Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record
Excellent article, thanks so much. Steve From: sdcorb...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 20:27:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record Hi Steve and all, Here is a great source for information. This is where we found information on our little 5. 1889-1892 is indeed the dawn of disc records. -Scott Denise Corbett Below is from the website: http://www.archeophone.org/Berliner5inch/ The earliest disc records ever released : The five inch Berliner Gramophone records online catalogue It is commonly said that the first Berliner Gramophone record to be offered on the market was pressed in the USA in October 1894. It was a seven inch record. But in fact Emile Berliner (1851-1929), inventor of the gramophone record, had made and sold records long before that date. It is a German toy maker (Kämmer Reinhardt in Waltershausen, Thuringen) who made and marketed the very first Berliner Gramophone which was a toy with a cardboard horn, hand operated with a crank, but with no spring or motor. This device put on the market from 1889 to 1892, rotated five inch records (12,5 cm) at 100-150 revolutions per minute. These records are not made of shellac like records made later, but of gutta-percha : an inelastic compressed and vulcanized natural latex or rubber isolated from the sap of several species of tropical tree, but mainly from Palaquium gutta. They are pressed from metallic matrixes. Both records and machines bear the mention E. Berliner Grammophon D.R.P. [Deutsches Reichspatent] 45048. The label on the reverse side of each record contains the title or the recorded text and the mention of two of Berliner's US patents : Nov 1887, May 1888. They are indeed the oldest records in the world. The voice heard of most of these records, singing or talking with no instrumental accompaniment, is Emile Berliner's own voice. This is commonly admitted and it is indeed a voice - always the same on different records - with an audible German accent. The above list represents the earliest disc record catalogue in the world. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:18 PM To: Phono-l Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record Thanks, I guess the 5 was made for a toy phonographs. Do you know how old yours is? I really appreciated the information. Steve From: sdcorb...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:40:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record That appears to be a 5 Berliner. We recently were able to purchase one, and it looks identical (except for the title). They are VERY thin compared to the 7 Berliners and it's a wonder any survived at all. Not surprising that it is being sold in Germany where they were made. This title is probably the most sought after being Berliner's own voice. It is said that he recorded others as well. Our records is Barnyard sounds, which is rather poor imitations of clucking and mooing. I would imagine this was Berliner also (no documentation however), because I don't see him paying someone else to record it! Our 5 Berliner plays a total of 45 seconds! If it is pushing $2,000 with 7 days to go, one wonders where it will end up! WE HOPE TO SEE MANY OF YOU AT THE 26 ANNUAL CALIFORNIA ANTIQUE PHONOGRAPH SHOW AUGUST 13 14. Scott Denise -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:21 PM To: Phono-l; phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Berliner record Hello, Is this actually one of the first Berliner records? Steve http://cgi.ebay.com/250864718289 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record
So these records were pressed here in the states and shipped directly to Germany to Kämmer Reinhardt in Waltershausen, Thuringen. What I would like to know is how Berliner and Kämmer Reinhardt first established this relatinship? Did Berliner know the owners of the German company prior to coming to America through a prior business connection? -Original Message- From: Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:31 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record Hi Steve and all, Here is a great source for information. This is where we found information on our little 5. 1889-1892 is indeed the awn of disc records. -Scott Denise Corbett elow is from the website: http://www.archeophone.org/Berliner5inch/ The earliest disc records ver released : he five inch Berliner Gramophone records nline catalogue It is commonly said that the first Berliner Gramophone record to be offered n the market was pressed in the USA in October 1894. It was a seven inch ecord. But in fact Emile Berliner (1851-1929), inventor of the gramophone ecord, had made and sold records long before that date. It is a German toy aker (Kämmer Reinhardt in Waltershausen, Thuringen) who made and marketed he very first Berliner Gramophone which was a toy with a cardboard horn, and operated with a crank, but with no spring or motor. This device put on the market from 1889 to 1892, rotated five inch records 12,5 cm) at 100-150 revolutions per minute. These records are not made of hellac like records made later, but of gutta-percha : an inelastic ompressed and vulcanized natural latex or rubber isolated from the sap of everal species of tropical tree, but mainly from Palaquium gutta. They are ressed from metallic matrixes. Both records and machines bear the mention E. Berliner Grammophon D.R.P. [Deutsches Reichspatent] 45048. The label on he reverse side of each record contains the title or the recorded text and he mention of two of Berliner's US patents : Nov 1887, May 1888. They are ndeed the oldest records in the world. The voice heard of most of these ecords, singing or talking with no instrumental accompaniment, is Emile erliner's own voice. This is commonly admitted and it is indeed a voice - lways the same on different records - with an audible German accent. The bove list represents the earliest disc record catalogue in the world. Original Message- rom: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On ehalf Of Steven Medved ent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:18 PM o: Phono-l ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record hanks, I guess the 5 was made for a toy phonographs. Do you know how old ours is? I really appreciated the information. Steve From: sdcorb...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:40:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record That appears to be a 5 Berliner. We recently were able to purchase one, and it looks identical (except for the title). They are VERY thin compared to the 7 Berliners and it's a wonder any survived at all. Not surprising that it is being sold in Germany where they were made. This title is probably the most sought after being Berliner's own voice. It is said that he recorded others as well. Our records is Barnyard sounds, which is rather poor imitations of clucking and mooing. I would imagine this was Berliner also (no documentation however), because I don't see him paying someone else to record it! Our 5 Berliner plays a total of 45 seconds! If it is pushing $2,000 with 7 days to go, one wonders where it will end p! WE HOPE TO SEE MANY OF YOU AT THE 26 ANNUAL CALIFORNIA ANTIQUE PHONOGRAPH SHOW AUGUST 13 14. Scott Denise -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] n Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:21 PM To: Phono-l; phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Berliner record Hello, Is this actually one of the first Berliner records? Steve http://cgi.ebay.com/250864718289 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record
No, no - - the 5 Berliners were pressed in Germany by two firms. Stephan Puille has had a couple of excellent articles published in The Sound Box that cover this period in detail. George P. -Original Message- From: Rick Mazur phonofo...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 4:48 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record So these records were pressed here in the states and shipped directly to Germany to Kämmer Reinhardt in Waltershausen, Thuringen. What I would like to know is how Berliner and Kämmer Reinhardt first established this relatinship? Did Berliner know the owners of the German company prior to coming to America through a prior business connection? -Original Message- From: Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:31 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record Hi Steve and all, Here is a great source for information. This is where we found information on our little 5. 1889-1892 is indeed the awn of disc records. -Scott Denise Corbett elow is from the website: http://www.archeophone.org/Berliner5inch/ The earliest disc records ver released : he five inch Berliner Gramophone records nline catalogue It is commonly said that the first Berliner Gramophone record to be offered n the market was pressed in the USA in October 1894. It was a seven inch ecord. But in fact Emile Berliner (1851-1929), inventor of the gramophone ecord, had made and sold records long before that date. It is a German toy aker (Kämmer Reinhardt in Waltershausen, Thuringen) who made and marketed he very first Berliner Gramophone which was a toy with a cardboard horn, and operated with a crank, but with no spring or motor. This device put on the market from 1889 to 1892, rotated five inch records 12,5 cm) at 100-150 revolutions per minute. These records are not made of hellac like records made later, but of gutta-percha : an inelastic ompressed and vulcanized natural latex or rubber isolated from the sap of everal species of tropical tree, but mainly from Palaquium gutta. They are ressed from metallic matrixes. Both records and machines bear the mention E. Berliner Grammophon D.R.P. [Deutsches Reichspatent] 45048. The label on he reverse side of each record contains the title or the recorded text and he mention of two of Berliner's US patents : Nov 1887, May 1888. They are ndeed the oldest records in the world. The voice heard of most of these ecords, singing or talking with no instrumental accompaniment, is Emile erliner's own voice. This is commonly admitted and it is indeed a voice - lways the same on different records - with an audible German accent. The bove list represents the earliest disc record catalogue in the world. Original Message- rom: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On ehalf Of Steven Medved ent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:18 PM o: Phono-l ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record hanks, I guess the 5 was made for a toy phonographs. Do you know how old ours is? I really appreciated the information. Steve From: sdcorb...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:40:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record That appears to be a 5 Berliner. We recently were able to purchase one, and it looks identical (except for the title). They are VERY thin compared to the 7 Berliners and it's a wonder any survived at all. Not surprising that it is being sold in Germany where they were made. This title is probably the most sought after being Berliner's own voice. It is said that he recorded others as well. Our records is Barnyard sounds, which is rather poor imitations of clucking and mooing. I would imagine this was Berliner also (no documentation however), because I don't see him paying someone else to record it! Our 5 Berliner plays a total of 45 seconds! If it is pushing $2,000 with 7 days to go, one wonders where it will end p! WE HOPE TO SEE MANY OF YOU AT THE 26 ANNUAL CALIFORNIA ANTIQUE PHONOGRAPH SHOW AUGUST 13 14. Scott Denise -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] n Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:21 PM To: Phono-l; phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Berliner record Hello, Is this actually one of the first Berliner records? Steve http://cgi.ebay.com/250864718289 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http
Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record
Thanks. I asked the question because Scott stated in his emails that The label on the reverse side of each record contains the title or the recorded text and he mention of two of Berliner's US patents : Nov 1887, May 1888. So if these records were printed in germany they would still contain the US patent? -Original Message- From: gpaul2000 gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 9:06 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record No, no - - the 5 Berliners were pressed in Germany by two firms. Stephan uille has had a couple of excellent articles published in The Sound Box that over this period in detail. eorge P. -Original Message- rom: Rick Mazur phonofo...@aol.com o: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 4:48 am ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record So these records were pressed here in the states and shipped directly to Germany to Kämmer Reinhardt in Waltershausen, Thuringen. What I would like to know is ow Berliner and Kämmer Reinhardt first established this relatinship? Did erliner know the owners of the German company prior to coming to America hrough a prior business connection? -Original Message- rom: Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net o: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:31 pm ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record i Steve and all, ere is a great source for information. his is where we found information on our little 5. 1889-1892 is indeed the wn of disc records. Scott Denise Corbett elow is from the website: http://www.archeophone.org/Berliner5inch/ he earliest disc records er released : e five inch Berliner Gramophone records line catalogue t is commonly said that the first Berliner Gramophone record to be offered the market was pressed in the USA in October 1894. It was a seven inch cord. But in fact Emile Berliner (1851-1929), inventor of the gramophone cord, had made and sold records long before that date. It is a German toy ker (Kämmer Reinhardt in Waltershausen, Thuringen) who made and marketed e very first Berliner Gramophone which was a toy with a cardboard horn, nd operated with a crank, but with no spring or motor. his device put on the market from 1889 to 1892, rotated five inch records 2,5 cm) at 100-150 revolutions per minute. These records are not made of ellac like records made later, but of gutta-percha : an inelastic mpressed and vulcanized natural latex or rubber isolated from the sap of veral species of tropical tree, but mainly from Palaquium gutta. They are essed from metallic matrixes. Both records and machines bear the mention . Berliner Grammophon D.R.P. [Deutsches Reichspatent] 45048. The label on e reverse side of each record contains the title or the recorded text and e mention of two of Berliner's US patents : Nov 1887, May 1888. They are deed the oldest records in the world. The voice heard of most of these cords, singing or talking with no instrumental accompaniment, is Emile rliner's own voice. This is commonly admitted and it is indeed a voice - ways the same on different records - with an audible German accent. The ove list represents the earliest disc record catalogue in the world. Original Message- om: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On half Of Steven Medved nt: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:18 PM : Phono-l bject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record hanks, I guess the 5 was made for a toy phonographs. Do you know how old urs is? I really appreciated the information. teve From: sdcorb...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:40:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record That appears to be a 5 Berliner. We recently were able to purchase one, and it looks identical (except for the title). They are VERY thin compared to the 7 Berliners and it's a wonder any survived at all. Not surprising that it is being sold in Germany where they were made. This title is probably the most sought after being Berliner's own voice. It is said that he recorded others as well. Our records is Barnyard sounds, which is rather poor imitations of clucking and mooing. I would imagine this was Berliner also (no documentation however), because I don't see him paying someone else to record it! Our 5 Berliner plays a total of 45 seconds! If it is pushing $2,000 with 7 days to go, one wonders where it will end ! WE HOPE TO SEE MANY OF YOU AT THE 26 ANNUAL CALIFORNIA ANTIQUE PHONOGRAPH SHOW AUGUST 13 14. Scott Denise -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:21 PM To: Phono-l; phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Berliner record Hello, Is this actually one of the first Berliner records? Steve http://cgi.ebay.com/250864718289 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record
Yes. The 5 Berliners were manufactured under license in Germany and protected under those patents. By the way, not all 5 Berliners carry lyrics on a paper label on the reverse. I've seen a number of them with no paper label and no evidence of one ever having been there. George P. -Original Message- From: Rick Mazur phonofo...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 5:34 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record Thanks. I asked the question because Scott stated in his emails that The label on the reverse side of each record contains the title or the recorded text and he mention of two of Berliner's US patents : Nov 1887, May 1888. So if these records were printed in germany they would still contain the US patent? -Original Message- From: gpaul2000 gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 9:06 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record No, no - - the 5 Berliners were pressed in Germany by two firms. Stephan uille has had a couple of excellent articles published in The Sound Box that over this period in detail. eorge P. -Original Message- rom: Rick Mazur phonofo...@aol.com o: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 4:48 am ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record So these records were pressed here in the states and shipped directly to Germany to Kämmer Reinhardt in Waltershausen, Thuringen. What I would like to know is ow Berliner and Kämmer Reinhardt first established this relatinship? Did erliner know the owners of the German company prior to coming to America hrough a prior business connection? -Original Message- rom: Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net o: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:31 pm ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record i Steve and all, ere is a great source for information. his is where we found information on our little 5. 1889-1892 is indeed the wn of disc records. Scott Denise Corbett elow is from the website: http://www.archeophone.org/Berliner5inch/ he earliest disc records er released : e five inch Berliner Gramophone records line catalogue t is commonly said that the first Berliner Gramophone record to be offered the market was pressed in the USA in October 1894. It was a seven inch cord. But in fact Emile Berliner (1851-1929), inventor of the gramophone cord, had made and sold records long before that date. It is a German toy ker (Kämmer Reinhardt in Waltershausen, Thuringen) who made and marketed e very first Berliner Gramophone which was a toy with a cardboard horn, nd operated with a crank, but with no spring or motor. his device put on the market from 1889 to 1892, rotated five inch records 2,5 cm) at 100-150 revolutions per minute. These records are not made of ellac like records made later, but of gutta-percha : an inelastic mpressed and vulcanized natural latex or rubber isolated from the sap of veral species of tropical tree, but mainly from Palaquium gutta. They are essed from metallic matrixes. Both records and machines bear the mention . Berliner Grammophon D.R.P. [Deutsches Reichspatent] 45048. The label on e reverse side of each record contains the title or the recorded text and e mention of two of Berliner's US patents : Nov 1887, May 1888. They are deed the oldest records in the world. The voice heard of most of these cords, singing or talking with no instrumental accompaniment, is Emile rliner's own voice. This is commonly admitted and it is indeed a voice - ways the same on different records - with an audible German accent. The ove list represents the earliest disc record catalogue in the world. Original Message- om: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On half Of Steven Medved nt: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:18 PM : Phono-l bject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record hanks, I guess the 5 was made for a toy phonographs. Do you know how old urs is? I really appreciated the information. teve From: sdcorb...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:40:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record That appears to be a 5 Berliner. We recently were able to purchase one, and it looks identical (except for the title). They are VERY thin compared to the 7 Berliners and it's a wonder any survived at all. Not surprising that it is being sold in Germany where they were made. This title is probably the most sought after being Berliner's own voice. It is said that he recorded others as well. Our records is Barnyard sounds, which is rather poor imitations of clucking and mooing. I would imagine this was Berliner also (no documentation however), because I don't see him paying someone else to record it! Our 5 Berliner plays a total of 45 seconds! If it is pushing $2,000 with 7 days to go, one wonders where it will end ! WE HOPE TO SEE MANY OF YOU AT THE 26 ANNUAL CALIFORNIA ANTIQUE PHONOGRAPH SHOW AUGUST 13 14. Scott Denise
Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record
The Nov 1887/May 1888 dates on the reverse side refer to Emile Berliner's British patent dates. This 5 disc was recorded and pressed in Germany for the British market, under protection of British patents. I will refer to this in detail in my upcoming articles in The Sound Box. Stephan -Original Message- From: Rick Mazur phonofo...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 5:34 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record Thanks. I asked the question because Scott stated in his emails that The label on the reverse side of each record contains the title or the recorded text and he mention of two of Berliner's US patents : Nov 1887, May 1888. So if these records were printed in germany they would still contain the US patent? -Original Message- From: gpaul2000 gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 9:06 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record No, no - - the 5 Berliners were pressed in Germany by two firms. Stephan uille has had a couple of excellent articles published in The Sound Box that over this period in detail. eorge P. -Original Message- rom: Rick Mazur phonofo...@aol.com o: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 4:48 am ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record So these records were pressed here in the states and shipped directly to Germany to K?mmer Reinhardt in Waltershausen, Thuringen. What I would like to know is ow Berliner and K?mmer Reinhardt first established this relatinship? Did erliner know the owners of the German company prior to coming to America hrough a prior business connection? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record
Thanks, I guess the 5 was made for a toy phonographs. Do you know how old yours is? I really appreciated the information. Steve From: sdcorb...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:40:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record That appears to be a 5 Berliner. We recently were able to purchase one, and it looks identical (except for the title). They are VERY thin compared to the 7 Berliners and it's a wonder any survived at all. Not surprising that it is being sold in Germany where they were made. This title is probably the most sought after being Berliner's own voice. It is said that he recorded others as well. Our records is Barnyard sounds, which is rather poor imitations of clucking and mooing. I would imagine this was Berliner also (no documentation however), because I don't see him paying someone else to record it! Our 5 Berliner plays a total of 45 seconds! If it is pushing $2,000 with 7 days to go, one wonders where it will end up! WE HOPE TO SEE MANY OF YOU AT THE 26 ANNUAL CALIFORNIA ANTIQUE PHONOGRAPH SHOW AUGUST 13 14. Scott Denise -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:21 PM To: Phono-l; phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Berliner record Hello, Is this actually one of the first Berliner records? Steve http://cgi.ebay.com/250864718289 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record
Hi Steve and all, Here is a great source for information. This is where we found information on our little 5. 1889-1892 is indeed the dawn of disc records. -Scott Denise Corbett Below is from the website: http://www.archeophone.org/Berliner5inch/ The earliest disc records ever released : The five inch Berliner Gramophone records online catalogue It is commonly said that the first Berliner Gramophone record to be offered on the market was pressed in the USA in October 1894. It was a seven inch record. But in fact Emile Berliner (1851-1929), inventor of the gramophone record, had made and sold records long before that date. It is a German toy maker (Kämmer Reinhardt in Waltershausen, Thuringen) who made and marketed the very first Berliner Gramophone which was a toy with a cardboard horn, hand operated with a crank, but with no spring or motor. This device put on the market from 1889 to 1892, rotated five inch records (12,5 cm) at 100-150 revolutions per minute. These records are not made of shellac like records made later, but of gutta-percha : an inelastic compressed and vulcanized natural latex or rubber isolated from the sap of several species of tropical tree, but mainly from Palaquium gutta. They are pressed from metallic matrixes. Both records and machines bear the mention E. Berliner Grammophon D.R.P. [Deutsches Reichspatent] 45048. The label on the reverse side of each record contains the title or the recorded text and the mention of two of Berliner's US patents : Nov 1887, May 1888. They are indeed the oldest records in the world. The voice heard of most of these records, singing or talking with no instrumental accompaniment, is Emile Berliner's own voice. This is commonly admitted and it is indeed a voice - always the same on different records - with an audible German accent. The above list represents the earliest disc record catalogue in the world. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:18 PM To: Phono-l Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record Thanks, I guess the 5 was made for a toy phonographs. Do you know how old yours is? I really appreciated the information. Steve From: sdcorb...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:40:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record That appears to be a 5 Berliner. We recently were able to purchase one, and it looks identical (except for the title). They are VERY thin compared to the 7 Berliners and it's a wonder any survived at all. Not surprising that it is being sold in Germany where they were made. This title is probably the most sought after being Berliner's own voice. It is said that he recorded others as well. Our records is Barnyard sounds, which is rather poor imitations of clucking and mooing. I would imagine this was Berliner also (no documentation however), because I don't see him paying someone else to record it! Our 5 Berliner plays a total of 45 seconds! If it is pushing $2,000 with 7 days to go, one wonders where it will end up! WE HOPE TO SEE MANY OF YOU AT THE 26 ANNUAL CALIFORNIA ANTIQUE PHONOGRAPH SHOW AUGUST 13 14. Scott Denise -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:21 PM To: Phono-l; phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Berliner record Hello, Is this actually one of the first Berliner records? Steve http://cgi.ebay.com/250864718289 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record
That appears to be a 5 Berliner. We recently were able to purchase one, and it looks identical (except for the title). They are VERY thin compared to the 7 Berliners and it's a wonder any survived at all. Not surprising that it is being sold in Germany where they were made. This title is probably the most sought after being Berliner's own voice. It is said that he recorded others as well. Our records is Barnyard sounds, which is rather poor imitations of clucking and mooing. I would imagine this was Berliner also (no documentation however), because I don't see him paying someone else to record it! Our 5 Berliner plays a total of 45 seconds! If it is pushing $2,000 with 7 days to go, one wonders where it will end up! WE HOPE TO SEE MANY OF YOU AT THE 26 ANNUAL CALIFORNIA ANTIQUE PHONOGRAPH SHOW AUGUST 13 14. Scott Denise -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:21 PM To: Phono-l; phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Berliner record Hello, Is this actually one of the first Berliner records? Steve http://cgi.ebay.com/250864718289 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
