which is more useful. (By comparison: If you own a random digicam, do you know its crop factor? Or just its 35mm-equivalent focal length range?) What I found confusing about your previous comment was the hope you don't like wide angle part. If you're not maintaining backwards compatibility with a previous mount (with a fixed registration distance) there's nothing hard about making wide-angle lenses. Especially on a camera with no mirror box at all. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Part of my reply below was just WRONG. The 35mm equiv. is not printed on the front of the lens. That was the filter size. My basic multiplication tables have failed me once again. Still, the descriptions refer to the 35mm equiv. and Pentax and reviews all note the 35mm equiv. and crop factor (doubtless for the reasons I gave). Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:54 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I don't see how crop factor is even relevant in a camera that doesn't use K-mount lenses. This comment confuses me. Crop factor is relevant because most people don't think in Field of View. They think in 35mm camera focal length equivalents. Pentax obviously thinks it is relevant, which is why their Q lenses have both the actual focal length printed on the front and also the 35mm camera focal length equivalent (which is the focal length of the lens multipled by the crop factor). Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Is it the 110, APS-C or 35 mm equivalent filter size then? 2011/6/23 Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com: Part of my reply below was just WRONG. The 35mm equiv. is not printed on the front of the lens. That was the filter size. My basic multiplication tables have failed me once again. Still, the descriptions refer to the 35mm equiv. and Pentax and reviews all note the 35mm equiv. and crop factor (doubtless for the reasons I gave). Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:54 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I don't see how crop factor is even relevant in a camera that doesn't use K-mount lenses. This comment confuses me. Crop factor is relevant because most people don't think in Field of View. They think in 35mm camera focal length equivalents. Pentax obviously thinks it is relevant, which is why their Q lenses have both the actual focal length printed on the front and also the 35mm camera focal length equivalent (which is the focal length of the lens multipled by the crop factor). Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Fotodiox might be working on the adaptor as we speak. 50 mm K mount lenses are dirt cheap and would pack 12 MP into a 275 FOV, if my math is correct. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Part of my reply below was just WRONG. The 35mm equiv. is not printed on the front of the lens. That was the filter size. My basic multiplication tables have failed me once again. Still, the descriptions refer to the 35mm equiv. and Pentax and reviews all note the 35mm equiv. and crop factor (doubtless for the reasons I gave). Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:54 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I don't see how crop factor is even relevant in a camera that doesn't use K-mount lenses. This comment confuses me. Crop factor is relevant because most people don't think in Field of View. They think in 35mm camera focal length equivalents. Pentax obviously thinks it is relevant, which is why their Q lenses have both the actual focal length printed on the front and also the 35mm camera focal length equivalent (which is the focal length of the lens multipled by the crop factor). Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: What I found confusing about your previous comment was the hope you don't like wide angle part. If you're not maintaining backwards compatibility with a previous mount (with a fixed registration distance) there's nothing hard about making wide-angle lenses. Especially on a camera with no mirror box at all. I think this comment (not mine) from the dpreview forum will clarify... This is a real what the? moment. 1/2.3 inch sensor? That's a 7.0mm diagonal. The 7.9mm f1.9 lens is equivalent, in terms of DOF and low light photographic ability, to a 49mm f12. No shallow DOF, no nice bokeh like some of the Oly/Panasonic or NEX lenses. It's interchangeable, purely for the sake of being interchangeable. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Let's hope the lenses don't have square apertures like the 110. /\ \/ ƒ8 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “If I could tell the story in words, I wouldn’t need to lug a camera.” –Lewis Hine On Jun 23, 2011, at 09:38 , Paul Stenquist wrote: I remember a number of posts pleading for a digital version of the Petnax 110 camera -- a camera with an image area too small to be of much practical use. A camera that used interchangeable lenses with leaf shutters. Hmmm, sounds like the Q;-). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thursday, June 23, 2011, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I think this comment (not mine) from the dpreview forum will clarify... This is a real what the? moment. 1/2.3 inch sensor? That's a 7.0mm diagonal. The 7.9mm f1.9 lens is equivalent, in terms of DOF and low light photographic ability, to a 49mm f12. No shallow DOF, no nice bokeh like some of the Oly/Panasonic or NEX lenses. It's interchangeable, purely for the sake of being interchangeable. Well, without retracting my earlier comment about Pentax retaining their sense of the absurd, I think they also possess a good sense of humor. And if so many can produce such inspired, high quality photos as I see on Instagram with a freekin' cell phone camera, I'm sure that some amusing person will pay the tariff and produce some beautiful work with this little toy like jewelry. Because that's what it's all about, not the camera or the format or the price or anything else. Good Photography transcends format and equipment. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q (with sample photos)
I'd be afraid my pocket knife and pot metal Serenity model on my fob would scratch the lens and dent the body. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “If I could tell the story in words, I wouldn’t need to lug a camera.” –Lewis Hine On Jun 23, 2011, at 10:11 , Steven Desjardins wrote: Here it is: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA.HTM The key chain shots are very funny. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No matter how good a SCMP 50mm lens may be, it isn't designed for a sensor that small. I doubt that it's resolving power is good enough to look sharp at any reasonably large aperture, before diffraction begins to steal resolution. On 6/23/2011 4:06 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Fotodiox might be working on the adaptor as we speak. 50 mm K mount lenses are dirt cheap and would pack 12 MP into a 275 FOV, if my math is correct. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Darren Addypixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Part of my reply below was just WRONG. The 35mm equiv. is not printed on the front of the lens. That was the filter size. My basic multiplication tables have failed me once again. Still, the descriptions refer to the 35mm equiv. and Pentax and reviews all note the 35mm equiv. and crop factor (doubtless for the reasons I gave). Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Darren Addypixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:54 AM, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I don't see how crop factor is even relevant in a camera that doesn't use K-mount lenses. This comment confuses me. Crop factor is relevant because most people don't think in Field of View. They think in 35mm camera focal length equivalents. Pentax obviously thinks it is relevant, which is why their Q lenses have both the actual focal length printed on the front and also the 35mm camera focal length equivalent (which is the focal length of the lens multipled by the crop factor). Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah, I'll be really curious to see some images. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 4:27 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: No matter how good a SCMP 50mm lens may be, it isn't designed for a sensor that small. I doubt that it's resolving power is good enough to look sharp at any reasonably large aperture, before diffraction begins to steal resolution. On 6/23/2011 4:06 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Fotodiox might be working on the adaptor as we speak. 50 mm K mount lenses are dirt cheap and would pack 12 MP into a 275 FOV, if my math is correct. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Darren Addypixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Part of my reply below was just WRONG. The 35mm equiv. is not printed on the front of the lens. That was the filter size. My basic multiplication tables have failed me once again. Still, the descriptions refer to the 35mm equiv. and Pentax and reviews all note the 35mm equiv. and crop factor (doubtless for the reasons I gave). Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Darren Addypixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:54 AM, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I don't see how crop factor is even relevant in a camera that doesn't use K-mount lenses. This comment confuses me. Crop factor is relevant because most people don't think in Field of View. They think in 35mm camera focal length equivalents. Pentax obviously thinks it is relevant, which is why their Q lenses have both the actual focal length printed on the front and also the 35mm camera focal length equivalent (which is the focal length of the lens multipled by the crop factor). Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Has anybody seen specs on the Pentax Q sensor? It is backlit like the Sony Exmor? (Toshiba and Sony both make sensors like this). Also curious about the sensor's pixel pitch. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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According to my readings it is in fact a backlit Sony sensor. Not sure about exmor though, it didn't say, neither yay nor nay. 2011/6/23 Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com: Has anybody seen specs on the Pentax Q sensor? It is backlit like the Sony Exmor? (Toshiba and Sony both make sensors like this). Also curious about the sensor's pixel pitch. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The previews say it's backlit. Though I'm pretty sure that I'm not the target demographic, (Hell, I'm not sure who the target demographic is for that matter), the sample images that Christine linked to looked pretty good for such a small sensor. I expected them to be horrendous, but they weren't bad at all given the expected limitations. Still if I want a small pocketable camera I have a Kodak Retina II. I know eww film, but for a few occasional snaps at 400 ISO works just fine. If I'm serious about photography I'll make room for a DSLR, and if I want something with the capabilities of Q there's at least one Nikon and one Canon which look to fill that bill already. On 6/23/2011 5:21 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Has anybody seen specs on the Pentax Q sensor? It is backlit like the Sony Exmor? (Toshiba and Sony both make sensors like this). Also curious about the sensor's pixel pitch. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul Stenquist wrote: I remember a number of posts pleading for a digital version of the Petnax 110 camera -- a camera with an image area too small to be of much practical use. A camera that used interchangeable lenses with leaf shutters. I remember it, too. My memory is less clear about the part where they pleaded for it to cost 800 dollars. ;-) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I want a digital Retina to go with my digital Auto 110. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:44 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: The previews say it's backlit. Though I'm pretty sure that I'm not the target demographic, (Hell, I'm not sure who the target demographic is for that matter), the sample images that Christine linked to looked pretty good for such a small sensor. I expected them to be horrendous, but they weren't bad at all given the expected limitations. Still if I want a small pocketable camera I have a Kodak Retina II. I know eww film, but for a few occasional snaps at 400 ISO works just fine. If I'm serious about photography I'll make room for a DSLR, and if I want something with the capabilities of Q there's at least one Nikon and one Canon which look to fill that bill already. On 6/23/2011 5:21 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Has anybody seen specs on the Pentax Q sensor? It is backlit like the Sony Exmor? (Toshiba and Sony both make sensors like this). Also curious about the sensor's pixel pitch. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Somebody is going to have to explain this Bokeh Control Filter thing to me (how it works). Bokeh Control Filter Enjoy effortless bokeh control with the Q’s bokeh control filter. Traditionally controlled through a DSLR lens’s aperture, bokeh is the out of focus part of the background that helps to emphasize the subject, drawing the viewer’s eyes to the most important part of the photo. The Q assists the experienced and casual photographer alike by offering a fine degree of extra control over image bokeh via an in-camera filter operation. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I would guess that since the camera has 25 point AF it will store measured distances for all 25 points to have an idea of what is how far away and then apply some sort of progressive blur based on distance... the next firmware update will offer you a choice between 7, 9 and 18 blade diaphragm bokeh :) 2011/6/23 Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com: Somebody is going to have to explain this Bokeh Control Filter thing to me (how it works). Bokeh Control Filter Enjoy effortless bokeh control with the Q’s bokeh control filter. Traditionally controlled through a DSLR lens’s aperture, bokeh is the out of focus part of the background that helps to emphasize the subject, drawing the viewer’s eyes to the most important part of the photo. The Q assists the experienced and casual photographer alike by offering a fine degree of extra control over image bokeh via an in-camera filter operation. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Darren Addy Somebody is going to have to explain this Bokeh Control Filter thing to me (how it works). Bokeh Control Filter Enjoy effortless bokeh control with the Q?s bokeh control filter. Traditionally controlled through a DSLR lens?s aperture, bokeh is the out of focus part of the background that helps to emphasize the subject, drawing the viewer?s eyes to the most important part of the photo. The Q assists the experienced and casual photographer alike by offering a fine degree of extra control over image bokeh via an in-camera filter operation. If it's done with in camera software, maybe there will be a Bokeh plug-in for PhotoShop someday. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3721 - Release Date: 06/23/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:54 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: If it's done with in camera software, maybe there will be a Bokeh plug-in for PhotoShop someday. Perhaps someday. http://www.alienskin.com/bokeh/index.aspx : ) Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-06-23 15:21 , Darren Addy wrote: Has anybody seen specs on the Pentax Q sensor? some specs are in the article linked at the top of this thread It is backlit like the Sony Exmor? yes Also curious about the sensor's pixel pitch. roughly 650 pixels/mm (rough because 6.17 x 4.55mm sensor and 4000x3000 image, but 6.17/4.55 != 4/3) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 24 June 2011 02:38, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I remember a number of posts pleading for a digital version of the Petnax 110 camera -- a camera with an image area too small to be of much practical use. A camera that used interchangeable lenses with leaf shutters. Hmmm, sounds like the Q;-). Paul You're hit the nail on the head there, Paul. People asked for a Digital Auto110 in the vain hope that Pentax could just slam a 4/3 sensor into the old Auto110 silhouette. They're practically the same size format, so why not? Well, look around at all the m43 cameras. There is no camera nearly as small as an Auto110 because the sensor package is way bigger than the actual image area, unlike in a film camera. I would have thought we all realised that by now. Yet some people just don't get it. What Pentax have delivered is a camera that is the philosophical equivalent of an Auto110. It has the smallest sensor that's commonly used for general photography. I'm OK with that, although I won't be buying it. My pipe dream camera has a 2/3 sensor and a C-mount, or at least a mount with a shorter register or wider flange that allows a fully functional adapter for C-mount. There's an ocean of cine lenses out there, theyre as ubiquitous as M42 or K-mount. Red probably make such a camera, but it won't be compact and it won't be affordable. And what is it with this mirrorless K-mount. If it's mirrorless, why does it need to be K-mount. The register distance will be way shorter and need an adapter anyway, so why burden it with a legacy mount that has been kludged into the 21st century? Better to give it an all new state-of-the-art mount. There'll be $18 adapters from Chinese workshops coming to Ebay soon enough, or a decent one from Zork for $300. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 24 June 2011 06:10, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: (earlier posting snipped) I think this comment (not mine) from the dpreview forum will clarify... This is a real what the? moment. 1/2.3 inch sensor? That's a 7.0mm diagonal. The 7.9mm f1.9 lens is equivalent, in terms of DOF and low light photographic ability, to a 49mm f12. No shallow DOF, no nice bokeh like some of the Oly/Panasonic or NEX lenses. It's interchangeable, purely for the sake of being interchangeable. -- The DOF may be comparable to f12 on the larger cameras, but f1.9 will always give f1.9's worth of exposure regardless of the format. The criticism is an invalid claim where exposure performance is concerned, which is the usual measure of low light photographic ability. However, if dpreview actually mean ~aesthetic~ low light performance then they're engaging in sloppy and tautologous journalism. In that situation they referred four times, in different words, to a single item of complaint; 1. ...in terms of DOF... 2. ...and low light photographic ability... 3. ...No shallow DOF... 4. ...no nice bokeh... Turning one complaint into four still only equals one complaint. Just because dpreview is, photographically speaking, a major internet presence doesn't mean their claims needn't be taken with a grain of salt. They have a tradition of being biased against innovation and non-conformity. Just read their reviews of Foveon and Fuji SuperCCD. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It has a plenoptic sensor. :) Bokeh control out the wazoo. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Somebody is going to have to explain this Bokeh Control Filter thing to me (how it works). Bokeh Control Filter Enjoy effortless bokeh control with the Q’s bokeh control filter. Traditionally controlled through a DSLR lens’s aperture, bokeh is the out of focus part of the background that helps to emphasize the subject, drawing the viewer’s eyes to the most important part of the photo. The Q assists the experienced and casual photographer alike by offering a fine degree of extra control over image bokeh via an in-camera filter operation. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I assume the K mount is so that folks who own Pentax DSLRs will consider the new camera as a compliment for their current system. The lenses will fit and Pentax already makes some good small pancakes. i have the E-P2, and many of the m43 kesnes are bigger than some of their Pentax equivalents. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 June 2011 02:38, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I remember a number of posts pleading for a digital version of the Petnax 110 camera -- a camera with an image area too small to be of much practical use. A camera that used interchangeable lenses with leaf shutters. Hmmm, sounds like the Q;-). Paul You're hit the nail on the head there, Paul. People asked for a Digital Auto110 in the vain hope that Pentax could just slam a 4/3 sensor into the old Auto110 silhouette. They're practically the same size format, so why not? Well, look around at all the m43 cameras. There is no camera nearly as small as an Auto110 because the sensor package is way bigger than the actual image area, unlike in a film camera. I would have thought we all realised that by now. Yet some people just don't get it. What Pentax have delivered is a camera that is the philosophical equivalent of an Auto110. It has the smallest sensor that's commonly used for general photography. I'm OK with that, although I won't be buying it. My pipe dream camera has a 2/3 sensor and a C-mount, or at least a mount with a shorter register or wider flange that allows a fully functional adapter for C-mount. There's an ocean of cine lenses out there, theyre as ubiquitous as M42 or K-mount. Red probably make such a camera, but it won't be compact and it won't be affordable. And what is it with this mirrorless K-mount. If it's mirrorless, why does it need to be K-mount. The register distance will be way shorter and need an adapter anyway, so why burden it with a legacy mount that has been kludged into the 21st century? Better to give it an all new state-of-the-art mount. There'll be $18 adapters from Chinese workshops coming to Ebay soon enough, or a decent one from Zork for $300. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 24 June 2011 12:18, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I assume the K mount is so that folks who own Pentax DSLRs will consider the new camera as a compliment for their current system. The lenses will fit and Pentax already makes some good small pancakes. i have the E-P2, and many of the m43 kesnes are bigger than some of their Pentax equivalents. If it's mirrorless but retains the deep register of the original K-mount then it will have no reason to exist. You might as well get a DSLR. The whole raison d'etre of mirrorless cameras is the short register distance that allows the design of superior and faster standard to wide angle lenses in a smaller package. A big bonus is that they can mount a huge variety of rangefinder, cine and video sourced lenses as well as the proprietory lenses. That can't happen if the register distance is too long. Take away those benefits and there's no advantage left. It won't be cheaper to purchase (but will be to produce). To their credit Pentax has succeeded in making pancake lenses as small as the m43 pancakes. Imagine how much smaller or faster they could be if designers were unfettered by an unnecessarily deep camera body. Also consider the size of the camera/lens combo. A thinner camera will always make a smaller package when the lenses are a similar size, and even when the lenses are a little larger. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
welcome the pentax q
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxQ/ the world's smallest interchangeable lens camera :) -- regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LOL! That is very cute indeed, but a very silly thing to spend development money on. At least we know Pentax has retained their sense of the absurd. On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxQ/ the world's smallest interchangeable lens camera :) -- regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q
On 6/23/2011 07:44, Subash wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxQ/ the world's smallest interchangeable lens camera :) Subash, you just beat me to it. I was about to make the post with mostly the same content. Pentax, you gotta be kidding on this one... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q
I think it looks incredibly cheap (except it's anything but). And may I just say: A 5.5x crop factor? That would make an 10mm focal length lens the 35mm equiv. of 55mm. (Yes, I got an A in math). Hope you don't like wide angle! Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q
I wonder what kind of IQ they've managed to coax out of the sensor. If Pentax has managed to work some of the K-r/K05 magic on the Q, it might even be competitive. Based on DPReview's preview the design seems to be a bit schizophrenic, controls aimed at an enthusiast audience, with a sensor aimed at the PS crowd, almost the reverse of the Sony NEX. Oh well, I guess this will be hashed out tomorrow. Maybe the sample pictures will surprise, when they are finally released, but physics is physics, so probably not. Supposedly Pentax was going to announce two Mirrorless cameras this year, according to some rumors. I can't say I was looking forward to either with anticipation, but now I think I'm looking forward with dread. On 6/23/2011 12:44 AM, Subash wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxQ/ the world's smallest interchangeable lens camera :) -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q
On 6/23/2011 08:15, Darren Addy wrote: And may I just say: A 5.5x crop factor? In my book it is a major disappointment. As much as I'd love to have a smaller camera, it is most unlikely to be this one... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't think there's a hope in hell that this is going to allow K mount, (or 645, or 67), lenses to be mounted. When they said it was a digital Auto 110, they meant the combined aperture shutter mechanism, except that they don't need the mirror, oh and each lens will have one, (rather than one in the body)... Ok, I expect that Pentax wants to sell only /new/ lenses for this little beast. Based on the lens prices announced so far they'll be /relatively/ inexpensive. On 6/23/2011 1:15 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I think it looks incredibly cheap (except it's anything but). And may I just say: A 5.5x crop factor? That would make an 10mm focal length lens the 35mm equiv. of 55mm. (Yes, I got an A in math). Hope you don't like wide angle! Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q (with sample photos)
Can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually intrigued by this. Cheers, Christine http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA7.HTM - Original Message - From: Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 11:44 PM Subject: welcome the pentax q http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxQ/ the world's smallest interchangeable lens camera :) -- regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q
With that many mega-pixels on that small a sensor, noise will have to be a problem. And in an interchangable lens camera, even a speck of dust on that sensor is going to cover hundreds of pixels. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think there's a hope in hell that this is going to allow K mount, (or 645, or 67), lenses to be mounted. Oh somebody will make an adapter, if Pentax doesn't. You've just given this camera an upside. A Tamron Adaptall 60-300mm will have the 35mm equiv. of 330-1650mm. Should be popular with the birders. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q (with sample photos)
On 6/23/2011 08:30, Christine Aguila wrote: Can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually intrigued by this. Cheers, Christine http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA7.HTM I can't believe you're saying this either, Christine ;-). (-- Sorry Bob, smiley is a must here) Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: welcome the pentax q (with sample photos)
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:39 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/23/2011 08:30, Christine Aguila wrote: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA7.HTM Those images look familiar. I swear those are the same test images they used for the K200D (relabeled). : ) Darren Addy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
