php-general Digest 23 Jul 2012 18:31:42 -0000 Issue 7896
php-general Digest 23 Jul 2012 18:31:42 - Issue 7896 Topics (messages 318551 through 318552): Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal 318551 by: With No Name 318552 by: Larry Garfield Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-subscr...@lists.php.net To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-unsubscr...@lists.php.net To post to the list, e-mail: php-gene...@lists.php.net -- ---BeginMessage--- On Fri, July 20, 2012 10:04, Lester Caine wrote: In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. It depends, because in Europe (I live in Germany), VAT is only added if the value + shiping exceeds 25 Euro and customs are only added, if the value exceeds 150 Euro It does NOT discriminate American sellers, because German sellers have to bill the VAT too Also I buy regulary in the USA and even with heavy USPS costs plus Import-VAT I am mostly lesser expensive as if I buy in Germany... Greetings ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Sales tax isn't the point with SOPA/PIPA. Thinks like the government being able to force any site off the Internet at the ISP / DNS level on the say-so of a private corporation are the point. And no, that's not a defensible or acceptable position. Breaking the Internet to prop up industries that don't like being disrupted is not a proper use of governmental power. I'm quite happy to see PHP.net joining in with other defense-of-freedom voices. --Larry Garfield On 7/21/12 1:56 PM, With No Name wrote: On Fri, July 20, 2012 10:04, Lester Caine wrote: In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. It depends, because in Europe (I live in Germany), VAT is only added if the value + shiping exceeds 25 Euro and customs are only added, if the value exceeds 150 Euro It does NOT discriminate American sellers, because German sellers have to bill the VAT too Also I buy regulary in the USA and even with heavy USPS costs plus Import-VAT I am mostly lesser expensive as if I buy in Germany... Greetings ---End Message---
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Sales tax isn't the point with SOPA/PIPA. Thinks like the government being able to force any site off the Internet at the ISP / DNS level on the say-so of a private corporation are the point. And no, that's not a defensible or acceptable position. Breaking the Internet to prop up industries that don't like being disrupted is not a proper use of governmental power. I'm quite happy to see PHP.net joining in with other defense-of-freedom voices. --Larry Garfield On 7/21/12 1:56 PM, With No Name wrote: On Fri, July 20, 2012 10:04, Lester Caine wrote: In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. It depends, because in Europe (I live in Germany), VAT is only added if the value + shiping exceeds 25 Euro and customs are only added, if the value exceeds 150 Euro It does NOT discriminate American sellers, because German sellers have to bill the VAT too Also I buy regulary in the USA and even with heavy USPS costs plus Import-VAT I am mostly lesser expensive as if I buy in Germany... Greetings -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 13:31 -0500, Larry Garfield wrote: Sales tax isn't the point with SOPA/PIPA. Thinks like the government being able to force any site off the Internet at the ISP / DNS level on the say-so of a private corporation are the point. And no, that's not a defensible or acceptable position. Breaking the Internet to prop up industries that don't like being disrupted is not a proper use of governmental power. I'm quite happy to see PHP.net joining in with other defense-of-freedom voices. --Larry Garfield On 7/21/12 1:56 PM, With No Name wrote: On Fri, July 20, 2012 10:04, Lester Caine wrote: In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. It depends, because in Europe (I live in Germany), VAT is only added if the value + shiping exceeds 25 Euro and customs are only added, if the value exceeds 150 Euro It does NOT discriminate American sellers, because German sellers have to bill the VAT too Also I buy regulary in the USA and even with heavy USPS costs plus Import-VAT I am mostly lesser expensive as if I buy in Germany... Greetings From what I can gather is that it will break DNSSEC, which has been designed to establish trusted connections with DNS calls. Essentially, browsers will accept only signed responses from web servers, and SOPA (and PROTECT IP) would be redirecting DNS requests for US citizens, which is precisely the sort of thing DNSSEC is meant to prevent; silent redirection of DNS requests. I'm not normally very vocal about these sorts of things, but it will have ripple effects that can't be predicted in the very industry we all have our livelihoods in, so I'm glad there's resistance against it. -- Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
