Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation
Where do I get them? Steve From: lhera...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 01:18:15 + sounds like a job for silicone tipped forceps. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 4:39 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation Hello Jim, Back in 1905 when you purchased an Edison recorder it was new, being new it most likely moved freely. I say this because I have come across recorders where I have had to sand with 2000 grit sandpaper to get them to move freely. 2 minute recorders are relatively stable, with four minute recorders you have to have the flap fit perfectly or they will not track properly. I had one recorder that the sound transfer tube got stuck near the top because the sound tube was too small to allow it to move freely. Some people get lucky, one of the people who record commercially told me his recorder was as found and worked perfectly. Another did work on his. There are several things that make a recorder weak. The first is a chipped stylus and the chips do not have to be large. You have to look down on the contact side not into the cupped hole with a 30X loupe. It takes experience to spot a bad one with small chips out of the sapphire. Next is the flap, the flap must move freely. The sound transfer tube must move freely. The mica has to be good. The sapphire cutter has to be cocked up at the correct angle. Recorder styli are a challenge to rotate because metal tweezers can damage the sapphire and plastic ones will melt. Steve From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:59:49 +Are you warming your blanks before/during recording process? How thick is the diaphragm on the recorder? Is there a gasket underneath it(i.e. between the diaphragm and the body of the reproducer. Is the diaphragm waxed in place? Does the little tube inside the reproducer neck move up and down easily to help maintain a reasonably tight air path? When you inspect the cutter with a magnifying glass, does it look sharp and feel sharp?Nice blanks can be purchased from Shawn Borri. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 3:40 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation As part of what has become Immortal Performance’s annual Thomas A. Edison Birthday Celebration on the 11th of February to which Central Texas antique phonograph collectors are invited I am planning to record wax cylinders of a few of Austin’s very best jazz musicians. However, results obtained with an Edison Triumph Model B phonograph with end gate unencumbered by four-minute gearing, an 1890s 3 ft. conical horn an Edison Recorder have been disappointing. The baby grand Steinway with conical horn pointing right into lid was weak a ‘cellist playing quite loudly with end of horn less than a foot from the instruments “f” holes was also very weak. Only with my head right at the mouth of the horn singing loud in a quasi “operatic” voice was I able to make a recording of suitable audibility.The local antique phonograph repairman was able to acoustically dub a 78 played on a Victor VI using smaller horn pointing into the recording horn with fair results. The jazz musicians would probably include clarinet/saxophone/bass saxophone (hopefully “channeling” Adrian Rollini, my favorite jazz artist), trumpet, trombone, tuba percussion with piano used if it can be recorded. Would like to have used a fine string bass player but am pretty sure his efforts would not register at all. Would anyone have suggestions for tweeking the Edison two-minute Recorder to obtain optimum results?Would anyone have an excellent recorder for sale? Would anyone have old Dictaphone cylinders for sale which could be cut off shaved down to record on? In the Edison “American Experience” documentary shown here on PBS yesterday evening, an 1890s film clip was shown of a violinist playing into a recording horn from at least a foot from its mouth. Lionel Mapleson recorded fragments of actual Metropolitan Opera performances between 1901 1903 on an Edison cylinder phonograph.If the recorder Mapleson used was a weak as mine, he would have gotten absolutely nothing even with his gigantic recording horn situated many yards from the performers yet we know he caught an amazing lot. Therefore, the problem must be with my Recorder. The Edison Birthday Celebration will begin at 6:00 P.M. on the 11th of February 2015 will take place at my home located at 1404 West 30th Street, Austin, Texas 78703-1402.My ‘phone number is (512
Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation
Amazon has some rubber tipped ones. I was thinking of dipping some I have in silicone sealant to see if I could get a decent coating. Ron From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:45 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation Where do I get them? Steve _ From: lhera...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 01:18:15 + sounds like a job for silicone tipped forceps. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 4:39 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation Hello Jim, Back in 1905 when you purchased an Edison recorder it was new, being new it most likely moved freely. I say this because I have come across recorders where I have had to sand with 2000 grit sandpaper to get them to move freely. 2 minute recorders are relatively stable, with four minute recorders you have to have the flap fit perfectly or they will not track properly. I had one recorder that the sound transfer tube got stuck near the top because the sound tube was too small to allow it to move freely. Some people get lucky, one of the people who record commercially told me his recorder was as found and worked perfectly. Another did work on his. There are several things that make a recorder weak. The first is a chipped stylus and the chips do not have to be large. You have to look down on the contact side not into the cupped hole with a 30X loupe. It takes experience to spot a bad one with small chips out of the sapphire. Next is the flap, the flap must move freely. The sound transfer tube must move freely. The mica has to be good. The sapphire cutter has to be cocked up at the correct angle. Recorder styli are a challenge to rotate because metal tweezers can damage the sapphire and plastic ones will melt. Steve _ From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:59:49 + Are you warming your blanks before/during recording process? How thick is the diaphragm on the recorder? Is there a gasket underneath it(i.e. between the diaphragm and the body of the reproducer. Is the diaphragm waxed in place? Does the little tube inside the reproducer neck move up and down easily to help maintain a reasonably tight air path? When you inspect the cutter with a magnifying glass, does it look sharp and feel sharp? Nice blanks can be purchased from Shawn Borri. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 3:40 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation As part of what has become Immortal Performance’s annual Thomas A. Edison Birthday Celebration on the 11th of February to which Central Texas antique phonograph collectors are invited I am planning to record wax cylinders of a few of Austin’s very best jazz musicians. However, results obtained with an Edison Triumph Model B phonograph with end gate unencumbered by four-minute gearing, an 1890s 3 ft. conical horn an Edison Recorder have been disappointing. The baby grand Steinway with conical horn pointing right into lid was weak a ‘cellist playing quite loudly with end of horn less than a foot from the instruments “f” holes was also very weak. Only with my head right at the mouth of the horn singing loud in a quasi “operatic” voice was I able to make a recording of suitable audibility.The local antique phonograph repairman was able to acoustically dub a 78 played on a Victor VI using smaller horn pointing into the recording horn with fair results. The jazz musicians would probably include clarinet/saxophone/bass saxophone (hopefully “channeling” Adrian Rollini, my favorite jazz artist), trumpet, trombone, tuba percussion with piano used if it can be recorded. Would like to have used a fine string bass player but am pretty sure his efforts would not register at all. Would anyone have suggestions for tweeking the Edison two-minute Recorder to obtain optimum results?Would anyone have an excellent recorder for sale? Would anyone have old Dictaphone cylinders for sale which could be cut off shaved down to record on? In the Edison “American Experience” documentary shown here on PBS yesterday evening, an 1890s film clip was shown of a violinist playing into a recording horn from at least a foot from its mouth. Lionel Mapleson recorded fragments of actual Metropolitan Opera performances between 1901 1903 on an Edison cylinder phonograph. If the recorder Mapleson used was a weak as mine, he would
[Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation
As part of what has become Immortal Performance's annual Thomas A. Edison Birthday Celebration on the 11th of February to which Central Texas antique phonograph collectors are invited I am planning to record wax cylinders of a few of Austin's very best jazz musicians. However, results obtained with an Edison Triumph Model B phonograph with end gate unencumbered by four-minute gearing, an 1890s 3 ft. conical horn an Edison Recorder have been disappointing. The baby grand Steinway with conical horn pointing right into lid was weak a 'cellist playing quite loudly with end of horn less than a foot from the instruments f holes was also very weak. Only with my head right at the mouth of the horn singing loud in a quasi operatic voice was I able to make a recording of suitable audibility. The local antique phonograph repairman was able to acoustically dub a 78 played on a Victor VI using smaller horn pointing into the recording horn with fair results. The jazz musicians would probably include clarinet/saxophone/bass saxophone (hopefully channeling Adrian Rollini, my favorite jazz artist), trumpet, trombone, tuba percussion with piano used if it can be recorded. Would like to have used a fine string bass player but am pretty sure his efforts would not register at all. Would anyone have suggestions for tweeking the Edison two-minute Recorder to obtain optimum results?Would anyone have an excellent recorder for sale? Would anyone have old Dictaphone cylinders for sale which could be cut off shaved down to record on? In the Edison American Experience documentary shown here on PBS yesterday evening, an 1890s film clip was shown of a violinist playing into a recording horn from at least a foot from its mouth. Lionel Mapleson recorded fragments of actual Metropolitan Opera performances between 1901 1903 on an Edison cylinder phonograph. If the recorder Mapleson used was a weak as mine, he would have gotten absolutely nothing even with his gigantic recording horn situated many yards from the performers yet we know he caught an amazing lot. Therefore, the problem must be with my Recorder. The Edison Birthday Celebration will begin at 6:00 P.M. on the 11th of February 2015 will take place at my home located at 1404 West 30th Street, Austin, Texas 78703-1402.My 'phone number is (512) 478-9954. Please let me know if you plan to attend. It should be fun, especially if the jazz musicians attend I get the Recorder functioning properly! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. 1404 West 30th Street Austin, Texas 78703-1402 (512) 478-9954 Jim Cartwright IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC Austin's Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971 1404 West 30th StreetAustin, Texas 78703-1402 USA (512) 478-9954E-mail: jim...@earthlink.net
Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation
Hello Jim, Back in 1905 when you purchased an Edison recorder it was new, being new it most likely moved freely. I say this because I have come across recorders where I have had to sand with 2000 grit sandpaper to get them to move freely. 2 minute recorders are relatively stable, with four minute recorders you have to have the flap fit perfectly or they will not track properly. I had one recorder that the sound transfer tube got stuck near the top because the sound tube was too small to allow it to move freely. Some people get lucky, one of the people who record commercially told me his recorder was as found and worked perfectly. Another did work on his. There are several things that make a recorder weak. The first is a chipped stylus and the chips do not have to be large. You have to look down on the contact side not into the cupped hole with a 30X loupe. It takes experience to spot a bad one with small chips out of the sapphire. Next is the flap, the flap must move freely. The sound transfer tube must move freely. The mica has to be good. The sapphire cutter has to be cocked up at the correct angle. Recorder styli are a challenge to rotate because metal tweezers can damage the sapphire and plastic ones will melt. Steve From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:59:49 + Are you warming your blanks before/during recording process? How thick is the diaphragm on the recorder? Is there a gasket underneath it(i.e. between the diaphragm and the body of the reproducer. Is the diaphragm waxed in place? Does the little tube inside the reproducer neck move up and down easily to help maintain a reasonably tight air path? When you inspect the cutter with a magnifying glass, does it look sharp and feel sharp?Nice blanks can be purchased from Shawn Borri. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 3:40 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation As part of what has become Immortal Performance’s annual Thomas A. Edison Birthday Celebration on the 11th of February to which Central Texas antique phonograph collectors are invited I am planning to record wax cylinders of a few of Austin’s very best jazz musicians. However, results obtained with an Edison Triumph Model B phonograph with end gate unencumbered by four-minute gearing, an 1890s 3 ft. conical horn an Edison Recorder have been disappointing. The baby grand Steinway with conical horn pointing right into lid was weak a ‘cellist playing quite loudly with end of horn less than a foot from the instruments “f” holes was also very weak. Only with my head right at the mouth of the horn singing loud in a quasi “operatic” voice was I able to make a recording of suitable audibility.The local antique phonograph repairman was able to acoustically dub a 78 played on a Victor VI using smaller horn pointing into the recording horn with fair results. The jazz musicians would probably include clarinet/saxophone/bass saxophone (hopefully “channeling” Adrian Rollini, my favorite jazz artist), trumpet, trombone, tuba percussion with piano used if it can be recorded. Would like to have used a fine string bass player but am pretty sure his efforts would not register at all. Would anyone have suggestions for tweeking the Edison two-minute Recorder to obtain optimum results?Would anyone have an excellent recorder for sale? Would anyone have old Dictaphone cylinders for sale which could be cut off shaved down to record on? In the Edison “American Experience” documentary shown here on PBS yesterday evening, an 1890s film clip was shown of a violinist playing into a recording horn from at least a foot from its mouth. Lionel Mapleson recorded fragments of actual Metropolitan Opera performances between 1901 1903 on an Edison cylinder phonograph.If the recorder Mapleson used was a weak as mine, he would have gotten absolutely nothing even with his gigantic recording horn situated many yards from the performers yet we know he caught an amazing lot. Therefore, the problem must be with my Recorder. The Edison Birthday Celebration will begin at 6:00 P.M. on the 11th of February 2015 will take place at my home located at 1404 West 30th Street, Austin, Texas 78703-1402.My ‘phone number is (512) 478-9954. Please let me know if you plan to attend. It should be fun, especially if the jazz musicians attend I get the Recorder functioning properly! Jim CartwrightImmortal Performances, Inc.1404 West 30th StreetAustin, Texas 78703-1402(512) 478-9954 Jim CartwrightIMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC“Austin’s Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971”1404 West 30th StreetAustin, Texas 78703-1402 USA(512) 478-9954 E-mail: jim...@earthlink.net
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I will second that Shawn is a wizard at recording and the technology of the process. Rich On 01/28/2015 06:13 PM, Antique Phonograph List wrote: There are several people who are in the expert ranks of recording, I am not one of them. Shawn (who in my opinion is the best when it comes to making recordings) could have been a recording star for Edison, he is that good. He is like Billy Murray when he talks, I have a record he recorded for me that still impresses me. I use Chuck's blanks to test the recorders I rebuild, I go by groove depth and volume. These days I use the thin black Krapes gaskets and RTV to seal the diaphragms, the end result looks like the later recorders Edison's workers used on recorders. He takes pride in his blanks and numbers each one and tests them out, you will not be disappointed if you purchase them. We are very fortunate to have people who through making blanks, parts, and giving advice keep this hobby going. Steve From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 22:29:04 + Steve M. and Ron L. pretty much have it covered. I would like to add that it's very important to have a sharp cutter. As Steve says, it needs to be at the exactly correct angle. Quite often this angle is a bit more than the stylus holder provides straight away, hence the need to cock up the cutter slightly when it is mounted in the holder. The sliding tube must slide freely. The swinging weight with the diaphragm must swing freely with absolutely no side-play. The diaphragm needs to be sealed in air tight. I have found that having a gasket on the outside of the diaphragm, along with the beeswax sealing bead helps the overall performance of these recorders. A good recorder makes a definite resonant ring-pop when held up to your ear and the weight moved and let down against the limit loop. I make premium-quality, extremely low noise, high-sensitivity brown wax blanks. They are for sale. Each of these blanks carries my unconditional guarantee of 100% customer satisfaction. Each of these blanks has a serial number and can be traced back to specific lot numbers of the raw materials used to make them. Please check my website for all details. Please watch the linked video on the website called Finishing Operations. That video demonstrates 5 different recorders being used on a brand new blank. That video demonstrates both the blank and the recorders. Chuck Richards http://www.richardslaboratories.com email: chuc...@all2easy.net Original Message From: phono-l@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: RE: [POSSIBLE SPAM] Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:52:28 + Are you warming your blanks before/during recording process? How thick is the diaphragm on the recorder? Is there a gasket underneath it(i.e. between the diaphragm and the body of the reproducer. Is the diaphragm waxed in place? Does the little tube inside the reproducer neck move up and down easily to help maintain a reasonably tight air path? When you inspect the cutter with a magnifying glass, does it look sharp and feel sharp? Nice blanks can be purchased from Shawn Borri. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 3:40 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation As part of what has become Immortal Performance's annual Thomas A. Edison Birthday Celebration on the 11th of February to which Central Texas antique phonograph collectors are invited I am planning to record wax cylinders of a few of Austin's very best jazz musicians. However, results obtained with an Edison Triumph Model B phonograph with end gate unencumbered by four-minute gearing, an 1890s 3 ft. conical horn an Edison Recorder have been disappointing. The baby grand Steinway with conical horn pointing right into lid was weak a 'cellist playing quite loudly with end of horn less than a foot from the instruments f holes was also very weak. Only with my head right at the mouth of the horn singing loud in a quasi operatic voice was I able to make a recording of suitable audibility. The local antique phonograph repairman was able to acoustically dub a 78 played on a Victor VI using smaller horn pointing into the recording horn with fair results. The jazz musicians would probably include clarinet/saxophone/bass saxophone (hopefully channeling Adrian Rollini, my favorite jazz artist), trumpet, trombone, tuba percussion with piano used if it can be recorded. Would like to have used a fine string bass player but am pretty sure
Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation
Are you warming your blanks before/during recording process? How thick is the diaphragm on the recorder? Is there a gasket underneath it(i.e. between the diaphragm and the body of the reproducer. Is the diaphragm waxed in place? Does the little tube inside the reproducer neck move up and down easily to help maintain a reasonably tight air path? When you inspect the cutter with a magnifying glass, does it look sharp and feel sharp? Nice blanks can be purchased from Shawn Borri. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 3:40 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation As part of what has become Immortal Performance's annual Thomas A. Edison Birthday Celebration on the 11th of February to which Central Texas antique phonograph collectors are invited I am planning to record wax cylinders of a few of Austin's very best jazz musicians. However, results obtained with an Edison Triumph Model B phonograph with end gate unencumbered by four-minute gearing, an 1890s 3 ft. conical horn an Edison Recorder have been disappointing. The baby grand Steinway with conical horn pointing right into lid was weak a 'cellist playing quite loudly with end of horn less than a foot from the instruments f holes was also very weak. Only with my head right at the mouth of the horn singing loud in a quasi operatic voice was I able to make a recording of suitable audibility. The local antique phonograph repairman was able to acoustically dub a 78 played on a Victor VI using smaller horn pointing into the recording horn with fair results. The jazz musicians would probably include clarinet/saxophone/bass saxophone (hopefully channeling Adrian Rollini, my favorite jazz artist), trumpet, trombone, tuba percussion with piano used if it can be recorded. Would like to have used a fine string bass player but am pretty sure his efforts would not register at all. Would anyone have suggestions for tweeking the Edison two-minute Recorder to obtain optimum results?Would anyone have an excellent recorder for sale? Would anyone have old Dictaphone cylinders for sale which could be cut off shaved down to record on? In the Edison American Experience documentary shown here on PBS yesterday evening, an 1890s film clip was shown of a violinist playing into a recording horn from at least a foot from its mouth. Lionel Mapleson recorded fragments of actual Metropolitan Opera performances between 1901 1903 on an Edison cylinder phonograph. If the recorder Mapleson used was a weak as mine, he would have gotten absolutely nothing even with his gigantic recording horn situated many yards from the performers yet we know he caught an amazing lot. Therefore, the problem must be with my Recorder. The Edison Birthday Celebration will begin at 6:00 P.M. on the 11th of February 2015 will take place at my home located at 1404 West 30th Street, Austin, Texas 78703-1402.My 'phone number is (512) 478-9954. Please let me know if you plan to attend. It should be fun, especially if the jazz musicians attend I get the Recorder functioning properly! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. 1404 West 30th Street Austin, Texas 78703-1402 (512) 478-9954 Jim Cartwright IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC Austin's Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971 1404 West 30th StreetAustin, Texas 78703-1402 USA (512) 478-9954E-mail: jim...@earthlink.net Image removed by sender.
Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation
There are several people who are in the expert ranks of recording, I am not one of them. Shawn (who in my opinion is the best when it comes to making recordings) could have been a recording star for Edison, he is that good. He is like Billy Murray when he talks, I have a record he recorded for me that still impresses me. I use Chuck's blanks to test the recorders I rebuild, I go by groove depth and volume. These days I use the thin black Krapes gaskets and RTV to seal the diaphragms, the end result looks like the later recorders Edison's workers used on recorders. He takes pride in his blanks and numbers each one and tests them out, you will not be disappointed if you purchase them. We are very fortunate to have people who through making blanks, parts, and giving advice keep this hobby going. Steve From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 22:29:04 + Steve M. and Ron L. pretty much have it covered. I would like to add that it's very important to have a sharp cutter. As Steve says, it needs to be at the exactly correct angle. Quite often this angle is a bit more than the stylus holder provides straight away, hence the need to cock up the cutter slightly when it is mounted in the holder. The sliding tube must slide freely. The swinging weight with the diaphragm must swing freely with absolutely no side-play. The diaphragm needs to be sealed in air tight. I have found that having a gasket on the outside of the diaphragm, along with the beeswax sealing bead helps the overall performance of these recorders. A good recorder makes a definite resonant ring-pop when held up to your ear and the weight moved and let down against the limit loop. I make premium-quality, extremely low noise, high-sensitivity brown wax blanks. They are for sale. Each of these blanks carries my unconditional guarantee of 100% customer satisfaction. Each of these blanks has a serial number and can be traced back to specific lot numbers of the raw materials used to make them. Please check my website for all details. Please watch the linked video on the website called Finishing Operations. That video demonstrates 5 different recorders being used on a brand new blank. That video demonstrates both the blank and the recorders. Chuck Richards http://www.richardslaboratories.com email: chuc...@all2easy.net Original Message From: phono-l@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: RE: [POSSIBLE SPAM] Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:52:28 + Are you warming your blanks before/during recording process? How thick is the diaphragm on the recorder? Is there a gasket underneath it(i.e. between the diaphragm and the body of the reproducer. Is the diaphragm waxed in place? Does the little tube inside the reproducer neck move up and down easily to help maintain a reasonably tight air path? When you inspect the cutter with a magnifying glass, does it look sharp and feel sharp? Nice blanks can be purchased from Shawn Borri. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 3:40 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation As part of what has become Immortal Performance's annual Thomas A. Edison Birthday Celebration on the 11th of February to which Central Texas antique phonograph collectors are invited I am planning to record wax cylinders of a few of Austin's very best jazz musicians. However, results obtained with an Edison Triumph Model B phonograph with end gate unencumbered by four-minute gearing, an 1890s 3 ft. conical horn an Edison Recorder have been disappointing. The baby grand Steinway with conical horn pointing right into lid was weak a 'cellist playing quite loudly with end of horn less than a foot from the instruments f holes was also very weak. Only with my head right at the mouth of the horn singing loud in a quasi operatic voice was I able to make a recording of suitable audibility. The local antique phonograph repairman was able to acoustically dub a 78 played on a Victor VI using smaller horn pointing into the recording horn with fair results. The jazz musicians would probably include clarinet/saxophone/bass saxophone (hopefully channeling Adrian Rollini, my favorite jazz artist), trumpet, trombone, tuba percussion with piano used if it can be recorded. Would like to have used a fine string bass player but am pretty sure his efforts would not register at all. Would anyone have suggestions for tweeking the Edison two-minute Recorder to obtain optimum results?Would anyone have an excellent recorder for sale? Would
Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation
Steve M. and Ron L. pretty much have it covered. I would like to add that it's very important to have a sharp cutter. As Steve says, it needs to be at the exactly correct angle. Quite often this angle is a bit more than the stylus holder provides straight away, hence the need to cock up the cutter slightly when it is mounted in the holder. The sliding tube must slide freely. The swinging weight with the diaphragm must swing freely with absolutely no side-play. The diaphragm needs to be sealed in air tight. I have found that having a gasket on the outside of the diaphragm, along with the beeswax sealing bead helps the overall performance of these recorders. A good recorder makes a definite resonant ring-pop when held up to your ear and the weight moved and let down against the limit loop. I make premium-quality, extremely low noise, high-sensitivity brown wax blanks. They are for sale. Each of these blanks carries my unconditional guarantee of 100% customer satisfaction. Each of these blanks has a serial number and can be traced back to specific lot numbers of the raw materials used to make them. Please check my website for all details. Please watch the linked video on the website called Finishing Operations. That video demonstrates 5 different recorders being used on a brand new blank. That video demonstrates both the blank and the recorders. Chuck Richards http://www.richardslaboratories.com email: chuc...@all2easy.net Original Message From: phono-l@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: RE: [POSSIBLE SPAM] Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:52:28 + Are you warming your blanks before/during recording process? How thick is the diaphragm on the recorder? Is there a gasket underneath it(i.e. between the diaphragm and the body of the reproducer. Is the diaphragm waxed in place? Does the little tube inside the reproducer neck move up and down easily to help maintain a reasonably tight air path? When you inspect the cutter with a magnifying glass, does it look sharp and feel sharp? Nice blanks can be purchased from Shawn Borri. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 3:40 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation As part of what has become Immortal Performance's annual Thomas A. Edison Birthday Celebration on the 11th of February to which Central Texas antique phonograph collectors are invited I am planning to record wax cylinders of a few of Austin's very best jazz musicians. However, results obtained with an Edison Triumph Model B phonograph with end gate unencumbered by four-minute gearing, an 1890s 3 ft. conical horn an Edison Recorder have been disappointing. The baby grand Steinway with conical horn pointing right into lid was weak a 'cellist playing quite loudly with end of horn less than a foot from the instruments f holes was also very weak. Only with my head right at the mouth of the horn singing loud in a quasi operatic voice was I able to make a recording of suitable audibility. The local antique phonograph repairman was able to acoustically dub a 78 played on a Victor VI using smaller horn pointing into the recording horn with fair results. The jazz musicians would probably include clarinet/saxophone/bass saxophone (hopefully channeling Adrian Rollini, my favorite jazz artist), trumpet, trombone, tuba percussion with piano used if it can be recorded. Would like to have used a fine string bass player but am pretty sure his efforts would not register at all. Would anyone have suggestions for tweeking the Edison two-minute Recorder to obtain optimum results?Would anyone have an excellent recorder for sale? Would anyone have old Dictaphone cylinders for sale which could be cut off shaved down to record on? In the Edison American Experience documentary shown here on PBS yesterday evening, an 1890s film clip was shown of a violinist playing into a recording horn from at least a foot from its mouth. Lionel Mapleson recorded fragments of actual Metropolitan Opera performances between 1901 1903 on an Edison cylinder phonograph. If the recorder Mapleson used was a weak as mine, he would have gotten absolutely nothing even with his gigantic recording horn situated many yards from the performers yet we know he caught an amazing lot. Therefore, the problem must be with my Recorder. The Edison Birthday Celebration will begin at 6:00 P.M. on the 11th of February 2015 will take place at my home located at 1404 West 30th Street, Austin, Texas 78703-1402.My 'phone number is (512) 478-9954. Please let me know if you plan to attend. It should be fun, especially if the jazz musicians attend I get the Recorder functioning properly! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. 1404 West 30th Street Austin, Texas
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sounds like a job for silicone tipped forceps. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 4:39 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation Hello Jim, Back in 1905 when you purchased an Edison recorder it was new, being new it most likely moved freely. I say this because I have come across recorders where I have had to sand with 2000 grit sandpaper to get them to move freely. 2 minute recorders are relatively stable, with four minute recorders you have to have the flap fit perfectly or they will not track properly. I had one recorder that the sound transfer tube got stuck near the top because the sound tube was too small to allow it to move freely. Some people get lucky, one of the people who record commercially told me his recorder was as found and worked perfectly. Another did work on his. There are several things that make a recorder weak. The first is a chipped stylus and the chips do not have to be large. You have to look down on the contact side not into the cupped hole with a 30X loupe. It takes experience to spot a bad one with small chips out of the sapphire. Next is the flap, the flap must move freely. The sound transfer tube must move freely. The mica has to be good. The sapphire cutter has to be cocked up at the correct angle. Recorder styli are a challenge to rotate because metal tweezers can damage the sapphire and plastic ones will melt. Steve _ From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:59:49 + Are you warming your blanks before/during recording process? How thick is the diaphragm on the recorder? Is there a gasket underneath it(i.e. between the diaphragm and the body of the reproducer. Is the diaphragm waxed in place? Does the little tube inside the reproducer neck move up and down easily to help maintain a reasonably tight air path? When you inspect the cutter with a magnifying glass, does it look sharp and feel sharp? Nice blanks can be purchased from Shawn Borri. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 3:40 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Recorder Question Edison Birthday Celebration Invitation As part of what has become Immortal Performance’s annual Thomas A. Edison Birthday Celebration on the 11th of February to which Central Texas antique phonograph collectors are invited I am planning to record wax cylinders of a few of Austin’s very best jazz musicians. However, results obtained with an Edison Triumph Model B phonograph with end gate unencumbered by four-minute gearing, an 1890s 3 ft. conical horn an Edison Recorder have been disappointing. The baby grand Steinway with conical horn pointing right into lid was weak a ‘cellist playing quite loudly with end of horn less than a foot from the instruments “f” holes was also very weak. Only with my head right at the mouth of the horn singing loud in a quasi “operatic” voice was I able to make a recording of suitable audibility.The local antique phonograph repairman was able to acoustically dub a 78 played on a Victor VI using smaller horn pointing into the recording horn with fair results. The jazz musicians would probably include clarinet/saxophone/bass saxophone (hopefully “channeling” Adrian Rollini, my favorite jazz artist), trumpet, trombone, tuba percussion with piano used if it can be recorded. Would like to have used a fine string bass player but am pretty sure his efforts would not register at all. Would anyone have suggestions for tweeking the Edison two-minute Recorder to obtain optimum results?Would anyone have an excellent recorder for sale? Would anyone have old Dictaphone cylinders for sale which could be cut off shaved down to record on? In the Edison “American Experience” documentary shown here on PBS yesterday evening, an 1890s film clip was shown of a violinist playing into a recording horn from at least a foot from its mouth. Lionel Mapleson recorded fragments of actual Metropolitan Opera performances between 1901 1903 on an Edison cylinder phonograph. If the recorder Mapleson used was a weak as mine, he would have gotten absolutely nothing even with his gigantic recording horn situated many yards from the performers yet we know he caught an amazing lot. Therefore, the problem must be with my Recorder. The Edison Birthday Celebration will begin at 6:00 P.M. on the 11th of February 2015 will take place at my home located at 1404 West 30th Street, Austin, Texas 78703-1402.My ‘phone number is (512) 478-9954. Please let me know if you plan to attend. It should be fun, especially if the jazz musicians attend I get the Recorder functioning properly! Jim
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I have finally got to a strange electronic recorder that I got in a cylinder cabinet I purchased a few years ago. It fits in a large carriage Edison Cylinder player and has a Stanton?? 500 cartridge and 2 different stylis that are marked 2 and 4. It has a standard RCA push type jack on the top. I am not sure how to post a picture of it. Any information about how to use this recorder would be helpful and greatly appreciated. I have never seen one before. Please e-mail me of list for pictures. Thanks, Bob
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It is a recorder? Sure it isn't a reproducer?? - Original Message - From: c5...@aol.com To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 3:33 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Recorder I have finally got to a strange electronic recorder that I got in a cylinder cabinet I purchased a few years ago. It fits in a large carriage Edison Cylinder player and has a Stanton?? 500 cartridge and 2 different stylis that are marked 2 and 4. It has a standard RCA push type jack on the top. I am not sure how to post a picture of it. Any information about how to use this recorder would be helpful and greatly appreciated. I have never seen one before. Please e-mail me of list for pictures. Thanks, Bob
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That sounds like the cylinder recorder that used to be sold from some outfit on the east coast, I have forgotten the name...you could record from your cylinder machine onto your computer or thru your stereo. John Dan Kj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: It is a recorder? Sure it isn't a reproducer?? - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 3:33 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Recorder I have finally got to a strange electronic recorder that I got in a cylinder cabinet I purchased a few years ago. It fits in a large carriage Edison Cylinder player and has a Stanton?? 500 cartridge and 2 different stylis that are marked 2 and 4. It has a standard RCA push type jack on the top. I am not sure how to post a picture of it. Any information about how to use this recorder would be helpful and greatly appreciated. I have never seen one before. Please e-mail me of list for pictures. Thanks, Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
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I think that is what it is. I tried hooking it up to an aux. jack on a small system and it did not work. I think I need to plug it in a phono input on a system to get it to work correctly. I will try that soon. Thanks
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In a message dated 3/6/2005 4:45:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, c5...@aol.com writes: I think that is what it is. I tried hooking it up to an aux. jack on a small system and it did not work. I think I need to plug it in a phono input on a system to get it to work correctly. I will try that soon. Thanks Weren't those sold by OWL Audio? Randy
