[Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found!
Hello all I realize that I have not posted on my latest find. I saw an ad for a local estate sale that included a Victrola. I checked out the photo and I knew it was not a common one. It was not the classic Victrola with the deeply carved corners and nickel plating. It had more strict, straight lines and no curves. The veneer on the front was in a V shaped grain pattern, and the cabinet on the whole looked almost more like a British made cabinet. I called the sale coordinator to ask the price, and she said she would have it later in that same day. She never called back, and I left messages to no avail. So last Sunday morning (10/5) I drove the hour to Simi Valley, where the sale was taking place. My partner and I joined a line of about 30 people and waited to get in. When they opened the house and garage doors, I saw it at the back of the garage. They were only letting 25 people at a time in, and luckily I was number 25. I went in and checked it out, and then had my partner wait with it while I went into the house to find the coordinator and ask price. While in the house I spotted another high profile collector and my heart sank. I thought I would have to go home empty handed. He greeted me, and told me that the price was too retail for him (he purchases for resale) and my hope was restored! I found the coordinator and asked the price. She told me, and keeping in mind that she said the house was sold and everything had to go that day, I counter offered with the highest figure I could pay (which was $200 less than the asking price). She countered with a figure that was $50 higher than my offer, and I accepted. Luckily my partner had a $20 bill on him or I would not have been able to buy it!. We loaded it up and made the drive home, very carefully! On to the phonograph - it was a Victrola 350, made in mid 1924 and discontinued in early 1925. It was made to appeal to the more affluent, as its design and gold plating indicates, and it came with a full set of albums (missing from this one). From the Victor Data Book it appears that only 878 were made, with serial number starting at 501. This example is number 802, indicating that it is the 301st manufactured. It was exciting to hear from Bob Baumbach that he has only seen one other of these machines. Here is a link to the photos. http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Victrola%20350 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found!
Great find! Ron L. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:42 AM To: phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found! Hello all I realize that I have not posted on my latest find. I saw an ad for a local estate sale that included a Victrola. I checked out the photo and I knew it was not a common one. It was not the classic Victrola with the deeply carved corners and nickel plating. It had more strict, straight lines and no curves. The veneer on the front was in a V shaped grain pattern, and the cabinet on the whole looked almost more like a British made cabinet. I called the sale coordinator to ask the price, and she said she would have it later in that same day. She never called back, and I left messages to no avail. So last Sunday morning (10/5) I drove the hour to Simi Valley, where the sale was taking place. My partner and I joined a line of about 30 people and waited to get in. When they opened the house and garage doors, I saw it at the back of the garage. They were only letting 25 people at a time in, and luckily I was number 25. I went in and checked it out, and then had my partner wait with it while I went into the house to find the coordinator and ask price. While in the house I spotted another high profile collector and my heart sank. I thought I would have to go home empty handed. He greeted me, and told me that the price was too retail for him (he purchases for resale) and my hope was restored! I found the coordinator and asked the price. She told me, and keeping in mind that she said the house was sold and everything had to go that day, I counter offered with the highest figure I could pay (which was $200 less than the asking price). She countered with a figure that was $50 higher than my offer, and I accepted. Luckily my partner had a $20 bill on him or I would not have been able to buy it!. We loaded it up and made the drive home, very carefully! On to the phonograph - it was a Victrola 350, made in mid 1924 and discontinued in early 1925. It was made to appeal to the more affluent, as its design and gold plating indicates, and it came with a full set of albums (missing from this one). From the Victor Data Book it appears that only 878 were made, with serial number starting at 501. This example is number 802, indicating that it is the 301st manufactured. It was exciting to hear from Bob Baumbach that he has only seen one other of these machines. Here is a link to the photos. http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Victrola%20350 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found!
I have a VV-350 too John. They are nice machines. I don't remember the serial number on mine, but I can find out. -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:07 am Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found! Hello all realize that I have not posted on my latest find. I saw an ad for a local state sale that included a Victrola. I checked out the photo and I knew it as not a common one. It was not the classic Victrola with the deeply carved corners and nickel lating. It had more strict, straight lines and no curves. The veneer n the front was in a V shaped grain pattern, and the cabinet on the hole looked almost more like a British made cabinet. called the sale coordinator to ask the price, and she said she would have it ater in that same day. She never called back, and I left messages to no vail. So last Sunday morning (10/5) I drove the hour to Simi Valley, where the ale was taking place. My partner and I joined a line of about 30 people and aited to get in. When they opened the house and garage doors, I saw it at the ack of the garage. They were only letting 25 people at a time in, and luckily I as number 25. I went in and checked it out, and then had my partner wait with t while I went into the house to find the coordinator and ask price. While in he house I spotted another high profile collector and my heart sank. I thought would have to go home empty handed. He greeted me, and told me that the price as too retail for him (he purchases for resale) and my hope was restored! I ound the coordinator and asked the price. She told me, and keeping in mind that he said the house was sold and everything had to go that day, I counter offered ith the highest figure I could pay (which was $200 less than the asking rice). She countered with a figure that was $50 higher than my offer, and I ccepted. Luckily my partner had a $20 bill on him or I would not have been ble to buy it!. We loaded it up and made the drive home, very carefully! n to the phonograph - it was a Victrola 350, made in mid 1924 and discontinued n early 1925. It was made to appeal to the more affluent, as its design and old plating indicates, and it came with a full set of albums (missing from this ne). From the Victor Data Book it appears that only 878 were made, with serial umber starting at 501. This example is number 802, indicating that it is the 01st manufactured. It was exciting to hear from Bob Baumbach that he has only een one other of these machines. ere is a link to the photos. ttp://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Victrola%20350 ohn Robles __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found!
I'd like to know what it is Rick! Can you upload pics of yours? From: rick phonofo...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found! I have a VV-350 too John. They are nice machines. I don't remember the serial number on mine, but I can find out. -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:07 am Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found! Hello all realize that I have not posted on my latest find. I saw an ad for a local state sale that included a Victrola. I checked out the photo and I knew it as not a common one. It was not the classic Victrola with the deeply carved corners and nickel lating. It had more strict, straight lines and no curves. The veneer n the front was in a V shaped grain pattern, and the cabinet on the hole looked almost more like a British made cabinet. called the sale coordinator to ask the price, and she said she would have it ater in that same day. She never called back, and I left messages to no vail. So last Sunday morning (10/5) I drove the hour to Simi Valley, where the ale was taking place. My partner and I joined a line of about 30 people and aited to get in. When they opened the house and garage doors, I saw it at the ack of the garage. They were only letting 25 people at a time in, and luckily I as number 25. I went in and checked it out, and then had my partner wait with t while I went into the house to find the coordinator and ask price. While in he house I spotted another high profile collector and my heart sank. I thought would have to go home empty handed. He greeted me, and told me that the price as too retail for him (he purchases for resale) and my hope was restored! I ound the coordinator and asked the price. She told me, and keeping in mind that he said the house was sold and everything had to go that day, I counter offered ith the highest figure I could pay (which was $200 less than the asking rice). She countered with a figure that was $50 higher than my offer, and I ccepted. Luckily my partner had a $20 bill on him or I would not have been ble to buy it!. We loaded it up and made the drive home, very carefully! n to the phonograph - it was a Victrola 350, made in mid 1924 and discontinued n early 1925. It was made to appeal to the more affluent, as its design and old plating indicates, and it came with a full set of albums (missing from this ne). From the Victor Data Book it appears that only 878 were made, with serial umber starting at 501. This example is number 802, indicating that it is the 01st manufactured. It was exciting to hear from Bob Baumbach that he has only een one other of these machines. ere is a link to the photos. ttp://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Victrola%20350 ohn Robles __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found!
Hi John, That was a terrific find. Enjoy it well. Harvey Kravitz On Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:52 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: I'd like to know what it is Rick! Can you upload pics of yours? From: rick phonofo...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found! I have a VV-350 too John. They are nice machines. I don't remember the serial number on mine, but I can find out. -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:07 am Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found! Hello all realize that I have not posted on my latest find. I saw an ad for a local state sale that included a Victrola. I checked out the photo and I knew it as not a common one. It was not the classic Victrola with the deeply carved corners and nickel lating. It had more strict, straight lines and no curves. The veneer n the front was in a V shaped grain pattern, and the cabinet on the hole looked almost more like a British made cabinet. called the sale coordinator to ask the price, and she said she would have it ater in that same day. She never called back, and I left messages to no vail. So last Sunday morning (10/5) I drove the hour to Simi Valley, where the ale was taking place. My partner and I joined a line of about 30 people and aited to get in. When they opened the house and garage doors, I saw it at the ack of the garage. They were only letting 25 people at a time in, and luckily I as number 25. I went in and checked it out, and then had my partner wait with t while I went into the house to find the coordinator and ask price. While in he house I spotted another high profile collector and my heart sank. I thought would have to go home empty handed. He greeted me, and told me that the price as too retail for him (he purchases for resale) and my hope was restored! I ound the coordinator and asked the price. She told me, and keeping in mind that he said the house was sold and everything had to go that day, I counter offered ith the highest figure I could pay (which was $200 less than the asking rice). She countered with a figure that was $50 higher than my offer, and I ccepted. Luckily my partner had a $20 bill on him or I would not have been ble to buy it!. We loaded it up and made the drive home, very carefully! n to the phonograph - it was a Victrola 350, made in mid 1924 and discontinued n early 1925. It was made to appeal to the more affluent, as its design and old plating indicates, and it came with a full set of albums (missing from this ne). From the Victor Data Book it appears that only 878 were made, with serial umber starting at 501. This example is number 802, indicating that it is the 01st manufactured. It was exciting to hear from Bob Baumbach that he has only een one other of these machines. ere is a link to the photos. ttp://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Victrola%20350 ohn Robles __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found!
Congratulations John, Keep finding neat machines, It was good to see you at Buena Park at the CAPS show. Jim Parks On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:32 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: I'd like to know what it is Rick! Can you upload pics of yours? From: rick phonofo...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found! I have a VV-350 too John. They are nice machines. I don't remember the serial number on mine, but I can find out. -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:07 am Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found! Hello all realize that I have not posted on my latest find. I saw an ad for a local state sale that included a Victrola. I checked out the photo and I knew it as not a common one. It was not the classic Victrola with the deeply carved corners and nickel lating. It had more strict, straight lines and no curves. The veneer n the front was in a V shaped grain pattern, and the cabinet on the hole looked almost more like a British made cabinet. called the sale coordinator to ask the price, and she said she would have it ater in that same day. She never called back, and I left messages to no vail. So last Sunday morning (10/5) I drove the hour to Simi Valley, where the ale was taking place. My partner and I joined a line of about 30 people and aited to get in. When they opened the house and garage doors, I saw it at the ack of the garage. They were only letting 25 people at a time in, and luckily I as number 25. I went in and checked it out, and then had my partner wait with t while I went into the house to find the coordinator and ask price. While in he house I spotted another high profile collector and my heart sank. I thought would have to go home empty handed. He greeted me, and told me that the price as too retail for him (he purchases for resale) and my hope was restored! I ound the coordinator and asked the price. She told me, and keeping in mind that he said the house was sold and everything had to go that day, I counter offered ith the highest figure I could pay (which was $200 less than the asking rice). She countered with a figure that was $50 higher than my offer, and I ccepted. Luckily my partner had a $20 bill on him or I would not have been ble to buy it!. We loaded it up and made the drive home, very carefully! n to the phonograph - it was a Victrola 350, made in mid 1924 and discontinued n early 1925. It was made to appeal to the more affluent, as its design and old plating indicates, and it came with a full set of albums (missing from this ne). From the Victor Data Book it appears that only 878 were made, with serial umber starting at 501. This example is number 802, indicating that it is the 01st manufactured. It was exciting to hear from Bob Baumbach that he has only een one other of these machines. ere is a link to the photos. ttp://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Victrola%20350 ohn Robles __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found!
. Keep On Oct 10, 2013 10:54 AM, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi John, That was a terrific find. Enjoy it well. Harvey Kravitz On Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:52 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: I'd like to know what it is Rick! Can you upload pics of yours? From: rick phonofo...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found! I have a VV-350 too John. They are nice machines. I don't remember the serial number on mine, but I can find out. -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:07 am Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found! Hello all realize that I have not posted on my latest find. I saw an ad for a local state sale that included a Victrola. I checked out the photo and I knew it as not a common one. It was not the classic Victrola with the deeply carved corners and nickel lating. It had more strict, straight lines and no curves. The veneer n the front was in a V shaped grain pattern, and the cabinet on the hole looked almost more like a British made cabinet. called the sale coordinator to ask the price, and she said she would have it ater in that same day. She never called back, and I left messages to no vail. So last Sunday morning (10/5) I drove the hour to Simi Valley, where the ale was taking place. My partner and I joined a line of about 30 people and aited to get in. When they opened the house and garage doors, I saw it at the ack of the garage. They were only letting 25 people at a time in, and luckily I as number 25. I went in and checked it out, and then had my partner wait with t while I went into the house to find the coordinator and ask price. While in he house I spotted another high profile collector and my heart sank. I thought would have to go home empty handed. He greeted me, and told me that the price as too retail for him (he purchases for resale) and my hope was restored! I ound the coordinator and asked the price. She told me, and keeping in mind that he said the house was sold and everything had to go that day, I counter offered ith the highest figure I could pay (which was $200 less than the asking rice). She countered with a figure that was $50 higher than my offer, and I ccepted. Luckily my partner had a $20 bill on him or I would not have been ble to buy it!. We loaded it up and made the drive home, very carefully! n to the phonograph - it was a Victrola 350, made in mid 1924 and discontinued n early 1925. It was made to appeal to the more affluent, as its design and old plating indicates, and it came with a full set of albums (missing from this ne). From the Victor Data Book it appears that only 878 were made, with serial umber starting at 501. This example is number 802, indicating that it is the 01st manufactured. It was exciting to hear from Bob Baumbach that he has only een one other of these machines. ere is a link to the photos. ttp://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Victrola%20350 ohn Robles __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] newly-pressed 78 in latest Woody Guthrie box set.
Based on the info in this article, there's a 78 made for this box set of Woody Guthrie material. I have an e-mail into the Woody Guthrie organization, asking them if the disc is to be played with a needle made for 78s, or one made for 33s, since it could be either case. I don't want to use the wrong stylus. The disc includes a song from the box set, and a 1961 Dylan recording of one of the VD songs Wooddy sang. The press release from Rounder is here: http://www.rounder.com/2013/08/news/definitive-woody-guthrie-collection-american-radical-patriot-coming-from-rounder-records-on-october-22 I eagerly await my set, being shipped to me, but I'll not use the 78 disc until I know for sure. Matthew ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] newly-pressed 78 in latest Woody Guthrie box set.
Most of the newly-cut 78s are cut with a conventional LP recording stylus with a sharp V-tip and are intended to be played with a microgroove stylus. If you don't hear from the seller otherwise, I would assume that this record would be like this. If you are using a modern phono cartridge capable of tracking at 5 grams or less, there isn't much to worry about if you use the wrong stylus. Depending on the groove width the sound could vary. A wide groove (typical older 78s had groove widths of around 5 to 6 mils) with a sharp V at the bottom will play properly with either a typical 0.7 mil (or an elliptical) stereo stylus or with a 3.0 mil stylus. A typical LP sized groove (less than 3 mils wide) will play properly with an LP stylus. Using a 3 mil stylus on a narrow groove probably will play OK but you might hear some distortion or even groove skipping on loud passages. If this is the case, you should use the LP stylus. If the bottom of the groove is rounded rather than having a sharp V shape, the record is intended to be played with a bigger 78 stylus. Using a small LP stylus on such a record will result in distortion. As I said, I would doubt that any new 78s are cut with such a groove shape. But you shouldn't be inflicting any damage on the record with either an LP or a 78 stylus so long as the tracking force is low. So use the type of stylus that sounds the best. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Matthew Bullis matthewbul...@runbox.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:44 PM Subject: [Phono-L] newly-pressed 78 in latest Woody Guthrie box set. Based on the info in this article, there's a 78 made for this box set of Woody Guthrie material. I have an e-mail into the Woody Guthrie organization, asking them if the disc is to be played with a needle made for 78s, or one made for 33s, since it could be either case. I don't want to use the wrong stylus. The disc includes a song from the box set, and a 1961 Dylan recording of one of the VD songs Wooddy sang. The press release from Rounder is here: http://www.rounder.com/2013/08/news/definitive-woody-guthrie-collection-american-radical-patriot-coming-from-rounder-records-on-october-22 I eagerly await my set, being shipped to me, but I'll not use the 78 disc until I know for sure. Matthew ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] newly-pressed 78 in latest Woody Guthrie box set. A Pre-Review
In a message dated 10/10/2013 8:05:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, matthewbul...@runbox.com writes: I eagerly await my set, being shipped to me, but I'll not use the 78 disc until I know for sure. Hi Matt: I've VERY familiar with this set since I'm reviewing it for Amazon as well as the Folk Alliance Quarterly Newsletter. (The advance stream came after I submitted my column for The Antique Phonograph/In The Groove and the next issue won't be published till March 2014), I spent nearly a week listening to the CDs - 150+ tracks - and watching the great DVD. I was not able to get the book an can't read a 240 page pdf on my PC). I also chatted with the set's producer Scott Billington while I was in Nashville last month for the Americana music conference. In summary - the stories Woody tells Allan Lomax in the interviews are great. The DVD is wonderful (Produced in 2002 by Univ of Oregon). The 78 is vinyl and will play on a stereo with 78 speed. NOT a 78 needle. The set is limited to 5,000 (why I don't know) and physical copies were only sent to the New York Times, Wall St Journal and CBS News. All other press got streams (not digital downloads). The Bob Dylan VD song on the 78 has been released before. The other side is a previously unreleased Guthrie song that is also on the CD. Speaking if VD. Thee last CD has a whole section of Guthrie VD songs. (And for those not sure what we are talking about - it's not DV as in Victory Day. g I see Amazon has the set for $113.75 Pre-order price. I hope you found this info useful. Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Here's the You Tube promo for Woody set
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Re: [Phono-L] newly-pressed 78 in latest Woody Guthrie box set. APre-Review
Thanks for the informative post. I'm looking forward to this, as I already have the Rounder 3-lp box set of the LOC recordings, and will enjoy the extra stories and songs. I'm guessing, by a cursory look at the extensive track listing, that the 3lp set had been edited from the whole tape of course, but that the songs and stories were excerpted here and there, so that you will obviously listen to the whole thing to get the complete set. The lp set seems to end abruptly with no goodbye or any sort of ending, so it will be good to have the whole thing. Matthew ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
