Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 22:11 +0800, paragasu wrote: I'm guessing, since you quoted os-commerce and phpBB, you don't know shit code when you see it. Just because it's popular doesn't mean the code is good. Have you ever tried to modify either of these? What a mess. honestly, i don't and not really interested to dig inside thus code. but i guess, modifying the phpBB code not easier than modifying the core of codeIgniter or CakePHP. 10k lines of code built over a framework is not the same as 10k lines that essentially required you to build your own framework. since framework already included a thousand line of code even before you start to do the program, i think it will be less code if we start to write the program on our own. Not to mention, the framework core take a lot of diskspace. some more than 2MB of code. You didn't just say 2MB and lot of diskspace in the same breath did you? Please, someone pinch me, I must be dreaming. Space is CHEAP! My client is a small2 company. i manage to write code less than 300KB to do everything they ask me to do. Sure, i do not need all thus fancy feature (caching etc), i do not need multiple user or role based support provided by framework. If you're focused on disk space under 5 megs, I would argue you have your priorities a bit screwed up. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 10:07 -0600, Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:54 AM, paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can only think of copy paste method if i were required to write a PHP application without a single line of code even a simple hello world! application. i am really cannot be in the same league :( . well, i might have to work a little harder. imagine a cms, like drupal or joomla. you install the thing w/ the web based installer then go through adding content via the web interface; u can do it :D You said that wrong... You can do t! :) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 01:02 +0800, paragasu wrote: imagine a cms, like drupal or joomla. you install the thing w/ the web based installer then go through adding content via the web interface; u can do it :D -nathan i am going to miss the fun doing programming then. As a comparison, framework is like a canned food. available anytime you wan't. but still, it doesn't give me the fun of cooking my own meal. sometimes, it is not about eating that make me happy. it is the cooking part. Same goes for programming. Great cooker invent good recipe and make a factories to produce the same product in a large number. Great programmer invent framework so other people can use it to create many program. If for productivity. canned food is good. But i think, i still prefer sweet sour fried rice over canned food. don't you? I prefer raw huma^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M chicken! Yeah, chicken! That's it! :B Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:05 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Tony Marston wrote: Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers? [/snip] It is not available for download So your claims cannot be substantiated by anyone in this group. but it has been reviewed by peers on several project teams who have used it. It was developed specifically for a company who owns the work product. I have not re-created for general use by mere mortals but I will soon. Let me know when as I could do with a good laugh. Well, if you would take the time to individually download 1,000 classes and piece them together you may find a very feature rich framework: http://www.phpclasses.org. Or maybe meta storage http://www.meta-language.net/metastorage.html. Or you may find you've got 999 classes of code you'll never use :) That would be one hell of an undertaking to piece them together. I'm going to guess you'll need namespaces too since I bet some of them step on each other's toes. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
Tony Marston wrote: Audit logging - http://www.tonymarston.net/php-mysql/auditlog.html Workflow - http://www.tonymarston.net/php-mysql/workflow.html Yuck - MySQL :( A decent database has it's own logging stuff built in ;) And a decent database library does not care which database you use :) I think that there is a reasonable 'breakpoint' here. As soon as you what an application structure where users need to log in and security needs managing then ideally that is provided by the framework. Decent frameworks use well established libraries to provide some of those functions - ADOdb and smarty suit me nicely. I can write stand alone stuff via ADOdb direct, or I can work via the framework and access second level functions such as gallery, board, editing and the like. Some applications can directly access the libraries, and that is the hole I have 'dug' myself into since moving from the earlier simple 'framework' to something that provides a proper security and expandability is now proving difficult. 'If it isn't broken don't fix it' causes a problem when YOU know that the step change will make future development easier, but the customers keep asking - 'Can you just add XXX' :( -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://home.lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
Lester Caine wrote: 'If it isn't broken don't fix it' causes a problem when YOU know that the step change will make future development easier, but the customers keep asking - 'Can you just add XXX' :( So they actually ask for a porn site? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:46 +0200, Aschwin Wesselius wrote: Lester Caine wrote: 'If it isn't broken don't fix it' causes a problem when YOU know that the step change will make future development easier, but the customers keep asking - 'Can you just add XXX' :( So they actually ask for a porn site? *rofl* -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
[snip] Let me know when as I could do with a good laugh. [/snip] Fair enough, you have already given me several! :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] mb_convert_encoding converting to ASCII instead of UTF-8
I've run into a problem where mb_convert_encoding seems to be converting to ASCII, even though I'm telling it to convert to UTF-8. This is with PHP version 4.3.11. I had been asking it to convert from auto to UTF-8, so at first I thought maybe auto was not the right choice. So I called mb_detect_encoding to see the format of what I was trying to convert; it said it was already UTF-8 (before I did the conversion). So then I thought maybe I got the from and to parameters backwards (although I was confident I was following the documentation), so I changed mb_convert_encoding to use UTF-8 as /both/ the from and to. It still converts to ASCII. I understand that, given that it's already UTF-8, I don't need to convert it to UTF-8. But other things that I receive might /not/ be UTF-8, so I am still concerned with this. Sample code: htmlheadtitleMinnie/title/headbodyp ?php $x = $_REQUEST['Minnie']; echo $x . ' ... ' . mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) . 'br/'; $x = mb_convert_encoding ( $x, UTF-8, UTF-8 ); echo $x . ' ... ' . mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) . 'br/'; ? /p/body/html Output, when called with URL parameter Minnie=Miñoso: Miñoso ... UTF-8 Mioso ... ASCII Then I changed the from so that I could try converting from something other than UTF-8: $x = mb_convert_encoding ( $x, UTF-8, mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) ); And now, output when called with Minnie=Mouse: Mouse ... ASCII Mouse ... ASCII Does anyone have any idea what's going on here? Am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance for any help. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
At the risk of extending this already looong thread... Ah, screw it. I actually read all of the Radicore documentation on Monday following someone's suggestion last week about module access control. That was before this thread got started, BTW. Now I'm not a Framework guy at all, and I don't know nor have ever communicated with Tony, but I was very impressed with the level of sophistication and conceptual richness of the Radicore Framework, his insight and solutions for common issues such as users hitting the 'browser back button' and having multiple, open instances of a web page, differentiation in usage of GET and POST, and session management in particular. I'm happy to entertain and play along with threads that drift into meta-topic struggles, but honestly, let's not lose the forest for the trees. There's good stuff in Radicore, as I'm sure there are in some other frameworks. -- -David. When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. -Jimi Hendrix -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] mb_convert_encoding converting to ASCII instead of UTF-8
A little additional info: The ASCII to ASCII case for Minnie=Mouse is merely because the UTF-8 encoding for Mouse is the same as the ASCII encoding for Mouse, and mb_detect_encoding is matching on ASCII before UTF-8. So that's not an issue. But, the UTF-8 to ASCII case for Minnie=Miñoso is still (seemingly) screwy. Robert William Vesterman wrote: I've run into a problem where mb_convert_encoding seems to be converting to ASCII, even though I'm telling it to convert to UTF-8. This is with PHP version 4.3.11. I had been asking it to convert from auto to UTF-8, so at first I thought maybe auto was not the right choice. So I called mb_detect_encoding to see the format of what I was trying to convert; it said it was already UTF-8 (before I did the conversion). So then I thought maybe I got the from and to parameters backwards (although I was confident I was following the documentation), so I changed mb_convert_encoding to use UTF-8 as /both/ the from and to. It still converts to ASCII. I understand that, given that it's already UTF-8, I don't need to convert it to UTF-8. But other things that I receive might /not/ be UTF-8, so I am still concerned with this. Sample code: htmlheadtitleMinnie/title/headbodyp ?php $x = $_REQUEST['Minnie']; echo $x . ' ... ' . mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) . 'br/'; $x = mb_convert_encoding ( $x, UTF-8, UTF-8 ); echo $x . ' ... ' . mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) . 'br/'; ? /p/body/html Output, when called with URL parameter Minnie=Miñoso: Miñoso ... UTF-8 Mioso ... ASCII Then I changed the from so that I could try converting from something other than UTF-8: $x = mb_convert_encoding ( $x, UTF-8, mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) ); And now, output when called with Minnie=Mouse: Mouse ... ASCII Mouse ... ASCII Does anyone have any idea what's going on here? Am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance for any help. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] mb_convert_encoding converting to ASCII instead of UTF-8
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Robert William Vesterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've run into a problem where mb_convert_encoding seems to be converting to ASCII, even though I'm telling it to convert to UTF-8. This is with PHP version 4.3.11. I had been asking it to convert from auto to UTF-8, so at first I thought maybe auto was not the right choice. So I called mb_detect_encoding to see the format of what I was trying to convert; it said it was already UTF-8 (before I did the conversion). So then I thought maybe I got the from and to parameters backwards (although I was confident I was following the documentation), so I changed mb_convert_encoding to use UTF-8 as /both/ the from and to. It still converts to ASCII. I understand that, given that it's already UTF-8, I don't need to convert it to UTF-8. But other things that I receive might /not/ be UTF-8, so I am still concerned with this. Sample code: htmlheadtitleMinnie/title/headbodyp ?php $x = $_REQUEST['Minnie']; echo $x . ' ... ' . mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) . 'br/'; $x = mb_convert_encoding ( $x, UTF-8, UTF-8 ); echo $x . ' ... ' . mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) . 'br/'; ? /p/body/html Output, when called with URL parameter Minnie=Miñoso: Miñoso ... UTF-8 Mioso ... ASCII Then I changed the from so that I could try converting from something other than UTF-8: $x = mb_convert_encoding ( $x, UTF-8, mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) ); And now, output when called with Minnie=Mouse: Mouse ... ASCII Mouse ... ASCII Does anyone have any idea what's going on here? Am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance for any help. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php #1 Upgrade your php version. Yours is over 3 years old [1]. #2 Maybe something here [2] will help you. [1] http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-4.php#4.3.11 [2] http://www.phpwact.org/php/i18n/charsets
Re: [PHP] mb_convert_encoding converting to ASCII instead of UTF-8
OK, now the problem seems to be not that mb_convert_encoding is encoding
incorrectly, it's that mb_detect_encoding is detecting incorrectly.
It's claiming that the raw string as received from the browser is UTF-8,
where in reality it seems to be ISO-8859-1. Sample code:
htmlheadtitleMinnie/title/headbodyp
?php
function output ( $label, $x ) {
echo $label . ': ' . $x . ' ... ' . mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) .
'br/';
}
$x = $_REQUEST['Minnie'];
output ( Raw, $x );
output ( Convert from detected,
mb_convert_encoding ( $x, UTF-8, mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) ) );
output ( Convert from ISO,
mb_convert_encoding ( $x, UTF-8, ISO-8859-1 ) );
?
/p/body/html
Output for Minnie=Mi%F1oso:
Raw: Mi?oso ... UTF-8
Convert from detected: Mioso ... ASCII
Convert from ISO: Miñoso ... UTF-8
Robert William Vesterman wrote:
A little additional info: The ASCII to ASCII case for Minnie=Mouse
is merely because the UTF-8 encoding for Mouse is the same as the
ASCII encoding for Mouse, and mb_detect_encoding is matching on
ASCII before UTF-8. So that's not an issue.
But, the UTF-8 to ASCII case for Minnie=Miñoso is still
(seemingly) screwy.
Robert William Vesterman wrote:
I've run into a problem where mb_convert_encoding seems to be
converting to ASCII, even though I'm telling it to convert to UTF-8.
This is with PHP version 4.3.11.
I had been asking it to convert from auto to UTF-8, so at first I
thought maybe auto was not the right choice. So I called
mb_detect_encoding to see the format of what I was trying to
convert; it said it was already UTF-8 (before I did the conversion).
So then I thought maybe I got the from and to parameters
backwards (although I was confident I was following the
documentation), so I changed mb_convert_encoding to use UTF-8 as
/both/ the from and to.
It still converts to ASCII.
I understand that, given that it's already UTF-8, I don't need to
convert it to UTF-8. But other things that I receive might /not/ be
UTF-8, so I am still concerned with this.
Sample code:
htmlheadtitleMinnie/title/headbodyp
?php
$x = $_REQUEST['Minnie'];
echo $x . ' ... ' . mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) . 'br/';
$x = mb_convert_encoding ( $x, UTF-8, UTF-8 );
echo $x . ' ... ' . mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) . 'br/';
?
/p/body/html
Output, when called with URL parameter Minnie=Miñoso:
Miñoso ... UTF-8
Mioso ... ASCII
Then I changed the from so that I could try converting from
something other than UTF-8:
$x = mb_convert_encoding ( $x, UTF-8, mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) );
And now, output when called with Minnie=Mouse:
Mouse ... ASCII
Mouse ... ASCII
Does anyone have any idea what's going on here? Am I doing something
wrong?
Thanks in advance for any help.
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Re: [PHP] mb_convert_encoding converting to ASCII instead of UTF-8
And the culprit is that mb_detect_order() wasn't set up to handle
ISO-8859-1. It was ASCII, UTF-8. Changing it to ASCII, UTF-8,
ISO-8859-1 makes everything work as expected.
Robert William Vesterman wrote:
OK, now the problem seems to be not that mb_convert_encoding is
encoding incorrectly, it's that mb_detect_encoding is detecting
incorrectly. It's claiming that the raw string as received from the
browser is UTF-8, where in reality it seems to be ISO-8859-1. Sample
code:
htmlheadtitleMinnie/title/headbodyp
?php
function output ( $label, $x ) {
echo $label . ': ' . $x . ' ... ' . mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) .
'br/';
}
$x = $_REQUEST['Minnie'];
output ( Raw, $x );
output ( Convert from detected,
mb_convert_encoding ( $x, UTF-8, mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) ) );
output ( Convert from ISO,
mb_convert_encoding ( $x, UTF-8, ISO-8859-1 ) );
?
/p/body/html
Output for Minnie=Mi%F1oso:
Raw: Mi?oso ... UTF-8
Convert from detected: Mioso ... ASCII
Convert from ISO: Miñoso ... UTF-8
Robert William Vesterman wrote:
A little additional info: The ASCII to ASCII case for
Minnie=Mouse is merely because the UTF-8 encoding for Mouse is
the same as the ASCII encoding for Mouse, and mb_detect_encoding is
matching on ASCII before UTF-8. So that's not an issue.
But, the UTF-8 to ASCII case for Minnie=Miñoso is still
(seemingly) screwy.
Robert William Vesterman wrote:
I've run into a problem where mb_convert_encoding seems to be
converting to ASCII, even though I'm telling it to convert to
UTF-8. This is with PHP version 4.3.11.
I had been asking it to convert from auto to UTF-8, so at first I
thought maybe auto was not the right choice. So I called
mb_detect_encoding to see the format of what I was trying to
convert; it said it was already UTF-8 (before I did the conversion).
So then I thought maybe I got the from and to parameters
backwards (although I was confident I was following the
documentation), so I changed mb_convert_encoding to use UTF-8 as
/both/ the from and to.
It still converts to ASCII.
I understand that, given that it's already UTF-8, I don't need to
convert it to UTF-8. But other things that I receive might /not/ be
UTF-8, so I am still concerned with this.
Sample code:
htmlheadtitleMinnie/title/headbodyp
?php
$x = $_REQUEST['Minnie'];
echo $x . ' ... ' . mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) . 'br/';
$x = mb_convert_encoding ( $x, UTF-8, UTF-8 );
echo $x . ' ... ' . mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) . 'br/';
?
/p/body/html
Output, when called with URL parameter Minnie=Miñoso:
Miñoso ... UTF-8
Mioso ... ASCII
Then I changed the from so that I could try converting from
something other than UTF-8:
$x = mb_convert_encoding ( $x, UTF-8, mb_detect_encoding ( $x ) );
And now, output when called with Minnie=Mouse:
Mouse ... ASCII
Mouse ... ASCII
Does anyone have any idea what's going on here? Am I doing something
wrong?
Thanks in advance for any help.
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Re: [PHP] mb_convert_encoding converting to ASCII instead of UTF-8
At 11:28 AM -0400 4/23/08, Robert William Vesterman wrote: A little additional info: The ASCII to ASCII case for Minnie=Mouse is merely because the UTF-8 encoding for Mouse is the same as the ASCII encoding for Mouse, and mb_detect_encoding is matching on ASCII before UTF-8. So that's not an issue. But, the UTF-8 to ASCII case for Minnie=Miñoso is still (seemingly) screwy. Going for UTF-8 to ASCII is not going to work. The ASCII to UTF-8 works because ASCII is contained within UTF8. But the reverse is not true. Not all of UTF-8 is contained within ASCII. For example, the character (code-point) ñ does not appear in ASCII, so that doesn't work. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] mb_convert_encoding converting to ASCII instead of UTF-8
I wasn't saying I was /telling/ it to go from UTF-8 to ASCII. I was saying it /was/ going from UTF-8 to ASCII, despite the fact that I was telling it to go from UTF-8 to UTF-8. And as noted previously in this thread, it turned out to be because mb_detect_encoding was /mistakenly/ detecting it as UTF-8 in the first place. It was actually ISO-8859-1, not UTF-8. So when I told it to convert from UTF-8 (which mb_detect_encoding said it was), mb_convert_encoding ran into a non-UTF-8 character (the ñ), and so threw it away. The generated output was therefore all straight ASCII characters, which mb_detect_encoding therefore said was ASCII. tedd wrote: At 11:28 AM -0400 4/23/08, Robert William Vesterman wrote: A little additional info: The ASCII to ASCII case for Minnie=Mouse is merely because the UTF-8 encoding for Mouse is the same as the ASCII encoding for Mouse, and mb_detect_encoding is matching on ASCII before UTF-8. So that's not an issue. But, the UTF-8 to ASCII case for Minnie=Miñoso is still (seemingly) screwy. Going for UTF-8 to ASCII is not going to work. The ASCII to UTF-8 works because ASCII is contained within UTF8. But the reverse is not true. Not all of UTF-8 is contained within ASCII. For example, the character (code-point) ñ does not appear in ASCII, so that doesn't work. Cheers, tedd -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
At 3:35 PM +0100 4/22/08, Stut wrote: Tony Marston wrote: No I'm not. Shocking and unexpected opinion from the developer of a framework. NOT! Anyway, I can see this falling into another lengthy discussion so I'll get my contribution in early to avoid disappointment. As others have mentioned this question is plagued by semantic arguments. To me a framework is as much about the way requests are routed and handled as it is about utility code. I don't use what I would call a framework, but I do have a well-established file layout for my sites and an extensive library of code that covers everything I need to do regularly. If I have an itch it doesn't scratch I'll write it in a reusable way. The file layout and code library has definitely been put through it's paces and is currently in use on a 1.4m+ UUpM (~18m PVpM) site and several smaller properties so I know it works securely, reliably and it scales. I don't use third-party code libraries unless there's no other way of doing it or time constraints are in play. Maybe it's due to past experiences or maybe it's just the way I am, but I don't like using code written by people I don't know and trust unless I can spend time picking it apart, and generally I found it's quicker to start again. It's also worth noting the shocking quality of some open source projects. It may work but do you know how secure and stable it is? I've been forced to use a couple of frameworks in the past and the main thing that struck me is that they work far too hard in the name of being able to satisfy a wide variety of needs. This not only over-complicates the code but can also be a massive drain on runtime resources. I understand why they're like this but it's yet another reason I stick to my own collection. Anyways, back to work. -Stut Well put. Not speaking for you, but if we had listened to the there's only one way to do it types, we wouldn't have PC's on our desks but rather terminals. As they say in PERL, there's always more than one way to do it. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] :: breakage - post php 5.2.4
all, i have observed breakage in some of the class functionality involving the scope resolution operator in php after php 5.2.4. in said version strings holding class names can be used w/ the scope resolution operator to resolve static members and class constants. this no longer works in php 5.2.5; ive just installed 5.2.6_rc3 and found that it is not fixed there either. im told this will be restored in 5.3; but if it was working in 5.2.4, why remove it in versions between 5.2.5 (inclusive) and 5.3 (exclusive)? this results in some rather ugly workarounds. im curious if anyone else has noticed this or knows more about it. -nathan
[PHP] Big companies that use PHP?
Hey guys, I've been asked this common question: What big companies use PHP in big apps? I don't know where to find this kind of stuff and, well. here I am :) Do any of you know? And what % of the web market share does PHP take? Thanks, Thiago Pojda
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
At 5:24 PM +0300 4/22/08, Sancar Saran wrote: Hello there, Is anyone looking jQuery recently ?. Thas what I call framework... Yes, and I'm programming with it. But, that's what jQuery and I call a library. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Big companies that use PHP?
On 4/23/08, Thiago Pojda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I've been asked this common question: What big companies use PHP in big apps? I don't know where to find this kind of stuff and, well. here I am :) Do any of you know? And what % of the web market share does PHP take? Thanks, Thiago Pojda Facebook, Wikimedia, Oracle, Yahoo are just a few -- Bastien Cat, the other other white meat
Re: [PHP] Big companies that use PHP?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Thiago Pojda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I've been asked this common question: What big companies use PHP in big apps? I don't know where to find this kind of stuff and, well. here I am :) Do any of you know? And what % of the web market share does PHP take? Thanks, Thiago Pojda Yahoo!, Digg, Facebook, and Flickr are a few. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Big companies that use PHP?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Thiago Pojda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I've been asked this common question: What big companies use PHP in big apps? I don't know where to find this kind of stuff and, well. here I am :) Do any of you know? And what % of the web market share does PHP take? Thanks, Thiago Pojda I'm with my 3rd company over $100 million in sales per that uses PHP. There are lots out there. -- -Dan Joseph Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for the rest of the day. Light a man on fire, and will be warm for the rest of his life.
RES: [PHP] Big companies that use PHP?
Just found out that Digg, Flickr, fotolog.com are among those. :) _ De: Bastien Koert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviada em: quarta-feira, 23 de abril de 2008 15:32 Para: Thiago Pojda Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Assunto: Re: [PHP] Big companies that use PHP? On 4/23/08, Thiago Pojda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I've been asked this common question: What big companies use PHP in big apps? I don't know where to find this kind of stuff and, well. here I am :) Do any of you know? And what % of the web market share does PHP take? Thanks, Thiago Pojda Facebook, Wikimedia, Oracle, Yahoo are just a few -- Bastien Cat, the other other white meat
Re: [PHP] Big companies that use PHP?
We're using it at Intel on a handful of sites... I think my team is the only one though :) The apps aren't really big but we are a big company using it. On 4/23/08, Thiago Pojda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I've been asked this common question: What big companies use PHP in big apps? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:29 PM, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 5:24 PM +0300 4/22/08, Sancar Saran wrote: Hello there, Is anyone looking jQuery recently ?. Thas what I call framework... Yes, and I'm programming with it. But, that's what jQuery and I call a library. interestingly, prototype claims it is a framework. -nathan
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: interestingly, prototype claims it is a framework. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=define%3A+frameworkbtnG=Google+Search Lots of differing opinions. :) Seeing as script.aculo.us and all that stuff is written on Prototype, it hits on some of those definitions. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Eric Butera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: interestingly, prototype claims it is a framework. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=define%3A+frameworkbtnG=Google+Search Lots of differing opinions. :) Seeing as script.aculo.us and all that stuff is written on Prototype, it hits on some of those definitions. one characteristic i would attribute to frameworks is that they impose global conventions on a project, such as where certain types of files must reside; whether files can be placed in subdirectories, how urls must be formed and so on.. libraries can pretty much be included anywhere and the only conventions they impose is those that could be found in any other group of packages / classes / functions, proprietary or otherwise. -nathan
[PHP] the most amazing php code i have ever seen so far
i have seen many php code. i learn php on my own, and during early days with php, i download many open source php project and try to learn the coding on my own. i did see many code (ugly, spaghetti code etc). Some even take me few hours to figure out how it works. But one project using php in a very clean way. The codeis look so simple. yet do so much thing. Personally, i vote for www.eyeos.org project for the best php code. Anyone know better?
Re: [PHP] the most amazing php code i have ever seen so far
On 4/23/08, paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But one project using php in a very clean way. The codeis look so simple. yet do so much thing. Personally, i vote for www.eyeos.org project for the best php code. Anyone know better? Yes: mine. :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:14 -0600, Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Eric Butera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: interestingly, prototype claims it is a framework. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=define%3A+frameworkbtnG=Google+Search Lots of differing opinions. :) Seeing as script.aculo.us and all that stuff is written on Prototype, it hits on some of those definitions. one characteristic i would attribute to frameworks is that they impose global conventions on a project, such as where certain types of files must reside; whether files can be placed in subdirectories, how urls must be formed and so on.. libraries can pretty much be included anywhere and the only conventions they impose is those that could be found in any other group of packages / classes / functions, proprietary or otherwise. I'm sure you meant some framework do what you've written above. :) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RES: [PHP] Big companies that use PHP?
Thanks everyone for replying, I think those names can change someone's mind ;) -Mensagem original- De: mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviada em: quarta-feira, 23 de abril de 2008 15:48 Para: Thiago Pojda Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Assunto: Re: [PHP] Big companies that use PHP? We're using it at Intel on a handful of sites... I think my team is the only one though :) The apps aren't really big but we are a big company using it. On 4/23/08, Thiago Pojda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I've been asked this common question: What big companies use PHP in big apps? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Large XML manipulation within PHP
I work for a company that has chosen to use XML (Software AG Tamino XML database) as its storage system for an enterprise application. We need to make a system wide change to information within the database that isn't feasible to do through our application's user interface. My solution was to unload the XML collection in question, open it, manipulate it, then write it back out. Problem is it's a 230+MB file and even with PHP's max mem set to 4096MB (of 8GB available to the system) SimpleXML claims to still run out of memory. Can anyone recommend a better way for handling a large amount of XML data? Thanks. -- --Steve Gula (this email address is used for list communications only, direct contact at this email address is not guaranteed to be read)
Re: [PHP] Large XML manipulation within PHP
On 4/23/08, Steve Gula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work for a company that has chosen to use XML (Software AG Tamino XML database) as its storage system for an enterprise application. We need to make a system wide change to information within the database that isn't feasible to do through our application's user interface. My solution was to unload the XML collection in question, open it, manipulate it, then write it back out. Problem is it's a 230+MB file and even with PHP's max mem set to 4096MB (of 8GB available to the system) SimpleXML claims to still run out of memory. Can anyone recommend a better way for handling a large amount of XML data? Thanks. -- --Steve Gula (this email address is used for list communications only, direct contact at this email address is not guaranteed to be read) Can you chunk the data in any way, break it into smaller more managable peices? -- Bastien Cat, the other other white meat
Re: [PHP] Large XML manipulation within PHP
I could but it would make things very difficult. Some of the entities around id # 100 could be affected by entities around id #11000 and would result in a file needing to be manipulated at the same time. Unfortunately, I don't think this is a top to bottom change for the information at hand. On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Bastien Koert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/08, Steve Gula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work for a company that has chosen to use XML (Software AG Tamino XML database) as its storage system for an enterprise application. We need to make a system wide change to information within the database that isn't feasible to do through our application's user interface. My solution was to unload the XML collection in question, open it, manipulate it, then write it back out. Problem is it's a 230+MB file and even with PHP's max mem set to 4096MB (of 8GB available to the system) SimpleXML claims to still run out of memory. Can anyone recommend a better way for handling a large amount of XML data? Thanks. -- --Steve Gula (this email address is used for list communications only, direct contact at this email address is not guaranteed to be read) Can you chunk the data in any way, break it into smaller more managable peices? -- Bastien Cat, the other other white meat -- --Steve Gula (this email address is used for list communications only, direct contact at this email address is not guaranteed to be read)
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:14 -0600, Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Eric Butera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: interestingly, prototype claims it is a framework. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=define%3A+frameworkbtnG=Google+Search Lots of differing opinions. :) Seeing as script.aculo.us and all that stuff is written on Prototype, it hits on some of those definitions. one characteristic i would attribute to frameworks is that they impose global conventions on a project, such as where certain types of files must reside; whether files can be placed in subdirectories, how urls must be formed and so on.. libraries can pretty much be included anywhere and the only conventions they impose is those that could be found in any other group of packages / classes / functions, proprietary or otherwise. I'm sure you meant some framework do what you've written above. :) sure :) -nathan
Re: [PHP] Big companies that use PHP?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Thiago Pojda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone for replying, I think those names can change someone's mind ;) i know where youre coming from; i recall a certain manager once saying to me 'php doesnt scale when it goes OO'. i wanted to take his head off, but instead i mentioned wikipedia. -nathan
Re: [PHP] Large XML manipulation within PHP
On 23 Apr 2008, at 21:41, Steve Gula wrote: I could but it would make things very difficult. Some of the entities around id # 100 could be affected by entities around id #11000 and would result in a file needing to be manipulated at the same time. Unfortunately, I don't think this is a top to bottom change for the information at hand. Can you not do it with a text processor like sed? That would be a lot easier than trying to do it with SimpleXML. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Bastien Koert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/08, Steve Gula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work for a company that has chosen to use XML (Software AG Tamino XML database) as its storage system for an enterprise application. We need to make a system wide change to information within the database that isn't feasible to do through our application's user interface. My solution was to unload the XML collection in question, open it, manipulate it, then write it back out. Problem is it's a 230+MB file and even with PHP's max mem set to 4096MB (of 8GB available to the system) SimpleXML claims to still run out of memory. Can anyone recommend a better way for handling a large amount of XML data? Thanks. -- --Steve Gula (this email address is used for list communications only, direct contact at this email address is not guaranteed to be read) Can you chunk the data in any way, break it into smaller more managable peices? -- Bastien Cat, the other other white meat -- --Steve Gula (this email address is used for list communications only, direct contact at this email address is not guaranteed to be read) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: RES: [PHP] Big companies that use PHP?
Thiago Pojda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone for replying, I think those names can change someone's mind ;) -Mensagem original- De: mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviada em: quarta-feira, 23 de abril de 2008 15:48 Para: Thiago Pojda Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Assunto: Re: [PHP] Big companies that use PHP? We're using it at Intel on a handful of sites... I think my team is the only one though :) The apps aren't really big but we are a big company using it. On 4/23/08, Thiago Pojda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I've been asked this common question: What big companies use PHP in big apps? IBM in case the manager needs another big name... There's Java here too, but I don't see Ruby anywhere... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: RES: [PHP] Big companies that use PHP?
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 16:54 -0400, Wolf wrote: Thiago Pojda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone for replying, I think those names can change someone's mind ;) -Mensagem original- De: mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviada em: quarta-feira, 23 de abril de 2008 15:48 Para: Thiago Pojda Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Assunto: Re: [PHP] Big companies that use PHP? We're using it at Intel on a handful of sites... I think my team is the only one though :) The apps aren't really big but we are a big company using it. On 4/23/08, Thiago Pojda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I've been asked this common question: What big companies use PHP in big apps? IBM in case the manager needs another big name... There's Java here too, but I don't see Ruby anywhere... Ruby sucks... oh wait... where's Greg... *ducks and runs away cackling* ;) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Large XML manipulation within PHP
Hi, How about expat with custom XML handlers? Should work even with an 32 MB memory limit. It will just take some time ... Have fun Bastien Koert schrieb: On 4/23/08, Steve Gula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work for a company that has chosen to use XML (Software AG Tamino XML database) as its storage system for an enterprise application. We need to make a system wide change to information within the database that isn't feasible to do through our application's user interface. My solution was to unload the XML collection in question, open it, manipulate it, then write it back out. Problem is it's a 230+MB file and even with PHP's max mem set to 4096MB (of 8GB available to the system) SimpleXML claims to still run out of memory. Can anyone recommend a better way for handling a large amount of XML data? Thanks. -- --Steve Gula (this email address is used for list communications only, direct contact at this email address is not guaranteed to be read) Can you chunk the data in any way, break it into smaller more managable peices? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Large XML manipulation within PHP
In that case you may want to try XMLReader as it doesn't load all XML
into memory.
If that doesn't help that you will need to do custom parser
application for you need.
using XMLReader to read through whole XML chunking it with eg every
5000 items and storing those chunks on disk.
Than use SimpleXML to read and manipulate those chunks and save them
back to disk.
It would help if you can provide with XML mockup
eg.
feed
item id='1'
...
/item
item id='2'
...
/item
item id='3'
...
/item
item id='278172'
/item
/feed
?php
//this will makes files xml-1.xml xml-2.xml etc
makeChunksWithXmlReader($pathToLargeXmlFile, CustomXmlManipulator::
$SPLITAT);
class CustomXmlManipulator{
static $SPLITAT = 5000;
function getXmlChunk($id){
return simplexml_load_file( $this- getXmlFile($id) );
}
function storeXml($id,$simpleXmlObject){
$file = $this- getXmlFile($id);
file_put_contents( $file , $simpleXmlObject-asXml() );
//free up the memory
$simpleXmlObject = null;
}
function getXmlFile($id){
$chunk = (int)($id / self::$SPLITAT) + 1;
return 'xml-' . $chunk .' .xml';
}
}
$XMLM = new CustomXmlManipulator();
$first = $XMLM- getXmlChunk(1);
foreach ($first as $x){
.
if(something){
//here you need to manipulate ID 23493
$tmpX = $XMLM- getXmlChunk(23493);
$tmpX- = .; //change XML
$XMLM-storeXml(23493, $tmpX);
}
}
?
this is just a basic logic it can be extender further more, depending
on your needs.
function makeChunksWithXmlReader needs to go through a XML file
and make chunks on disk.
more on XMLReader http://www.php.net/manual/en/class.xmlreader.php
On Apr 23, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Steve Gula wrote:
I could but it would make things very difficult. Some of the
entities around
id # 100 could be affected by entities around id #11000 and would
result in
a file needing to be manipulated at the same time. Unfortunately, I
don't
think this is a top to bottom change for the information at hand.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Bastien Koert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 4/23/08, Steve Gula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I work for a company that has chosen to use XML (Software AG
Tamino XML
database) as its storage system for an enterprise application. We
need
to
make a system wide change to information within the database that
isn't
feasible to do through our application's user interface. My
solution was
to
unload the XML collection in question, open it, manipulate it, then
write it
back out. Problem is it's a 230+MB file and even with PHP's max
mem set
to
4096MB (of 8GB available to the system) SimpleXML claims to still
run
out of
memory. Can anyone recommend a better way for handling a large
amount of
XML
data? Thanks.
--
--Steve Gula
(this email address is used for list communications only, direct
contact
at
this email address is not guaranteed to be read)
Can you chunk the data in any way, break it into smaller more
managable
peices?
--
Bastien
Cat, the other other white meat
--
--Steve Gula
(this email address is used for list communications only, direct
contact at
this email address is not guaranteed to be read)
Bojan Tesanovic
http://www.carster.us/
[PHP] Testing HTTPS without certificate
Hi - - - - -- I have a typical setup -- my development machine, a testing server and, of course, the production server. My development machine, of course, doesn't have a Secure certificate, yet I need to be able to test https pages here, before getting to the testing server. (Currently, the testing server doesn't have one either, but that will be remedied shortly.) I know how to test for the existance of HTTPS, and stuff like that. So: Can one test https on a local machine? Resources, anyone? I have Googled my fingers off. Environment: PHP 5.2.5 Win 2K IIS 5 - or, if I need to - Mac OS-X 10.4 Apache? (I haven't set up the Mac as a server) - or - Linux (Ubuntu) with Apache (I am moving this direction and haven't yet learned how to run Apache) Ken -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
Robert Cummings wrote: On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:05 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Tony Marston wrote: Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers? [/snip] It is not available for download So your claims cannot be substantiated by anyone in this group. but it has been reviewed by peers on several project teams who have used it. It was developed specifically for a company who owns the work product. I have not re-created for general use by mere mortals but I will soon. Let me know when as I could do with a good laugh. Well, if you would take the time to individually download 1,000 classes and piece them together you may find a very feature rich framework: http://www.phpclasses.org. Or maybe meta storage http://www.meta-language.net/metastorage.html. Or you may find you've got 999 classes of code you'll never use :) That would be one hell of an undertaking to piece them together. I'm going to guess you'll need namespaces too since I bet some of them step on each other's toes. Cheers, Rob. Obviously not a very good one, but that was in the spirit of a joke. ;-) -Shawn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Testing HTTPS without certificate
Ken Kixmoeller wrote: Hi - - - - -- I have a typical setup -- my development machine, a testing server and, of course, the production server. My development machine, of course, doesn't have a Secure certificate, yet I need to be able to test https pages here, before getting to the testing server. (Currently, the testing server doesn't have one either, but that will be remedied shortly.) I know how to test for the existance of HTTPS, and stuff like that. So: Can one test https on a local machine? Resources, anyone? I have Googled my fingers off. Environment: PHP 5.2.5 Win 2K IIS 5 - or, if I need to - Mac OS-X 10.4 Apache? (I haven't set up the Mac as a server) - or - Linux (Ubuntu) with Apache (I am moving this direction and haven't yet learned how to run Apache) Ken Why not just generate a free self-signed certificate for use on the dev server or workstation? -Shawn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Testing HTTPS without certificate
just use a self-signed cert. there should be a lot of examples out there for that. On 4/23/08, Ken Kixmoeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi - - - - -- I have a typical setup -- my development machine, a testing server and, of course, the production server. My development machine, of course, doesn't have a Secure certificate, yet I need to be able to test https pages here, before getting to the testing server. (Currently, the testing server doesn't have one either, but that will be remedied shortly.) I know how to test for the existance of HTTPS, and stuff like that. So: Can one test https on a local machine? Resources, anyone? I have Googled my fingers off. Environment: PHP 5.2.5 Win 2K IIS 5 - or, if I need to - Mac OS-X 10.4 Apache? (I haven't set up the Mac as a server) - or - Linux (Ubuntu) with Apache (I am moving this direction and haven't yet learned how to run Apache) Ken -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Testing HTTPS without certificate
On Apr 23, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Ken Kixmoeller wrote: I know how to test for the existance of HTTPS, and stuff like that. So: Can one test https on a local machine? Resources, anyone? I have Googled my fingers off. Why not just generate a free self-signed certificate for use on the dev server or workstation? Thanks, Shawn Mike -- I'll research that. Many thanks... Ken -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 16:50 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:05 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Tony Marston wrote: Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers? [/snip] It is not available for download So your claims cannot be substantiated by anyone in this group. but it has been reviewed by peers on several project teams who have used it. It was developed specifically for a company who owns the work product. I have not re-created for general use by mere mortals but I will soon. Let me know when as I could do with a good laugh. Well, if you would take the time to individually download 1,000 classes and piece them together you may find a very feature rich framework: http://www.phpclasses.org. Or maybe meta storage http://www.meta-language.net/metastorage.html. Or you may find you've got 999 classes of code you'll never use :) That would be one hell of an undertaking to piece them together. I'm going to guess you'll need namespaces too since I bet some of them step on each other's toes. Cheers, Rob. Obviously not a very good one, but that was in the spirit of a joke. ;-) I took it that way :) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 16:50 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:05 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Tony Marston wrote: Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers? [/snip] It is not available for download So your claims cannot be substantiated by anyone in this group. but it has been reviewed by peers on several project teams who have used it. It was developed specifically for a company who owns the work product. I have not re-created for general use by mere mortals but I will soon. Let me know when as I could do with a good laugh. Well, if you would take the time to individually download 1,000 classes and piece them together you may find a very feature rich framework: http://www.phpclasses.org. Or maybe meta storage http://www.meta-language.net/metastorage.html. Or you may find you've got 999 classes of code you'll never use :) That would be one hell of an undertaking to piece them together. I'm going to guess you'll need namespaces too since I bet some of them step on each other's toes. Cheers, Rob. Obviously not a very good one, but that was in the spirit of a joke. ;-) I took it that way :) Cheers, Rob. Then say haha, not a long dissection of how sorry and shitty my post was :-) -Shawn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Testing HTTPS without certificate
Ken Kixmoeller.com wrote: On Apr 23, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Ken Kixmoeller wrote: I know how to test for the existance of HTTPS, and stuff like that. So: Can one test https on a local machine? Resources, anyone? I have Googled my fingers off. Why not just generate a free self-signed certificate for use on the dev server or workstation? Thanks, Shawn Mike -- I'll research that. Many thanks... Ken May be more involved with IIS 5 (most likely download openssl and go thru some gyrations), but IIS 6 and greater you can use the IIS resource kit. Apache on Windows probably requires the same openssl incantations plus more, but anything on linux should be fairly easy with just 1 or several commands. No clue on OSX, but will probably be same as linux but you'll probably not have the needed libs etc installed so you'll need to install some openssl stuff, etc... -Shawn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 20:32 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 16:50 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:05 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Tony Marston wrote: Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers? [/snip] It is not available for download So your claims cannot be substantiated by anyone in this group. but it has been reviewed by peers on several project teams who have used it. It was developed specifically for a company who owns the work product. I have not re-created for general use by mere mortals but I will soon. Let me know when as I could do with a good laugh. Well, if you would take the time to individually download 1,000 classes and piece them together you may find a very feature rich framework: http://www.phpclasses.org. Or maybe meta storage http://www.meta-language.net/metastorage.html. Or you may find you've got 999 classes of code you'll never use :) That would be one hell of an undertaking to piece them together. I'm going to guess you'll need namespaces too since I bet some of them step on each other's toes. Cheers, Rob. Obviously not a very good one, but that was in the spirit of a joke. ;-) I took it that way :) Cheers, Rob. Then say haha, not a long dissection of how sorry and shitty my post was :-) Hah hah! :B Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Newbie select statement questions 'WHERE'
NEWBIE! I have some GET data coming from a previous search form. How do I add the WHERE part ? orig: $query_get1 = SELECT p_First, p_id, p_Last, p_Lvl, p_Sel FROM contacts; --W / WHERE...??? $query_get1 = SELECT p_First, p_id, p_Last, p_Lvl, p_Sel FROM contacts WHERE p_First like $_GET['p_First'] or p_Last like $_GET['p_Last']; I tried various things that make errors: where p_First like '%$_GET['p_First ']%'; where p_First like .$_GET['p_First '].; Etc... How can I make this work? -- Thanks - RevDave Cool @ hosting4days . com [db-lists] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Newbie select statement questions 'WHERE'
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 19:07 -0700, revDAVE wrote: NEWBIE! I have some GET data coming from a previous search form. How do I add the WHERE part ? orig: $query_get1 = SELECT p_First, p_id, p_Last, p_Lvl, p_Sel FROM contacts; --W / WHERE...??? $query_get1 = SELECT p_First, p_id, p_Last, p_Lvl, p_Sel FROM contacts WHERE p_First like $_GET['p_First'] or p_Last like $_GET['p_Last']; I tried various things that make errors: where p_First like '%$_GET['p_First ']%'; where p_First like .$_GET['p_First '].; Etc... How can I make this work? ?php $escape = 'mysql_real_escape_string'; $query_get1 = SELECT .p_First, .p_id, .p_Last, .p_Lvl, .p_Sel .FROM .contacts .WHERE .p_First LIKE '.$escape( $_GET['p_First'] ).' .OR .p_Last LIKE '.$escape( $_GET['p_Last'] ).' ; ? But really... you're not doing any partial matching so don't bother with 'LIKE'. Just do the following: ?php $query_get1 = SELECT .p_First, .p_id, .p_Last, .p_Lvl, .p_Sel .FROM .contacts .WHERE .p_First = '.$escape( $_GET['p_First'] ).' .OR .p_Last = '.$escape( $_GET['p_Last'] ).' ; ? Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] the most amazing php code i have ever seen so far
Yes: mine. kind enough to let me see your code .. =)
Re: [PHP] the most amazing php code i have ever seen so far
Some day I'll package up some stuff and release it. Sadly I have nothing worthwhile out in public right now. On 4/23/08, paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes: mine. kind enough to let me see your code .. =) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] the most amazing php code i have ever seen so far
Some day I'll pac Sadly I have nothing worthwhile out in public right now. everything is relative in this small world. honestly, just like you, i also tend to think my code is good (of course because i wrote it).. personal opinion is different than what the public might say. some day, when you confident enough to release you code. i hope i will be there to see.. =)
Re: [PHP] the most amazing php code i have ever seen so far
i'm confident, there just isn't much use to the barrage of snippets and customized stuff. i am in the middle of some useful, generic code, we're using it where i work, but it isn't in any sort of distributable fashion at the moment. it almost mirrors the idea of the zend framework, but in a procedural fashion. On 4/23/08, paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some day I'll pac Sadly I have nothing worthwhile out in public right now. everything is relative in this small world. honestly, just like you, i also tend to think my code is good (of course because i wrote it).. personal opinion is different than what the public might say. some day, when you confident enough to release you code. i hope i will be there to see.. =) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
