Re: [Phono-L] Victor XII questions
MV: Thanks for your interest in my posts with regard to a recently obtained Victor Xii. You mention Victor XII had 2 styles, OLD New). What is the difference in them? I believe the machine I have is a very restorable machine as the only thing missing, are the knobs reproducer, as far as I can tell.the back lid hinge is split away from the bottom of the cabinet with some cracks splintering. The crank has been sheered off at the support post however, that is the extent of its major problems. Like all machines I get, I like to explore them and disassemble them down to their nuts Bolts, thus my questions as to the motor tone arm, to understand phonos. This is how over the years I have been able to learn about phonos and repair some as well. Not to exclude the valuable support from Phono-listers family and friends. You offer one of your machines to an interested person who wants to preserve / or obtain one. What is your price? Again, I have a Victor VI so don't need parts. I really don't have the room for a, what I consider a large table model and I will be doing something with this. It depends on what works the best. I agree, parting out machines can be a disregard for the points you offer, and I also have run across machines which have been parted out! I obtained a Victor X table model and what remained was only the cabinet, back bracket, and horn. Hey! How about an offer! *smile* Later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of ny victrolaman Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:43 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor XII questions I know I'm walking into the middle of a discussion here, but I truly hope that no one is seriously considering breaking up a Victrola XII to use the parts on a different model machine -- or, for that matter, doing anything with it besides restoring it. The XII is a very rare and historically-important machine. It was the first tabletop Victrola, and only the second Victrola model ever produced. Victor made fewer than 5,000 of them, split about evenly between the old style and the new style. To take parts from a XII and use them on a Victor VI (of which Victor manufactured more than 17,000!), or any other machine, would be truly tragic. If for some reason the machine is not restorable, the parts would be extremely valuable to someone with an incomplete (or broken) XII who has no doubt been searching for them for years. I am the proud owner of two old style Victrola XII's, restored and complete with keys. They are beautiful machines, the pride of my collection, although I sometimes feel guilty owning two of them. If someone is looking for one, let me know. MV P.S. If I am mistaken about the nature or content of this discussion, please accept my apology. On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: phono-list: I am exploring the Victor XII I have and before deciding what to do with it, I have some questions. I am a little confused by the disassembly of the Victor XII motor removal of the tone arm. It is my experience that when removing a motor from the motor board, it involves removing the bolts from the motor board and the motor ( with the spindle attached) drops out the opening in the center of the motor board In the case of the Victor XII, no hole in the motor board, large enough to accommodate the Cup portion . So: Does the spindle top portion above the motor board, thread apart, allowing the bottom portion to be removed and be separated from the top? Does the spindle need to be removed by loosening the gear which meshes with the governor shaft, then pulled up from the top and the motor board can be removed? With regard to the tone arm removal: It appears that the tone arm bracket is in 2 parts. To remove the tone arm from the shaft in the bracket do you: Loosen the screw in the tone arm from the shaft, somehow, push the rod / shaft down and then tilt the shaft and slide the tone arm off similar to a Victor II -VI: Or, remove the 2 bolts holding the top part from the base and it will come apart in pieces and can be removed by removing the tone arm from the shaft after it is out of the bracket? What is the function of the cup shaped part on the top portion of spindle? It seems like a rest sport for the platter. Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor XII questions
Ron: I spent a little time with some oil a hair dryer, heated it up and the bracket came in two parts. After a little convincing from a small wooden mallet caution care. I still am just: studying the motor. again, thanks Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 7:13 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor XII questions My Type 6 has the cup but the hole in the wood is big enough for it to drop through. I've never had the motor out of it so I'm not sure. It may be a press fit, removable after the cross pin is tapped out. I do know that its purpose is to support the turntable but allow it to tilt a bit without putting strain on the center shaft, which does not have a very large diameter. Without the cup one could lean on the TT and bend the shaft. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 7:09 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Victor XII questions phono-list: I am exploring the Victor XII I have and before deciding what to do with it, I have some questions. I am a little confused by the disassembly of the Victor XII motor removal of the tone arm. It is my experience that when removing a motor from the motor board, it involves removing the bolts from the motor board and the motor ( with the spindle attached) drops out the opening in the center of the motor board In the case of the Victor XII, no hole in the motor board, large enough to accommodate the Cup portion . So: Does the spindle top portion above the motor board, thread apart, allowing the bottom portion to be removed and be separated from the top? Does the spindle need to be removed by loosening the gear which meshes with the governor shaft, then pulled up from the top and the motor board can be removed? With regard to the tone arm removal: It appears that the tone arm bracket is in 2 parts. To remove the tone arm from the shaft in the bracket do you: Loosen the screw in the tone arm from the shaft, somehow, push the rod / shaft down and then tilt the shaft and slide the tone arm off similar to a Victor II -VI: Or, remove the 2 bolts holding the top part from the base and it will come apart in pieces and can be removed by removing the tone arm from the shaft after it is out of the bracket? What is the function of the cup shaped part on the top portion of spindle? It seems like a rest sport for the platter. Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Burns Pollock Phono Lamp Motor
I am looking for the electric motor for a Burns and Pollock Phono Lamp or parts for the motor including the fiber gear. This is the motor with the tin cover on the bottom. Any information on whom can cut fiber gears would be great appreciated. Also looking for the speed control knob for the same phonograph. Please contact me off list. Thanks ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Burns Pollock Phono Lamp Motor
Any machine shop can cut a gear in any material. Modern fiber gears are usually cut from nylon or delrin plastics. From: c5...@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:10:29 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Burns Pollock Phono Lamp Motor I am looking for the electric motor for a Burns and Pollock Phono Lamp or parts for the motor including the fiber gear. This is the motor with the tin cover on the bottom. Any information on whom can cut fiber gears would be great appreciated. Also looking for the speed control knob for the same phonograph. Please contact me off list. Thanks ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Burns Pollock Phono Lamp Motor
You need to look for a hobbyist machinist who will cut one for you as the cost to setup and machine a single gear will take your breath away. A small independent job shop would do it but you will need drawings and specifications, but still expensive. On 10/28/2012 12:08 PM, John Maeder wrote: Any machine shop can cut a gear in any material. Modern fiber gears are usually cut from nylon or delrin plastics. From: c5...@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:10:29 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Burns Pollock Phono Lamp Motor I am looking for the electric motor for a Burns and Pollock Phono Lamp or parts for the motor including the fiber gear. This is the motor with the tin cover on the bottom. Any information on whom can cut fiber gears would be great appreciated. Also looking for the speed control knob for the same phonograph. Please contact me off list. Thanks ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor
I just restored my Fairy Phono Lamp, but found that the motor needs rewinding and the shaft is bent... Anyone have a motor for this? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor
Can you forward pictures of your motor? Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:09 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor I just restored my Fairy Phono Lamp, but found that the motor needs rewinding and the shaft is bent... Anyone have a motor for this? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor
Hi Do you have a big belt pulley from a suitcase home motor? -Barry - Reply message - From: George victr...@triton.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor Date: Sun, Oct 28, 2012 3:25 pm Can you forward pictures of your motor? Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:09 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor I just restored my Fairy Phono Lamp, but found that the motor needs rewinding and the shaft is bent... Anyone have a motor for this? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII
The first style XII is a little plainer than the later XII. The doors over the horn are very thin. The later XII has a bit of fancy trim that runs around the machine under the lid and the doors over the horn are slightly taller. I think the model was made for slightly over a year and production must have been quite evenly split between the two styles. I think the mechanical parts were the same for each style. I think it's very interesting that when Victor introduced less expensive table model Victrolas, like the table model X and slightly later the IX, the top of the horn was open and the motor sat in the horn. Any noise produced by the motor came out through the horn. It must have been an effort to use up the more obsolete motors. One does not normally find evidence where Victor blatantly sacrificed quality and performance. Wouldn't it be interesting to sit in a meeting where these decisions were made by Victor executives? Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor
Look around for a motor rebuilding company. http://www.claytonelectricmotorrepair.com/ Takes you to one that may fit the bill. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:09 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor I just restored my Fairy Phono Lamp, but found that the motor needs rewinding and the shaft is bent... Anyone have a motor for this? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor
Thanks Ron... I'll check them out, as they are not too far away. The problem I am having is finding someone willing to rebuild a small motor - reasonably. I found one in Michigan that wants $900 to rewind the motor and straighten the shaft - seems kind of excessive. From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:25:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor Look around for a motor rebuilding company. http://www.claytonelectricmotorrepair.com/ Takes you to one that may fit the bill. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:09 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor I just restored my Fairy Phono Lamp, but found that the motor needs rewinding and the shaft is bent... Anyone have a motor for this? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor
There are no --coils in a box-- for those antique motors. Requires hand rewinding by a skilled craftsman. Would be cheaper if you went to the library and got an old book on motor rewinding and did it yourself. Figure about 8 hours of labor to do the job from an experienced person from start to finish. On 10/28/2012 04:54 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Thanks Ron... I'll check them out, as they are not too far away. The problem I am having is finding someone willing to rebuild a small motor - reasonably. I found one in Michigan that wants $900 to rewind the motor and straighten the shaft - seems kind of excessive. From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:25:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor Look around for a motor rebuilding company. http://www.claytonelectricmotorrepair.com/ Takes you to one that may fit the bill. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:09 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor I just restored my Fairy Phono Lamp, but found that the motor needs rewinding and the shaft is bent... Anyone have a motor for this? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII
Jerry: thanks for the information. I think I have the earlier one as I don't find any fancy molding around the machine at all. the phonograph ID plate has, what must be the sn of: 504 Interesting, the machine also has a company id plate as well. It is from Sherman, and Clay co. from Spokane. I looked it up and they started a store in 1906. OH! I was mistaken, I was able to remove the motor from the motor board. I just needed a little more time and investigation. thanks Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DeeDee Blais Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:16 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII The first style XII is a little plainer than the later XII. The doors over the horn are very thin. The later XII has a bit of fancy trim that runs around the machine under the lid and the doors over the horn are slightly taller. I think the model was made for slightly over a year and production must have been quite evenly split between the two styles. I think the mechanical parts were the same for each style. I think it's very interesting that when Victor introduced less expensive table model Victrolas, like the table model X and slightly later the IX, the top of the horn was open and the motor sat in the horn. Any noise produced by the motor came out through the horn. It must have been an effort to use up the more obsolete motors. One does not normally find evidence where Victor blatantly sacrificed quality and performance. Wouldn't it be interesting to sit in a meeting where these decisions were made by Victor executives? Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Amberola horn suspension spring needed
Hi Does anyone have a suspension spring for an Amberola horn 30/50/75? This is the spring that suspends the horn fron the little hook under the bedplate. My friend Dick Carty needs one. Thanks! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII
Given that serial numbers started at 501, that would be extremely early. A real find, indeed! Loran On Oct 28, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: Jerry: thanks for the information. I think I have the earlier one as I don't find any fancy molding around the machine at all. the phonograph ID plate has, what must be the sn of: 504 Interesting, the machine also has a company id plate as well. It is from Sherman, and Clay co. from Spokane. I looked it up and they started a store in 1906. OH! I was mistaken, I was able to remove the motor from the motor board. I just needed a little more time and investigation. thanks Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DeeDee Blais Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:16 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII The first style XII is a little plainer than the later XII. The doors over the horn are very thin. The later XII has a bit of fancy trim that runs around the machine under the lid and the doors over the horn are slightly taller. I think the model was made for slightly over a year and production must have been quite evenly split between the two styles. I think the mechanical parts were the same for each style. I think it's very interesting that when Victor introduced less expensive table model Victrolas, like the table model X and slightly later the IX, the top of the horn was open and the motor sat in the horn. Any noise produced by the motor came out through the horn. It must have been an effort to use up the more obsolete motors. One does not normally find evidence where Victor blatantly sacrificed quality and performance. Wouldn't it be interesting to sit in a meeting where these decisions were made by Victor executives? Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII
Loran: So... If the Victor VV-XII was the first table model made, and this one has the sn 504 Does that indicate it was the 3rd Victor table phonograph made? later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Loran Hughes Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 5:19 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII Given that serial numbers started at 501, that would be extremely early. A real find, indeed! Loran On Oct 28, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: Jerry: thanks for the information. I think I have the earlier one as I don't find any fancy molding around the machine at all. the phonograph ID plate has, what must be the sn of: 504 Interesting, the machine also has a company id plate as well. It is from Sherman, and Clay co. from Spokane. I looked it up and they started a store in 1906. OH! I was mistaken, I was able to remove the motor from the motor board. I just needed a little more time and investigation. thanks Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DeeDee Blais Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:16 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII The first style XII is a little plainer than the later XII. The doors over the horn are very thin. The later XII has a bit of fancy trim that runs around the machine under the lid and the doors over the horn are slightly taller. I think the model was made for slightly over a year and production must have been quite evenly split between the two styles. I think the mechanical parts were the same for each style. I think it's very interesting that when Victor introduced less expensive table model Victrolas, like the table model X and slightly later the IX, the top of the horn was open and the motor sat in the horn. Any noise produced by the motor came out through the horn. It must have been an effort to use up the more obsolete motors. One does not normally find evidence where Victor blatantly sacrificed quality and performance. Wouldn't it be interesting to sit in a meeting where these decisions were made by Victor executives? Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII
Hi Bob ~ I believe you have the fourth Victor XII: 501 was the first 502 503 504 Congratulations! It's relatively unlikely that the three earlier s.n.'s will ever surface, so unless/until the unlikely day that one does, you can claim to have the earliest currently known VV-XII. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Oct 28, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Bob Maffit wrote: Loran: So... If the Victor VV-XII was the first table model made, and this one has the sn 504 Does that indicate it was the 3rd Victor table phonograph made? later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Loran Hughes Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 5:19 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII Given that serial numbers started at 501, that would be extremely early. A real find, indeed! Loran On Oct 28, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: Jerry: thanks for the information. I think I have the earlier one as I don't find any fancy molding around the machine at all. the phonograph ID plate has, what must be the sn of: 504 Interesting, the machine also has a company id plate as well. It is from Sherman, and Clay co. from Spokane. I looked it up and they started a store in 1906. OH! I was mistaken, I was able to remove the motor from the motor board. I just needed a little more time and investigation. thanks Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DeeDee Blais Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:16 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII The first style XII is a little plainer than the later XII. The doors over the horn are very thin. The later XII has a bit of fancy trim that runs around the machine under the lid and the doors over the horn are slightly taller. I think the model was made for slightly over a year and production must have been quite evenly split between the two styles. I think the mechanical parts were the same for each style. I think it's very interesting that when Victor introduced less expensive table model Victrolas, like the table model X and slightly later the IX, the top of the horn was open and the motor sat in the horn. Any noise produced by the motor came out through the horn. It must have been an effort to use up the more obsolete motors. One does not normally find evidence where Victor blatantly sacrificed quality and performance. Wouldn't it be interesting to sit in a meeting where these decisions were made by Victor executives? Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors
I'm looking for information about the practice of turning a spring wound phono motor into a trolling motor/line winder. Ever see on, build one, use one? Got pictures? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor
Hi Rich, Thanks for that info... I spent a lot of time restoring the phono, so figuring out how to rewind the motor would be interesting. Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:20:02 -0500 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor There are no --coils in a box-- for those antique motors. Requires hand rewinding by a skilled craftsman. Would be cheaper if you went to the library and got an old book on motor rewinding and did it yourself. Figure about 8 hours of labor to do the job from an experienced person from start to finish. On 10/28/2012 04:54 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Thanks Ron... I'll check them out, as they are not too far away. The problem I am having is finding someone willing to rebuild a small motor - reasonably. I found one in Michigan that wants $900 to rewind the motor and straighten the shaft - seems kind of excessive. From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:25:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor Look around for a motor rebuilding company. http://www.claytonelectricmotorrepair.com/ Takes you to one that may fit the bill. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:09 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor I just restored my Fairy Phono Lamp, but found that the motor needs rewinding and the shaft is bent... Anyone have a motor for this? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors
I haven't seen one of those Ron, but if you get an old crank generator from an early telephone, I have heard that works for fishing... :) From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:12:24 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I'm looking for information about the practice of turning a spring wound phono motor into a trolling motor/line winder. Ever see on, build one, use one? Got pictures? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor
I will try to send one this week. Its the big cast motor. Thanks In a message dated 10/28/2012 3:39:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, victr...@triton.net writes: Can you forward pictures of your motor? Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:09 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor I just restored my Fairy Phono Lamp, but found that the motor needs rewinding and the shaft is bent... Anyone have a motor for this? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors
I had an amberola 50 someone did that with. The cut the mandrel in pieces, a front and back with a wood V shaped center that held the string. They made a wooden box to hold the motor. I might have saved the mandrel and I think I still have the wooden box. Steve From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:12:24 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I'm looking for information about the practice of turning a spring wound phono motor into a trolling motor/line winder. Ever see on, build one, use one? Got pictures? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII
Andrew: thanks for the correction on it being the 4th machine. great! later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Baron Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:00 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII Hi Bob ~ I believe you have the fourth Victor XII: 501 was the first 502 503 504 Congratulations! It's relatively unlikely that the three earlier s.n.'s will ever surface, so unless/until the unlikely day that one does, you can claim to have the earliest currently known VV-XII. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Oct 28, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Bob Maffit wrote: Loran: So... If the Victor VV-XII was the first table model made, and this one has the sn 504 Does that indicate it was the 3rd Victor table phonograph made? later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Loran Hughes Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 5:19 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII Given that serial numbers started at 501, that would be extremely early. A real find, indeed! Loran On Oct 28, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: Jerry: thanks for the information. I think I have the earlier one as I don't find any fancy molding around the machine at all. the phonograph ID plate has, what must be the sn of: 504 Interesting, the machine also has a company id plate as well. It is from Sherman, and Clay co. from Spokane. I looked it up and they started a store in 1906. OH! I was mistaken, I was able to remove the motor from the motor board. I just needed a little more time and investigation. thanks Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DeeDee Blais Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:16 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII The first style XII is a little plainer than the later XII. The doors over the horn are very thin. The later XII has a bit of fancy trim that runs around the machine under the lid and the doors over the horn are slightly taller. I think the model was made for slightly over a year and production must have been quite evenly split between the two styles. I think the mechanical parts were the same for each style. I think it's very interesting that when Victor introduced less expensive table model Victrolas, like the table model X and slightly later the IX, the top of the horn was open and the motor sat in the horn. Any noise produced by the motor came out through the horn. It must have been an effort to use up the more obsolete motors. One does not normally find evidence where Victor blatantly sacrificed quality and performance. Wouldn't it be interesting to sit in a meeting where these decisions were made by Victor executives? Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor
Take photos, we all enjoy seeing what a skilled person can do. Could you have someone machine a new shaft? Steve From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:23:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor Hi Rich, Thanks for that info... I spent a lot of time restoring the phono, so figuring out how to rewind the motor would be interesting. Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:20:02 -0500 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor There are no --coils in a box-- for those antique motors. Requires hand rewinding by a skilled craftsman. Would be cheaper if you went to the library and got an old book on motor rewinding and did it yourself. Figure about 8 hours of labor to do the job from an experienced person from start to finish. On 10/28/2012 04:54 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Thanks Ron... I'll check them out, as they are not too far away. The problem I am having is finding someone willing to rebuild a small motor - reasonably. I found one in Michigan that wants $900 to rewind the motor and straighten the shaft - seems kind of excessive. From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:25:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor Look around for a motor rebuilding company. http://www.claytonelectricmotorrepair.com/ Takes you to one that may fit the bill. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:09 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor I just restored my Fairy Phono Lamp, but found that the motor needs rewinding and the shaft is bent... Anyone have a motor for this? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors
Hello Ron, For only $80 you can own one. http://www.rubylane.com/item/167844-10324/Victrola-Wind-up-Fishing-Reel Steve From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:12:24 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I'm looking for information about the practice of turning a spring wound phono motor into a trolling motor/line winder. Ever see on, build one, use one? Got pictures? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor
Do you know what type of motor it is and what has convinced you that it needs rewound? The reason I ask is those are not at all like straight forward motors that inhabit reasonably modern turntables. On 10/28/2012 08:23 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for that info... I spent a lot of time restoring the phono, so figuring out how to rewind the motor would be interesting. Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:20:02 -0500 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor There are no --coils in a box-- for those antique motors. Requires hand rewinding by a skilled craftsman. Would be cheaper if you went to the library and got an old book on motor rewinding and did it yourself. Figure about 8 hours of labor to do the job from an experienced person from start to finish. On 10/28/2012 04:54 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Thanks Ron... I'll check them out, as they are not too far away. The problem I am having is finding someone willing to rebuild a small motor - reasonably. I found one in Michigan that wants $900 to rewind the motor and straighten the shaft - seems kind of excessive. From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:25:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor Look around for a motor rebuilding company. http://www.claytonelectricmotorrepair.com/ Takes you to one that may fit the bill. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:09 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor I just restored my Fairy Phono Lamp, but found that the motor needs rewinding and the shaft is bent... Anyone have a motor for this? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors
Here in the Finger Lakes of New York state, we occasionally see trolling motors made from phonograph spring motors. Believe it or not, there was a guy still doing this at least up to about 5 years ago. Several antique dealers have told me they sell their junk machines to this guy who installs the motors into nice-looking wooden boxes for fishermen. No one seems to know his name, but all gave the same location as to where he was from (Hammondsport). I was never able to track him down. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Oct 28, 2012 10:35 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I had an amberola 50 someone did that with. The cut the mandrel in pieces, a front and back with a wood V shaped center that held the string. They made a wooden box to hold the motor. I might have saved the mandrel and I think I still have the wooden box. Steve From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:12:24 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I'm looking for information about the practice of turning a spring wound phono motor into a trolling motor/line winder. Ever see on, build one, use one? Got pictures? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor
Steve, Machining a new shaft or straightening the old one, shouldn't be a problem... however, I have never rewound a motor. From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 22:25:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor Take photos, we all enjoy seeing what a skilled person can do. Could you have someone machine a new shaft? Steve From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:23:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor Hi Rich, Thanks for that info... I spent a lot of time restoring the phono, so figuring out how to rewind the motor would be interesting. Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:20:02 -0500 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor There are no --coils in a box-- for those antique motors. Requires hand rewinding by a skilled craftsman. Would be cheaper if you went to the library and got an old book on motor rewinding and did it yourself. Figure about 8 hours of labor to do the job from an experienced person from start to finish. On 10/28/2012 04:54 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Thanks Ron... I'll check them out, as they are not too far away. The problem I am having is finding someone willing to rebuild a small motor - reasonably. I found one in Michigan that wants $900 to rewind the motor and straighten the shaft - seems kind of excessive. From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:25:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor Look around for a motor rebuilding company. http://www.claytonelectricmotorrepair.com/ Takes you to one that may fit the bill. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:09 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor I just restored my Fairy Phono Lamp, but found that the motor needs rewinding and the shaft is bent... Anyone have a motor for this? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors
Now that I've seen one, I'm tearing a VTLA apart to make one... :) From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 22:29:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors Hello Ron, For only $80 you can own one. http://www.rubylane.com/item/167844-10324/Victrola-Wind-up-Fishing-Reel Steve From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:12:24 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I'm looking for information about the practice of turning a spring wound phono motor into a trolling motor/line winder. Ever see on, build one, use one? Got pictures? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor
Rich, I sent it to a shop in Michigan to have it checked out. There was give in the shaft causing worn bearings and as it turned it had a binding spot, which turned out to be a slight bend. It also arced and lost power when it was running and fluctuated from pulling a record to coming to a complete stop. The bend may have been caused by overheating from the arcing. Apparently there was a short in the AC windings. It is unusual, since it was made to run on AC, DC and 220 current. I have thought about using a small modern industrial motor that would fit in the original motor housing, but haven't completely explored that idea. A modern turntable motor wouldn't be strong enought to turn the worm drive gearing with governors and the turntable which is quite heavy, not to mention the needle drag... I am not sure what an equivalent antique motor might be and thought about using an Edison electric motor from an Ediphone or other antique electric phono motor, if I can't get this one goin g. Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:30:09 -0500 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor Do you know what type of motor it is and what has convinced you that it needs rewound? The reason I ask is those are not at all like straight forward motors that inhabit reasonably modern turntables. On 10/28/2012 08:23 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for that info... I spent a lot of time restoring the phono, so figuring out how to rewind the motor would be interesting. Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:20:02 -0500 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor There are no --coils in a box-- for those antique motors. Requires hand rewinding by a skilled craftsman. Would be cheaper if you went to the library and got an old book on motor rewinding and did it yourself. Figure about 8 hours of labor to do the job from an experienced person from start to finish. On 10/28/2012 04:54 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Thanks Ron... I'll check them out, as they are not too far away. The problem I am having is finding someone willing to rebuild a small motor - reasonably. I found one in Michigan that wants $900 to rewind the motor and straighten the shaft - seems kind of excessive. From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:25:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor Look around for a motor rebuilding company. http://www.claytonelectricmotorrepair.com/ Takes you to one that may fit the bill. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:09 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor I just restored my Fairy Phono Lamp, but found that the motor needs rewinding and the shaft is bent... Anyone have a motor for this? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors
Saw that. Don't want to own it! Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 10:29 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors Hello Ron, For only $80 you can own one. http://www.rubylane.com/item/167844-10324/Victrola-Wind-up-Fishing-Reel Steve From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:12:24 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I'm looking for information about the practice of turning a spring wound phono motor into a trolling motor/line winder. Ever see on, build one, use one? Got pictures? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors
All of this destruction makes me want to mount an Edison horn on my leaf blower for extra volume... To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: gpaul2...@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 23:18:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors Here in the Finger Lakes of New York state, we occasionally see trolling motors made from phonograph spring motors. Believe it or not, there was a guy still doing this at least up to about 5 years ago. Several antique dealers have told me they sell their junk machines to this guy who installs the motors into nice-looking wooden boxes for fishermen. No one seems to know his name, but all gave the same location as to where he was from (Hammondsport). I was never able to track him down. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Oct 28, 2012 10:35 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I had an amberola 50 someone did that with. The cut the mandrel in pieces, a front and back with a wood V shaped center that held the string. They made a wooden box to hold the motor. I might have saved the mandrel and I think I still have the wooden box. Steve From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:12:24 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I'm looking for information about the practice of turning a spring wound phono motor into a trolling motor/line winder. Ever see on, build one, use one? Got pictures? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor
That is probably a universal motor and they throw much fire when operating. I doubt that it is fatally grounded and someone who has dealt with them can probably fix it or George may have a replacement as it is probably a common off the shelf period part. As long as the armature is not open or grounded they are fixable. Bearings and shaft straightening is the easy part. On 10/28/2012 11:01 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Rich, I sent it to a shop in Michigan to have it checked out. There was give in the shaft causing worn bearings and as it turned it had a binding spot, which turned out to be a slight bend. It also arced and lost power when it was running and fluctuated from pulling a record to coming to a complete stop. The bend may have been caused by overheating from the arcing. Apparently there was a short in the AC windings. It is unusual, since it was made to run on AC, DC and 220 current. I have thought about using a small modern industrial motor that would fit in the original motor housing, but haven't completely explored that idea. A modern turntable motor wouldn't be strong enought to turn the worm drive gearing with governors and the turntable which is quite heavy, not to mention the needle drag... I am not sure what an equivalent antique motor might be and thought about using an Edison electric motor from an Ediphone or other antique electric phono motor, if I can't get this one go in g. Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:30:09 -0500 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor Do you know what type of motor it is and what has convinced you that it needs rewound? The reason I ask is those are not at all like straight forward motors that inhabit reasonably modern turntables. On 10/28/2012 08:23 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for that info... I spent a lot of time restoring the phono, so figuring out how to rewind the motor would be interesting. Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:20:02 -0500 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor There are no --coils in a box-- for those antique motors. Requires hand rewinding by a skilled craftsman. Would be cheaper if you went to the library and got an old book on motor rewinding and did it yourself. Figure about 8 hours of labor to do the job from an experienced person from start to finish. On 10/28/2012 04:54 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Thanks Ron... I'll check them out, as they are not too far away. The problem I am having is finding someone willing to rebuild a small motor - reasonably. I found one in Michigan that wants $900 to rewind the motor and straighten the shaft - seems kind of excessive. From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:25:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor Look around for a motor rebuilding company. http://www.claytonelectricmotorrepair.com/ Takes you to one that may fit the bill. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:09 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor I just restored my Fairy Phono Lamp, but found that the motor needs rewinding and the shaft is bent... Anyone have a motor for this? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor
Does that motor look like an Edison Ekonowatt motor? On 10/28/2012 11:01 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Rich, I sent it to a shop in Michigan to have it checked out. There was give in the shaft causing worn bearings and as it turned it had a binding spot, which turned out to be a slight bend. It also arced and lost power when it was running and fluctuated from pulling a record to coming to a complete stop. The bend may have been caused by overheating from the arcing. Apparently there was a short in the AC windings. It is unusual, since it was made to run on AC, DC and 220 current. I have thought about using a small modern industrial motor that would fit in the original motor housing, but haven't completely explored that idea. A modern turntable motor wouldn't be strong enought to turn the worm drive gearing with governors and the turntable which is quite heavy, not to mention the needle drag... I am not sure what an equivalent antique motor might be and thought about using an Edison electric motor from an Ediphone or other antique electric phono motor, if I can't get this one go in g. Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:30:09 -0500 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor Do you know what type of motor it is and what has convinced you that it needs rewound? The reason I ask is those are not at all like straight forward motors that inhabit reasonably modern turntables. On 10/28/2012 08:23 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for that info... I spent a lot of time restoring the phono, so figuring out how to rewind the motor would be interesting. Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:20:02 -0500 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor There are no --coils in a box-- for those antique motors. Requires hand rewinding by a skilled craftsman. Would be cheaper if you went to the library and got an old book on motor rewinding and did it yourself. Figure about 8 hours of labor to do the job from an experienced person from start to finish. On 10/28/2012 04:54 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Thanks Ron... I'll check them out, as they are not too far away. The problem I am having is finding someone willing to rebuild a small motor - reasonably. I found one in Michigan that wants $900 to rewind the motor and straighten the shaft - seems kind of excessive. From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:25:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor Look around for a motor rebuilding company. http://www.claytonelectricmotorrepair.com/ Takes you to one that may fit the bill. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:09 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor I just restored my Fairy Phono Lamp, but found that the motor needs rewinding and the shaft is bent... Anyone have a motor for this? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
