Re: [Pharo-users] Siren 9.0 Released

[Stéphane Ducasse]

Ok still I’m not sure that we can ship a full image. 
 
I could never understand fully what is a personal license and for me this is 
super simple I do not want to read any VisualWorks
code under a License that is not MIT. This way laywers will never been able to 
tell me that I could have been influenced by protected code. 

S. 

> On 20 May 2020, at 10:19, Richard O'Keefe  wrote:
> 
> Cincom still has a "Personal Use Licence".
> http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/main/community/product-portal/trying-cincom-smalltalk/personal-use-license/
>  
> 
> I am running vw8.3pul, and
> file ~/vw8.3pul/bin/linuxx86_64/visual 
> /home/ok/vw8.3pul/bin/linuxx86_64/visual: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, 
> version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter 
> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped
> it is 64-bit.
> The paid version of VW is up to 9.0, but 8.3 works for me.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 08:16, Stéphane Ducasse  > wrote:
> Thanks Steven this is cool to see that Siren is living and kicking. 
> Last year I was browsing the old site and I was sad because I thought it was 
> dead.  
> Your OSC looks better than the one in Pharo even if we used it successfully 
> to connect interactive tables with a HCI research group. 
> 
> If you need help to migrate from VW let us know because it would be great to 
> have Siren working in Pharo. 
> I did not see any Unit tests and the tests saved us when we migrated Moose. 
> Sometimes we even only kept them because they were
> better than the implementation. It took us around six months and we got free 
> :)
> And we have some contacts that would be interested in London. We could put 
> you in contact.
> 
> Now just some questions and you may know the answer so I ask
>  
>   I was thinking but I may be totally wrong that it was forbidden to give 
> VW images and that the current license 
>   was for personal use only. Long time ago the shrink process was 
> removing the compiler. Now I saw that your image is 42mb. 
> 
>   Personally I do not want to download any VisualWorks distribution and 
> sign their licenses because I want to stay cristal clear 
>   on ANY license and possible issues. I did not look at Visualworks since 
> 2008 and I feel clean and I will stay like that.  
> 
>   So I imagine that I’m not allowed to use your software. I’m not good in 
> music sadly so there is no frustration from my side. 
> 
>   You mention that people can use a non-commercial version of VW but this 
> license does not exist anymore. 
>   
>   Is there a 64 bits version of VW because VW7.5 starts to show its age 
> and on recent mac you only have 64 bits. 
> 
> 
> Some people may think that we are just over the top on open-source but this 
> is not by accident that we took the responsibility to create Pharo. 
> We could not distribute Moose our open-source platform so after 10 years of 
> hard work we had to do something. And we created Pharo. 
> And the problem we got were with the previous version (the non commercial) of 
> the Cincom license and the new one is even more restrictive.
> Some friends of mine told me that some lawyers were starting to get picky and 
> send letters around. 
> So watch out. 
> 
> BTW I did not see the license of Siren on the git repo. If I may suggest one, 
> BSD/MIT are nice, avoid GPL because it means that nobody serious on Smalltalk 
> will ever look at your system and contribute.
> 
> S. 
> 
>> On 14 May 2020, at 01:40, step...@heaveneverywhere.com 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> The Siren system is a general-purpose framework for music and sound 
>> composition, processing, performance, and analysis; it is a collection of 
>> about 350 classes written in Smalltalk-80 (40 kLOC or so). Siren 9.0 works 
>> on VisualWorks Smalltalk (though the bulk has been ported to other dialects 
>> as well); Siren supports streaming I/O via OpenSoundControl (OSC), MIDI, and 
>> multi-channel audio ports. The Siren release is available via the web from 
>> the URL http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren . 
>> 
>> Siren is a programming framework and tool kit; the intended audience is 
>> Smalltalk developers, or users willing to learn Smalltalk in order to write 
>> their own applications. The built-in applications are meant as 
>> demonstrations of the use of the libraries, rather than as end-user 
>> applications. Siren is not a MIDI sequencer, nor a score notation editor, 
>> through both of these applications would be easy to implement with the Siren 
>> framework.
>> 
>> There are several elements to Siren:
>> 
>> * the Smoke music representation language (music magnitudes, events, event 
>> lists, generators, functions, and sounds);
>> 
>> * voices, schedulers and I/O drivers (real-time and file-based 

Re: [Pharo-users] Siren 9.0 Released

[Richard O'Keefe]

Cincom still has a "Personal Use Licence".
http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/main/community/product-portal/trying-cincom-smalltalk/personal-use-license/
I am running vw8.3pul, and
file ~/vw8.3pul/bin/linuxx86_64/visual
/home/ok/vw8.3pul/bin/linuxx86_64/visual: ELF 64-bit LSB executable,
x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped
it is 64-bit.
The paid version of VW is up to 9.0, but 8.3 works for me.


On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 08:16, Stéphane Ducasse 
wrote:

> Thanks Steven this is cool to see that Siren is living and kicking.
> Last year I was browsing the old site and I was sad because I thought it
> was dead.
> Your OSC looks better than the one in Pharo even if we used it
> successfully to connect interactive tables with a HCI research group.
>
> If you need help to migrate from VW let us know because it would be great
> to have Siren working in Pharo.
> I did not see any Unit tests and the tests saved us when we migrated
> Moose. Sometimes we even only kept them because they were
> better than the implementation. It took us around six months and we got
> free :)
> And we have some contacts that would be interested in London. We could put
> you in contact.
>
> Now just some questions and you may know the answer so I ask
>
> I was thinking but I may be totally wrong that it was forbidden to give VW
> images and that the current license
> was for personal use only. Long time ago the shrink process was removing
> the compiler. Now I saw that your image is 42mb.
>
> Personally I do not want to download any VisualWorks distribution and sign
> their licenses because I want to stay cristal clear
> on ANY license and possible issues. I did not look at Visualworks since
> 2008 and I feel clean and I will stay like that.
>
> So I imagine that I’m not allowed to use your software. I’m not good in
> music sadly so there is no frustration from my side.
>
> You mention that people can use a non-commercial version of VW but this
> license does not exist anymore.
> Is there a 64 bits version of VW because VW7.5 starts to show its age and
> on recent mac you only have 64 bits.
>
>
> Some people may think that we are just over the top on open-source but
> this is not by accident that we took the responsibility to create Pharo.
> We could not distribute Moose our open-source platform so after 10 years
> of hard work we had to do something. And we created Pharo.
> And the problem we got were with the previous version (the non commercial)
> of the Cincom license and the new one is even more restrictive.
> Some friends of mine told me that some lawyers were starting to get picky
> and send letters around.
> So watch out.
>
> BTW I did not see the license of Siren on the git repo. If I may suggest
> one,
> BSD/MIT are nice, avoid GPL because it means that nobody serious on
> Smalltalk will ever look at your system and contribute.
>
> S.
>
> On 14 May 2020, at 01:40, step...@heaveneverywhere.com wrote:
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> The Siren system is a general-purpose framework for music and sound
> composition, processing, performance, and analysis; it is a collection of
> about 350 classes written in Smalltalk-80 (40 kLOC or so). Siren 9.0 works
> on VisualWorks Smalltalk (though the bulk has been ported to other dialects
> as well); Siren supports streaming I/O via OpenSoundControl (OSC), MIDI,
> and multi-channel audio ports. The Siren release is available via the web
> from the URL http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren .
>
> Siren is a programming framework and tool kit; the intended audience is
> Smalltalk developers, or users willing to learn Smalltalk in order to write
> their own applications. The built-in applications are meant as
> demonstrations of the use of the libraries, rather than as end-user
> applications. Siren is not a MIDI sequencer, nor a score notation editor,
> through both of these applications would be easy to implement with the
> Siren framework.
>
> There are several elements to Siren:
>
> * the Smoke music representation language (music magnitudes, events, event
> lists, generators, functions, and sounds);
>
> * voices, schedulers and I/O drivers (real-time and file-based voices,
> sound, score file, OSC, and MIDI I/O);
>
> * user interface components for musical applications (UI framework, tools,
> and widgets);
>
> * several built-in applications  (editors and browsers for Smoke objects);
> and
>
> * external library interfaces for streaming I/O and DSP math (sound/MIDI
> I/O, fast FFT, CSL & Loris sound analysis/resynthesis packages )
>
> The best in-depth doc (book chapter) is in,
> http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Doc/SirenBookChapter.pdf
> 
>
> The read the demo code workbook (this text), go to,
> http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Siren7.5.Workbook.html
> 
> or
> http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Siren7.5.Workbook.pdf
> 

Re: [Pharo-users] Siren 9.0 Released

[Todd Blanchard via Pharo-users]

--- Begin Message ---
It is interesting to see that Siren uses PortAudio.  I was considering to 
recommend adopting it for Pharo in the other sound thread.

It has been used in a lot of projects, but I am a little concerned it has not 
been recently updated.

http://www.portaudio.com

> On May 14, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Stéphane Ducasse  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Steven this is cool to see that Siren is living and kicking. 
> Last year I was browsing the old site and I was sad because I thought it was 
> dead.  
> Your OSC looks better than the one in Pharo even if we used it successfully 
> to connect interactive tables with a HCI research group. 
> 
> If you need help to migrate from VW let us know because it would be great to 
> have Siren working in Pharo. 
> I did not see any Unit tests and the tests saved us when we migrated Moose. 
> Sometimes we even only kept them because they were
> better than the implementation. It took us around six months and we got free 
> :)
> And we have some contacts that would be interested in London. We could put 
> you in contact.
> 
> Now just some questions and you may know the answer so I ask
>  
>   I was thinking but I may be totally wrong that it was forbidden to give 
> VW images and that the current license 
>   was for personal use only. Long time ago the shrink process was 
> removing the compiler. Now I saw that your image is 42mb. 
> 
>   Personally I do not want to download any VisualWorks distribution and 
> sign their licenses because I want to stay cristal clear 
>   on ANY license and possible issues. I did not look at Visualworks since 
> 2008 and I feel clean and I will stay like that.  
> 
>   So I imagine that I’m not allowed to use your software. I’m not good in 
> music sadly so there is no frustration from my side. 
> 
>   You mention that people can use a non-commercial version of VW but this 
> license does not exist anymore. 
>   
>   Is there a 64 bits version of VW because VW7.5 starts to show its age 
> and on recent mac you only have 64 bits. 
> 
> 
> Some people may think that we are just over the top on open-source but this 
> is not by accident that we took the responsibility to create Pharo. 
> We could not distribute Moose our open-source platform so after 10 years of 
> hard work we had to do something. And we created Pharo. 
> And the problem we got were with the previous version (the non commercial) of 
> the Cincom license and the new one is even more restrictive.
> Some friends of mine told me that some lawyers were starting to get picky and 
> send letters around. 
> So watch out. 
> 
> BTW I did not see the license of Siren on the git repo. If I may suggest one, 
> BSD/MIT are nice, avoid GPL because it means that nobody serious on Smalltalk 
> will ever look at your system and contribute.
> 
> S. 
> 
>> On 14 May 2020, at 01:40, step...@heaveneverywhere.com 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> The Siren system is a general-purpose framework for music and sound 
>> composition, processing, performance, and analysis; it is a collection of 
>> about 350 classes written in Smalltalk-80 (40 kLOC or so). Siren 9.0 works 
>> on VisualWorks Smalltalk (though the bulk has been ported to other dialects 
>> as well); Siren supports streaming I/O via OpenSoundControl (OSC), MIDI, and 
>> multi-channel audio ports. The Siren release is available via the web from 
>> the URL http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren . 
>> 
>> Siren is a programming framework and tool kit; the intended audience is 
>> Smalltalk developers, or users willing to learn Smalltalk in order to write 
>> their own applications. The built-in applications are meant as 
>> demonstrations of the use of the libraries, rather than as end-user 
>> applications. Siren is not a MIDI sequencer, nor a score notation editor, 
>> through both of these applications would be easy to implement with the Siren 
>> framework.
>> 
>> There are several elements to Siren:
>> 
>> * the Smoke music representation language (music magnitudes, events, event 
>> lists, generators, functions, and sounds);
>> 
>> * voices, schedulers and I/O drivers (real-time and file-based voices, 
>> sound, score file, OSC, and MIDI I/O);
>> 
>> * user interface components for musical applications (UI framework, tools, 
>> and widgets);
>> 
>> * several built-in applications  (editors and browsers for Smoke objects); 
>> and
>> 
>> * external library interfaces for streaming I/O and DSP math (sound/MIDI 
>> I/O, fast FFT, CSL & Loris sound analysis/resynthesis packages )
>> 
>> The best in-depth doc (book chapter) is in,
>>  http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Doc/SirenBookChapter.pdf 
>> 
>> 
>> The read the demo code workbook (this text), go to,
>>  http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Siren7.5.Workbook.html 
>> 
>> 

Re: [Pharo-users] Siren 9.0 Released

[Ben Coman]

On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 04:16, Stéphane Ducasse 
wrote:

> Thanks Steven this is cool to see that Siren is living and kicking.
> Last year I was browsing the old site and I was sad because I thought it
> was dead.
> Your OSC looks better than the one in Pharo even if we used it
> successfully to connect interactive tables with a HCI research group.
>
> If you need help to migrate from VW let us know because it would be great
> to have Siren working in Pharo.
> I did not see any Unit tests and the tests saved us when we migrated
> Moose. Sometimes we even only kept them because they were
> better than the implementation. It took us around six months and we got
> free :)
> And we have some contacts that would be interested in London. We could put
> you in contact.
>
> Now just some questions and you may know the answer so I ask
>
> I was thinking but I may be totally wrong that it was forbidden to give VW
> images and that the current license
> was for personal use only. Long time ago the shrink process was removing
> the compiler. Now I saw that your image is 42mb.
>
> Personally I do not want to download any VisualWorks distribution and sign
> their licenses because I want to stay cristal clear
> on ANY license and possible issues. I did not look at Visualworks since
> 2008 and I feel clean and I will stay like that.
>
> So I imagine that I’m not allowed to use your software. I’m not good in
> music sadly so there is no frustration from my side.
>
> You mention that people can use a non-commercial version of VW but this
> license does not exist anymore.
> Is there a 64 bits version of VW because VW7.5 starts to show its age and
> on recent mac you only have 64 bits.
>
>
> Some people may think that we are just over the top on open-source but
> this is not by accident that we took the responsibility to create Pharo.
> We could not distribute Moose our open-source platform so after 10 years
> of hard work we had to do something. And we created Pharo.
> And the problem we got were with the previous version (the non commercial)
> of the Cincom license and the new one is even more restrictive.
> Some friends of mine told me that some lawyers were starting to get picky
> and send letters around.
> So watch out.
>
> BTW I did not see the license of Siren on the git repo. If I may suggest
> one,
> BSD/MIT are nice, avoid GPL because it means that nobody serious on
> Smalltalk will ever look at your system and contribute.
>

I recently saw an MIT/GPL comparison that I liked which was based on "What
Are You Afraid Of?"
* The MIT license is if you’re afraid no one will use your code; you’re
making the licensing as short and non-intimidating as possible.   MIT is
good for projects with a small audience where you want to maximize
community growth.
* The GPL license is if you are afraid of someone else profiting from your
work, i.e. how you would feel about that versus how likely it is to
happen.  GPL can be good for large infrastructure projects (Linux) to
reduce money driven feature fracturization of the community.

cheers -ben

Re: [Pharo-users] Siren 9.0 Released

[Serge Stinckwich]

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:16 AM Stéphane Ducasse 
wrote:

> Thanks Steven this is cool to see that Siren is living and kicking.
> Last year I was browsing the old site and I was sad because I thought it
> was dead.
> Your OSC looks better than the one in Pharo even if we used it
> successfully to connect interactive tables with a HCI research group.
>
> If you need help to migrate from VW let us know because it would be great
> to have Siren working in Pharo.
> I did not see any Unit tests and the tests saved us when we migrated
> Moose. Sometimes we even only kept them because they were
> better than the implementation. It took us around six months and we got
> free :)
> And we have some contacts that would be interested in London. We could put
> you in contact.
>
> Now just some questions and you may know the answer so I ask
>
> I was thinking but I may be totally wrong that it was forbidden to give VW
> images and that the current license
> was for personal use only. Long time ago the shrink process was removing
> the compiler. Now I saw that your image is 42mb.
>
> Personally I do not want to download any VisualWorks distribution and sign
> their licenses because I want to stay cristal clear
> on ANY license and possible issues. I did not look at Visualworks since
> 2008 and I feel clean and I will stay like that.
>
> So I imagine that I’m not allowed to use your software. I’m not good in
> music sadly so there is no frustration from my side.
>
> You mention that people can use a non-commercial version of VW but this
> license does not exist anymore.
> Is there a 64 bits version of VW because VW7.5 starts to show its age and
> on recent mac you only have 64 bits.
>
>
> Some people may think that we are just over the top on open-source but
> this is not by accident that we took the responsibility to create Pharo.
> We could not distribute Moose our open-source platform so after 10 years
> of hard work we had to do something. And we created Pharo.
> And the problem we got were with the previous version (the non commercial)
> of the Cincom license and the new one is even more restrictive.
> Some friends of mine told me that some lawyers were starting to get picky
> and send letters around.
> So watch out.
>
> BTW I did not see the license of Siren on the git repo. If I may suggest
> one,
> BSD/MIT are nice, avoid GPL because it means that nobody serious on
> Smalltalk will ever look at your system and contribute.
>
>
I found the project interesting, but without a clear licence MIT, I can be
involved unfortunately.
Regards,
-- 
Serge Stinckwic
h
https://twitter.com/SergeStinckwich

Re: [Pharo-users] Siren 9.0 Released

[Stéphane Ducasse]

Thanks Steven this is cool to see that Siren is living and kicking. 
Last year I was browsing the old site and I was sad because I thought it was 
dead.  
Your OSC looks better than the one in Pharo even if we used it successfully to 
connect interactive tables with a HCI research group. 

If you need help to migrate from VW let us know because it would be great to 
have Siren working in Pharo. 
I did not see any Unit tests and the tests saved us when we migrated Moose. 
Sometimes we even only kept them because they were
better than the implementation. It took us around six months and we got free :)
And we have some contacts that would be interested in London. We could put you 
in contact.

Now just some questions and you may know the answer so I ask
 
I was thinking but I may be totally wrong that it was forbidden to give 
VW images and that the current license 
was for personal use only. Long time ago the shrink process was 
removing the compiler. Now I saw that your image is 42mb. 

Personally I do not want to download any VisualWorks distribution and 
sign their licenses because I want to stay cristal clear 
on ANY license and possible issues. I did not look at Visualworks since 
2008 and I feel clean and I will stay like that.  

So I imagine that I’m not allowed to use your software. I’m not good in 
music sadly so there is no frustration from my side. 

You mention that people can use a non-commercial version of VW but this 
license does not exist anymore. 

Is there a 64 bits version of VW because VW7.5 starts to show its age 
and on recent mac you only have 64 bits. 


Some people may think that we are just over the top on open-source but this is 
not by accident that we took the responsibility to create Pharo. 
We could not distribute Moose our open-source platform so after 10 years of 
hard work we had to do something. And we created Pharo. 
And the problem we got were with the previous version (the non commercial) of 
the Cincom license and the new one is even more restrictive.
Some friends of mine told me that some lawyers were starting to get picky and 
send letters around. 
So watch out. 

BTW I did not see the license of Siren on the git repo. If I may suggest one, 
BSD/MIT are nice, avoid GPL because it means that nobody serious on Smalltalk 
will ever look at your system and contribute.

S. 

> On 14 May 2020, at 01:40, step...@heaveneverywhere.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> The Siren system is a general-purpose framework for music and sound 
> composition, processing, performance, and analysis; it is a collection of 
> about 350 classes written in Smalltalk-80 (40 kLOC or so). Siren 9.0 works on 
> VisualWorks Smalltalk (though the bulk has been ported to other dialects as 
> well); Siren supports streaming I/O via OpenSoundControl (OSC), MIDI, and 
> multi-channel audio ports. The Siren release is available via the web from 
> the URL http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren . 
> 
> Siren is a programming framework and tool kit; the intended audience is 
> Smalltalk developers, or users willing to learn Smalltalk in order to write 
> their own applications. The built-in applications are meant as demonstrations 
> of the use of the libraries, rather than as end-user applications. Siren is 
> not a MIDI sequencer, nor a score notation editor, through both of these 
> applications would be easy to implement with the Siren framework.
> 
> There are several elements to Siren:
> 
> * the Smoke music representation language (music magnitudes, events, event 
> lists, generators, functions, and sounds);
> 
> * voices, schedulers and I/O drivers (real-time and file-based voices, sound, 
> score file, OSC, and MIDI I/O);
> 
> * user interface components for musical applications (UI framework, tools, 
> and widgets);
> 
> * several built-in applications  (editors and browsers for Smoke objects); and
> 
> * external library interfaces for streaming I/O and DSP math (sound/MIDI I/O, 
> fast FFT, CSL & Loris sound analysis/resynthesis packages )
> 
> The best in-depth doc (book chapter) is in,
>   http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Doc/SirenBookChapter.pdf 
> 
> 
> The read the demo code workbook (this text), go to,
>   http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Siren7.5.Workbook.html 
> 
> or
>   http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Siren7.5.Workbook.pdf 
> 
> 
> If you like to read manuals, take a look at,
>   http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Manual 
> 
> or watch the detailed Siren demo at,
>   https://vimeo.com/120751122 
> 
> The links to get Siren9 are,
> 
> Web site: http://fastlabinc.com/Siren 
> 
> Package download: http://fastlabinc.com/Siren/Siren_9.0.zip 
> 

[Pharo-users] Siren 9.0 Released

[step...@heaveneverywhere.com]

Hello all,

The Siren system is a general-purpose framework for music and sound 
composition, processing, performance, and analysis; it is a collection of about 
350 classes written in Smalltalk-80 (40 kLOC or so). Siren 9.0 works on 
VisualWorks Smalltalk (though the bulk has been ported to other dialects as 
well); Siren supports streaming I/O via OpenSoundControl (OSC), MIDI, and 
multi-channel audio ports. The Siren release is available via the web from the 
URL http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren. 

Siren is a programming framework and tool kit; the intended audience is 
Smalltalk developers, or users willing to learn Smalltalk in order to write 
their own applications. The built-in applications are meant as demonstrations 
of the use of the libraries, rather than as end-user applications. Siren is not 
a MIDI sequencer, nor a score notation editor, through both of these 
applications would be easy to implement with the Siren framework.

There are several elements to Siren:

* the Smoke music representation language (music magnitudes, events, event 
lists, generators, functions, and sounds);

* voices, schedulers and I/O drivers (real-time and file-based voices, sound, 
score file, OSC, and MIDI I/O);

* user interface components for musical applications (UI framework, tools, and 
widgets);

* several built-in applications  (editors and browsers for Smoke objects); and

* external library interfaces for streaming I/O and DSP math (sound/MIDI I/O, 
fast FFT, CSL & Loris sound analysis/resynthesis packages )

The best in-depth doc (book chapter) is in,
http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Doc/SirenBookChapter.pdf

The read the demo code workbook (this text), go to,
http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Siren7.5.Workbook.html
or
http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Siren7.5.Workbook.pdf

If you like to read manuals, take a look at,
http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Manual

or watch the detailed Siren demo at,
https://vimeo.com/120751122

The links to get Siren9 are,

Web site: http://fastlabinc.com/Siren 

Package download: http://fastlabinc.com/Siren/Siren_9.0.zip 


Github repo: https://github.com/stpope/Siren9 


Comments solicited.

Stephen Pope


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