Re: [Phono-L] needing a b y nickel beauty ring for 12 3/8 turntable
I contacted the nice people at Merritt's Clock Shop in Douglassville, PA. They wrote: The closest one we have is 13 1/8”OD and approx. 12 1/16” ID. It is our item # P60S and the price is $29.00. From my previous reserach, the original trim ring measures 12.5 ID and 13.5 OD. http://www.merritts.com/clock_parts/public/product.aspx?ProductID=82168SearchText=p60s From: zonophone2...@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 20:06:18 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] needing a b y nickel beauty ring for 12 3/8 turntable the clock bezel was metioned to me by dwayne at musical americana m In a message dated 9/4/2013 5:41:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, smst...@gmail.com writes: Fake it with a clock bezel. I have found the longer I'm in this hobby the less I'm incline to do much to these old machines. Maybe a drop of oil and clean out the wasp nest. Perhaps I'm lazy. I can see if its a resale some plating may be in order. Sorry this happened to you Zono. Mike Oldcranky. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: Or make one from scratch. On 09/04/2013 03:12 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: You might be able to get a musical instrument repair man to straighten it out for you. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@**oldcrank.orgphono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of zonophone2...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 3:27 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] needing a b y nickel beauty ring for 12 3/8 turntable He was polishing it with a wheel idiot he was -Original Message- From: John Robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 2:25 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] needing a b y nickel beauty ring for 12 3/8 turntable If I may ask, how did he destroy it? John On Sep 4, 2013, at 10:37 AM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: HI He cant pay for it if i cant find one oh well no idea what its worth at this point but not a happy camper zono -Original Message- From: John Robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 12:13 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] needing a b y nickel beauty ring for 12 3/8 turntable I hope he paid for it! John On Sep 4, 2013, at 8:20 AM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: hello all just a shout out i am having my by replated and the plater destroyed the by beauty ring the one i need is the larger one for the 12 3/8 turntable i know there is a smaller one for the 11 5/ 8 but i need the larger please contact me off list if you have one available thanks zono __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- Apply dog logic to life, eat well, be loved, Get petted, sleep alot, dream of a leash free world. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] needing a b y nickel beauty ring for 12 3/8 turntable
I also need the same trim ring for my otherwise original and complete Columbia BD. I've started threads on this topic several times over the years with no results. The larger trim ring is very hard to find. I've even looked into having reproductions made but the start-up costs are too high because the demand is apparently relatively low. I would be interested in any and all options as well. DrGregC To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: zonophone2...@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 11:20:44 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] needing a b y nickel beauty ring for 12 3/8 turntable hello all just a shout out i am having my by replated and the plater destroyed the by beauty ring the one i need is the larger one for the 12 3/8 turntable i know there is a smaller one for the 11 5/ 8 but i need the larger please contact me off list if you have one available thanks zono ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] eBay payment options
I recently sold an item on eBay for over $2000. The item will be picked-up at my home rather than shipped. The buyer has offered to pay cash at the time of pick-up. I searched eBay and I am not sure of what their current policy is concerning cash transactions. Any advice in this matter is appreciated. Thanks. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Kotton Cleanser / New Life Wood Conditioner technique advice
I've tried other combinations, but completely agree with JR - Kotton Klenser, steel wool Howard's beeswax. The only thing I would add is that it it a good idea to use a soft bristle tooth brush to clean out the nooks and crannies. Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 20:50:16 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Kotton Cleanser / New Life Wood Conditioner technique advice I swear by Kotton Klenser. It is great for removing nicotine from finishes. I have had some dark finishes come out as golden oak after cleaning! It is safe on the decal but don't use TOO much pressure. I generally use it with steel wool and a gentle circular motion. Then wipe it off with a clean cloth. Get it all out of the nooks and crannies because it sort of stinks for a few days if you don't! Then I follow it off with a good Howard's beeswax finish. John Robles --- On Wed, 5/25/11, William Taney b...@taney.com wrote: From: William Taney b...@taney.com Subject: [Phono-L] Kotton Cleanser / New Life Wood Conditioner technique advice To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 8:46 PM What would the recommendation be for cleaning up a cabinet the clearly does not warrent refinishing but is dirty and a bit alligatored and darkened? It is an Edison cylinder machine. Also what do you do about the banner, are these safe on the decals? Also which of these two is the better and less destructive.. Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Robert Johnson
If there are any extras, I'll take one too! LOL http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=300526175018si=JSWeNkMfe%252FFejEa6RRpFDBA2pPk%253Dviewitem=sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:06:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Robert Johnson Anybody got an extra Robert Johnson record laying around? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Vic R
To simplify the whole - posting photos on Phono-L - question, I started a thread on The Talking Machine Forum entitled Worlds Collide - Victor R Thread from Phono-L. I love both resources and I didn't mean to hijack the Phono-L thread. Maybe the subject of posting photos on Phono-L needs its own thread. I will try that in the future. Thanks, Loran. Hopefully this is the correct link: http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=5420 From: lo...@oldcrank.com Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 09:14:40 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vic R Just attach the photo to your email as you would normally do. Just keep in mind that anything straight out of a digital camera will probably be too big. Regards, Loran On Jan 8, 2011, at 9:09 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: Thanks Loran - I didn't realize that. How would I post a photo? George P. -Original Message- From: Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:43 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vic R Ah, but you CAN post reasonably sized photos on Phono-L! As long as the total message size stays under 200k, your photo will go through. The system scrubs the photo(s) from the message, then creates a link for each at the bottom of the message that readers can click on. Unfortunately, I can't bump the message size limit at the moment - the little server's hard drive just isn't big enough. Regards, Loran On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 8:19 PM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: I've only seen 2 or 3 myself. Only the first couple thousand Rs were done that way. I have one here, but we can't post photos. I'll be happy to post photos on one of the forums if you'd like. George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Rub n' Buff Metallic Finishes
Has anyone ever used the black (ebony) Rub n' Buff on Columbia reproduction aluminum parts? I have used black stove polish after soaking the parts with Drano (sodium hydroxide). The Rub n' Buff sounds a lot less labor intensive. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:50:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder Hi Andy and all, From what you can see on the video, Rub n Buff or similar rub on metallic waxes are great for restorations. I have used it to touch up or redo the stripes on Edison horns. It subtlely restores the original look. A friend and I recently used it on the gold tonearm of his Victrola 18, which had some obvious wear on the elbow near the reproducer. After we finished, you couldn't tell it was done. Note: Rub n Buff or other metallic waxes look good, but are not permanent without using a fixative. I use Krylon Matte finish art fixative to topcoat it after I'm through. It is transparent and does not show up after it is applied, but makes the metallic finish permanent. You should experiment first, before using it on an important piece. Another use for the fixative is this: if you have a black horn, which is scratched, etc. it detracts from the look and I hate to repaint, because you cannot reproduce the japanned finish. I touch up the scratches with a Sharpie marker, then blend the t ouchups in with WD40 - I know, everyone hates WD40, but WD40 sprayed on the black paint restores the original look and blends in the touchups from the Sharpie. I then wipe off the WD40 with a soft cloth and spray the horn with fixative. If you have a horn that is in need of repainting, you might try this procedure, as it has worked well for me. I have restored a Victor R horn, a Cygnet horn that was really scratched bad and an Edison black flowered horn that now looks pristine. Just an idea... take it for what it's worth. Curt From: a...@popyrus.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:35:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder I've been following this thread with interest. Nice description here. Brass hardware that you mentioned (2-56 thread might be appropriate for this), and solder are all relatively soft materials and would give that nice balance between getting as close as you can to a factory look, and yet be sturdy enough to know it will safely support the weight. What's the rub n buff that you mentioned? Andy Baron On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Mike Stitt wrote: Is it really so bad the rivets must come out? Even if the metal is split I'll bet you could close it up. This sounds like one of those jobs you wish you left alone. Rivet drilling can go wrong in a heartbeat. If you can drill the outside head with a matching bit ( a little smaller that the rivet head) but do not drill thru'. Be very careful. Just thin the rivet. Next with a smaller bit drill thru' the center but not through the rivet. Take a punch and gently tap it out. The rivet head should break apart at the shank when you tap it. If not thin the head out more so. Small brass rivets will be your best bet. I'd use nuts and bolts over pop rivets.You might give thought if you use brass rivets to drill the shank with a small bit. That way when you set them the rivet should give with less force. If you use nuts and bolts use brass. File the nuts down very thin and even file them round. Cut the screws just long enough so when you bolt it together the screw should not extend past the thin nut. Using brass you can fill the slotted head in with solder. Either use rub n buff or just black model paint. It is un-doable if need be and will look better than you think. Mike Stitt Good luck. Mike Stitt On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: It was probably a riveting tool with a long reach. You could pop rivet them but that would not look quite right from the inside. Anyone else know more about riveting? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:58 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder I've been afraid to remove the rivets, since I don't know what method they used originally to put the rivets in without distorting the horn... any ideas? From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:00:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder Have you tried drilling out the rivets and taking the part to a musical Instrument repair shop? They may be able to straighten it out. Then you can rivet it back
Re: [Phono-L] Carolina Antique Music Phonograph Society
The Facebook page is a great idea. Is anyone else doing this? Thanks. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 19:17:50 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Carolina Antique Music Phonograph Society Interesting coffee website - great name for coffee. Just thought you guys might like to check our our website and Facebook page. On our Facebook page you can list items for sale, links, articles, shows, items of interest, things you might be thinking of listing on eBay, photos, videos or anything else relating to our hobby. Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Carolina-Antique-Music-Phonograph-Society/130658956974008 Website: http://www.carolinaphonosociety.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: t...@edisontriumph.com Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 22:54:02 + Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola Coffee My wife just caught this FoxNews: http://www.victrolacoffee.com/about.php Enjoy ! - This message was sent using CAT2 Online Internet Services . web-based email system . http://www.cat2.com . ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Another Stanton's update
I'll second that. Steve Farmer is the best. He can be reached at: farmeriz...@msn.com From: zonophone2...@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 06:56:47 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Another Stanton's update hi ken look to steve farmer he does a great job In a message dated 4/30/2010 11:10:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kb...@charter.net writes: As expected, the recent Stanton's auction was an exciting experience. There were many high end machines there that brought a wide variety of bidding excitement. The Edison Idelia was very impressive but brought only $20K when the presale expectations were much higher. The Edison Class M in the upright cabinet only went for a little over $10K. Music boxes were a bit soft on prices. The very nice Reginaphone went for around $4K. Many of the front mount Victors were in the $1,200 to a high of around $2,500 for the MS. If anyone has a chance to take in an auction at Stanton's, I would highly recommend it. I ended up with three more Victors for my collection along with a nice record cabinet, Edison Standard, Babson Brothers flowered cylinder horn, and many small items. One of the Victors was a Rigid Arm R. The arm has been resoldered where it attaches to the piece in the back bracket and the finish has been buffed off almost completely. The anodizing on the back bracket is weak but visible. My question is, Does anyone know anyone that restores the anodized finish on parts? Is it hard to do yourself? Thanks in advance for any advice. Ken Brekke ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Craigslist Rant
I have been following this thread with great interest. Let it be known that this not just about Craigslist. The honorable collectors on this and other lists are prone to the same questionable behavior. Some months back I responded to an offer to sell on one of the phono lists. I quickly agreed to the asking price. It was a good deal on a very nice machine. The sale was confirmed by the seller. All that was left was for the seller to tell me the shipping costs so that I could make my PayPal payment. I instead received an e-mail telling me that his son didn't want him to sell that particular machine. The deal that I thought was done was called off that quickly. I was very interested to read Rich's comment, Check with the antique car crowd, they will explain how this works as many old wrecks have sentimental value to the family member who pops up and kills your deal. What can I say - caveat emptor, let the buyer beware - on Craigslist and on the phono lists as well. Don't be naive. Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:56:19 -0500 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Craigslist Rant Unfortunate but the deal is not final until pictures of dead presidents or Ben Franklin change hands. Check or PayPal will not do the job either. If they refuse teh Pay Pal or do not cash the check you loose. Check with the antique car crowd, they will explain how this works as many old wrecks have sentimental value to the family member ho pops up and kills your deal. If the seller is holding cash the deal is final, but if not cash then they can back out on you. john robles wrote: Hello all I need to rant. I have been made a sucker. I sold my nice mahogany Victrola XVI in order to buy a Victrola XIV in beautifully grained American Walnut on Craigslist. The deal was made a few days ago (all documented in email) and I was set to drive down to San Clemente tomorrow to get it. Tonight the seller writes me and says Hi John, I'm sorry to say this but I have another offer on the Victrola for $600. The collector thAt looked at it said it has an uncommon walnut finish. Anyway, I am giving him until next weekend to pay/pickup. I'm sorry for any inconvience this may have cause you. Good luck to you. So I sold my nice XVI for nothing. And the seller reneged on a done deal because she got a better offer (by the way, her ad asked for $450 and I agreed to pay that). The other collector is going to find out that it isn't Circassian, and I hope he renegs on her. I reported her to Craigslist for gogn back on the deal. Obviously I am very unhappy about this. I just wanted to vent. Thank you for listening! Now I have to find a nice victrola to replace my XVI... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
I've used both Go-Jo (without pumice!) and Kotton Klenser. I know it's more expensive, but I really think the Kotton Klenser works better. I have complete faith in the product. I've never seen it damage any finish I've used it on. I put it on with a bristle paint brush. Apply it generously. Let it set a few minutes. Use a gentle scrubbing action with the paint brush. Wipe clean with soft dry cloth. Reapply as needed. For tougher cleansing, I use steel wool to apply it. Rub with the grain. Step back and admire your work. The KK Lemon Oil-Beeswax product is a nice follow-up product, although I actually prefer the similar Howard's Feed-N-Wax. I don't use or recommend the KK Protective Wood Feeder. Skip that step. http://kottonklenser.com/ http://www.howardproducts.com/feednwax.htm From: cdh...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:12:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Oh, indeed. Go-Jo and most other waterless hand cleaners are available with pumice, and when you buy the stuff, you must look to get the right stuff. There is one that does the same thing, and is probably the same formulation. It's called Kotten Kleaner, or something like that. Good stuff, I understand, for about 3 times the price. [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/22/2009 11:59:06 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by LD, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I
[Phono-L] Columbia Trim Ring
It's time for my annual post to ask the group if they have, or have knowledge of, a 12 (actually about 12 1/2 ID) nickle-plated trim ring found on the larger outside horn Columbia machines. I have an otherwise perfect and original BD that is missing the ring. Yes, it originally had a ring - the holes are there. For those of you in the same boat, I have tried to get Ron Sitko and some others in the hobby who have the skill know-how to make reproduction rings, but to no avail. Start-up costs are too high and the perceived demand is low. I also investigated using clock bezels, but couldn't find any that come close. And no, the 12 rings from the Grafonola machines will not work - I tried. Any ideas are appreciated. Thanks for your help. From jnic...@fuse.net Sun Mar 22 17:36:15 2009 From: jnic...@fuse.net (Jim Nichol) Date: Sun Mar 22 17:36:22 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Automatic Kit In-Reply-To: blu149-w8dc91a7a41bc5752ab8eda7...@phx.gbl References: blu149-w8dc91a7a41bc5752ab8eda7...@phx.gbl Message-ID: 7483a062-4db7-4fc3-b0e9-c963c4c2a...@fuse.net Has anyone ever seen one of these kits before? I sure haven't. http://tinyurl.com/edisonautomatic Jim Nichol
[Phono-L] Sonora Baby Grand - Free Delivery to Wayne
My wife has advised me that we need more dining space in our dining room. I am offering up for sale a beautiful Sonora Baby Grand, complete with original Owner's Manual and Guaranty. It is in very nice, original condition. I purchased it from a reputable, local dealer in December 2003. He rebuilt the motor. It runs smooth, strong and quiet. I later had the reproducer rebuilt and tuned by expert phono tech, Bob Snyder. It sounds as good as it looks. I need to get $500 for this machine. I have much more into it. Local pick-up in the Philadelphia area, or I will deliver it at no charge to the MME in Wayne, NJ, next Sunday. There are pictures on the OTVVMB. http://sonoraman.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=Swapaction=displaythread=9530 Any questions or if you would like to see additional pictures, e-mail me at: DrGregC at msn.com
[Phono-L] Oxidizing Parts Wood-graining elbows
Steve Farmer. He's the best. Not sure if it is correct, but this the e-mail address I have for him: farmeriz...@msn.com From: valecnik57-p...@yahoo.com Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Oxidizing Parts Wood-graining elbows Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Hi, Can anyone point me toward someone doing excellent oxidizing of phono parts and wood graining cygnet horn and Opera elbows? Thanks, Bruce email br...@bojo.cz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Asian Victor
I am an acquaintance of the seller and have seen this machine. As described, the interior has been professionally repainted and color matched to the original. The felt has been replaced. The exterior paint is real. It appears to have been done at the factory. It may not be your cup-of-tea, but it is not a horrid, amateurish paint job. It is old and has been meticulously and professionally painted in the Asian style of the day. You may not like it, but there is no need to disparage either the seller or the machine. From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Asian Victor Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:17:15 -0500 The kind of people who bid on crapophones think this is real. What a horrid, amateurish paint job. It's an embarrassment. At least he made REAL sure the new felt stuck to the turntable. - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@sigecom.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:46 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Asian Victor http://cgi.ebay.com/ASIAN-Case-VICTOR-VICTROLA-Oriental-Finish-Very-RARE_W0QQitemZ330173994759QQihZ014QQcategoryZ38030QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Do people really believe this thing is for real? I love Chinoiserie cabinetry but this thing could not be more amateurish. It looks like an ugly 60's attempt, hardly original as stated in the listing. The nickel hardware is a real plus too not to mention the battleship grey interior. We all know how the inside deteriorates so much more quickly on most phonographs than do the exteriors, the reason given for the paint job by the previous owner. I hope the buyer contacts me, I have some lovely waterfront property to sell. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Stanton Auction
Apparently, no one on this list (or phonolist, or OTVMMB) attended this auction. There were some beautiful and rare machines in this auction. Rather curious that there are no reports or prices. Any help out there? From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stanton Auction Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:41:36 -0400 Was there are reported list of actual sale Prices? I haven't seen one from any list members as yet, did I miss something here? - Original Message - From: srsel...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stanton Auction In a message dated 4/16/2007 10:20:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jeff...@prevea.com writes: I was at the auction. There was a lot of auction fever going on. There were a few bidding wars. Thanks for report Jeff. It's the only posted on any of the newsgroups so far. How many folks would you say were there? REcognize any other bidders? It would be fun to hear about this one as it had both machines and Nipper material. Thanks for sharing. It's great to get good deals at auctions like this but with such wide advertising there's always competition. Often it's he who has the most toys wins which - of course ends up as a auction of the estate of the guy (USUALLY, but not always) with the most toys - when his family only wants the money - and the room all this stuff took up back. g Steve ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Stanton Auction
Ken, Thank you! Great report. My faith in phono-l has been restored. Thanks for all the hard work in compiling this list. Greg From: Ken and Brenda Brekke kb...@charter.net Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Stanton Auction Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:07:48 -0500 I was fortunate enough to attend the recent Stanton auction. I agree that the Heavy Hitters were in attendance and some items brought some very high bids. I was able to bring home the mahogany Regina Hexaphone, some Victor horns including one for my front mount M with the extension arm support, a couple of Nipper radiator ornaments for my Model A Fords, a Columbia Q (working with an original horn) for $180, and some miscellaneous parts. The 10% buyer's premium along with the 6% Michigan sales tax almost made me stay away. The sales tax is on the buyer's premium also for a total of 16.6% for us regular/non-dealer collectors. This really adds up fast. It is sad that more and more auction houses are going to this extra money grab mode of operation. Doesn't the seller already pay a commission and expenses? Anyway, enough venting. Some prices I took note of are as follows. Please keep in mind this is the hammer price and the additional fees are not included yet. You do the math. Victor Z 1,300; Columbia BKT 900; Standard A rear mount 550; Victor P 1,100; Columbia AP 550; Canadian Berliner Type B 2,000; First style Columbia AJ 1,100; Zonophone Concert rear mount 1,800; Zonophone C 1,850; Victor Junior 1,900; Columbia BO 1,600; Columbia BH 700; Victor R 1,050; Victor Red Seal Poster with Opera Singers 3,700; Victor E front mount 950; Zonophone D 2,500; Zonophone Home 1,650; Victor rear mount M 1,400; Victor VI 7,000; Victor Rigid Arm E (homemade elbow, arm, and wrong reproducer) 2,200; Edison Triumph w/11 panel horn 1,100; Victor XXV 3,500; Victor II 1,300; Kalamazoo Duplex 6,000; Edison Standard with wood grained cygnet horn-NICE 2,200; Edison Opera (concert on the ID tag) mahogany 11,000; Vita phone 2,000; Berliner Trademark 4,200; Victor MS with wood horn 4,650; victor V with wood horn 3,000; Victor Special K 2,200, early Edison Home 4-latch 1,200; Edison Triumph with wood horn 1,750; Victor O early one 1,400; Victor III with wood horn 2,000; Edison Bijou sign 3,750; Columbia BGT 3,250; Zonophone A 4,500; Edison Ideal-missing the horn, crane, and crank 18,000; a very early Edison Home with the indented brass manderal 11,000; plus many other machines that I didn't take note of after my bid on the Hexaphone. I guess according to some more veteran collectors, this Hexaphone in mahogany might be only one of maybe three known. The rest are always in oak. It didn't work at the auction but I was able to get it working after bringing it home. It sure is a mechanical marvel! The condition and originality of most of the machines were in question. Most of the Zonophone machines had reproduction parts on them. There were some bargains late in the auction when people were running out of funds and many people left after getting what they came for. Well, that's all I can add to the Stanton auction feedback. If anyone has an original wood tone arm for an extended arm front mount Victor M or MS please contact me. Ken Brekke ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Nipper 2005
Not much slips by this message board, but a friend in South Jersey made me aware today of a special event taking place summer 2005 in Moorestown, New Jersey, the home of one Eldridge Johnson. From the website: Nipper 2005 is a public art project and fund raising event that will place 30+ five foot high fiberglass Nipper dog statues, decorated by artists, on the streets of Moorestown next summer from early June to early September. This special event will culminate with an auction of the dogs in October 2005. We are taking a page from the very successful Cows on Parade staged in Chicago in 1999 and replicated around the country with donkeys and elephants in Washington DC, painted ponies in New Mexico, bears and lighthouses in Maine and many more. www.nipper2005.org Greg Caringi
[Phono-L] Help Identify Diamond Disc Machine
I have been collecting for only about 5 years. One of the first machines that I bought was a beautiful Edison Diamond Disc machine. Other than purchasing a key for the locking lid and having the reproducer rebuilt, I have done nothing to it. It is in perfect condition and sounds great. My problem is, I do not know the model number or history of this machine. Apparently, there was an excellent and professional refinishing job performed at some point leaving the machine without any identifying tags. There aren't even any holes where the tags should be -- one collector observed that it may have been a prototype or one-off model. My research suggests that it is a Sheraton Inlaid Plain. Possible model numbers include A-275, B-275 and SI-19. It is less likely the SI-19 since it has a cabinet cover lock which was discontinued by Edison in 1920. It has the taller cabinet -- 49. Where it varies from the typical 275 is the ornate grille instead of the standard octagon/diamond grille. The grille appears original to the machine. Also, the record storage drawer is side-hinged instead of a pull-out. Pictures can be seen on the more photos section of my link. Any help in identifying and placing a value on this rare and beautiful machine is appreciated. Thanks. http://mysite.verizon.net/vze8loo1/ Greg Caringi
[Phono-L] Edison DD Mystery Machine
I'm still working on this weekend project. First of all, thanks to Phil, Dan G, Matt Dan KJ on OTMMB; Charles on Phonolist; and, Randy George Paul on Phono-L (special thanks to GP). I've updated my site with additional pictures to help answer some of the unanswered questions -- See More Photos 2 More Photos 3. http://mysite.verizon.net/vze8loo1/ I checked the dimensions. George Frow's book says that the model 275 was 49 high, 22.5 wide and 21 deep. My machine is 49.25 high (51 with casters), 20.25 wide and 24 deep. I measured twice. As GP suggested, the motor appears to be a B mechanism, but I only count one spring. The horn is a no. 100 -- I measure 9.5 X 13.25. Also, as GP suggests, the inlay is wider and the oval detail on the corners is missing. There are no holes anywhere (no wood filler) to suggest there were ever any data plates. The side hinged door (brass knob) and 34 maroon dividers in the record storage area all appears original. I cannot see any evidence of tampering. I'm willing to concede that the grille may not be original. It does have a fine mahogany veneer on the front and it appears as old as the machine, however. As suggested by GP, the grille may have been replaced by the original owner from a local cabinet maker. The more I learn, the more I believe in the prototype/factory sample theory. I am very anxious to hear the concluding opinions from each of the experts who have joined me in this search to identify this machine. It's what makes this a great hobby. Thanks for all of your help. Greg Caringi
[Phono-L] Demand For Reproduction Parts
Went to Union for the first time this year really enjoyed it. While there, I spent my usual hour scanning the parts bins for a 12 nickel trim ring for my Columbia BD. No luck again. Spoke at length to two of the nicest people at the show, and the ones most likely to make reproduction rings, Janyne Smith and Ron Sitko. Both independently said the same thing: They never attempted to make reproduction Columbia trim rings because they do not think that there is a sufficient demand to justify tooling up for such an item. Every time I bring this topic up, I get many off-list requests from other collectors looking for these often missing rings. My proposal: If you are interested in either a 10 (BI style) or 12 (BD style) nickel-plated Columbia turntable ring, contact me off-list with the size (10 or 12) and number of each ring you would be interested in, if good reproductions were available. I'll put the info together and then contact Janyne and Ron to see if we have enough demand to justify them producing these items. Greg Caringi drgr...@msn.com
[Phono-L] Rebuilding A Concert Reproducer
I am looking for references or advice concerning the rebuilding of an early Concert reproducer (long throat). The person doing it is an experienced phonograph service person looking for details, recommendations and tips. Thanks very much. Greg Caringi
[Phono-L] Recommendation For Service
About a week ago, I posted a question concerning the rebuilding of a Concert reproducer. Since that post, I had the reproducer professionally rebuilt. It looks great and, contrary to popular opinion, it sounds great. With a direct comparison to a rebuilt Exhibition, there is only a slight drop off in bass and dynamics. I think it is important to give praise to those individuals in the hobby that are true craftsmen that provide excellent service and quick turnaround at reasonable prices. For the past couple of years, I have been bringing my problems to Bob Snyder in Sellersville, Pennsylvania. Bob is a machinist by profession but his true love is music and the hobby of collecting and restoring antique phonographs and music boxes. He has been doing repairs professionally since 1970. When I was referred to Bob, I was told he was the best. In addition to the Concert, he has rebuilt several reproducers for me -- Victor, Edison, Columbia and Sonora. In each case, they outperformed my expectations. Bob is a superior technician. To work on my Concert, he machined his own tools and jigs to do the job properly and not damage the 100 year old soundbox. Perhaps more importantly, Bob has a great ear for tuning these devices. After he has worked on them , they are loud, clear, sweet and musical. I can't imagine better service. Bob also does an excellent job repairing and restoring disc and cylinder phonographs as well as music boxes. He will always look to use original parts but has the ability to custom machine parts when needed. He is also a collector and his beautiful collection shows his love of the hobby and attention to detail. Bob has always kept his business small and referrals were by word of mouth. I think Bob would appreciate this recommendation and I know that anyone who uses his services will be more than satisfied. Bob can be contacted at: Bob Snyder rksny...@fast.net 215-453-9365
[Phono-L] Phonographs as an Investment
A close friend who is an advanced collector is considering selling off the bulk of a beautiful rare collection of high-end upright and outside horn machines. Although he plans to keep a few favorites, he thinks the time has come to cash out of the hobby. I have been collecting for just 5 years. For those of you who have many more years into the hobby, personal emotions aside -- how do you feel than antique phonos have stood the test of time purely as an investment? Are we at a high time or low time right now? Any predictions for the next 5 or 10 years? Greg Caringi
[Phono-L] Phonographs as an Investment - Epilogue
As the original author of this thread, I want to thank everyone who contributed to one of the most thought-provoking (and lengthy) topics we have had for quite some time. What I learned: 1) The most rare and collectible machines will remain that way. Their value is assured. They should be the basis of your collection and your best investment. 2) Condition is very important. 3) Common machines are just that. Values may have peaked about 5 years ago. eBay has forever changed the availability and value of the more common machines. To quote one of the posts -- Buy the best you can afford and enjoy it, its not the number you get but the quality that pays the dividends. I know we all enjoy the various facets of the hobby. As another post pointed out, we are just caretakers of the recordings and the machines. They are a part of our history. Thanks again to everyone, Greg Caringi
[Phono-L] Alligatoring
We have all run into the problem of alligatoring of the shellac finish on the older machines -- Victor, etc. Even when cleaned thoroughly with Kotton Klenser (or similar), the rough finish remains. Most of us are reluctant to strip the finish. I was told by a refinisher today that it was easy. He advised using a mixture of denatured alcohol with a few drops of lacquer thinner. Rub carefully with fine steel wool -- he uses 000. Allow the shellac to flow smoothly. Let dry. Any comments, suggestions or better ideas? Thanks. Greg Caringi
[Phono-L] Gold Columbia Elbow
I recently purchased a very nice complete Columbia Grafonola Model 200 upright in walnut. The only flaw is the pot metal tonearm elbow. The gold plating is basically gone. I have been advised to look for a replacement rather than try to replate it. Since Columbia made few machines with the gold plating, I am asking for help in locating a replacement. Any ideas are appreciated. Greg Caringi
[Phono-L] Columbia Gold Elbow
I recently purchased a very nice complete Columbia Grafonola Model 200 upright in walnut. The only flaw is the pot metal tonearm elbow. The gold plating is basically gone. I have been advised to look for a replacement rather than try to replate it. Since Columbia made few machines with the gold plating, I am asking for help in locating a replacement. Any ideas are appreciated. Greg Caringi
[Phono-L] Cleaning Nickel Plate
I have a housekeeping question. I have two, large nickel horns (Columbia BI BD) which I initially cleaned with Simichrome, soft cotton cloths lots of elbow grease. Short of repeating this process, is there any kind of metal cleaning handi-wipe available to avoid repeating the original process? Is coating with a liquid wax like Oz a good idea to keep the finish from re-oxidizing? Greg Caringi
[Phono-L] Horn for Columbia Eagle B
I have a nice Columbia Eagle B with an inexpensive, repro black metal horn. What is the original and correct horn for a Columbia Eagle B? What could I expect to pay for an original horn? Thanks. Greg Caringi
[Phono-L] ID Early Victor Columbia Horns
Need an expert opinion. Both the early front mount Victor Columbia machines used similar black brass horns. Since the early Victor horns did not have the HMV logo, how do you tell the difference between the Victor Columbia products? Thanks. Greg Caringi
[Phono-L] Best sounding Phonograph
I've always said it, Edison was the first audiophile. Although the two hobbies refuse to recognize their natural connection, antique phono people are following the same ideals as the modern, high-end audio fan. Both are enthralled with the reproduction and enjoyment of music, pure and simple. You are right on point, Randy. Greg Caringi From: diamondisk...@aol.com Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Best sounding Phonograph Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:50:57 EDT In a message dated 4/11/2006 6:18:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, esrobe...@hotmail.com writes: If you want slam, Credenza. If you want the performers in the room with you, Edisonic. When did J. Gordon Holt and Harry Pearson enter this discussion? (If I have to take the Audiophile system, I'd rather have some Von Schweikert speakers. Albert is a very nice man, and a top-notch designer too.) Randy ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
