Re: [PHP] HTML plain text in Outlook 2007
Ashley Sheridan wrote: That last reason could be why your email is failing! HTML email is the one place where it is actually better to code the old way with tables for markup, font tags, and very little (if any) CSS. If you do use any CSS, it's best left inline as well, as some email clients strip out anything within the head tags of your email. Yes, that's exactly what I took away from the conversation. HTML emails should be coded using the old way. Skip -- Skip Evans PenguinSites.com, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison WI 53703 608.250.2720 http://penguinsites.com Those of you who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand. -- Kurt Vonnegut -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HTML plain text in Outlook 2007
Hey Guys, Thanks for all the info on this. Sorry for the late reply, but I got sidetracked writing the module that will send out all these nasty emails. I do have the text going on top, and I think I said, looks perfect in Evolution and Thunderbird in both text and HTML. I also read about MS ripping out the IE renderer and going back in time basically. I thought the solution of converting a Word document into HTML with open office is interesting. I'll run that by the client and test it out. Bottom line is, HTML is just a total pain, and yes, the email the client created in HTML using the most update to date CSS and HTML! Thanks! Skip Robert Cummings wrote: Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 13:44 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote: What about signing yourself up to some newsletters to see how they do it? Looking at the ones I get from Facebook as an example, they use the boundary codes you mentioned, and I can't see anything particularly special that's been added. What order are you sending the two message parts by the way? I think the traditional way is to send the plain/text part first, so that UA's that don't understand or support multipart messages only use the first one. As you mentioned that you're seeing HTML code at the top, I'd hazard a guess that you're sending the HTML first? The problem is most likely NOT his email structure, but the fact that Microsoft in all their lock-in, make things difficult, non standard, monopolistic philosophy chose to switch out the IE HTML renderer (which was getting pretty decent with IE7 and IE8) with the Office HTML renderer... so now basic things like CSS padding of something as simple as a p tag is not possible. You now need to use margins instead. The full list of supported attributes / CSS can be found here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa338201.aspx Obviously creating HTML emails was getting too easy (like it is with Thunderbird). Of course... I guess it could be as bad as Google stripping out the stylesheets entirely when viewing HTML content which forces you to put the styles on the tags themselves. ... actually I'm not sure what's worse... at least you can use standard styles with Google's gmail. Either way... making nice looking HTML emails that work across Outlook, Thunderbird, Gmail, Yahoo, and Hotmail is a pain in the ass. Cheers, Rob. If he's getting HTML output at the top of the email, I would think that did suggest that MS Word didn't like the structure. Making HTML emails is now such a difficult job, as the email clients rendering engines tend to not get updated as often as browsers, and there doesn't seem to be any effort in bringing the rendering of the email clients together. Whenever I create these emails I try to make sure I try no to get too creative in the design, and use not only CSS styles, but properties of the HTML tags themselves. It means I end up writing the CSS essentially twice and backing it up with old deprecated HTML attributes, but it usually does the trick. Is there any effort by some standards group that email clients could benefit from? I think I skipped over some relevant information in the original post :) Still... as you've said... email HTML sucks... and MS made it worse. Cheers, Rob. -- Skip Evans PenguinSites.com, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison WI 53703 608.250.2720 http://penguinsites.com Those of you who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand. -- Kurt Vonnegut -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HTML plain text in Outlook 2007
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 19:03 -0600, Skip Evans wrote: Hey Guys, Thanks for all the info on this. Sorry for the late reply, but I got sidetracked writing the module that will send out all these nasty emails. I do have the text going on top, and I think I said, looks perfect in Evolution and Thunderbird in both text and HTML. I also read about MS ripping out the IE renderer and going back in time basically. I thought the solution of converting a Word document into HTML with open office is interesting. I'll run that by the client and test it out. Bottom line is, HTML is just a total pain, and yes, the email the client created in HTML using the most update to date CSS and HTML! Thanks! Skip Robert Cummings wrote: Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 13:44 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote: What about signing yourself up to some newsletters to see how they do it? Looking at the ones I get from Facebook as an example, they use the boundary codes you mentioned, and I can't see anything particularly special that's been added. What order are you sending the two message parts by the way? I think the traditional way is to send the plain/text part first, so that UA's that don't understand or support multipart messages only use the first one. As you mentioned that you're seeing HTML code at the top, I'd hazard a guess that you're sending the HTML first? The problem is most likely NOT his email structure, but the fact that Microsoft in all their lock-in, make things difficult, non standard, monopolistic philosophy chose to switch out the IE HTML renderer (which was getting pretty decent with IE7 and IE8) with the Office HTML renderer... so now basic things like CSS padding of something as simple as a p tag is not possible. You now need to use margins instead. The full list of supported attributes / CSS can be found here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa338201.aspx Obviously creating HTML emails was getting too easy (like it is with Thunderbird). Of course... I guess it could be as bad as Google stripping out the stylesheets entirely when viewing HTML content which forces you to put the styles on the tags themselves. ... actually I'm not sure what's worse... at least you can use standard styles with Google's gmail. Either way... making nice looking HTML emails that work across Outlook, Thunderbird, Gmail, Yahoo, and Hotmail is a pain in the ass. Cheers, Rob. If he's getting HTML output at the top of the email, I would think that did suggest that MS Word didn't like the structure. Making HTML emails is now such a difficult job, as the email clients rendering engines tend to not get updated as often as browsers, and there doesn't seem to be any effort in bringing the rendering of the email clients together. Whenever I create these emails I try to make sure I try no to get too creative in the design, and use not only CSS styles, but properties of the HTML tags themselves. It means I end up writing the CSS essentially twice and backing it up with old deprecated HTML attributes, but it usually does the trick. Is there any effort by some standards group that email clients could benefit from? I think I skipped over some relevant information in the original post :) Still... as you've said... email HTML sucks... and MS made it worse. Cheers, Rob. -- Skip Evans PenguinSites.com, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison WI 53703 608.250.2720 http://penguinsites.com Those of you who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand. -- Kurt Vonnegut That last reason could be why your email is failing! HTML email is the one place where it is actually better to code the old way with tables for markup, font tags, and very little (if any) CSS. If you do use any CSS, it's best left inline as well, as some email clients strip out anything within the head tags of your email. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] HTML plain text in Outlook 2007
Ashley Sheridan wrote: That last reason could be why your email is failing! HTML email is the one place where it is actually better to code the old way with tables for markup, font tags, and very little (if any) CSS. If you do use any CSS, it's best left inline as well, as some email clients strip out anything within the head tags of your email. Do e-mail clients handle RTF? That would seem a better way to do fancy styled e-mail to me than to use html tags in an e-mail. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HTML plain text in Outlook 2007
Michael A. Peters wrote: Ashley Sheridan wrote: That last reason could be why your email is failing! HTML email is the one place where it is actually better to code the old way with tables for markup, font tags, and very little (if any) CSS. If you do use any CSS, it's best left inline as well, as some email clients strip out anything within the head tags of your email. Do e-mail clients handle RTF? That would seem a better way to do fancy styled e-mail to me than to use html tags in an e-mail. aside em*tongue in cheek*/em I do HTML emails for the semantic tags!! /aside :B Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HTML plain text in Outlook 2007
On 4 February 2010 16:44, Skip Evans s...@bigskypenguin.com wrote: Hey all, First, let me say thanks for all the advice on Magento, and especially to Ryan who has used the beast and gave some great advice on skinning, links to some good docs and a book just for my designer. We'll be using and I'm looking forward to learning it. But anyway... I'm doing some maintenance work on a system that sends an email message using the multi-part boundaries to include both a plain text version and an HTML version of an email. I've read up on this before, but never actually done it. So implementing the code was not a big issue, and in fact it works perfectly when tested on my Ubuntu machine using Thunderbird to test the HTML and Evolution to test the plain text version. In fact, I can switch formats on both of these and all looks great. Enter Microsoft (Insert opening of Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor to send chills up my readers' spines.) On Outlook 2007 in HTML mode it renders, how can I put this... half-assedly. In text mode the whole things a bust. There is the HTML code all stuffed up at the top, boundary codes are visible, just plain awful. Googling around I see articles from 2007 when that version of Outlook came out lamenting the fact that MS pulled the IE rendering engine from it and replaced it with MS Word's renderer to plug security holes expoitable via email. Does anyone have any experience with HTML plain text multi-part messages and Outlook 2007, or any tips how I can get this working? Still Googling, but any tips would be greatly appreciated. Skip -- Skip Evans PenguinSites.com, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison WI 53703 608.250.2720 http://penguinsites.com Those of you who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand. -- Kurt Vonnegut -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I create HTML.Mime based emails in PHP with a plain text part which is basically a cop out saying that they should upgrade. The HTML part is a fax form. They print it out, add some stickers relating to work carried out and then fax it back (or email it as a TIFF or PDF if they have the skills/tech to do that). I use Outlook 2003 (work) and GMail via Chrome (personal). The form includes embedded images (essentially their logo as the forms are passed to their clients) and have a PDF attached ( a report from our systems about the email they are receiving). All fairly simple. 1 - Plain Text - (Please upgrade) 2 - Alternative HTML 3 - Embedded images 4 - Attachment For this, I use RMail from phpguru.org (previously known as html_mime_mail5) http://www.phpguru.org/static/Rmail The HTML I used contains limited CSS and is table based. I initially did it properly, or so I thought. I'd used IE7/FireFox/Safari/Opera as a test of a proper HTML page with CSS to produce a nice looking form. Scaled nicely, limited shrink, etc. Looked OK in Outlook 2003 too! But when I sent them for approval to the line manager, who uses Outlook 2007, well, let's just say he didn't understand the form at all! Even when I redid it with tables, I'd used thead, tfoot, tbody (proper HTML at least). In O2K7? It renders in order - header, footer, body. Great! So, the HTML I ended up with REALLY looks like something from when I was first learning HTML (I just worked it out as being 13 years ago!). So, yes. The code is horribly old fashioned. But it works. -- - Richard Quadling Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants! EE : http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_248814.html EE4Free : http://www.experts-exchange.com/becomeAnExpert.jsp Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498r=213474731 ZOPA : http://uk.zopa.com/member/RQuadling -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HTML plain text in Outlook 2007
Ire ently needed to do this for a client as well. I took their word doc and converted it to HTML with open office. This created a template that I just do some search and replace to fill in the criteria. This has worked very well with outlook and hotmail and gmail. Not sure if it will fit your needs, but it could be worth a try. Bastien Sent from my iPod On Feb 5, 2010, at 5:32 AM, Richard Quadling rquadl...@googlemail.com wrote: On 4 February 2010 16:44, Skip Evans s...@bigskypenguin.com wrote: Hey all, First, let me say thanks for all the advice on Magento, and especially to Ryan who has used the beast and gave some great advice on skinning, links to some good docs and a book just for my designer. We'll be using and I'm looking forward to learning it. But anyway... I'm doing some maintenance work on a system that sends an email message using the multi-part boundaries to include both a plain text version and an HTML version of an email. I've read up on this before, but never actually done it. So implementing the code was not a big issue, and in fact it works perfectly when tested on my Ubuntu machine using Thunderbird to test the HTML and Evolution to test the plain text version. In fact, I can switch formats on both of these and all looks great. Enter Microsoft (Insert opening of Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor to send chills up my readers' spines.) On Outlook 2007 in HTML mode it renders, how can I put this... half- assedly. In text mode the whole things a bust. There is the HTML code all stuffed up at the top, boundary codes are visible, just plain awful. Googling around I see articles from 2007 when that version of Outlook came out lamenting the fact that MS pulled the IE rendering engine from it and replaced it with MS Word's renderer to plug security holes expoitable via email. Does anyone have any experience with HTML plain text multi-part messages and Outlook 2007, or any tips how I can get this working? Still Googling, but any tips would be greatly appreciated. Skip -- Skip Evans PenguinSites.com, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison WI 53703 608.250.2720 http://penguinsites.com Those of you who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand. -- Kurt Vonnegut -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I create HTML.Mime based emails in PHP with a plain text part which is basically a cop out saying that they should upgrade. The HTML part is a fax form. They print it out, add some stickers relating to work carried out and then fax it back (or email it as a TIFF or PDF if they have the skills/tech to do that). I use Outlook 2003 (work) and GMail via Chrome (personal). The form includes embedded images (essentially their logo as the forms are passed to their clients) and have a PDF attached ( a report from our systems about the email they are receiving). All fairly simple. 1 - Plain Text - (Please upgrade) 2 - Alternative HTML 3 - Embedded images 4 - Attachment For this, I use RMail from phpguru.org (previously known as html_mime_mail5) http://www.phpguru.org/static/Rmail The HTML I used contains limited CSS and is table based. I initially did it properly, or so I thought. I'd used IE7/FireFox/Safari/Opera as a test of a proper HTML page with CSS to produce a nice looking form. Scaled nicely, limited shrink, etc. Looked OK in Outlook 2003 too! But when I sent them for approval to the line manager, who uses Outlook 2007, well, let's just say he didn't understand the form at all! Even when I redid it with tables, I'd used thead, tfoot, tbody (proper HTML at least). In O2K7? It renders in order - header, footer, body. Great! So, the HTML I ended up with REALLY looks like something from when I was first learning HTML (I just worked it out as being 13 years ago!). So, yes. The code is horribly old fashioned. But it works. -- - Richard Quadling Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants! EE : http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_248814.html EE4Free : http://www.experts-exchange.com/becomeAnExpert.jsp Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498r=213474731 ZOPA : http://uk.zopa.com/member/RQuadling -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HTML plain text in Outlook 2007
On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 08:03 -0500, Phpster wrote: Ire ently needed to do this for a client as well. I took their word doc and converted it to HTML with open office. This created a template that I just do some search and replace to fill in the criteria. This has worked very well with outlook and hotmail and gmail. Not sure if it will fit your needs, but it could be worth a try. Bastien Sent from my iPod On Feb 5, 2010, at 5:32 AM, Richard Quadling rquadl...@googlemail.com wrote: On 4 February 2010 16:44, Skip Evans s...@bigskypenguin.com wrote: Hey all, First, let me say thanks for all the advice on Magento, and especially to Ryan who has used the beast and gave some great advice on skinning, links to some good docs and a book just for my designer. We'll be using and I'm looking forward to learning it. But anyway... I'm doing some maintenance work on a system that sends an email message using the multi-part boundaries to include both a plain text version and an HTML version of an email. I've read up on this before, but never actually done it. So implementing the code was not a big issue, and in fact it works perfectly when tested on my Ubuntu machine using Thunderbird to test the HTML and Evolution to test the plain text version. In fact, I can switch formats on both of these and all looks great. Enter Microsoft (Insert opening of Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor to send chills up my readers' spines.) On Outlook 2007 in HTML mode it renders, how can I put this... half- assedly. In text mode the whole things a bust. There is the HTML code all stuffed up at the top, boundary codes are visible, just plain awful. Googling around I see articles from 2007 when that version of Outlook came out lamenting the fact that MS pulled the IE rendering engine from it and replaced it with MS Word's renderer to plug security holes expoitable via email. Does anyone have any experience with HTML plain text multi-part messages and Outlook 2007, or any tips how I can get this working? Still Googling, but any tips would be greatly appreciated. Skip -- Skip Evans PenguinSites.com, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison WI 53703 608.250.2720 http://penguinsites.com Those of you who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand. -- Kurt Vonnegut -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I create HTML.Mime based emails in PHP with a plain text part which is basically a cop out saying that they should upgrade. The HTML part is a fax form. They print it out, add some stickers relating to work carried out and then fax it back (or email it as a TIFF or PDF if they have the skills/tech to do that). I use Outlook 2003 (work) and GMail via Chrome (personal). The form includes embedded images (essentially their logo as the forms are passed to their clients) and have a PDF attached ( a report from our systems about the email they are receiving). All fairly simple. 1 - Plain Text - (Please upgrade) 2 - Alternative HTML 3 - Embedded images 4 - Attachment For this, I use RMail from phpguru.org (previously known as html_mime_mail5) http://www.phpguru.org/static/Rmail The HTML I used contains limited CSS and is table based. I initially did it properly, or so I thought. I'd used IE7/FireFox/Safari/Opera as a test of a proper HTML page with CSS to produce a nice looking form. Scaled nicely, limited shrink, etc. Looked OK in Outlook 2003 too! But when I sent them for approval to the line manager, who uses Outlook 2007, well, let's just say he didn't understand the form at all! Even when I redid it with tables, I'd used thead, tfoot, tbody (proper HTML at least). In O2K7? It renders in order - header, footer, body. Great! So, the HTML I ended up with REALLY looks like something from when I was first learning HTML (I just worked it out as being 13 years ago!). So, yes. The code is horribly old fashioned. But it works. -- - Richard Quadling Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants! EE : http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_248814.html EE4Free : http://www.experts-exchange.com/becomeAnExpert.jsp Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498r=213474731 ZOPA : http://uk.zopa.com/member/RQuadling -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php It's the testing part that takes the time though. You've got the email clients that are only available on Windows, the ones that are only available on Macs, those that are only around on Linux, and then those that are only accessible online. There are companies that test emails
Re: [PHP] HTML plain text in Outlook 2007
Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 13:44 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote: What about signing yourself up to some newsletters to see how they do it? Looking at the ones I get from Facebook as an example, they use the boundary codes you mentioned, and I can't see anything particularly special that's been added. What order are you sending the two message parts by the way? I think the traditional way is to send the plain/text part first, so that UA's that don't understand or support multipart messages only use the first one. As you mentioned that you're seeing HTML code at the top, I'd hazard a guess that you're sending the HTML first? The problem is most likely NOT his email structure, but the fact that Microsoft in all their lock-in, make things difficult, non standard, monopolistic philosophy chose to switch out the IE HTML renderer (which was getting pretty decent with IE7 and IE8) with the Office HTML renderer... so now basic things like CSS padding of something as simple as a p tag is not possible. You now need to use margins instead. The full list of supported attributes / CSS can be found here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa338201.aspx Obviously creating HTML emails was getting too easy (like it is with Thunderbird). Of course... I guess it could be as bad as Google stripping out the stylesheets entirely when viewing HTML content which forces you to put the styles on the tags themselves. ... actually I'm not sure what's worse... at least you can use standard styles with Google's gmail. Either way... making nice looking HTML emails that work across Outlook, Thunderbird, Gmail, Yahoo, and Hotmail is a pain in the ass. Cheers, Rob. If he's getting HTML output at the top of the email, I would think that did suggest that MS Word didn't like the structure. Making HTML emails is now such a difficult job, as the email clients rendering engines tend to not get updated as often as browsers, and there doesn't seem to be any effort in bringing the rendering of the email clients together. Whenever I create these emails I try to make sure I try no to get too creative in the design, and use not only CSS styles, but properties of the HTML tags themselves. It means I end up writing the CSS essentially twice and backing it up with old deprecated HTML attributes, but it usually does the trick. Is there any effort by some standards group that email clients could benefit from? I think I skipped over some relevant information in the original post :) Still... as you've said... email HTML sucks... and MS made it worse. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] HTML plain text in Outlook 2007
Hey all, First, let me say thanks for all the advice on Magento, and especially to Ryan who has used the beast and gave some great advice on skinning, links to some good docs and a book just for my designer. We'll be using and I'm looking forward to learning it. But anyway... I'm doing some maintenance work on a system that sends an email message using the multi-part boundaries to include both a plain text version and an HTML version of an email. I've read up on this before, but never actually done it. So implementing the code was not a big issue, and in fact it works perfectly when tested on my Ubuntu machine using Thunderbird to test the HTML and Evolution to test the plain text version. In fact, I can switch formats on both of these and all looks great. Enter Microsoft (Insert opening of Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor to send chills up my readers' spines.) On Outlook 2007 in HTML mode it renders, how can I put this... half-assedly. In text mode the whole things a bust. There is the HTML code all stuffed up at the top, boundary codes are visible, just plain awful. Googling around I see articles from 2007 when that version of Outlook came out lamenting the fact that MS pulled the IE rendering engine from it and replaced it with MS Word's renderer to plug security holes expoitable via email. Does anyone have any experience with HTML plain text multi-part messages and Outlook 2007, or any tips how I can get this working? Still Googling, but any tips would be greatly appreciated. Skip -- Skip Evans PenguinSites.com, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison WI 53703 608.250.2720 http://penguinsites.com Those of you who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand. -- Kurt Vonnegut -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HTML plain text in Outlook 2007
On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 10:44 -0600, Skip Evans wrote: Hey all, First, let me say thanks for all the advice on Magento, and especially to Ryan who has used the beast and gave some great advice on skinning, links to some good docs and a book just for my designer. We'll be using and I'm looking forward to learning it. But anyway... I'm doing some maintenance work on a system that sends an email message using the multi-part boundaries to include both a plain text version and an HTML version of an email. I've read up on this before, but never actually done it. So implementing the code was not a big issue, and in fact it works perfectly when tested on my Ubuntu machine using Thunderbird to test the HTML and Evolution to test the plain text version. In fact, I can switch formats on both of these and all looks great. Enter Microsoft (Insert opening of Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor to send chills up my readers' spines.) On Outlook 2007 in HTML mode it renders, how can I put this... half-assedly. In text mode the whole things a bust. There is the HTML code all stuffed up at the top, boundary codes are visible, just plain awful. Googling around I see articles from 2007 when that version of Outlook came out lamenting the fact that MS pulled the IE rendering engine from it and replaced it with MS Word's renderer to plug security holes expoitable via email. Does anyone have any experience with HTML plain text multi-part messages and Outlook 2007, or any tips how I can get this working? Still Googling, but any tips would be greatly appreciated. Skip -- Skip Evans PenguinSites.com, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison WI 53703 608.250.2720 http://penguinsites.com Those of you who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand. -- Kurt Vonnegut What about signing yourself up to some newsletters to see how they do it? Looking at the ones I get from Facebook as an example, they use the boundary codes you mentioned, and I can't see anything particularly special that's been added. What order are you sending the two message parts by the way? I think the traditional way is to send the plain/text part first, so that UA's that don't understand or support multipart messages only use the first one. As you mentioned that you're seeing HTML code at the top, I'd hazard a guess that you're sending the HTML first? Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] HTML plain text in Outlook 2007
Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 10:44 -0600, Skip Evans wrote: Hey all, First, let me say thanks for all the advice on Magento, and especially to Ryan who has used the beast and gave some great advice on skinning, links to some good docs and a book just for my designer. We'll be using and I'm looking forward to learning it. But anyway... I'm doing some maintenance work on a system that sends an email message using the multi-part boundaries to include both a plain text version and an HTML version of an email. I've read up on this before, but never actually done it. So implementing the code was not a big issue, and in fact it works perfectly when tested on my Ubuntu machine using Thunderbird to test the HTML and Evolution to test the plain text version. In fact, I can switch formats on both of these and all looks great. Enter Microsoft (Insert opening of Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor to send chills up my readers' spines.) On Outlook 2007 in HTML mode it renders, how can I put this... half-assedly. In text mode the whole things a bust. There is the HTML code all stuffed up at the top, boundary codes are visible, just plain awful. Googling around I see articles from 2007 when that version of Outlook came out lamenting the fact that MS pulled the IE rendering engine from it and replaced it with MS Word's renderer to plug security holes expoitable via email. Does anyone have any experience with HTML plain text multi-part messages and Outlook 2007, or any tips how I can get this working? Still Googling, but any tips would be greatly appreciated. Skip -- Skip Evans PenguinSites.com, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison WI 53703 608.250.2720 http://penguinsites.com Those of you who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand. -- Kurt Vonnegut What about signing yourself up to some newsletters to see how they do it? Looking at the ones I get from Facebook as an example, they use the boundary codes you mentioned, and I can't see anything particularly special that's been added. What order are you sending the two message parts by the way? I think the traditional way is to send the plain/text part first, so that UA's that don't understand or support multipart messages only use the first one. As you mentioned that you're seeing HTML code at the top, I'd hazard a guess that you're sending the HTML first? The problem is most likely NOT his email structure, but the fact that Microsoft in all their lock-in, make things difficult, non standard, monopolistic philosophy chose to switch out the IE HTML renderer (which was getting pretty decent with IE7 and IE8) with the Office HTML renderer... so now basic things like CSS padding of something as simple as a p tag is not possible. You now need to use margins instead. The full list of supported attributes / CSS can be found here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa338201.aspx Obviously creating HTML emails was getting too easy (like it is with Thunderbird). Of course... I guess it could be as bad as Google stripping out the stylesheets entirely when viewing HTML content which forces you to put the styles on the tags themselves. ... actually I'm not sure what's worse... at least you can use standard styles with Google's gmail. Either way... making nice looking HTML emails that work across Outlook, Thunderbird, Gmail, Yahoo, and Hotmail is a pain in the ass. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HTML plain text in Outlook 2007
On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 13:44 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote: Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 10:44 -0600, Skip Evans wrote: Hey all, First, let me say thanks for all the advice on Magento, and especially to Ryan who has used the beast and gave some great advice on skinning, links to some good docs and a book just for my designer. We'll be using and I'm looking forward to learning it. But anyway... I'm doing some maintenance work on a system that sends an email message using the multi-part boundaries to include both a plain text version and an HTML version of an email. I've read up on this before, but never actually done it. So implementing the code was not a big issue, and in fact it works perfectly when tested on my Ubuntu machine using Thunderbird to test the HTML and Evolution to test the plain text version. In fact, I can switch formats on both of these and all looks great. Enter Microsoft (Insert opening of Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor to send chills up my readers' spines.) On Outlook 2007 in HTML mode it renders, how can I put this... half-assedly. In text mode the whole things a bust. There is the HTML code all stuffed up at the top, boundary codes are visible, just plain awful. Googling around I see articles from 2007 when that version of Outlook came out lamenting the fact that MS pulled the IE rendering engine from it and replaced it with MS Word's renderer to plug security holes expoitable via email. Does anyone have any experience with HTML plain text multi-part messages and Outlook 2007, or any tips how I can get this working? Still Googling, but any tips would be greatly appreciated. Skip -- Skip Evans PenguinSites.com, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison WI 53703 608.250.2720 http://penguinsites.com Those of you who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand. -- Kurt Vonnegut What about signing yourself up to some newsletters to see how they do it? Looking at the ones I get from Facebook as an example, they use the boundary codes you mentioned, and I can't see anything particularly special that's been added. What order are you sending the two message parts by the way? I think the traditional way is to send the plain/text part first, so that UA's that don't understand or support multipart messages only use the first one. As you mentioned that you're seeing HTML code at the top, I'd hazard a guess that you're sending the HTML first? The problem is most likely NOT his email structure, but the fact that Microsoft in all their lock-in, make things difficult, non standard, monopolistic philosophy chose to switch out the IE HTML renderer (which was getting pretty decent with IE7 and IE8) with the Office HTML renderer... so now basic things like CSS padding of something as simple as a p tag is not possible. You now need to use margins instead. The full list of supported attributes / CSS can be found here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa338201.aspx Obviously creating HTML emails was getting too easy (like it is with Thunderbird). Of course... I guess it could be as bad as Google stripping out the stylesheets entirely when viewing HTML content which forces you to put the styles on the tags themselves. ... actually I'm not sure what's worse... at least you can use standard styles with Google's gmail. Either way... making nice looking HTML emails that work across Outlook, Thunderbird, Gmail, Yahoo, and Hotmail is a pain in the ass. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP If he's getting HTML output at the top of the email, I would think that did suggest that MS Word didn't like the structure. Making HTML emails is now such a difficult job, as the email clients rendering engines tend to not get updated as often as browsers, and there doesn't seem to be any effort in bringing the rendering of the email clients together. Whenever I create these emails I try to make sure I try no to get too creative in the design, and use not only CSS styles, but properties of the HTML tags themselves. It means I end up writing the CSS essentially twice and backing it up with old deprecated HTML attributes, but it usually does the trick. Is there any effort by some standards group that email clients could benefit from? Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
[PHP] HTML and text email
Hello all, I am trying to send out a multi-part email that is both text and HTML. The HTML is so I can embed links into the email. However, some of my clients have text-only email programs and all the HTML tags are visible. Is there a way that I can display HTML in the HTML enabled programs and text in the text-only email programs? This is the header that I currently use. $headers = MIME-Version: 1.0\r\n; $headers .= Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\r\n; Thanks for any help, Chris _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HTML and text email
On Wednesday 09 October 2002 04:26, Chris Cook wrote: Hello all, I am trying to send out a multi-part email that is both text and HTML. The HTML is so I can embed links into the email. However, some of my clients have text-only email programs and all the HTML tags are visible. Is there a way that I can display HTML in the HTML enabled programs and text in the text-only email programs? This is the header that I currently use. $headers = MIME-Version: 1.0\r\n; $headers .= Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\r\n; Goto www.phpclasses.org for some classes which does the job properly. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.com.hk Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * /* The man who runs may fight again. -- Menander */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] HTML 2 TEXT
Does anybody know of a class or a solution to converting an HTML page to a text only page via PHP, but leaving in href links in and a certain degree of formatting. Cheers, Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HTML 2 TEXT
Try to remove all strings starting with and ending with . Be sure not to remove A href ... /A's. Also you need to format line endings via \n or BR. it might seem a little bit hard, but any other solution won't work rather than this. Tim Haynes wrote: Does anybody know of a class or a solution to converting an HTML page to a text only page via PHP, but leaving in href links in and a certain degree of formatting. Cheers, Tim -- Vehbi Sinan Tunalioglu * email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HTML 2 TEXT
There's a perfect example in the manual: http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.preg-replace.php HTH Justin on 20/09/02 9:16 PM, SiTA WebMaster - VST ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Try to remove all strings starting with and ending with . Be sure not to remove A href ... /A's. Also you need to format line endings via \n or BR. it might seem a little bit hard, but any other solution won't work rather than this. Tim Haynes wrote: Does anybody know of a class or a solution to converting an HTML page to a text only page via PHP, but leaving in href links in and a certain degree of formatting. Cheers, Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HTML 2 TEXT
strip_tags() is the easiest way to remove HTML tags. If he wants to replace them, then he can use ereg_replace or preg_replace(). -- Nicos - CHAILLAN Nicolas [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.WorldAKT.com - Hébergement de sites Internet Justin French [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit dans le message de news: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's a perfect example in the manual: http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.preg-replace.php HTH Justin on 20/09/02 9:16 PM, SiTA WebMaster - VST ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Try to remove all strings starting with and ending with . Be sure not to remove A href ... /A's. Also you need to format line endings via \n or BR. it might seem a little bit hard, but any other solution won't work rather than this. Tim Haynes wrote: Does anybody know of a class or a solution to converting an HTML page to a text only page via PHP, but leaving in href links in and a certain degree of formatting. Cheers, Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HTML 2 TEXT
what he really needs is to completely remove script.../script, plus many many other examples. completely removing everything outside the body would be another option, perhaps saving the contents of title.../title since a script might also occur inside the body, this would not really work out as meant. Sascha -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] HTML and Text emails
Howdy, I've noticed that a number of online marketing companies now advertise the ability to send a combined HTML and Text email. The text email readers then apparently display these as text, and html email readers display these as html. I know how to send an html email, and a text email. But I can't figure out how you would send a combined html and text email. Could anybody give me an idea of how this would work, or perhaps point me the way to a tutorial or article? The tutorial doesn't have to be specifically for PHP -- once I know how it works, I can adapt it to PHP myself! Many Thanks! Rita Mikusch __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HTML and Text emails
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Fearless Froggie wrote: I've noticed that a number of online marketing companies now advertise the ability to send a combined HTML and Text email. The text email readers then apparently display these as text, and html email readers display these as html. I know how to send an html email, and a text email. But I can't figure out how you would send a combined html and text email. Could anybody give me an idea of how this would work, or perhaps point me the way to a tutorial or article? The tutorial doesn't have to be specifically for PHP -- once I know how it works, I can adapt it to PHP myself! Search the net for 'multipart/alternative'. In a nutshell, you declare the message itself as MIME type multipart/alternative, then enclose parts with types like text/plain, text/html, text/enriched, what have you. The MUA decides which format it prefers. Bear in mind that some fairly-common MUAs (either Lotus Notes or Groupwise springs to mind) can't decipher these messages and just show the whole thing. So make sure the text/plain part comes first. miguel -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] HTML to Text
I've looked various places (the PX, Hotscripts, etc) for a function that will take a HTML file, strip out all of the HTML and return just plain text. Does anyone know if such an animal exists? Does any one have a copy of a function that does this? Thanks for any help you can provide! Chris
Re: [PHP] HTML to Text
Isn't that what strip_tags() does? http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.strip-tags.php Data Driven Design P.O. Box 1084 Holly Hill, FL 32125-1084 http://www.datadrivendesign.com http://www.rossidesigns.net - Original Message - From: Boget, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Php (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 2:36 PM Subject: [PHP] HTML to Text I've looked various places (the PX, Hotscripts, etc) for a function that will take a HTML file, strip out all of the HTML and return just plain text. Does anyone know if such an animal exists? Does any one have a copy of a function that does this? Thanks for any help you can provide! Chris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] HTML to Text
Isn't that what strip_tags() does? http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.strip-tags.php I looked all over the documentation and I did not see this function. Now I feel all stupid. Especially when most of my posts to the mailing list refer people to the docs... :p Thanks. Chris
