RE: [PHP] How to prevent people from downloading images

2001-07-04 Thread Jesse S. Williams

Well-

The best form of protection against this that I have seen is on Microsoft's
satellite imaging server (can't remember the name off hand, if someone else
can, post it please!)  Basically it uses Java to display a satellite
snapshot and it's broken in pieces (so it's easy to navigate west or north
or whatever).  At any rate, you cannot screencapture it or print screen it
and even higher-end screen capture software does not seem to be able to grab
the images (also, if anyone can FIND software that will, post it here
too?!).  The server is TerraSearch or something... can't recall off the top
of my head.


Jesse Williams
Systems Administrator
DowNET VoIP Team
Electronic Data Systems, Inc. (EDS)



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From: rodrigo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 8:37 PM
To: php php
Subject: [PHP] How to prevent people from downloading images


This is probably more of a client side programming issue rather than
something that has to do with PHP. But I figure that some of you might
have something meaningful to comment.

I need a way to prevent the download of some images in a web page. I
also require that these images be presented within the web page. That
is, I don' want them to be displayed in another window. They should
remain embedded in the web page along with the rest of the page
elements.

Thanks in advance.
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RE: [PHP] How to prevent people from downloading images

2001-07-04 Thread John Meyer

On Wed, 04 Jul 2001, ..s.c.o.t.t.. wrote:
 there are two answers to this:
 
 1) it cannot be done.  as long as that image is on the person's
 computer screen, it is physically impossible to prevent that
 person from saving the image and using it.
 (a simple tap of the print screen will take a screenshot
 on windows machines, as someone else mentioned)

Agreed, but how about only showing a very small image.  Large enough for them
to know what it is, but not large enough that saving it would do them much good.

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Re: [PHP] How to prevent people from downloading images

2001-07-04 Thread Todd Cary

At http://www.floatographs.com , I reduce the resolution and put a
watermark in the JPEG.  Not very clever, but it works.

Todd

P.S. The site is using PHP and Interbase plus a lot of help from all of
you folks!!  Many thanks

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[PHP] How to prevent people from downloading images

2001-07-03 Thread rodrigo

This is probably more of a client side programming issue rather than
something that has to do with PHP. But I figure that some of you might
have something meaningful to comment.

I need a way to prevent the download of some images in a web page. I
also require that these images be presented within the web page. That
is, I don' want them to be displayed in another window. They should
remain embedded in the web page along with the rest of the page
elements.

Thanks in advance.
-- 

Ivan R. Quintero E.* (507)228-3477  
Aptdo 1263 * (507)228-9105
Balboa, Ancon  * 612-1103
Republic of Panama * 


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RE: [PHP] How to prevent people from downloading images

2001-07-03 Thread MRossland

I don't remember exactly the code on how to do it, but you have have the
images placed in a folder outside the server's public document tree (like
you would do with includes) ... that way, I couldn't link directly to your
pic.

As for stopping someone from right clicking on the image and doing a save
as, I'm not sure if its possible, although I would love to hear if someone
has come up with a way.

--Mark.

-Original Message-
From: rodrigo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 5:37 PM
To: php php
Subject: [PHP] How to prevent people from downloading images


This is probably more of a client side programming issue rather than
something that has to do with PHP. But I figure that some of you might
have something meaningful to comment.

I need a way to prevent the download of some images in a web page. I
also require that these images be presented within the web page. That
is, I don' want them to be displayed in another window. They should
remain embedded in the web page along with the rest of the page
elements.

Thanks in advance.
--

Ivan R. Quintero E.* (507)228-3477
Aptdo 1263 * (507)228-9105
Balboa, Ancon  * 612-1103
Republic of Panama *


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Re: [PHP] How to prevent people from downloading images

2001-07-03 Thread mike cullerton

on 7/3/01 6:36 PM, rodrigo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is probably more of a client side programming issue rather than
 something that has to do with PHP. But I figure that some of you might
 have something meaningful to comment.
 
 I need a way to prevent the download of some images in a web page. I
 also require that these images be presented within the web page. That
 is, I don' want them to be displayed in another window. They should
 remain embedded in the web page along with the rest of the page
 elements.

as in you don't want people to steal them?

the image has to be passed to the browser, so it's gonna be tough. you may
be able to pull it off in specific browsers, but you can't stop someone from
writing their own 'browser' that copies the file to disk as it receives the
image.

i've got a friend that does system work for a place that has artist
portfolio's online so folks can browse images and then purchase the rights
to use them. they've had some problems with folks not paying (imagine that).

they've written a perl program to snoop thru logs and try to track down
folks stealing^w using images without paying for them. it's a fairly
involved process and definitely isn't exact.

anyone else?
mike

 
 Thanks in advance.


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RE: [PHP] How to prevent people from downloading images

2001-07-03 Thread Peter Houchin - SunRentals Australia

yeah use macromedia's flash is One way there is a java script way ... but i think that 
basically just stops people right clicking the page 

-Original Message-
From: rodrigo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:37 AM
To: php php
Subject: [PHP] How to prevent people from downloading images


This is probably more of a client side programming issue rather than
something that has to do with PHP. But I figure that some of you might
have something meaningful to comment.

I need a way to prevent the download of some images in a web page. I
also require that these images be presented within the web page. That
is, I don' want them to be displayed in another window. They should
remain embedded in the web page along with the rest of the page
elements.

Thanks in advance.
-- 

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Aptdo 1263 * (507)228-9105
Balboa, Ancon  * 612-1103
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Re: [PHP] How to prevent people from downloading images

2001-07-03 Thread Aral Balkan

I bought (it was something like $5-10) a java class called imageProtect from
Liquid Cool Research (their new page is http://www.liquidcoolresearch.com/)
a long time ago and I just checked on their site -- it doesn't seem to be on
sale any more. It worked for me (basically it was just java loading and
displaying the image but it did a bit more if I recall -- like the ability
to add watermarks, copyright info, etc.)

Aral :)
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Re: [PHP] How to prevent people from downloading images

2001-07-03 Thread antipode

rodrigo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I need a way to prevent the download of some images in a web page. I
 also require that these images be presented within the web page. That
 is, I don' want them to be displayed in another window. They should
 remain embedded in the web page along with the rest of the page
 elements.

I've seen a neat way of ``protecting'' images from download: cut them
up in, say, ten pieces, and display them in a table where each cell
contains a piece.  While this does not really protect the images from
download, one would have to do a certain amount of work to construct
an image from the pieces.

Come to think of it, the easiest way would be to take a screenshot of
the browser window, and just cut the image out.  I don't think
anything at all would protect you from people doing something like
this.
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i=1; while 1, hilb(i); i=i+1; end

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Re: [PHP] How to prevent people from downloading images

2001-07-03 Thread John Meyer

On Tue, 03 Jul 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 rodrigo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  I need a way to prevent the download of some images in a web page. I
  also require that these images be presented within the web page. That
  is, I don' want them to be displayed in another window. They should
  remain embedded in the web page along with the rest of the page
  elements.

I've seen a neat trick in ASP (*boo* *hiss*) where you could take the image,
and binary write it out to the web page as the src.  Could that be done here?

Or another trick might be to show them a low res version of the graphic, then
require payment before you give the the high res one.

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RE: [PHP] How to prevent people from downloading images

2001-07-03 Thread ..s.c.o.t.t..

there are two answers to this:

1) it cannot be done.  as long as that image is on the person's
computer screen, it is physically impossible to prevent that
person from saving the image and using it.
(a simple tap of the print screen will take a screenshot
on windows machines, as someone else mentioned)

2) if you used java or some form of server-side script to pass
the binary data directly to the browser, it would make it much
harder for the average websurfur to steal the image,
since he/she wouldnt be able to just right-click on it and
select save as... (as someone also mentioned, he bought
a java class that did this)

but like i said before, if that image is viewable on the computer
monitor, it's impossible to protect it if someone wants to steal
it bad enough.

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Re: [PHP] How to prevent people from downloading images

2001-07-03 Thread Aral Balkan

 if that image is viewable on the computer monitor, it's impossible to
protect it if someone wants to steal it bad enough.

True, and I have friends who are professional photographers who actually
*don't* want to protect their images in this way. It is much more profitable
to be able to log who is stealing your images and then sue them. :)

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Re: [PHP] How to prevent people from downloading images

2001-07-03 Thread Victor Spång Arthursson

There is only one way to prevent people from steeling images, and that 
is to print a logo all over the image:

http://www.agefotostock.com/age/sueco/enim01.asp?foto=29580light=

If you write a javascript that disables the right mouse button, I'ld be 
able to steel it anyway cause I'm a Mac user and we don't have right 
buttons =)

Or if you printed it as a binary I'ld still be able to take a screendump 
using Cmd (applekey) + Shift + 3 =)

Sincerely, Victor


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