[PHP] Zend IDE price plans

2001-01-27 Thread Lewis Bergman

Is anyone else dissappointed in the limited pricing options of the Zend IDE?
I would love to buy the commercial license as about half of my work would 
fall into that.

My problem is I don't want or need anything except the IDE. Are there other 
people in this same boat? 

I would like the IDE but don't want to pay for a bunch of stuff I don't 
want or need. I would think that there is some middle-goround somewhere. 
More than $50.00 for the personal license but less than the $850.00 for the 
whole big ball of wax.

I would love to hear what others are thinking on this subject.


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Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans

2001-01-27 Thread Lewis Bergman

 lagi wrote:
 
 They can charge the big companies who pay the microsoft tax for the
 extra nannying that they need/want/expect but why give the razor free
 and then charge  $6000  per  blade? Charge a nobrainer price (for a
 limited period) and we would all jump in i predict.
 
 You mean like the Commercial Subscription ($70/month) ?? The Encoder SE
 is available with that plan. In fact, that's almost the whole idea
 behind the Commercial subscription: to allow a very low entry for
 access to the Encoder technology.
As I said before, This encoder stuff may be great for companies that sell 
software and that kind of recurring $70 cost make sense when you are 
selling a product. But, If you are an occasional freelance programmer or 
use php for just your companies sight you could probably care less about 
encoding.

I just want the debugger. Thats it. I hope they make some kind of allowance 
for this as was hinted before but that isn't what Zend told me when I 
inquired about it. They just said "No, but your opinions are considered". 
Obviously Zend can do whatever they want with their own products. I just 
think that something between illeagal and everything should be offered to 
maximize sales.

Also, Does anyone know if the IDE works on the snapshots? I didn't see 
anything to preclude it but it seemed to come packaged with a PHP version. 
I wouldn't want to give up the ability to code with the latest function to 
use an IDE. I guess I could just do without for that instance.


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Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans

2001-01-27 Thread lagi

Thats what I wanted to hear maybe the winging did it or maybe they planned
it all along ...

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 Lewis  everyone,

 An alternative (non-subscription) plan for the IDE will be announced next
 week.  It'll be designed to make the IDE much more affordable for
everyone,
 including those who develop for commercial purposes.

 Stay tuned!

 Zeev

 At 15:22 27/1/2001, Lewis Bergman wrote:
 Is anyone else dissappointed in the limited pricing options of the Zend
IDE?
 I would love to buy the commercial license as about half of my work would
 fall into that.
 
 My problem is I don't want or need anything except the IDE. Are there
other
 people in this same boat?
 
 I would like the IDE but don't want to pay for a bunch of stuff I don't
 want or need. I would think that there is some middle-goround somewhere.
 More than $50.00 for the personal license but less than the $850.00 for
the
 whole big ball of wax.
 
 I would love to hear what others are thinking on this subject.
 
 
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Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans

2001-01-27 Thread Zeev Suraski

At 17:37 27/1/2001, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Also, Does anyone know if the IDE works on the snapshots? I didn't see
anything to preclude it but it seemed to come packaged with a PHP version.
I wouldn't want to give up the ability to code with the latest function to
use an IDE. I guess I could just do without for that instance.

There's no guarantee that it'll work on snapshots, even though, chances are 
it will.

Zeev


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Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans

2001-01-27 Thread Frank Joerdens

On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 10:26:35AM -0500, Jim Jagielski wrote:
[ . . . ]
 You mean like the Commercial Subscription ($70/month) ?? The Encoder
 SE is available with that plan. In fact, that's almost the whole idea
 behind the Commercial subscription: to allow a very low entry for access
 to the Encoder technology.

You need to buy a whole year's subscription though. This means you don't
pay $70 a month but 12*$70=$840 a year, in monthly installments. There
is a difference between 'amount X a month' and 'amount Y a year in
monthly installments'. If X happens to be Y/12, it's still not the same.

Just my $0.02.

- Frank


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