Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques

2010-01-04 Thread Jay Horenstein
Well.I'm no kid (55), and I love Facebook.  I've made contact with
people that I haven't heard from in decades, and I'm continuously invited to
all sorts of events, and parties.  Plus, you can just sit back and see
what's going on without being
an active participent, if you wish.  And,yes, I have found two friends on
Facebook that are phonograph geeks.

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Chris Kocsis  wrote:

> How many of us "older" folks have embraced "Web 2.0" social media like
> Facebook and LinkedIn?  Frankly I have no interest in either, but I have
> friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who send me
> invitations.  Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and beneficial?
>
> Chris
>
> Robert Wright wrote:
>
>> [snip]
>>
>>
> Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are
> still to scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even though
> in their youth they were anything but Luddite.
>
>  From: pjfra...@mac.com
>>> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800
>>>
>>> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
>>> Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re:  Shipping
>>> phonographs
>>>
>>> Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the computer
>>> of a friend.  We also helped our friend with her iPod.
>>>
>>> As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, could
>>> be as "with it" when she got to the age of our friend:  92.  She replied
>>> that she'd always stay up on the latest ipods and other technology...but
>>> paused to reflect when I mentioned that by that time, an iPhone would look
>>> to youngsters the same way an Edison cylinder phono looks to her today.
>>>
>>> "Antique" is a moving target.  Most kids today have no idea what an LP is
>>> - and even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider it to be an
>>> antique.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques

2010-01-03 Thread Rich
Well, that was my point.  I have filled out so many background 
investigation forms that I have lost track.


Loran T. Hughes wrote:

They already have my medical records, fingerprints, and background
information. FB is the least of my problems!

;)
Loran

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Rich  wrote:

Don't worry, after the government gets their hands on your medical history
you will not be concerned with what might be left on the social network
sites.


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Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques

2010-01-03 Thread Loran T. Hughes
LOL!

Loran

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:29 PM, john robles  wrote:
> Tom, i donno wht u r talking abt.  :-P
> John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques

2010-01-03 Thread john robles
Tom, i donno wht u r talking abt.  :-P
John Robles





From: Tom Jordan 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 6:27:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques

I use facebook to keep up with my extended family around the country.
That's the only way some of us can keep touch.  I spend about 15 minutes a
day on it.  Not a heavy user.  

I'm currently in Job Search so I use Linkedin for networking purposes.  93%
of leadership or high tech positions today aren't posted on job boards, but
are filled through networking in person or using social networking tools
like Linkedin.

What really concerns me is the degradation of the English language due to
texting.  I receive e-mails from people who text a lot and they are unable
to construct a cohesive sentence or in some cases communicate or express
themselves at all in the written form.

I sound like an old fart at the age of 51, don't I. :0)


-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Robert Wright
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:19 PM
To: Phono L
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques


I agree mostly...  I won't blame facebook for young ppl losing verbal
skills.  All that stuff comes from parents any way you slice it.  But plenty
of ppl have been fired or driven out of work situations from things they
posted.  I think at some point there will be a law established against that
kind of thing; if I want to bad mouth my company to friends in a bar, my
boss has no right to dismiss me over it just because he could hear me.  But
then, you must consider morale, company image, etc.  Lots of grey area comes
with new communications technologies.

I like facebook and use it daily.  I like being reconnected with 50 or so
friends from my past that I would've never heard from again without
facebook's unique friend search functions (which made it successful even
before myspace started ramming sponsored "artists" down members' throats and
nailed their own coffin shut).  I just shut down/off any functions I don't
use or like and my facebook homepage is very clean and simple.  Nonetheless,
social sites aren't for everyone, even if I'm one of millions who consider
their lives largely enriched by using them.  Any viewpoint is going to be
valid to the person subscribing to it.


> From: d...@old-phonographs.com
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:32:57 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques
> 
> I don't like them much either. I'm 55 so I fit right into the age group
that 
> doesn't like these sites that are training our young people to not know
how 
> to verbally communicate. I have a nephew that is already there. He can
write 
> beautifully, but try to have a conversation with him and it just falls
flat. 
> I don't seem to in the majority on this either.
> 
> My biggest objection to them though is that everything you put, even if
you 
> remove it later, on facebook or any other site is permanent public 
> information. Even the information you choose not to share will be
available 
> to the government should they wish to take a look. Virtually all employers

> are now scouring these sites when hiring new employees for "information" 
> about what you do, who you communicate with, and what you may say. I 
> consider it pretty risky and I am fairly sure in a very short number of 
> years the consequences of regular and not thought through posts will take
a 
> real tole on lots of unsuspecting folks.
> 
> Just my 2 cent worth,
> 
> Dan
  
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Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques

2010-01-03 Thread Tom Jordan
I use facebook to keep up with my extended family around the country.
That's the only way some of us can keep touch.  I spend about 15 minutes a
day on it.  Not a heavy user.  

I'm currently in Job Search so I use Linkedin for networking purposes.  93%
of leadership or high tech positions today aren't posted on job boards, but
are filled through networking in person or using social networking tools
like Linkedin.

What really concerns me is the degradation of the English language due to
texting.  I receive e-mails from people who text a lot and they are unable
to construct a cohesive sentence or in some cases communicate or express
themselves at all in the written form.

I sound like an old fart at the age of 51, don't I. :0)


-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Robert Wright
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:19 PM
To: Phono L
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques


I agree mostly...  I won't blame facebook for young ppl losing verbal
skills.  All that stuff comes from parents any way you slice it.  But plenty
of ppl have been fired or driven out of work situations from things they
posted.  I think at some point there will be a law established against that
kind of thing; if I want to bad mouth my company to friends in a bar, my
boss has no right to dismiss me over it just because he could hear me.  But
then, you must consider morale, company image, etc.  Lots of grey area comes
with new communications technologies.

I like facebook and use it daily.  I like being reconnected with 50 or so
friends from my past that I would've never heard from again without
facebook's unique friend search functions (which made it successful even
before myspace started ramming sponsored "artists" down members' throats and
nailed their own coffin shut).  I just shut down/off any functions I don't
use or like and my facebook homepage is very clean and simple.  Nonetheless,
social sites aren't for everyone, even if I'm one of millions who consider
their lives largely enriched by using them.  Any viewpoint is going to be
valid to the person subscribing to it.


> From: d...@old-phonographs.com
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:32:57 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques
> 
> I don't like them much either. I'm 55 so I fit right into the age group
that 
> doesn't like these sites that are training our young people to not know
how 
> to verbally communicate. I have a nephew that is already there. He can
write 
> beautifully, but try to have a conversation with him and it just falls
flat. 
> I don't seem to in the majority on this either.
> 
> My biggest objection to them though is that everything you put, even if
you 
> remove it later, on facebook or any other site is permanent public 
> information. Even the information you choose not to share will be
available 
> to the government should they wish to take a look. Virtually all employers

> are now scouring these sites when hiring new employees for "information" 
> about what you do, who you communicate with, and what you may say. I 
> consider it pretty risky and I am fairly sure in a very short number of 
> years the consequences of regular and not thought through posts will take
a 
> real tole on lots of unsuspecting folks.
> 
> Just my 2 cent worth,
> 
> Dan
  
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Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques

2010-01-03 Thread Loran T. Hughes
They already have my medical records, fingerprints, and background
information. FB is the least of my problems!

;)
Loran

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Rich  wrote:
> Don't worry, after the government gets their hands on your medical history
> you will not be concerned with what might be left on the social network
> sites.
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Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques

2010-01-03 Thread Rich
Don't worry, after the government gets their hands on your medical 
history you will not be concerned with what might be left on the social 
network sites.


Daniel Melvin wrote:
I don't like them much either. I'm 55 so I fit right into the age group 
that doesn't like these sites that are training our young people to not 
know how to verbally communicate. I have a nephew that is already there. 
He can write beautifully, but try to have a conversation with him and it 
just falls flat. I don't seem to in the majority on this either.


My biggest objection to them though is that everything you put, even if 
you remove it later, on facebook or any other site is permanent public 
information. Even the information you choose not to share will be 
available to the government should they wish to take a look. Virtually 
all employers are now scouring these sites when hiring new employees for 
"information" about what you do, who you communicate with, and what you 
may say. I consider it pretty risky and I am fairly sure in a very short 
number of years the consequences of regular and not thought through 
posts will take a real tole on lots of unsuspecting folks.


Just my 2 cent worth,

Dan
- Original Message - From: "Chris Kocsis" 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 1:07 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques


How many of us "older" folks have embraced "Web 2.0" social media like 
Facebook and LinkedIn?  Frankly I have no interest in either, but I 
have friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who 
send me invitations.  Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and 
beneficial?


Chris

Robert Wright wrote:

[snip]

Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who 
are still to scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, 
even though in their youth they were anything but Luddite.



From: pjfra...@mac.com
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re:  Shipping 
phonographs


Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the 
computer of a friend.  We also helped our friend with her iPod.


As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, 
could be as "with it" when she got to the age of our friend:  92.  
She replied that she'd always stay up on the latest ipods and other 
technology...but paused to reflect when I mentioned that by that 
time, an iPhone would look to youngsters the same way an Edison 
cylinder phono looks to her today.


"Antique" is a moving target.  Most kids today have no idea what an 
LP is - and even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider 
it to be an antique.




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Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques

2010-01-03 Thread Loran T. Hughes
There are quite a few phono/record collectors on FB. My problem is
that between them, my military buds, work associates, family, etc., it
becomes a mish-mash of eclectic stuff. On the other hand, I've talked
to folks that I lost track of years ago. As Ron said, it can be a real
time sucker.

One thing that really annoyed me about FB is that it initially wants
to email you every single time someone comments on a post that either
you made or commented on. Then there are all the games... every time
someone buys a duck for their virtual farm, you'll find out about it.
Fortunately, you can turn off the emails and hide the game stuff -
once you figure it all out.

Loran

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Chris Kocsis  wrote:
> How many of us "older" folks have embraced "Web 2.0" social media like
> Facebook and LinkedIn?  Frankly I have no interest in either, but I have
> friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who send me
> invitations.  Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and beneficial?
>
> Chris
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Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques

2010-01-03 Thread Robert Wright

I agree mostly...  I won't blame facebook for young ppl losing verbal skills.  
All that stuff comes from parents any way you slice it.  But plenty of ppl have 
been fired or driven out of work situations from things they posted.  I think 
at some point there will be a law established against that kind of thing; if I 
want to bad mouth my company to friends in a bar, my boss has no right to 
dismiss me over it just because he could hear me.  But then, you must consider 
morale, company image, etc.  Lots of grey area comes with new communications 
technologies.

I like facebook and use it daily.  I like being reconnected with 50 or so 
friends from my past that I would've never heard from again without facebook's 
unique friend search functions (which made it successful even before myspace 
started ramming sponsored "artists" down members' throats and nailed their own 
coffin shut).  I just shut down/off any functions I don't use or like and my 
facebook homepage is very clean and simple.  Nonetheless, social sites aren't 
for everyone, even if I'm one of millions who consider their lives largely 
enriched by using them.  Any viewpoint is going to be valid to the person 
subscribing to it.


> From: d...@old-phonographs.com
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:32:57 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques
> 
> I don't like them much either. I'm 55 so I fit right into the age group that 
> doesn't like these sites that are training our young people to not know how 
> to verbally communicate. I have a nephew that is already there. He can write 
> beautifully, but try to have a conversation with him and it just falls flat. 
> I don't seem to in the majority on this either.
> 
> My biggest objection to them though is that everything you put, even if you 
> remove it later, on facebook or any other site is permanent public 
> information. Even the information you choose not to share will be available 
> to the government should they wish to take a look. Virtually all employers 
> are now scouring these sites when hiring new employees for "information" 
> about what you do, who you communicate with, and what you may say. I 
> consider it pretty risky and I am fairly sure in a very short number of 
> years the consequences of regular and not thought through posts will take a 
> real tole on lots of unsuspecting folks.
> 
> Just my 2 cent worth,
> 
> Dan
  
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Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques

2010-01-03 Thread Daniel Melvin
I don't like them much either. I'm 55 so I fit right into the age group that 
doesn't like these sites that are training our young people to not know how 
to verbally communicate. I have a nephew that is already there. He can write 
beautifully, but try to have a conversation with him and it just falls flat. 
I don't seem to in the majority on this either.


My biggest objection to them though is that everything you put, even if you 
remove it later, on facebook or any other site is permanent public 
information. Even the information you choose not to share will be available 
to the government should they wish to take a look. Virtually all employers 
are now scouring these sites when hiring new employees for "information" 
about what you do, who you communicate with, and what you may say. I 
consider it pretty risky and I am fairly sure in a very short number of 
years the consequences of regular and not thought through posts will take a 
real tole on lots of unsuspecting folks.


Just my 2 cent worth,

Dan
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Kocsis" 

To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 1:07 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques


How many of us "older" folks have embraced "Web 2.0" social media like 
Facebook and LinkedIn?  Frankly I have no interest in either, but I have 
friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who send me 
invitations.  Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and beneficial?


Chris

Robert Wright wrote:

[snip]

Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are 
still to scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even though 
in their youth they were anything but Luddite.



From: pjfra...@mac.com
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re:  Shipping 
phonographs


Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the computer 
of a friend.  We also helped our friend with her iPod.


As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, 
could be as "with it" when she got to the age of our friend:  92.  She 
replied that she'd always stay up on the latest ipods and other 
technology...but paused to reflect when I mentioned that by that time, 
an iPhone would look to youngsters the same way an Edison cylinder phono 
looks to her today.


"Antique" is a moving target.  Most kids today have no idea what an LP 
is - and even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider it to 
be an antique.




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Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques

2010-01-03 Thread Ron L'Herault
Facebook, which I joined after my employer constructed a site (BU dental
school) is nice for sharing pictures and for promoting things that interest
you to your friends and even their friends.  I've also been contacted by
several old high school acquaintances that I'd lost track of and who I
enjoyed communicating with.  A couple were even grammar school classmates.
It can be a time sucker though.

Ron L

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Chris Kocsis
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:08 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques

How many of us "older" folks have embraced "Web 2.0" social media like 
Facebook and LinkedIn?  Frankly I have no interest in either, but I have 
friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who send me 
invitations.  Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and beneficial?

Chris

Robert Wright wrote:
> [snip]
>   
Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are 
still to scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even 
though in their youth they were anything but Luddite.

>> From: pjfra...@mac.com
>> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800
>> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
>> Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re:  Shipping
phonographs
>>
>> Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the computer
of a friend.  We also helped our friend with her iPod.
>>
>> As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, could
be as "with it" when she got to the age of our friend:  92.  She replied
that she'd always stay up on the latest ipods and other technology...but
paused to reflect when I mentioned that by that time, an iPhone would look
to youngsters the same way an Edison cylinder phono looks to her today.
>>
>> "Antique" is a moving target.  Most kids today have no idea what an LP is
- and even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider it to be an
antique.
>> 
>
> 
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