Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques
Well.I'm no kid (55), and I love Facebook. I've made contact with people that I haven't heard from in decades, and I'm continuously invited to all sorts of events, and parties. Plus, you can just sit back and see what's going on without being an active participent, if you wish. And,yes, I have found two friends on Facebook that are phonograph geeks. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Chris Kocsis chris...@cox.net wrote: How many of us older folks have embraced Web 2.0 social media like Facebook and LinkedIn? Frankly I have no interest in either, but I have friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who send me invitations. Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and beneficial? Chris Robert Wright wrote: [snip] Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are still to scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even though in their youth they were anything but Luddite. From: pjfra...@mac.com Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] definition of antique - was Re: Shipping phonographs Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the computer of a friend. We also helped our friend with her iPod. As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, could be as with it when she got to the age of our friend: 92. She replied that she'd always stay up on the latest ipods and other technology...but paused to reflect when I mentioned that by that time, an iPhone would look to youngsters the same way an Edison cylinder phono looks to her today. Antique is a moving target. Most kids today have no idea what an LP is - and even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider it to be an antique. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques
Facebook, which I joined after my employer constructed a site (BU dental school) is nice for sharing pictures and for promoting things that interest you to your friends and even their friends. I've also been contacted by several old high school acquaintances that I'd lost track of and who I enjoyed communicating with. A couple were even grammar school classmates. It can be a time sucker though. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Chris Kocsis Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:08 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques How many of us older folks have embraced Web 2.0 social media like Facebook and LinkedIn? Frankly I have no interest in either, but I have friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who send me invitations. Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and beneficial? Chris Robert Wright wrote: [snip] Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are still to scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even though in their youth they were anything but Luddite. From: pjfra...@mac.com Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] definition of antique - was Re: Shipping phonographs Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the computer of a friend. We also helped our friend with her iPod. As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, could be as with it when she got to the age of our friend: 92. She replied that she'd always stay up on the latest ipods and other technology...but paused to reflect when I mentioned that by that time, an iPhone would look to youngsters the same way an Edison cylinder phono looks to her today. Antique is a moving target. Most kids today have no idea what an LP is - and even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider it to be an antique. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques
I don't like them much either. I'm 55 so I fit right into the age group that doesn't like these sites that are training our young people to not know how to verbally communicate. I have a nephew that is already there. He can write beautifully, but try to have a conversation with him and it just falls flat. I don't seem to in the majority on this either. My biggest objection to them though is that everything you put, even if you remove it later, on facebook or any other site is permanent public information. Even the information you choose not to share will be available to the government should they wish to take a look. Virtually all employers are now scouring these sites when hiring new employees for information about what you do, who you communicate with, and what you may say. I consider it pretty risky and I am fairly sure in a very short number of years the consequences of regular and not thought through posts will take a real tole on lots of unsuspecting folks. Just my 2 cent worth, Dan - Original Message - From: Chris Kocsis chris...@cox.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques How many of us older folks have embraced Web 2.0 social media like Facebook and LinkedIn? Frankly I have no interest in either, but I have friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who send me invitations. Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and beneficial? Chris Robert Wright wrote: [snip] Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are still to scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even though in their youth they were anything but Luddite. From: pjfra...@mac.com Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] definition of antique - was Re: Shipping phonographs Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the computer of a friend. We also helped our friend with her iPod. As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, could be as with it when she got to the age of our friend: 92. She replied that she'd always stay up on the latest ipods and other technology...but paused to reflect when I mentioned that by that time, an iPhone would look to youngsters the same way an Edison cylinder phono looks to her today. Antique is a moving target. Most kids today have no idea what an LP is - and even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider it to be an antique. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques
I agree mostly... I won't blame facebook for young ppl losing verbal skills. All that stuff comes from parents any way you slice it. But plenty of ppl have been fired or driven out of work situations from things they posted. I think at some point there will be a law established against that kind of thing; if I want to bad mouth my company to friends in a bar, my boss has no right to dismiss me over it just because he could hear me. But then, you must consider morale, company image, etc. Lots of grey area comes with new communications technologies. I like facebook and use it daily. I like being reconnected with 50 or so friends from my past that I would've never heard from again without facebook's unique friend search functions (which made it successful even before myspace started ramming sponsored artists down members' throats and nailed their own coffin shut). I just shut down/off any functions I don't use or like and my facebook homepage is very clean and simple. Nonetheless, social sites aren't for everyone, even if I'm one of millions who consider their lives largely enriched by using them. Any viewpoint is going to be valid to the person subscribing to it. From: d...@old-phonographs.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:32:57 -0800 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques I don't like them much either. I'm 55 so I fit right into the age group that doesn't like these sites that are training our young people to not know how to verbally communicate. I have a nephew that is already there. He can write beautifully, but try to have a conversation with him and it just falls flat. I don't seem to in the majority on this either. My biggest objection to them though is that everything you put, even if you remove it later, on facebook or any other site is permanent public information. Even the information you choose not to share will be available to the government should they wish to take a look. Virtually all employers are now scouring these sites when hiring new employees for information about what you do, who you communicate with, and what you may say. I consider it pretty risky and I am fairly sure in a very short number of years the consequences of regular and not thought through posts will take a real tole on lots of unsuspecting folks. Just my 2 cent worth, Dan _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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There are quite a few phono/record collectors on FB. My problem is that between them, my military buds, work associates, family, etc., it becomes a mish-mash of eclectic stuff. On the other hand, I've talked to folks that I lost track of years ago. As Ron said, it can be a real time sucker. One thing that really annoyed me about FB is that it initially wants to email you every single time someone comments on a post that either you made or commented on. Then there are all the games... every time someone buys a duck for their virtual farm, you'll find out about it. Fortunately, you can turn off the emails and hide the game stuff - once you figure it all out. Loran On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Chris Kocsis chris...@cox.net wrote: How many of us older folks have embraced Web 2.0 social media like Facebook and LinkedIn? Frankly I have no interest in either, but I have friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who send me invitations. Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and beneficial? Chris ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Don't worry, after the government gets their hands on your medical history you will not be concerned with what might be left on the social network sites. Daniel Melvin wrote: I don't like them much either. I'm 55 so I fit right into the age group that doesn't like these sites that are training our young people to not know how to verbally communicate. I have a nephew that is already there. He can write beautifully, but try to have a conversation with him and it just falls flat. I don't seem to in the majority on this either. My biggest objection to them though is that everything you put, even if you remove it later, on facebook or any other site is permanent public information. Even the information you choose not to share will be available to the government should they wish to take a look. Virtually all employers are now scouring these sites when hiring new employees for information about what you do, who you communicate with, and what you may say. I consider it pretty risky and I am fairly sure in a very short number of years the consequences of regular and not thought through posts will take a real tole on lots of unsuspecting folks. Just my 2 cent worth, Dan - Original Message - From: Chris Kocsis chris...@cox.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques How many of us older folks have embraced Web 2.0 social media like Facebook and LinkedIn? Frankly I have no interest in either, but I have friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who send me invitations. Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and beneficial? Chris Robert Wright wrote: [snip] Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are still to scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even though in their youth they were anything but Luddite. From: pjfra...@mac.com Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] definition of antique - was Re: Shipping phonographs Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the computer of a friend. We also helped our friend with her iPod. As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, could be as with it when she got to the age of our friend: 92. She replied that she'd always stay up on the latest ipods and other technology...but paused to reflect when I mentioned that by that time, an iPhone would look to youngsters the same way an Edison cylinder phono looks to her today. Antique is a moving target. Most kids today have no idea what an LP is - and even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider it to be an antique. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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They already have my medical records, fingerprints, and background information. FB is the least of my problems! ;) Loran On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: Don't worry, after the government gets their hands on your medical history you will not be concerned with what might be left on the social network sites. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques
I use facebook to keep up with my extended family around the country. That's the only way some of us can keep touch. I spend about 15 minutes a day on it. Not a heavy user. I'm currently in Job Search so I use Linkedin for networking purposes. 93% of leadership or high tech positions today aren't posted on job boards, but are filled through networking in person or using social networking tools like Linkedin. What really concerns me is the degradation of the English language due to texting. I receive e-mails from people who text a lot and they are unable to construct a cohesive sentence or in some cases communicate or express themselves at all in the written form. I sound like an old fart at the age of 51, don't I. :0) -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Robert Wright Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:19 PM To: Phono L Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques I agree mostly... I won't blame facebook for young ppl losing verbal skills. All that stuff comes from parents any way you slice it. But plenty of ppl have been fired or driven out of work situations from things they posted. I think at some point there will be a law established against that kind of thing; if I want to bad mouth my company to friends in a bar, my boss has no right to dismiss me over it just because he could hear me. But then, you must consider morale, company image, etc. Lots of grey area comes with new communications technologies. I like facebook and use it daily. I like being reconnected with 50 or so friends from my past that I would've never heard from again without facebook's unique friend search functions (which made it successful even before myspace started ramming sponsored artists down members' throats and nailed their own coffin shut). I just shut down/off any functions I don't use or like and my facebook homepage is very clean and simple. Nonetheless, social sites aren't for everyone, even if I'm one of millions who consider their lives largely enriched by using them. Any viewpoint is going to be valid to the person subscribing to it. From: d...@old-phonographs.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:32:57 -0800 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques I don't like them much either. I'm 55 so I fit right into the age group that doesn't like these sites that are training our young people to not know how to verbally communicate. I have a nephew that is already there. He can write beautifully, but try to have a conversation with him and it just falls flat. I don't seem to in the majority on this either. My biggest objection to them though is that everything you put, even if you remove it later, on facebook or any other site is permanent public information. Even the information you choose not to share will be available to the government should they wish to take a look. Virtually all employers are now scouring these sites when hiring new employees for information about what you do, who you communicate with, and what you may say. I consider it pretty risky and I am fairly sure in a very short number of years the consequences of regular and not thought through posts will take a real tole on lots of unsuspecting folks. Just my 2 cent worth, Dan _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Tom, i donno wht u r talking abt. :-P John Robles From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 6:27:20 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques I use facebook to keep up with my extended family around the country. That's the only way some of us can keep touch. I spend about 15 minutes a day on it. Not a heavy user. I'm currently in Job Search so I use Linkedin for networking purposes. 93% of leadership or high tech positions today aren't posted on job boards, but are filled through networking in person or using social networking tools like Linkedin. What really concerns me is the degradation of the English language due to texting. I receive e-mails from people who text a lot and they are unable to construct a cohesive sentence or in some cases communicate or express themselves at all in the written form. I sound like an old fart at the age of 51, don't I. :0) -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Robert Wright Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:19 PM To: Phono L Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques I agree mostly... I won't blame facebook for young ppl losing verbal skills. All that stuff comes from parents any way you slice it. But plenty of ppl have been fired or driven out of work situations from things they posted. I think at some point there will be a law established against that kind of thing; if I want to bad mouth my company to friends in a bar, my boss has no right to dismiss me over it just because he could hear me. But then, you must consider morale, company image, etc. Lots of grey area comes with new communications technologies. I like facebook and use it daily. I like being reconnected with 50 or so friends from my past that I would've never heard from again without facebook's unique friend search functions (which made it successful even before myspace started ramming sponsored artists down members' throats and nailed their own coffin shut). I just shut down/off any functions I don't use or like and my facebook homepage is very clean and simple. Nonetheless, social sites aren't for everyone, even if I'm one of millions who consider their lives largely enriched by using them. Any viewpoint is going to be valid to the person subscribing to it. From: d...@old-phonographs.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:32:57 -0800 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques I don't like them much either. I'm 55 so I fit right into the age group that doesn't like these sites that are training our young people to not know how to verbally communicate. I have a nephew that is already there. He can write beautifully, but try to have a conversation with him and it just falls flat. I don't seem to in the majority on this either. My biggest objection to them though is that everything you put, even if you remove it later, on facebook or any other site is permanent public information. Even the information you choose not to share will be available to the government should they wish to take a look. Virtually all employers are now scouring these sites when hiring new employees for information about what you do, who you communicate with, and what you may say. I consider it pretty risky and I am fairly sure in a very short number of years the consequences of regular and not thought through posts will take a real tole on lots of unsuspecting folks. Just my 2 cent worth, Dan _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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LOL! Loran On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:29 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Tom, i donno wht u r talking abt. :-P John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Well, that was my point. I have filled out so many background investigation forms that I have lost track. Loran T. Hughes wrote: They already have my medical records, fingerprints, and background information. FB is the least of my problems! ;) Loran On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: Don't worry, after the government gets their hands on your medical history you will not be concerned with what might be left on the social network sites. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
