Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training recommendations?
On 2012-10-17, Vincent Veyron vv.li...@wanadoo.fr wrote: I am surprised none of the fine contributors to this thread mentionned an activity they practice extensively, which is reading this list's content every day. Best training material ever in my opinion. Yeah, if you want to learn PostgreSQL this list, the sql list, and the novice list will provide both answers and example problems. -- ⚂⚃ 100% natural -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training recommendations?
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Jasen Betts ja...@xnet.co.nz wrote: On 2012-10-17, Vincent Veyron vv.li...@wanadoo.fr wrote: I am surprised none of the fine contributors to this thread mentionned an activity they practice extensively, which is reading this list's content every day. Best training material ever in my opinion. Yeah, if you want to learn PostgreSQL this list, the sql list, and the novice list will provide both answers and example problems. I would add I have learned a tremendous amount from the performance list as well. But beyond that just participating in the discussions here one learns a lot, same with reading Bruce's presentations and other good documentation. That doesn't mean it is always easy to fit pieces together but it takes time. I have also occasionally had important aha! moments reading planet.postgresql.org also. Part of the issue of course is that performance tuning often requires a decent understanding of lower-level aspects to what the database is actually doing. The database goes to great efforts to be fast and the question is always what it is doing that you can help speed up. Best Wishes, Chris Travers
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training recommendations?
I am surprised none of the fine contributors to this thread mentionned an activity they practice extensively, which is reading this list's content every day. Best training material ever in my opinion. -- Vincent Veyron http://marica.fr/ Logiciel de gestion des assurances sinistres et des dossiers contentieux pour le service juridique -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training recommendations?
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Vincent Veyron vv.li...@wanadoo.fr wrote: I am surprised none of the fine contributors to this thread mentionned an activity they practice extensively, which is reading this list's content every day. Best training material ever in my opinion. A pay-for magazine you can probably claim on your taxes as a necessary expense. Is it possible somehow to claim that reading this list is vital to your work, and therefore the 5 hours a week you spend answering other threads (in order to repay the community) is a legitimate work expense? :) ChrisA -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training recommendations?
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Vincent Veyron vv.li...@wanadoo.fr wrote: I am surprised none of the fine contributors to this thread mentionned an activity they practice extensively, which is reading this list's content every day. Best training material ever in my opinion. A pay-for magazine you can probably claim on your taxes as a necessary expense. Is it possible somehow to claim that reading this list is vital to your work, and therefore the 5 hours a week you spend answering other threads (in order to repay the community) is a legitimate work expense? :) I've been on more than one job interview where the guy interviewing me is someone who's question I've answered in the past here. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training recommendations?
Le jeudi 18 octobre 2012 à 01:42 +1100, Chris Angelico a écrit : Is it possible somehow to claim that reading this list is vital to your work, and therefore the 5 hours a week you spend answering other threads (in order to repay the community) is a legitimate work expense? :) The ratio of benefits to costs in my case is close to infinity : I have no formal training in computer programming, so I learned practically everything on lists (plus a few books and a lot of documentation), and have been making a leaving out of it for fifteen years. I consider it essential to read them, to see what are real life situations and the usually numerous possible answers, many of which one person would not know about; it's like training for a professional athlete, and one has to practice every day. Also, on numerous occasions, some thread I followed out of interest lead me to a very suitable solution for a problem at hand within the next few days of work : many hours were saved that way. I could go on, but in short vital is the right word I'd say. (I'll just mention that I am in constant awe at the level of expertise dispensed in this particular list) -- Vincent Veyron http://marica.fr/ Logiciel de gestion des assurances sinistres et des dossiers contentieux pour le service juridique -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
[GENERAL] PostgreSQL training recommendations?
Hi pgsql-general, I'm looking for advice on good training courses for PostgreSQL (on- or off-site, on- or off-line). I'm hoping to find something that can cover basic administration, performance optimization topics, and clustering tools like Slony and pgpool for someone. I realize that PostgreSQL documentation is a great resource, but I'm looking for something more intensive and expert-driven. Do any of you have recommendations based on courses you took, had colleagues take, or teach yourself? Thanks in advance, Matt Kappel -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training recommendations?
I assume the EntrerpriseDB certification seminars are an obvious quick answer: http://www.enterprisedb.com/products-services-training/training/dba-training But TBH, I find the PostgreSQL manual to be an excelent guide if you don't mind reading. It is extremely well written (kudos to whoever is on the writing team), definitely written by experts, it delves reasonably enough into detail where needed and most of all: it serves not only as a Pg manual, but as a DB theory/good practice manual as well. I realize that 2.8Kpages is not easy to digest, but the first 30 Chapters seem to cover more than enough to just get you started (though not Slony/pgpool). best regards, Thalis K. On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Matthew Kappel mkap...@cray.com wrote: Hi pgsql-general, I'm looking for advice on good training courses for PostgreSQL (on- or off-site, on- or off-line). I'm hoping to find something that can cover basic administration, performance optimization topics, and clustering tools like Slony and pgpool for someone. I realize that PostgreSQL documentation is a great resource, but I'm looking for something more intensive and expert-driven. Do any of you have recommendations based on courses you took, had colleagues take, or teach yourself? Thanks in advance, Matt Kappel -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training recommendations?
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 02:53:14PM -0300, Thalis Kalfigkopoulos wrote: I assume the EntrerpriseDB certification seminars are an obvious quick answer: http://www.enterprisedb.com/products-services-training/training/dba-training But TBH, I find the PostgreSQL manual to be an excelent guide if you don't mind reading. It is extremely well written (kudos to whoever is on the writing team), definitely written by experts, it delves reasonably enough into detail where needed and most of all: it serves not only as a Pg manual, but as a DB theory/good practice manual as well. I realize that 2.8Kpages is not easy to digest, but the first 30 Chapters seem to cover more than enough to just get you started (though not Slony/pgpool). I think the big thing the training manual is missing is giving inexperienced users a framework to understand all the pieces. Training does help in that area, and I am unclear how we could improve the manual to address that. -- Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.ushttp://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. + -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training recommendations?
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 02:34:37PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 02:53:14PM -0300, Thalis Kalfigkopoulos wrote: I assume the EntrerpriseDB certification seminars are an obvious quick answer: http://www.enterprisedb.com/products-services-training/training/dba-training But TBH, I find the PostgreSQL manual to be an excelent guide if you don't mind reading. It is extremely well written (kudos to whoever is on the writing team), definitely written by experts, it delves reasonably enough into detail where needed and most of all: it serves not only as a Pg manual, but as a DB theory/good practice manual as well. I realize that 2.8Kpages is not easy to digest, but the first 30 Chapters seem to cover more than enough to just get you started (though not Slony/pgpool). I think the big thing the training manual is missing is giving inexperienced users a framework to understand all the pieces. Training does help in that area, and I am unclear how we could improve the manual to address that. As a disclaimer, I should add that I do training for EnterpriseDB. I think the communication of a mental framework in understanding Postgres is one of the most valuable things I can give students. I think my presentations have a similar focus: http://momjian.us/main/presentations/ -- Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.ushttp://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. + -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training recommendations?
True about the lack of framework putting the pieces together and providing an overview. Also IMHO another difficulty the manual poses is that the reader doesn't have a way to confirm his level of understanding after reading a chapter. Letting aside the concepts for which creating a scenario/test-case are downright complex, hard to reproduce or dependent on a per-installation basis, the learning experience could greatly benefit from a pg-tailored QA section at the end of each chapter. Perhaps even a downloadable test database to play with? And not wanting to just be lighting fires here, I'd be happy to volunteer. Now I'd understand the Pg manual writers being reluctant about shifting from manual to DB-book, but I'm guessing, the manual being as well written as it is, that many of us are already using it as a learning book anyway. best regards, Thalis K. On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 02:34:37PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 02:53:14PM -0300, Thalis Kalfigkopoulos wrote: I assume the EntrerpriseDB certification seminars are an obvious quick answer: http://www.enterprisedb.com/products-services-training/training/dba-training But TBH, I find the PostgreSQL manual to be an excelent guide if you don't mind reading. It is extremely well written (kudos to whoever is on the writing team), definitely written by experts, it delves reasonably enough into detail where needed and most of all: it serves not only as a Pg manual, but as a DB theory/good practice manual as well. I realize that 2.8Kpages is not easy to digest, but the first 30 Chapters seem to cover more than enough to just get you started (though not Slony/pgpool). I think the big thing the training manual is missing is giving inexperienced users a framework to understand all the pieces. Training does help in that area, and I am unclear how we could improve the manual to address that. As a disclaimer, I should add that I do training for EnterpriseDB. I think the communication of a mental framework in understanding Postgres is one of the most valuable things I can give students. I think my presentations have a similar focus: http://momjian.us/main/presentations/ -- Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.ushttp://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. + -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training recommendations?
-Original Message- From: pgsql-general-ow...@postgresql.org [mailto:pgsql-general- ow...@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Thalis Kalfigkopoulos Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 3:24 PM To: Bruce Momjian Cc: Matthew Kappel; pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training recommendations? True about the lack of framework putting the pieces together and providing an overview. Also IMHO another difficulty the manual poses is that the reader doesn't have a way to confirm his level of understanding after reading a chapter. Letting aside the concepts for which creating a scenario/test-case are downright complex, hard to reproduce or dependent on a per-installation basis, the learning experience could greatly benefit from a pg-tailored QA section at the end of each chapter. Perhaps even a downloadable test database to play with? And not wanting to just be lighting fires here, I'd be happy to volunteer. Now I'd understand the Pg manual writers being reluctant about shifting from manual to DB-book, but I'm guessing, the manual being as well written as it is, that many of us are already using it as a learning book anyway. best regards, Thalis K. Thalis, please do not top-post; especially when others have already bottom-posted before you. IMO writing and maintaining educational/training materials is a somewhat different skill set and focus than writing and maintaining technical documentation. They have their own timelines and needs and the gatekeepers for the documentation are not necessarily the best people to gatekeep educational materials. There are many different ideas out there - both content/format as well as pricing models. For better and worse the PostgreSQL core community does not attempt to play favorites or provide recommendations or a centralized database of what is out there. The wiki and FAQ extend what is provided for in the documentation somewhat but on the whole it is a very loose coalition. Such decentralization, combined with very little spare capacity of PostgreSQL skilled persons, makes getting started from scratch a difficult proposition. Aside from all of that the documentation is written in SGML thus making contributing that much more difficult. If you are interested in volunteering then just do it. Develop content and then work with the community to determine how to best integrate it with the existing materials out there or at worse see if someone will host it for you. David J. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training recommendations?
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 16:24:08 -0300, Thalis Kalfigkopoulos tkalf...@gmail.com wrote: Also IMHO another difficulty the manual poses is that the reader doesn't have a way to confirm his level of understanding after reading a chapter. It isn't too hard to play with a toy database. I personally found (and still find) the Postgres manual to be a great resource for learning SQL. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training recommendations?
On 10/16/12 3:24 PM, Thalis Kalfigkopoulos wrote: Now I'd understand the Pg manual writers being reluctant about shifting from manual to DB-book, but I'm guessing, the manual being as well written as it is, that many of us are already using it as a learning book anyway. The official manual is a reference manual that also includes some good tutorial material. Just trying to cover that depth well, it's already so large as to be cumbersome--both from the perspective of new readers and the people maintaining it. Expecting to expand its scope even further toward the tutorial and example side is not something I'd expect to gain much traction. Every example that appears in the manual is yet another place for the documentation to break when code changes are made. And it's the same group of people maintaining both the documentation and the code. Anyone who tries to rev up adding even more docs is going to pull focus off new code. Would you like the core features to expand or to get a new type of documentation? The way things are organized right now, you can't get both. I would say that it's easier to write 400 pages of material outside of the manual and distribute them to the world than to add 40 pages to the official manual. And I say that as someone who tried wandering down both paths to see which was more productive. -- Greg Smith 2ndQuadrant USg...@2ndquadrant.com Baltimore, MD PostgreSQL Training, Services, and 24x7 Support www.2ndQuadrant.com -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
[GENERAL] PostgreSQL training
Hello All, I want to take a training course about “PostgreSQL” and have been browsing trough http://www.postgresql.org/about/eventarchive , but I am not sure about the level of training offered as there are disclaimers everywhere. Is there anybody on the list having experience with training offered? If so please share your opinion We are using PostgreSQL for a couple of years now so I am interested in advanced courses, like http://www.postgresql.org/about/event.1092 . Anybody having experience with “Modern Course” they like to share? Greetings, Ingmar -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training
On Sun, 2005-03-13 at 15:23, Alex Adriaanse wrote:
Hi,
I'm working on an application for a client that uses PostgreSQL as its
database backend. The client wants to train their team on PostgreSQL so
that they can maintain the application and the database themselves after
it goes live should they need to. As far as I know the majority of them
don't have any experience with databases (other than using applications
that rely on them of course). The type of training that they would need
would need to cover generic database concepts (database design, SQL), as
well as PostgreSQL-specific information (mostly database administration,
maybe some performance tuning).
They can travel anywhere within the US to take the training. I noticed
there were a few training events posted on postgresql.org, but only one
of them is within the US (PostgreSQL Bootcamp, next month), and I'm not
sure if that course would offer the right type of training for them (I
think they'd need something more elementary).
Do you guys have any suggestions as far as training is concerned
(training events throughout the year, companies that do PostgreSQL
training, etc.)?
My first recommendation would be to see if attending OSCon is an option
for them, since there will be a number of classes at different levels
that they could attend, plus they would get the chance to meet other
postgresql users and developers.
If that doesn't work, try contacting some of the bigger support
companies like Pervasive or SRA who both have intentions of doing
training services so they might have something for you.
Next up would be any of the smaller support companies listed at
http://techdocs.postgresql.org/companies.php, many of whom offer
training courses that might fit what your looking for.
If you still can't find anything then, given enough dollars, I'll do a
weekend crash course for you guys ;-) Actually I should mention a
disclaimer here in that afaik the Nerd Ranch guys can go either fast or
slow on the course depending on the aptitude of the students... if your
going to be sending multiple people it wouldn't hurt to talk with them.
HTH
Robert Treat
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Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training
Alex Adriaanse presumably uttered the following on 03/13/05 15:23: Hi, I'm working on an application for a client that uses PostgreSQL as its database backend. The client wants to train their team on PostgreSQL so that they can maintain the application and the database themselves after it goes live should they need to. As far as I know the majority of them don't have any experience with databases (other than using applications that rely on them of course). The type of training that they would need would need to cover generic database concepts (database design, SQL), as well as PostgreSQL-specific information (mostly database administration, maybe some performance tuning). They can travel anywhere within the US to take the training. I noticed there were a few training events posted on postgresql.org, but only one of them is within the US (PostgreSQL Bootcamp, next month), and I'm not sure if that course would offer the right type of training for them (I think they'd need something more elementary). Do you guys have any suggestions as far as training is concerned (training events throughout the year, companies that do PostgreSQL training, etc.)? Thanks a lot, Alex I would like to mention that the folks at the Big Nerd Ranch (tm) who run the PostgreSQL boot camp also do on-site training which would then be tailored to your own organization's needs. (www.bignerdranch.com) Having attended their week-long training I can certainly attest to the benefits such training has. Sven ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
[GENERAL] PostgreSQL training
Hi, I'm working on an application for a client that uses PostgreSQL as its database backend. The client wants to train their team on PostgreSQL so that they can maintain the application and the database themselves after it goes live should they need to. As far as I know the majority of them don't have any experience with databases (other than using applications that rely on them of course). The type of training that they would need would need to cover generic database concepts (database design, SQL), as well as PostgreSQL-specific information (mostly database administration, maybe some performance tuning). They can travel anywhere within the US to take the training. I noticed there were a few training events posted on postgresql.org, but only one of them is within the US (PostgreSQL Bootcamp, next month), and I'm not sure if that course would offer the right type of training for them (I think they'd need something more elementary). Do you guys have any suggestions as far as training is concerned (training events throughout the year, companies that do PostgreSQL training, etc.)? Thanks a lot, Alex ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send unregister YourEmailAddressHere to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training curriculum
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Jim C. Nasby wrote: I've been contracted to provide 3 days of PostgreSQL training, and I'm wondering if anyone has curriculum they'd like to share with me, or suggestions for course materials. This course is targeted at database experts who want to come up to speed on PostgreSQL, so it will deal mostly with installation, tuning, and troubleshooting. http://www.tdmsoft.com/en//PostgreSQL/pdf/TDM-PostgreSQL-Training-Curriculum.pdf is TDM's Training Curriculum for PostgreSQL. It is a bit old, but will be updated *after* 8.0.0 will be released. - -HTH Regards, - -- Devrim GUNDUZ devrim~gunduz.orgdevrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr http://www.tdmsoft.com http://www.gunduz.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB0EC0tl86P3SPfQ4RAssUAKCe2CU6zgmGXQYKYVV+NvGmREZUwgCgnjL0 aoiF4HRRpkrSMMEby6yzU4s= =auKj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training curriculum
The FSF site explicitly says that free software is not free, it's about freedom. I don't think the idea is to let your kids starve. --Rick Jim C. Nasby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Doug Quale [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training curriculum tgresql.org 12/21/2004 05:41 PM On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 04:13:46PM -0600, Doug Quale wrote: Jim C. Nasby [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am being paid for this training, so keep that in mind if you're a real GPL zealot. ;) Why would a GPL zealot care if you are being paid to provide training? Maybe 'GPL zealot' is a bad choice of words, but it wouldn't surprise me if some people who post training information wouldn't want it used by someone who's going to turn around and make money on it. I suspect few if any PostgreSQL users are like that (since PostgreSQL is BSD licensed), but you never know. -- Jim C. Nasby, Database Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Give your computer some brain candy! www.distributed.net Team #1828 Windows: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? FreeBSD: Are you guys coming, or what? ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
[GENERAL] PostgreSQL training curriculum
I've been contracted to provide 3 days of PostgreSQL training, and I'm wondering if anyone has curriculum they'd like to share with me, or suggestions for course materials. This course is targeted at database experts who want to come up to speed on PostgreSQL, so it will deal mostly with installation, tuning, and troubleshooting. I am being paid for this training, so keep that in mind if you're a real GPL zealot. ;) I've seen that Bruce Momjian has curriculum posted on his website, but I haven't turned anything else up yet. -- Jim C. Nasby, Database Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Give your computer some brain candy! www.distributed.net Team #1828 Windows: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? FreeBSD: Are you guys coming, or what? ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
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Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training curriculum
On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 04:13:46PM -0600, Doug Quale wrote: Jim C. Nasby [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am being paid for this training, so keep that in mind if you're a real GPL zealot. ;) Why would a GPL zealot care if you are being paid to provide training? Maybe 'GPL zealot' is a bad choice of words, but it wouldn't surprise me if some people who post training information wouldn't want it used by someone who's going to turn around and make money on it. I suspect few if any PostgreSQL users are like that (since PostgreSQL is BSD licensed), but you never know. -- Jim C. Nasby, Database Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Give your computer some brain candy! www.distributed.net Team #1828 Windows: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? FreeBSD: Are you guys coming, or what? ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL training curriculum
Or anything else for that matter? The GPL specifically allows you to charge even for the software (for other people's work, in fact); the catch is that you can't prevent the people you sell it to from giving it away for free, so what's the point ;-) (although companies like redhat and mandrake do it all the time, of course... they provide commercial support and nice company-logo books 'n boxes to compensate for that fact, but in the end...) Also, PostgreSQL is *not* covered by the GPL. On Dec 21, 2004, at 5:13 PM, Doug Quale wrote: Jim C. Nasby [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am being paid for this training, so keep that in mind if you're a real GPL zealot. ;) Why would a GPL zealot care if you are being paid to provide training? ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs/FAQ.html --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
[GENERAL] postgresql training course, please recommend
dear all can any one recommend a good postgresql training course in the UK. thanks cheng = Best wishes Z C Wang ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [GENERAL] postgresql training course, please recommend
Hi, On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, [iso-8859-1] zhicheng wang wrote: can any one recommend a good postgresql training course in the UK. thanks http://techdocs.postgresql.org/companies.php Some companies provide training courses for PostgreSQL. Regards, -- Devrim GUNDUZ devrim~gunduz.org devrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr http://www.tdmsoft.com http://www.gunduz.org ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Training
Bret. The MySQL certifications, are international skillset certifications, like MCAD, MCSD, MCSE, RHCE, and LPI certifications, and, from what I understand, similarly, internationally recognised. In my experience these have less to do with being proficient at a disipline and more to do with marketing (of the individual holding the certificate and of the application). The people here are more doers than marketers. That being said, PostgreSQL could sure use some more marketing. My wife is a software developer, by profession. She also trains people, and has trained lecturers, in some of the development software in which she develops. Sounds like there is room for YOU and your wife could get involved in setting up and administering some kind of PorstgreSQL certification program! I have no idea if this would be feasible in the PostgreSQL community or not, and I've read here that Red Hat is doing just that with their dialect of the PostgreSQL server (maybe somebody else can elaborate). As far as books, I just know returned a book to the library, 'Learn SQL in 14 days' or something similiar (sorry, don't remember the author) and the concepts presented there (which includes triggers and procedures, etc.) are transferrable to any SQL database. There are some good PostgreSQL specific books, too (including Bruce Momjian's). If you think there is a need for a basic starter's guide to PostgreSQL you might put one together and offer it (for money, or otherwise!). You are right in that PostgreSQL could benefit from more marketing. The world is your oyster! brew == Strange Brew ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Check out my Musician's Online Database Exchange (The MODE Pages) http://www.TheMode.com == ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
