Re: An editorial worth repeating

2004-07-09 Thread Dan Scanlan
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Monthly Review, Feb. 2001
The Nader Campaign and the Future
of U.S. Left Electoral Politics
by The Editors
In our view, the Nader campaign was the electoral side of the mass
organizing that produced the extraordinary demonstrations in Seattle in
1999 and in Washington, DC, and at the two national political
conventions in 2000.

More than electoral, I'd say. Nader maintained the largest resource
center in Seattle during the WTO protests, including computer
stations for press and organizers, the largest array of pamphlets,
brochures, buttons, stickers, posters, books, etc. He conducted
dailing press briefings and end-of-day recaps for the press. His
organizations were evident everywhere -- in the Fair Trade office,
which had a direct link to Nader's headquarters, and in the
Independent Media Center. His organizations were the major resource
providers for the activists. No doubt about it.
The easy thing to forget about Nader is that electoral politics and
the Green Party are just two of the many prongs of his civic thrust.
Dan Scanlan


Re: An editorial worth repeating

2004-07-09 Thread Louis Proyect
The easy thing to forget about Nader is that electoral politics and
the Green Party are just two of the many prongs of his civic thrust.
Dan Scanlan
But don't forget that he is working with nefarious forces to get on the
ballot in Michigan. Maybe he should have proposed John McCain as his
running-mate instead of Peter Camejo. I'm sure that would have gotten
him a clean bill of health from the Nation Magazine, Salon.com,
commondreams.org and alternet.org just as it got John Kerry.
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Re: An editorial worth repeating

2004-07-09 Thread Dan Scanlan
Louis wrote...
 Maybe he should have proposed John McCain as his
running-mate instead of Peter Camejo. I'm sure that would have gotten
him a clean bill of health from the Nation Magazine, Salon.com,
commondreams.org and alternet.org just as it got John Kerry.
Nader has not sought the endorsement of any media that I know of. He
wrote a scathing attack on The Nation a while back recalling for it
its long history of fairness toward progressive causes and accusing
it of abandoning that history. That's no way to get a clean bill of
health. A few weeks back he openly chastised Michael Moore not for
the content of his movie but for Moore's catering to Democrat
big-wigs instead of progressives when he premiered it. I suspect
Nader chose Camejo because he's true and such a clear expositor of a
long view that is congruent with his own. And because the choice
honors the many Latinos who live in and help keep this country
running. Not unlike his choice of Winona LaDuke four years ago.
When the bruhaha over Moore's movie has come and gone, I reckon Nader
still will be plugging along pestering the Democrats to
decorporatize, willing to once again take the blame for causing the
corporate bench team (the Democrats) to lose their part of the game
to the first stringers (the Republicans).
Bush will lose the election because he's done his job. Now it takes a
Democrat to clean up and implement. Kerry will be to W. as Clinton
was the H.W. I don't think Nader's insight will be fully appreciated
until after a few more cycles of this crap, if we survive that long.
Dan


Re: An editorial worth repeating

2004-07-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Dan Scanlan wrote:
Bush will lose the election because he's done his job. Now it takes a
Democrat to clean up and implement. Kerry will be to W. as Clinton
was the H.W. I don't think Nader's insight will be fully appreciated
until after a few more cycles of this crap, if we survive that long.
That reminds me. I've been meaning to research how Hitler came to power.
You have to remember that the German SP was the ABB of its day, except
that it was ABH instead. They kept backing lesser evils until they got
the most evil lesser evil in Hindenberg who virtually turned over the
power to Hitler once in power.
With Hitler's rise, you got WWII and the extermination of the Jews.
Today, it won't be anything that dramatic unless some crazed terrorist
gets a hold of a nuclear device and sets it off in Soho. Goodbye, Starbucks.
But the more likely alternative is steady degradation of the natural
world and increased misery in places like Haiti and Zambia. That's the
way the world will end, with a whimper rather than a bang.
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Re: An editorial worth repeating

2004-07-09 Thread Devine, James
Today, it won't be anything that dramatic unless some crazed terrorist
gets a hold of a nuclear device and sets it off in Soho. Goodbye, Starbucks.

actually, these days, the nut could set it off _anywhere_ and destroy a Starf*cks.

jd 

(I buy mine at an independent drive-in coffee place on PCH that's surrounded by 
Starf*cks.)



Re: An editorial worth repeating

2004-07-09 Thread Waistline2



In a message dated 7/9/2004 1:53:58 PM Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That 
  reminds me. I've been meaning to research how Hitler came to power.You 
  have to remember that the German SP was the ABB of its day, exceptthat it 
  was ABH instead. They kept backing lesser evils until they gotthe most 
  evil lesser evil in Hindenberg who virtually turned over thepower to 
  Hitler once in power.
With Hitler's rise, you got WWII and the extermination of the 
Jews.Today, it won't be anything that dramatic unless some crazed 
terroristgets a hold of a nuclear device and sets it off in Soho. Goodbye, 
Starbucks.

COmment

What a bizarre revision of world history. With German fascism and its 
aftermathyou first and foremost had 22 million Soviets dead and 40 million 
wounded. Billions in property destroyed and Europa in ruins. This does not mean 
six million Jews were not killed but reveals ones point of view. Is 20 million 
plus 40 million . . . plus Europe in ruinsmore than six million? 


How bizarre. 


Melvin P. 





Re: An editorial worth repeating

2004-07-08 Thread Michael Hoover
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/07/04 2:44 PM 
Monthly Review, Feb. 2001
The Nader Campaign and the Future
of U.S. Left Electoral Politics
by The Editors
In our view, the Nader campaign was the electoral side of the mass
organizing that produced the extraordinary demonstrations in Seattle in
1999 and in Washington, DC, and at the two national political
conventions in 2000.


similar view was also held by jello biafra whose candidacy for green
party nomination in 2000 i personally favored, ex-dker focused, however,
on green party rather than nader...   michael hoover

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An editorial worth repeating

2004-07-07 Thread Louis Proyect
Monthly Review, Feb. 2001
The Nader Campaign and the Future
of U.S. Left Electoral Politics
by The Editors
The unlikely postelection contest between Al Gore and George W. Bush, 
which ultimately led to the anointing of Bush as president by the 
Republican majority on the US Supreme Court (despite the fact that Bush 
received fewer popular votes than Gore both in the United States as a 
whole and most likely in Florida as wellthe state that gave Bush his 
electoral college win), has tended to erase all other developments 
associated with the election. But all of this should not cause us to 
forget that the Ralph Nader Green Party campaign for the presidency was 
arguably the most extraordinary phenomenon in US left politics in many 
years. On election day he drew nearly three million votes, representing 
about 3 percent of the vote. Even former Vice-President Henry Wallace 
did not fare so well in his third-party run for the presidency in 1948, 
the last progressive third-party presidential campaign of this nature 
and magnitude. Although exit polls show that Nader received few racial 
minority votes (a major weakness of his campaign), he nonetheless drew 
his strongest support from those without a college education, those with 
incomes less than thirty thousand dollars a year, and those without 
full-time employment. Until the intense scare campaign instigated by the 
Democrats in the final two weeks before the election, Nader was getting 
as much as 7 percent in some tracking polls.

Nader ran quite far to the left on issue after issue; this was no 
warmed-over version of mainstream liberal Democratic politics. The Green 
platform was an antineoliberal progressive platform that any socialist 
could support openly. At the same time, Nader enjoyed tremendous and 
enthusiastic crowds on the campaign trail, often appearing before paying 
crowds that ranged from ten to fifteen thousand with hardly any advance 
work. Were there no public opinion polls, one who merely watched the 
size and nature of crowd responses to the candidates on the campaign 
trail might have thought Nader the likely winner or at least a strong 
contender for victory. Moreover, these crowds were dominated by young 
people. Such a response would have been unthinkable one or two decades ago.

Nader was the best-suited and arguably the only feasible candidate to 
make a progressive third-party run in 2000. He came of age in the 1960s 
when progressive political figures had some opportunity to gain exposure 
in the media culture; he has long been a household name. (As Nader 
notes, with the rightward shift of our political landscape and the 
hypercommercialism of our media culture, serious progressive critics of 
the status quo have had far less opportunity to gain national exposure 
in the past two decades, unless they are political humorists like 
Michael Moore or people who become celebrities for other reasons and 
then discuss politics, like Susan Sarandon.) He is also highly regarded 
for a list of accomplishments in the public interest that is nothing 
short of stunning. Nader turned to electoral politics only when it 
became clear that the degree of corporate domination over both parties 
made the sort of public interest work he did nearly impossible to pursue 
with any hope of success. Nader is not a socialist, but he is a 
principled democrat who has the courage to call for sweeping reforms in 
the political economy when it is apparent that corporate domination and 
class inequality are undermining democracy. Nader spoke brilliantly in 
plain language to everyday Americans from a range of backgrounds about 
the need for sweeping structural reform, a lost art among many on the left.

The issue that was the foundation of the Nader campaign was his 
opposition to the World Trade Organization (WTO), North American Free 
Trade Agreement (NAFTA), and the entirety of the global procapitalist 
trade, investment, and regulatory system. Unlike nationalist opponents 
of the WTO like Pat Buchanan, Naders opposition was on democratic 
grounds: these agencies were not subject to popular control in the 
United States or elsewhere and were therefore illegitimate. Moreover, 
Nader was and is arguably the worlds foremost expert on exactly how 
these institutions of global capitalism are generating disastrous 
results across the planet for workers, consumers, and the environment. 
Nader and the Greens also favored deep cuts in the US military budget 
and apparatus and opposed US material support for reactionary regimes 
and policies around the world. Nader, who drew 19 percent of the total 
Muslim vote (72 percent of which went to Bush), declared that there will 
be no peace in the Middle East without justice for the Palestinians. 
In sum, Nader and the Greens offered a progressive and nonimperialist 
foreign policy that was decidedly outside the bipartisan consensus 
that is almost never debated in the US electoral arena.

This is a point that merits