php-general Digest 15 Sep 2011 11:54:26 -0000 Issue 7479
php-general Digest 15 Sep 2011 11:54:26 - Issue 7479 Topics (messages 314858 through 314867): Re: Querying a database for 50 users' information: 50 queries or a WHERE array? 314858 by: Dotan Cohen 314859 by: Alex Nikitin Re: What would you like to see in most in a text editor? 314860 by: Jonesy Dereferencing an array. 314861 by: Richard Quadling 314862 by: Alex Nikitin Re: Repetitive answers . . . 314863 by: Joshua Stoutenburg 314865 by: Nathan Nobbe Re: Sort problem 314864 by: yeer tai 314867 by: Marc Guay innerHTML triple quotes issue 314866 by: Grega Leskovšek Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-subscr...@lists.php.net To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-unsubscr...@lists.php.net To post to the list, e-mail: php-gene...@lists.php.net -- ---BeginMessage--- On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 21:01, Alex Nikitin niks...@gmail.com wrote: You can use a limit with a nested select, you just can't use it in some cases, like inside an IN statement, but something like this should work: SELECT id, data, etc FROM table JOIN (SELECT special_id as id FROM special_table ORDER BY special_id LIMIT 0, 1000) AS table2 USING (id) Note: syntax may not be valid, but should be fairly straight forward to fix, have no time to play with it though... Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- rant from=tired of constantly having to explain it, developer MySQL real escape string doesn't work, it's a bad solution to the problem that has been with the internets since the very beginning, and if people program like they are taught to by books, doesn't look like it's going away any time soon. The problem of course is that various programming languages don't know how to talk to other languages, and we as devs see no better way to do this then concatenate strings. Basically this is the core reason why XSS and SQL injection is rampant on the interwebs. Escaping only seems like it's a good idea to you, but if you analyze what it does and compare it to today's technology, you quickly realize how wrong of a concept it actually is. Escaping looks for certain characters, and if found escapes them in some form. The problem here is that rather then say defining all safe characters, it defines what the developers believe to be bad characters, and the affect that you get is not dissimilar to creating a firewall rule set where the bottom rule is accept all, as long as my character doesn't match what they thought was a bad character, it is allowed. This was fine in the days of ASCII, but the tubes are hardly ASCII anymore, with Unicode, UTF-16, i have 1,112,064 code points, they are not even called characters anymore, because they really aren't. And if you are familiar with best-fit mapping, you would know that there are now dozens of characters that can represent any single symbol in ASCII, meaning that using the above type of blocking mechanisms is silly and technically insecure. Another problem with it is the fact that security-wise this again is a bad solution from another perspective. A programmer comes in, and starts debugging code, the first thing they always seem to do is to turn off the security and comment out the escape line, and you know what happens, the bug gets found and fixed completely else-where, but the security never gets re-enabled. This is called failing open, and it again goes with the concept above where the escape in itself fails open as well. So if you look into the problem at the core, what you have are two types of code, code that you know is good, and crap data that you have to somehow make safe. So you know how you do it in the same language? Right, you assign that data to a storage container called a variable, and the interpreter knows that this data here, i execute, and that data there i use as data and don't execute. Well what happens when you add another language into the mix? Well language a passes known good code that it string concatenates to bad code, and what you get as a result is the second language parser thinking hey, all of this stuff is good code, let me execute it!... This is why a stringent delimiter between known good and not good data needs to be portrayed to the second language. How do we do it with SQL? There are a few ways, one of the more common ones is to use a prepared statement, this clearly separates the code from the data for the SQL interpreter on the other side. This works really well, with one HUGE down-side, it can be a REAL pain in the butt to use, the more complex your query gets, the more pain in the butt it is to use prepared statements. Another way, and this works for mostly any language is to use an in-common function that jumbles the known-bad data on one end, and
php-general Digest 16 Sep 2011 00:46:47 -0000 Issue 7480
php-general Digest 16 Sep 2011 00:46:47 - Issue 7480 Topics (messages 314868 through 314884): Re: Sort problem 314868 by: yeer tai lost return value during a static call 314869 by: chamila gayan 314872 by: Robert Williams 314873 by: Richard Quadling Re: Stop PHP execution on client connection closed 314870 by: Marco Lanzotti Re: innerHTML triple quotes issue 314871 by: Jen Rasmussen 314874 by: Andrew Ballard XML enabled but not working 314875 by: Matthew Pounsett 314881 by: tamouse mailing lists Bug? 314876 by: Igor Escobar 314877 by: Daniel Brown 314878 by: Igor Escobar 314879 by: Shawn McKenzie 314880 by: Igor Escobar 314882 by: tamouse mailing lists 314883 by: Tim Streater Re: Repetitive answers . . . 314884 by: Jason Pruim Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-subscr...@lists.php.net To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-unsubscr...@lists.php.net To post to the list, e-mail: php-gene...@lists.php.net -- ---BeginMessage--- Yeah well, it is indeed sometimes, for someone a bit sleepy yet rather responsible hehe. Btw, m new here, need to get my head around soon i guess. Cheers. From: marc.g...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 07:54:00 -0400 CC: php-gene...@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Sort problem use natsort. For the repetitive answers specialists: Is it possible that 15 hours later someone is still only seeing the original question? Marc -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- hi All, I'm seeing a weired behavior in following code http://pastebin.com/B5q8i1RY when it goes through 2 static methods, at some point it stops returning value to the calling method. (please see comments in-line). may be I'm doing this in a wrong way so your suggestions are welcome. And I really appreciate if someone can explain how 'return' behaves with static methods specially when they are called recursively. thanks a bunch chamila ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- On Sep 15, 2011, at 6:03, chamila gayan cgcham...@gmail.com wrote: when it goes through 2 static methods, at some point it stops returning value to the calling method. (please see comments in-line). The getArray() method and the 'else' portion of the getChild() method both lack a return statement, so they're basically just tossing out whatever value they come up with. -- Bob Williams Notice: This communication, including attachments, may contain information that is confidential. It constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If the reader or recipient of this communication is not the intended recipient, an employee or agent of the intended recipient who is responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, or if you believe that you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including attachments without reading or saving them in any manner. The unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail or telephone and delete the e-mail and the attachments (if any). ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- On 15 September 2011 14:01, chamila gayan cgcham...@gmail.com wrote: hi All, I'm seeing a weired behavior in following code http://pastebin.com/B5q8i1RY when it goes through 2 static methods, at some point it stops returning value to the calling method. (please see comments in-line). may be I'm doing this in a wrong way so your suggestions are welcome. And I really appreciate if someone can explain how 'return' behaves with static methods specially when they are called recursively. thanks a bunch chamila New pastie http://pastebin.com/AnZ1r7yR Output is ... Z:\ppp.php 108parentclass::getChild 29parentclass::getChild 40parentclass::getArray 22parentclass::getChild 29parentclass::getChild 32parentclass::childload 6parentclass::childload 9childA::__construct 54childA::setA 67childA::setA 69childA::__construct 56parentclass::getChild 34childA Object( [a:childA:private] = 1)parentclass::getArray 24parentclass::getChild 42parentclass::getChild 44Z:\ppp.php 110Z:\ppp.php 112 Using PHP 5.3.9-dev on Win32. -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend : PHPDoc @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY : bit.ly/lFnVea ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Il 14/09/2011 19:34, Alex Nikitin ha scritto: Perhaps if I, or we can understand your application
[PHP] Re: Sort problem
use natsort.
Re: [PHP] Re: Repetitive answers . . .
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Joshua Stoutenburg jehoshu...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Govinda govinda.webdnat...@gmail.com wrote: As for duplicate answers..., [snip] Also newbies may tend to like the multiples answers.. for the different perspectives, as Dan said, but also when they are exact dupe answers - because then the newbie knows the answer is definitive.. and then stops asking the list.. and starts doing what work is called for. -Govinda -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php That's a good point. The absence of objection to a provided answer doesn't necessarily make it definitive since it could just be the masses passed over the conversation. Therefore, yes, duplicate answers are a good thing. Thanks everybody for your patience in helping this mailing list newcomer understand how things work. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php wait, it sounds like we could use another answer .., yes ppl like to answer things many times here, often with almost identical suggestions, and many spins on how to approach the problem, including alternative perspectives on life..; the ebb--flow of php-general ;) -nathan
Re: [PHP] Re: Sort problem
use natsort. For the repetitive answers specialists: Is it possible that 15 hours later someone is still only seeing the original question? Marc -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: Sort problem
Yeah well, it is indeed sometimes, for someone a bit sleepy yet rather responsible hehe. Btw, m new here, need to get my head around soon i guess. Cheers. From: marc.g...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 07:54:00 -0400 CC: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Sort problem use natsort. For the repetitive answers specialists: Is it possible that 15 hours later someone is still only seeing the original question? Marc -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] lost return value during a static call
hi All, I'm seeing a weired behavior in following code http://pastebin.com/B5q8i1RY when it goes through 2 static methods, at some point it stops returning value to the calling method. (please see comments in-line). may be I'm doing this in a wrong way so your suggestions are welcome. And I really appreciate if someone can explain how 'return' behaves with static methods specially when they are called recursively. thanks a bunch chamila
Re: [PHP] Stop PHP execution on client connection closed
Il 14/09/2011 19:34, Alex Nikitin ha scritto: Perhaps if I, or we can understand your application a little better, we could suggest better solutions, just remember that you are not the first person to have to solve these similar issues. I can help you if you want, glimpse over your database design and queries for a fresh look, i have fairly extensive php (and many other languages) programming experience, as well as database design and administration, system development and administration, optimization, security, caching (many other things, that don't directly pertain to this) though we should probably keep it off the list. Table and queries are very simple. Table is like this: CREATE TABLE `TABLE1` ( `ID` int unsigned NOT NULL, `Service` char(2) NOT NULL, `Lang` char(2) NOT NULL, `Text1` varchar(100) DEFAULT NULL, `Char1` char(1) NOT NULL, `Date1` date NOT NULL, `Num1` int unsigned NOT NULL, `Num2` smallint unsigned NOT NULL, `Num3` smallint unsigned NOT NULL, `Num4` tinyint unsigned NOT NULL, `Num5` int unsigned NOT NULL, `Num6` tinyint NOT NULL, `Num7` int unsigned NOT NULL, PRIMARY KEY (`ID`,`Service`,`Lang`), KEY `index_1` (`Char1`), KEY `index_2` (`Date1`), KEY `index_3` (`Num1`), KEY `index_4` (`Num2`), KEY `index_5` (`Num3`), KEY `index_6` (`Num4`), KEY `index_7` (`Num5`), KEY `index_8` (`Num6`), KEY `index_9` (`Num7`), KEY `index_10` (`Text1`) ) ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8; And this is an example query: SELECT COUNT(*) FROM TABLE1 WHERE Char1='A' AND Num2=10 The WHERE clause can contain any indexed column. Bye, Marco -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] innerHTML triple quotes issue
Grega, Do you HAVE TO use PHP to echo the output or can you just write it in HTML? It seems much simpler and if so... below will work. The code is not indented properly but I did this so you can see what's going on. HTML VERSION h3My Heavenly profession is being/h3 span class=see onmouseover=this.innerHTML='img src=\'http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/PF_New/102008/3070943.jpg\' /' onmouseout=this.innerHTML='an angel' an angel/span Hope that helps, cheers! Jen -Original Message- From: Grega Leskovšek [mailto:legr...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:01 AM To: php-general Subject: [PHP] innerHTML triple quotes issue h3My Heavenly profession is being span class=see onmouseover='?php echo this.innerHTML=' img src=\http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/PF_New/102008/3070943.jpg\; alt =\close to my heavenly face\ /';?' onmouseout=this.innerHTML='an angel'an angel/span, I first tried this but got a mistake and then I tried to use php to settle this look above, but got parsing mistake. although not fully liberated I came to work in this world for span class=see onmouseover=this.innerHTML='img src=\http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTaxIC0HvMMWTlZ2ozXMcwTsqRcStUXRWItISeVyDrVkzVtv2s-AVmn6v3x\; alt =\Lord Krishna in His garden of flowers, that's a spiritual world\ /' onmouseout=this.innerHTML='Lord Krishna\'s Realisation.'Lord Krishna's Realisation./span/h3 Could YOu please look a t my code and exlpain me what to do if I need to use triple quotoes - we only have and ' in onmouseover 1, thisINNERHTML 2 and in src 3 Please help me! ♥♥♥ When the sun rises I receive and when it sets I forgive! ♥♥♥ ˜♥ - http://moj.skavt.net/gleskovs/ - ♥ Always, Grega Leskovšek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] lost return value during a static call
On Sep 15, 2011, at 6:03, chamila gayan cgcham...@gmail.com wrote: when it goes through 2 static methods, at some point it stops returning value to the calling method. (please see comments in-line). The getArray() method and the 'else' portion of the getChild() method both lack a return statement, so they're basically just tossing out whatever value they come up with. -- Bob Williams Notice: This communication, including attachments, may contain information that is confidential. It constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If the reader or recipient of this communication is not the intended recipient, an employee or agent of the intended recipient who is responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, or if you believe that you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including attachments without reading or saving them in any manner. The unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail or telephone and delete the e-mail and the attachments (if any). -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] lost return value during a static call
On 15 September 2011 14:01, chamila gayan cgcham...@gmail.com wrote: hi All, I'm seeing a weired behavior in following code http://pastebin.com/B5q8i1RY when it goes through 2 static methods, at some point it stops returning value to the calling method. (please see comments in-line). may be I'm doing this in a wrong way so your suggestions are welcome. And I really appreciate if someone can explain how 'return' behaves with static methods specially when they are called recursively. thanks a bunch chamila New pastie http://pastebin.com/AnZ1r7yR Output is ... Z:\ppp.php 108parentclass::getChild 29parentclass::getChild 40parentclass::getArray 22parentclass::getChild 29parentclass::getChild 32parentclass::childload 6parentclass::childload 9childA::__construct 54childA::setA 67childA::setA 69childA::__construct 56parentclass::getChild 34childA Object( [a:childA:private] = 1)parentclass::getArray 24parentclass::getChild 42parentclass::getChild 44Z:\ppp.php 110Z:\ppp.php 112 Using PHP 5.3.9-dev on Win32. -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend : PHPDoc @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY : bit.ly/lFnVea -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] innerHTML triple quotes issue
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:01 AM, Grega Leskovšek legr...@gmail.com wrote: h3My Heavenly profession is being span class=see onmouseover='?php echo this.innerHTML=' img src=\http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/PF_New/102008/3070943.jpg\; alt =\close to my heavenly face\ /';?' onmouseout=this.innerHTML='an angel'an angel/span, I first tried this but got a mistake and then I tried to use php to settle this look above, but got parsing mistake. It's easy to forget that, although you are embedding JavaScript in the onmouseover and onmouseout attributes of the element, the content of those attributes is still technically HTML, so the single and double quotes as well as the tag angle brackets inside the attribute should probably be the HTML entities (quot; apos; lt; and gt;) instead of the literal characters. This avoids the issue with nesting and escaping quotes across three languages (PHP - HTML - Javascript). Of course, when testing this, my first attempt worked in Firefox, Opera, Safari and Chrome but failed in IE (version 8). (Go figure) span class=see onmouseover=this.innerHTML=apos;lt;brgt;lt;img src=quot;http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/PF_New/102008/3070943.jpgquot; /apos; onmouseout=this.innerHTML=apos;an angelapos; an angel/span So then I tried a mixed approach and it seems to work in all of them: span class=see onmouseover=this.innerHTML='lt;brgt;lt;img src=quot;http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/PF_New/102008/3070943.jpgquot; /' onmouseout=this.innerHTML='an angel' an angel/span YMMV Andrew -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] XML enabled but not working
I seems to behaving issues with php5 on one particular server, and I haven't
been able to find the issue. Basically, php says XML is enabled, but xml
functions are missing.
php -i | grep XML support
libXML support = active
echo ? print xml_parser_create(''); ? | php
Fatal error: Call to undefined function xml_parser_create() in - on line 1
The machine in question is FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE running the most recent ports of
php5 and expat.
php -v
PHP 5.3.8 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Sep 15 2011 13:58:49)
Copyright (c) 1997-2011 The PHP Group
Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2011 Zend Technologies
sudo portversion -v expat
expat-2.0.1_2 = up-to-date with port
What's baffling is that this is a basically identical configuration to another
server where php is behaving just fine. I haven't been able to find the
variation yet.
Anyone have any thoughts on what to look at?
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[PHP] Bug?
Anyone can explain this? https://gist.github.com/1220404 Part of the code are in portuguese so... iguais = equal diferentes = different Regards, Igor Escobar *Software Engineer * + http://blog.igorescobar.com + http://www.igorescobar.com + @igorescobar http://www.twitter.com/igorescobar
Re: [PHP] Bug?
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 17:07, Igor Escobar titiolin...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone can explain this? https://gist.github.com/1220404 Part of the code are in portuguese so... iguais = equal diferentes = different About this part are you confused? -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Bug?
I'm confused about the output of the code... very disturbed. But @*augustohphttps://gist.github.com/augustohp * already respond the question on the gist thread (in portuguese) and explained why those results. Regards, Igor Escobar *Software Engineer * + http://blog.igorescobar.com + http://www.igorescobar.com + @igorescobar http://www.twitter.com/igorescobar On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 17:07, Igor Escobar titiolin...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone can explain this? https://gist.github.com/1220404 Part of the code are in portuguese so... iguais = equal diferentes = different About this part are you confused? -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/
[PHP] Re: Bug?
On 09/15/2011 04:07 PM, Igor Escobar wrote: Anyone can explain this? https://gist.github.com/1220404 Part of the code are in portuguese so... iguais = equal diferentes = different Regards, Igor Escobar *Software Engineer * + http://blog.igorescobar.com + http://www.igorescobar.com + @igorescobar http://www.twitter.com/igorescobar 1. Obviously because of the issues with floating point precision these are stored as the same float, a la your next example. 2. Using bc math for binary calculations on string representations of a number overcomes the problems in 1. 3. This one is peculiar, but it seems that since they are numeric strings that they are being juggled to float for the comparison since using == there is no type checking. Using === yields a different result, presumably because forcing a type check compares them as strings. Use strcmp() to overcome this. 4. Do I need to explain this one? -- Thanks! -Shawn http://www.spidean.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Bug?
Thank you guys. Regards, Igor Escobar *Software Engineer * + http://blog.igorescobar.com + http://www.igorescobar.com + @igorescobar http://www.twitter.com/igorescobar On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.netwrote: On 09/15/2011 04:07 PM, Igor Escobar wrote: Anyone can explain this? https://gist.github.com/1220404 Part of the code are in portuguese so... iguais = equal diferentes = different Regards, Igor Escobar *Software Engineer * + http://blog.igorescobar.com + http://www.igorescobar.com + @igorescobar http://www.twitter.com/igorescobar 1. Obviously because of the issues with floating point precision these are stored as the same float, a la your next example. 2. Using bc math for binary calculations on string representations of a number overcomes the problems in 1. 3. This one is peculiar, but it seems that since they are numeric strings that they are being juggled to float for the comparison since using == there is no type checking. Using === yields a different result, presumably because forcing a type check compares them as strings. Use strcmp() to overcome this. 4. Do I need to explain this one? -- Thanks! -Shawn http://www.spidean.com
Re: [PHP] XML enabled but not working
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Matthew Pounsett m...@conundrum.com wrote:
echo ? print xml_parser_create(''); ? | php
Not anything to do with the problem, but you can just write:
php -r print xml_parser_create('');
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Fwd: [PHP] Bug?
Hit reply instead of reply-all /o\ -- Forwarded message -- From: tamouse mailing lists tamouse.li...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] Bug? To: Igor Escobar titiolin...@gmail.com On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Igor Escobar titiolin...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone can explain this? https://gist.github.com/1220404 For the floats, http://us2.php.net/operators.comparison makes it pretty clear (and this has been a well-known thing about floats as far back as Uni for me, in 1979). The string thing is noted in PHP as far back as 2004: http://us2.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php#41986 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: Fwd: [PHP] Bug?
On 15 Sep 2011 at 22:43, tamouse mailing lists tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: For the floats, http://us2.php.net/operators.comparison makes it pretty clear (and this has been a well-known thing about floats as far back as Uni for me, in 1979). The fact that floating point hardware has limited precision has been known ever since the first such hardware in the mid-1950's, in fact. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Repetitive answers . . .
Jason Pruim li...@pruimphotography.com On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:22 AM, Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Joshua Stoutenburg jehoshu...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Govinda govinda.webdnat...@gmail.com wrote: As for duplicate answers..., [snip] Also newbies may tend to like the multiples answers.. for the different perspectives, as Dan said, but also when they are exact dupe answers - because then the newbie knows the answer is definitive.. and then stops asking the list.. and starts doing what work is called for. -Govinda -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php That's a good point. The absence of objection to a provided answer doesn't necessarily make it definitive since it could just be the masses passed over the conversation. Therefore, yes, duplicate answers are a good thing. Thanks everybody for your patience in helping this mailing list newcomer understand how things work. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php wait, it sounds like we could use another answer .., yes ppl like to answer things many times here, often with almost identical suggestions, and many spins on how to approach the problem, including alternative perspectives on life..; the ebb--flow of php-general ;) I've always thought that getting a couple fairly similar answers to the same question helped to validate the answer for someone who is in the early process of learning ;) -nathan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Repetitive answers . . .
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Jason Pruim
I've always thought that getting a couple fairly similar answers to the same
question helped to validate the answer for someone who is in the early
process of learning ;)
-nathan
Yeah, you know, I think you are right! I'd like to answer this
question the same way, even though half a dozen have already answered
it the same way.
But let me put a spin on it:
?php
$information = EOF
I got a great idea, why don't we write hundreds of books and websites
with all of our repetitive answers and call it the information age.
Who cares if all the priceless pearls of rare knowledge are buried,
lost, and irretrievable. We'll have the information age!
Then, after we've ushered in the information age, we'll invent a
search bot to crawl all over the heap of information and fling it
around whenever somebody asks for it!
Then, we'll all sit around on a mailing list, and when somebody comes
in seeking refuge from the flinging search bot, looking for some rare
piece of information, we'll fling all the common stuff at him instead!
It will be hilarious!
EOF;
class baboon
{
$ammo = '';
public __construct($ammo)
{
$this-ammo = $ammo;
}
public function flingAt($target)
{
$target-flingAlert($this-ammo);
}
}
$me = new baboon($information);
$you = new baboon();
$me-flingAt($you);
// I hope everyone finds this more humorous than offensive.
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[PHP] PHP 5.4.0beta1 released
Hello! Stas has packed PHP 5.4.0beta1 which you can find here: http://downloads.php.net/stas/ The Windows team provides windows binaries which you find here: http://windows.php.net/qa/ Please test it carefully, and report any bugs in the bug system, but only if you have a short reproducable test case. The next beta will be released on Oct 13. regards, Stas and David -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] PHP 5.4.0beta1 released
Hello! Stas has packed PHP 5.4.0beta1 which you can find here: http://downloads.php.net/stas/ The Windows team provides windows binaries which you find here: http://windows.php.net/qa/ Please test it carefully, and report any bugs in the bug system, but only if you have a short reproducable test case. The next beta will be released on Oct 13. regards, Stas and David -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] PHP 5.4.0beta1 released
Hello! Stas has packed PHP 5.4.0beta1 which you can find here: http://downloads.php.net/stas/ The Windows team provides windows binaries which you find here: http://windows.php.net/qa/ Please test it carefully, and report any bugs in the bug system, but only if you have a short reproducable test case. The next beta will be released on Oct 13. regards, Stas and David -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] PHP 5.4.0beta1 released
Hello! Stas has packed PHP 5.4.0beta1 which you can find here: http://downloads.php.net/stas/ The Windows team provides windows binaries which you find here: http://windows.php.net/qa/ Please test it carefully, and report any bugs in the bug system, but only if you have a short reproducable test case. The next beta will be released on Oct 13. regards, Stas and David -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP 5.4.0beta1 released
在 2011-09-16五的 03:50 +0200，d...@php.net写道： Hello! Stas has packed PHP 5.4.0beta1 which you can find here: http://downloads.php.net/stas/ The Windows team provides windows binaries which you find here: http://windows.php.net/qa/ Please test it carefully, and report any bugs in the bug system, but only if you have a short reproducable test case. The next beta will be released on Oct 13. regards, Stas and David WHY post it four times?? -- Best regards, Sharl.Jimh.Tsin (From China **Obviously Taiwan INCLUDED**) Using Gmail? Please read this important notice: http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/jstrap/gmail?10073. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP 5.4.0beta1 released
Please test it carefully, and report any bugs in the bug system, but only if you have a short reproducable test case. The next beta will be released on Oct 13. regards, Stas and David WHY post it four times?? a glitch with my mail server. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
