[PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems
Hi all! And again, a slightly off topic subject for you all from yours truly :o) I have a customer (helicopter company) who is willing to give me some free flights for a small website. Now, I have been talking to my sister in law who is a designer (note: designer, not coder). She said I should be using Joomla or something of that sort and change it to fit my needs. I, on the other hand, am more into using my own code, starting with the first Hello World and ending up being a full fledged CMS with just the functions the customer needs. I have a lot of code in my code database already, so it would be a lot of copy and paste and a bit of coding. I think the whole thing will take about 60 work hours. I am into hand coding, to be honest. Using Joomla or other CMS systems is fine, but I want this to be a nice point on my CV if I ever need to get a new job. And, most important to me, it _feels_ much better to have it done from scratch all by yourself, doesn't it? So, I would love to hear your opinion on this. Sorry for being a bit off topic here as this is not 100% coding related, but I _had_ to get some feedback to backup my position ;o) Cheers! Chris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems
On Aug 28, 2008, at 5:17 AM, Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel wrote: Hi all! And again, a slightly off topic subject for you all from yours truly :o) I have a customer (helicopter company) who is willing to give me some free flights for a small website. Now, I have been talking to my sister in law who is a designer (note: designer, not coder). She said I should be using Joomla or something of that sort and change it to fit my needs. I, on the other hand, am more into using my own code, starting with the first Hello World and ending up being a full fledged CMS with just the functions the customer needs. I have a lot of code in my code database already, so it would be a lot of copy and paste and a bit of coding. I think the whole thing will take about 60 work hours. I am into hand coding, to be honest. Using Joomla or other CMS systems is fine, but I want this to be a nice point on my CV if I ever need to get a new job. And, most important to me, it _feels_ much better to have it done from scratch all by yourself, doesn't it? So, I would love to hear your opinion on this. Sorry for being a bit off topic here as this is not 100% coding related, but I _had_ to get some feedback to backup my position ;o) Cheers! Chris Hi Chris, I have used Joomla and wordpress as CMS's before on different sites. Both have worked great for the purposes of the sites. The company that I freelance with uses them as a base on almost all the sites that they work on, and then I come in and clean it up a little... valid XHTML/ CSS section 508 compliance, things like that. What I'm trying to get at (And please keep in mind I still haven't had any coffee this morning...) is that hand coding everything is great I do all my own hand coding for my projects. But there is nothing wrong with using an established base if it suits your needs. And from a freelance standpoint, there are alot of jobs available for CMS customization, so some experience in that, might help get some jobs for the future. Good luck! -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 11287 James St Holland, MI 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems
Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel schreef: Hi all! And again, a slightly off topic subject for you all from yours truly :o) I have a customer (helicopter company) who is willing to give me some free flights for a small website. Now, I have been talking to my sister in law who is a designer (note: designer, not coder). She said I should be using Joomla or something of that sort and change it to fit my needs. designers should keep their mouths shut when it comes to code/coding ... I don't care if she's your sister or the queen of england. do we tell them what to draw? not if your smart, if your smart you'll only ever tell them when something is impossible to implement (this-is-the-web-not-a-sheet-of-A4), or when something is not cost effective to implement (i.e. the client will never agree to pay for X) make your own mind up as to what is the most effective solution. I, on the other hand, am more into using my own code, starting with the first Hello World and ending up being a full fledged CMS with just the functions the customer needs. I have a lot of code in my code database already, so it would be a lot of copy and paste and a bit of coding. I think the whole thing will take about 60 work hours. Im guessing you'd spend that much time just implementing a decent design into a Joomla or whatever. I mean a design that doesn't look like it was generated by Frontpage. I am into hand coding, to be honest. Using Joomla or other CMS systems is fine, but I want this to be a nice point on my CV if I ever need to get a new job. And, most important to me, it _feels_ much better to have it done from scratch all by yourself, doesn't it? So, I would love to hear your opinion on this. Sorry for being a bit off topic here as this is not 100% coding related, but I _had_ to get some feedback to backup my position ;o) Cheers! Chris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems
-:- -Original Message- -:- From: Jochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -:- Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:46 PM -:- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -:- Cc: php-general@lists.php.net -:- Subject: Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems -:- -:- Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel schreef: -:- Hi all! -:- -:- And again, a slightly off topic subject for you all from -:- yours truly :o) -:- -:- I have a customer (helicopter company) who is willing -:- to give me some free -:- flights for a small website. -:- -:- Now, I have been talking to my sister in law who is a -:- designer (note: -:- designer, not coder). She said I should be using Joomla -:- or something of that -:- sort and change it to fit my needs. -:- -:- designers should keep their mouths shut when it comes to -:- code/coding ... -:- I don't care if she's your sister or the queen of england. -:- -:- do we tell them what to draw? not if your smart, if your -:- smart you'll only -:- ever tell them when something is impossible to implement -:- (this-is-the-web-not-a-sheet-of-A4), -:- or when something is not cost effective to implement (i.e. -:- the client will never -:- agree to pay for X) -:- -:- make your own mind up as to what is the most effective solution. -:- -:- I, on the other hand, am more into using my own code, -:- starting with the -:- first Hello World and ending up being a full fledged -:- CMS with just the -:- functions the customer needs. I have a lot of code in my -:- code database -:- already, so it would be a lot of copy and paste and a -:- bit of coding. I think -:- the whole thing will take about 60 work hours. -:- -:- Im guessing you'd spend that much time just implementing a -:- decent design into -:- a Joomla or whatever. I mean a design that doesn't look -:- like it was generated -:- by Frontpage. -:- -:- I am into hand coding, to be honest. Using Joomla or -:- other CMS systems is -:- fine, but I want this to be a nice point on my CV if I -:- ever need to get a -:- new job. And, most important to me, it _feels_ much -:- better to have it done -:- from scratch all by yourself, doesn't it? -:- -:- So, I would love to hear your opinion on this. Sorry for -:- being a bit off -:- topic here as this is not 100% coding related, but I -:- _had_ to get some -:- feedback to backup my position ;o) -:- -:- Cheers! -:- -:- -:- Chris -:- -:- -:- -:- -:- Hahaha.. THAT one told exactly what I feel! Thanks :o))) Also a big thanks to the others who already replied. Waiting for more on that Great one Jochem!! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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(is Joomla a kind of wysiwyg editor? Does CMS mean content management system? ..like blog software?) I leave the commentary about CMS Systems/Joomla -vs.- hand-coding to the experts here who have had way more experience with both than I have... What I can offer may be considered OT or just plain obvious/assumed, but for what it's worth: c.haensel : How you look on paper, or even what leads to the most lucrative position for you in this competitive market... neither are anywhere near as important as doing what your desire/intuition tell you. If you want to LEARN something, then go there. What you put your attention on, grows. What do you want to grow? personally, I like to go for the deepest thing that is still *fun* for me and then once I know where the power is, only then I feel free to let more superficial tools do the work when that suits the job better... I sleep better when I know what the bots are actually doing for me ;-) (at the moment I am still re-familiarizing myself with BBedit ;-) new job. And, most important to me, it _feels_ much better to have it done from scratch all by yourself, doesn't it?
Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems
Joomla is a large content management system that allows novice people to edit the pages without touching the actual design. It's all template driven and works quite well. Not the most lightweight solution though... On Aug 28, 2008, at 8:37 AM, Govinda wrote: (is Joomla a kind of wysiwyg editor? Does CMS mean content management system? ..like blog software?) I leave the commentary about CMS Systems/Joomla -vs.- hand-coding to the experts here who have had way more experience with both than I have... What I can offer may be considered OT or just plain obvious/assumed, but for what it's worth: c.haensel : How you look on paper, or even what leads to the most lucrative position for you in this competitive market... neither are anywhere near as important as doing what your desire/intuition tell you. If you want to LEARN something, then go there. What you put your attention on, grows. What do you want to grow? personally, I like to go for the deepest thing that is still *fun* for me and then once I know where the power is, only then I feel free to let more superficial tools do the work when that suits the job better... I sleep better when I know what the bots are actually doing for me ;-) (at the moment I am still re-familiarizing myself with BBedit ;-) new job. And, most important to me, it _feels_ much better to have it done from scratch all by yourself, doesn't it? -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 11287 James St Holland, MI 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems
Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel schrieb: -:- -Original Message- -:- From: Jochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -:- Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:46 PM -:- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -:- Cc: php-general@lists.php.net -:- Subject: Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems -:- -:- Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel schreef: -:- Hi all! -:- -:- And again, a slightly off topic subject for you all from -:- yours truly :o) -:- -:- I have a customer (helicopter company) who is willing -:- to give me some free -:- flights for a small website. -:- -:- Now, I have been talking to my sister in law who is a -:- designer (note: -:- designer, not coder). She said I should be using Joomla -:- or something of that -:- sort and change it to fit my needs. -:- -:- designers should keep their mouths shut when it comes to -:- code/coding ... -:- I don't care if she's your sister or the queen of england. -:- -:- do we tell them what to draw? not if your smart, if your -:- smart you'll only -:- ever tell them when something is impossible to implement -:- (this-is-the-web-not-a-sheet-of-A4), -:- or when something is not cost effective to implement (i.e. -:- the client will never -:- agree to pay for X) -:- -:- make your own mind up as to what is the most effective solution. -:- -:- I, on the other hand, am more into using my own code, -:- starting with the -:- first Hello World and ending up being a full fledged -:- CMS with just the -:- functions the customer needs. I have a lot of code in my -:- code database -:- already, so it would be a lot of copy and paste and a -:- bit of coding. I think -:- the whole thing will take about 60 work hours. -:- -:- Im guessing you'd spend that much time just implementing a -:- decent design into -:- a Joomla or whatever. I mean a design that doesn't look -:- like it was generated -:- by Frontpage. -:- -:- I am into hand coding, to be honest. Using Joomla or -:- other CMS systems is -:- fine, but I want this to be a nice point on my CV if I -:- ever need to get a -:- new job. And, most important to me, it _feels_ much -:- better to have it done -:- from scratch all by yourself, doesn't it? -:- -:- So, I would love to hear your opinion on this. Sorry for -:- being a bit off -:- topic here as this is not 100% coding related, but I -:- _had_ to get some -:- feedback to backup my position ;o) -:- -:- Cheers! -:- -:- -:- Chris -:- -:- -:- -:- -:- Hahaha.. THAT one told exactly what I feel! Thanks :o))) Also a big thanks to the others who already replied. Waiting for more on that Great one Jochem!! Kids Carlos -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems
-:- -Original Message- -:- From: Carlos Medina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -:- Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:48 PM -:- To: php-general@lists.php.net -:- Subject: Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems -:- -:- Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel schrieb: -:- -:- -Original Message- -:- -:- From: Jochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -:- -:- Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:46 PM -:- -:- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -:- -:- Cc: php-general@lists.php.net -:- -:- Subject: Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems -:- -:- -:- -:- Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel schreef: -:- -:- Hi all! -:- -:- -:- -:- And again, a slightly off topic subject for you all from -:- -:- yours truly :o) -:- -:- -:- -:- I have a customer (helicopter company) who is willing -:- -:- to give me some free -:- -:- flights for a small website. -:- -:- -:- -:- Now, I have been talking to my sister in law who is a -:- -:- designer (note: -:- -:- designer, not coder). She said I should be using Joomla -:- -:- or something of that -:- -:- sort and change it to fit my needs. -:- -:- -:- -:- designers should keep their mouths shut when it comes to -:- -:- code/coding ... -:- -:- I don't care if she's your sister or the queen of england. -:- -:- -:- -:- do we tell them what to draw? not if your smart, if your -:- -:- smart you'll only -:- -:- ever tell them when something is impossible to implement -:- -:- (this-is-the-web-not-a-sheet-of-A4), -:- -:- or when something is not cost effective to implement (i.e. -:- -:- the client will never -:- -:- agree to pay for X) -:- -:- -:- -:- make your own mind up as to what is the most -:- effective solution. -:- -:- -:- -:- I, on the other hand, am more into using my own code, -:- -:- starting with the -:- -:- first Hello World and ending up being a full fledged -:- -:- CMS with just the -:- -:- functions the customer needs. I have a lot of code in my -:- -:- code database -:- -:- already, so it would be a lot of copy and paste and a -:- -:- bit of coding. I think -:- -:- the whole thing will take about 60 work hours. -:- -:- -:- -:- Im guessing you'd spend that much time just implementing a -:- -:- decent design into -:- -:- a Joomla or whatever. I mean a design that doesn't look -:- -:- like it was generated -:- -:- by Frontpage. -:- -:- -:- -:- I am into hand coding, to be honest. Using Joomla or -:- -:- other CMS systems is -:- -:- fine, but I want this to be a nice point on my CV if I -:- -:- ever need to get a -:- -:- new job. And, most important to me, it _feels_ much -:- -:- better to have it done -:- -:- from scratch all by yourself, doesn't it? -:- -:- -:- -:- So, I would love to hear your opinion on this. Sorry for -:- -:- being a bit off -:- -:- topic here as this is not 100% coding related, but I -:- -:- _had_ to get some -:- -:- feedback to backup my position ;o) -:- -:- -:- -:- Cheers! -:- -:- -:- -:- -:- -:- Chris -:- -:- -:- -:- -:- -:- -:- -:- -:- -:- -:- -:- Hahaha.. THAT one told exactly what I feel! Thanks :o))) -:- -:- Also a big thanks to the others who already replied. -:- Waiting for more on -:- that Great one Jochem!! -:- -:- -:- Kids -:- -:- Carlos -:- Watch him go... there is Carloos, the man infront of all the others. He is WAY ahead, and he is gaining more and more speed. He is an adult, and he is sooo adult that he can't even take a laugh... see him run from the humor! Faster and faster he runs... and there it is: the goal: an open casket for the people going through life without having a good laugh every now and then :o Aaanyhow... *grabs his coffee and keeps working while shaking his head because of the stupid comment posted by Carlos* Cheers :o -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems
I've done quite a bit of work with Joomla, both installing/configuring as well as customizing and building components and modules. It's a great system to build off of, but it's a bit of a blank slate that's a little rough around the edges.I've also done my share of hand-coding, so don't think I'm Joomla biased. Depending on how many gadgets the client wants working, it can be quicker to start with Joomla and refine it. If what they want is some very basic functionality, it might be easier just to hand-code. I've found that even when the site is complicated, you may get close to your mark with Joomla (sort of like building something out of scraps you have laying around your tool shed) but that I've never quiet totally happy with how someone else has programmed their module/component for Joomla and end up customizing it anyway. I think Joomla itself could flow better and be more professional grade and many of the addons for it are programmed by amateurs or by people who have a different design sense than I do or flat out by people who understand coding but not human interaction... so the addon functions, but is painful for a human to use. I really like hand-coding things over working with Joomla, just because I get to control how everything comes out. BUT.. if they're going to have a lot of content updates and/or require a lot of functionality that's already covered in Joomla and the many addons, then you might start there and just customize it. My biggest issue is that with my work, I don't have time/budget to ever really customize Joomla to the point where it feels right, so I appreciate how much good it can do... I feel like I'm leaving jobs half done sometimes. -TG - Original Message - From: Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: php-general@lists.php.net Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:17:03 +0200 Subject: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems Hi all! And again, a slightly off topic subject for you all from yours truly :o) I have a customer (helicopter company) who is willing to give me some free flights for a small website. Now, I have been talking to my sister in law who is a designer (note: designer, not coder). She said I should be using Joomla or something of that sort and change it to fit my needs. I, on the other hand, am more into using my own code, starting with the first Hello World and ending up being a full fledged CMS with just the functions the customer needs. I have a lot of code in my code database already, so it would be a lot of copy and paste and a bit of coding. I think the whole thing will take about 60 work hours. I am into hand coding, to be honest. Using Joomla or other CMS systems is fine, but I want this to be a nice point on my CV if I ever need to get a new job. And, most important to me, it _feels_ much better to have it done from scratch all by yourself, doesn't it? So, I would love to hear your opinion on this. Sorry for being a bit off topic here as this is not 100% coding related, but I _had_ to get some feedback to backup my position ;o) Cheers! Chris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems OT
Watch him go... there is Carloos, the man infront of all the others. He is WAY ahead, and he is gaining more and more speed. He is an adult, and he is sooo adult that he can't even take a laugh... see him run from the humor! Faster and faster he runs... and there it is: the goal: an open casket for the people going through life without having a good laugh every now and then :o Aaanyhow... *grabs his coffee and keeps working while shaking his head because of the stupid comment posted by Carlos* Cheers :o :-) Kids Carlos -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems
At 11:17 AM +0200 8/28/08, Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel wrote: Hi all! And again, a slightly off topic subject for you all from yours truly :o) I have a customer (helicopter company) who is willing to give me some free flights for a small website. Now, I have been talking to my sister in law who is a designer (note: designer, not coder). She said I should be using Joomla or something of that sort and change it to fit my needs. I, on the other hand, am more into using my own code, starting with the first Hello World and ending up being a full fledged CMS with just the functions the customer needs. I have a lot of code in my code database already, so it would be a lot of copy and paste and a bit of coding. I think the whole thing will take about 60 work hours. I am into hand coding, to be honest. Using Joomla or other CMS systems is fine, but I want this to be a nice point on my CV if I ever need to get a new job. And, most important to me, it _feels_ much better to have it done from scratch all by yourself, doesn't it? So, I would love to hear your opinion on this. Sorry for being a bit off topic here as this is not 100% coding related, but I _had_ to get some feedback to backup my position ;o) Cheers! Chris WOW! Wouldn't it be interesting if they gave you a pilot who was learning how to fly while you learned how to do their web site. Nothing of any value to add, just an observation. :-) While CMS can help to maintain a web site, I have not seen any worth a damn to create one. But then again, I hand-code both. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 08:46 -0400, Jason Pruim wrote: Joomla is a large content management system that allows novice people to edit the pages without touching the actual design. It's all template driven and works quite well. Not the most lightweight solution though... I've used quite a few different CMS systems and while Joomla was not the worst, I feel Joomla is not well designed from the perspective of the ignorant unwashed masses. I find this issue to be etremely salient when considered in light of Joomla's multilingual capabilities and menu capabilities. Being Canadian, many websites here require support for both English and French... it's just ridiculous to have to use a plugin module for language and to have to go to a completely different area of the site than the original content in question to add the French version. Similarly, I find the creation of menus very cumbersome. I feel Drupal does a much better job of handling these aspects. Also, Drupal was a lot faster... Joomla feels like I'm walking through a swamp of molasses. At any rate, to drive home the client perspective... they are only adding the simplest of content because they have difficulty using the site. As such they send me much of the content to add... this is completely counter to the purpose of the CMS. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems OT
Carlos Medina schreef: Watch him go... there is Carloos, the man infront of all the others. He is WAY ahead, and he is gaining more and more speed. He is an adult, and he is sooo adult that he can't even take a laugh... see him run from the humor! Faster and faster he runs... and there it is: the goal: an open casket for the people going through life without having a good laugh every now and then :o Aaanyhow... *grabs his coffee and keeps working while shaking his head because of the stupid comment posted by Carlos* Cheers :o :-) Kids yes I have one, so? did he build your website per chance? :-P btw: I have two handcoded cmses that I use to build sites with, a bunch of code 'snippets' used to handcode very small odd-ball sites with and I sometimes use an out of the box CMS if it suits me (but not Joomla) ... and I always end up having to hack some customization into them. as a developer it's not just about getting a quick result but aquiring a level of expertise that allows one to understand and create things at a professional level, things like CMSes (somebody actually writes them!) using validating, tableless xHTML layouts, valid CSS, secure server-side code, unobtrusive (and sometimes even gracefully degrading) javascript, etc, etc. the pond is getting smaller and smaller, eventually there won't be any room for people who can just about run the installer script of CMS X[tm] and barely hack out HTML. I plan to be getting paid still when that happens ... rewriting the installer script of CMS X[tm] perhaps. Carlos -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel wrote: Hahaha.. THAT one told exactly what I feel! Thanks :o))) Also a big thanks to the others who already replied. Waiting for more on that Great one Jochem!! If they only want a simple set of pages, then it's probably not worth the hassle of configuring a CMS framework. The second you want to add 'customer login' so that their clients can view private things like their log book or next flight booking then you need a CMS with a good user management and security system. Event diary and other automated functions then come free with any decent framework. With bitweaver I can add my own special functions while still retaining all of the core functions of styling, themes, user management and security. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems
You're not really a PHP developer until you've written your own CMS from scratch. It's a right of passage to roll your own, realize what a bad idea it is, and move on to using a full on general CMS that will do 10x what you can do on you own in 1/10 the effort on your parts. My own bias is for Drupal, since that's the system I work on, but most will work well enough depending on your needs. (Drupal will work better, though! g) The bragging rights of doing it youself don't actually carry as much weight as you'd think; the bragging rights of knowing how to leverage a tier-one system that has major name recognition is even more valuable. The bragging rights of being a developer on that system is even more valuable. There's educational value to writing your own, but it will take longer and result in fewer features than using an existing system. Most major CMSes have tens of thousands of hours of work put into them; 60 hours won't even get you a really good blog. On Thursday 28 August 2008 4:17:03 am Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel wrote: Hi all! And again, a slightly off topic subject for you all from yours truly :o) I have a customer (helicopter company) who is willing to give me some free flights for a small website. Now, I have been talking to my sister in law who is a designer (note: designer, not coder). She said I should be using Joomla or something of that sort and change it to fit my needs. I, on the other hand, am more into using my own code, starting with the first Hello World and ending up being a full fledged CMS with just the functions the customer needs. I have a lot of code in my code database already, so it would be a lot of copy and paste and a bit of coding. I think the whole thing will take about 60 work hours. I am into hand coding, to be honest. Using Joomla or other CMS systems is fine, but I want this to be a nice point on my CV if I ever need to get a new job. And, most important to me, it _feels_ much better to have it done from scratch all by yourself, doesn't it? So, I would love to hear your opinion on this. Sorry for being a bit off topic here as this is not 100% coding related, but I _had_ to get some feedback to backup my position ;o) Cheers! Chris -- Larry Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Lester Caine schreef: Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel wrote: Hahaha.. THAT one told exactly what I feel! Thanks :o))) Also a big thanks to the others who already replied. Waiting for more on that Great one Jochem!! If they only want a simple set of pages, then it's probably not worth the hassle of configuring a CMS framework. The second you want to add 'customer login' so that their clients can view private things like their log book or next flight booking then you need a CMS with a good user management and security system. Event diary and other automated functions then come free with any decent framework. ah, Lester's banging the bitweaver drum :-) ... actually I quite like it, but then I am biased towards firebird :-) With bitweaver I can add my own special functions while still retaining all of the core functions of styling, themes, user management and security. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
