Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 11:50 +0200, Børge Holen wrote: > On Thursday 07 August 2008 03:57:06 you wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 00:46 +0200, Børge Holen wrote: > > > On Wednesday 06 August 2008 20:00:50 tedd wrote: > > > > At 9:11 AM -0400 8/5/08, Daniel Brown wrote: > > > > >On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Aschwin Wesselius > > > > > > > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> I wouldn't like to loose my stuff, but I can't afford much for the > > > > >> best solutions either. It's not that my job depends on it, but > > > > >> personal data is a big loss too. > > > > > > > > > > Tell me about it. One of the sickest feelings in the world comes > > > > >when you hear your hard drive start going "click click > > > > >choke click" > > > > > > > > No question about it. > > > > > > > > That's the reason why I have three backup systems. One in my garage > > > > in a fireproof safe that's in another fireproof safe; One hidden in > > > > my house in another fireproof safe; And one attached to my main > > > > computer that I backup everyday, or more often, which is stored (when > > > > not in use) in a yet another waterproof and fireproof safe. (I'm big > > > > on fireproof safes) All of which are protected by me and my guns. The > > > > only way I'm going to lose any data is if my place is stuck by a > > > > meteor. > > > > > > > > Sure it takes a lot of time to backup, but less than the alternative. > > > > > > I'm just gonna comment some here. Hell, it's a bitch to loose data, but I > > > give you this... These "pro's" here, ain't getting things done, no time > > > for it between backups. > > > The time they use each year on backup you can write new code tenfold. ;D > > > muhaha > > > > What are you yammering on about? A simple cron job can do the backup > > while I sleep-- "Look ma... I work while I sleep!" > > tell me, you really didn't get the point I was making; after all the good > advices ppl are making? *wsh* That was it going over my head :) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
On Thursday 07 August 2008 16:58:32 tedd wrote: > At 4:35 PM +0200 8/7/08, Børge Holen wrote: > >On Thursday 07 August 2008 16:28:12 tedd wrote: > > > At 11:50 AM +0200 8/7/08, Børge Holen wrote: > > > >> > I'm just gonna comment some here. Hell, it's a bitch to loose > > > >> > data, but I give you this... These "pro's" here, ain't getting > > > >> > things done, > >> >> > > >> >> > no time for it between backups. > >> >> > > > > >> > The time they use each year on backup you can write new code > > > >> > tenfold. > >> >> > > >> >> > ;D muhaha > >> >> > >> >> What are you yammering on about? A simple cron job can do the > >> >> backup while I sleep-- "Look ma... I work while I sleep!" > >> > > >> >tell me, you really didn't get the point I was making; after all the > >> > good advices ppl are making? > > > > > > Sorry, I didn't get your point either. > > > >You actually didn't read what I replied to, what are you commenting then? > > Huh? > > I still don't get your point. > > My additional comments beyond "not getting your > point" were obviously about backups -- was that > not clear? > > It is acceptable and common to carry more than > one point/topic in a communication. nah, we do not communicate very good. stops here, we're clearly not on the same topic > > Cheers, > > tedd > > -- > --- > http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- --- Børge Holen http://www.arivene.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
At 4:35 PM +0200 8/7/08, Børge Holen wrote: On Thursday 07 August 2008 16:28:12 tedd wrote: > At 11:50 AM +0200 8/7/08, Børge Holen wrote: > >> > I'm just gonna comment some here. Hell, it's a bitch to loose data, > >> > but I give you this... These "pro's" here, ain't getting things done, >> > no time for it between backups. > >> > The time they use each year on backup you can write new code tenfold. >> > ;D muhaha >> >> What are you yammering on about? A simple cron job can do the backup >> while I sleep-- "Look ma... I work while I sleep!" > >tell me, you really didn't get the point I was making; after all the good >advices ppl are making? > Sorry, I didn't get your point either. You actually didn't read what I replied to, what are you commenting then? Huh? I still don't get your point. My additional comments beyond "not getting your point" were obviously about backups -- was that not clear? It is acceptable and common to carry more than one point/topic in a communication. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
On Thursday 07 August 2008 16:28:12 tedd wrote: > At 11:50 AM +0200 8/7/08, Børge Holen wrote: > >On Thursday 07 August 2008 03:57:06 you wrote: > >> On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 00:46 +0200, Børge Holen wrote: > > > > On Wednesday 06 August 2008 20:00:50 tedd wrote: > > > > > Sure it takes a lot of time to backup, but less than the > > > > > alternative. > >> > > >> > I'm just gonna comment some here. Hell, it's a bitch to loose data, > >> > but I give you this... These "pro's" here, ain't getting things done, > >> > no time for it between backups. > >> > The time they use each year on backup you can write new code tenfold. > >> > ;D muhaha > >> > >> What are you yammering on about? A simple cron job can do the backup > >> while I sleep-- "Look ma... I work while I sleep!" > > > >tell me, you really didn't get the point I was making; after all the good > >advices ppl are making? > > Sorry, I didn't get your point either. > > My backups are done whenever I want to take a > break -- two clicks and everything is backed up > by time I get back. Simple. > > The remote backups take longer because I have to > physically go get the drives out of my safes, and > that happens about one a week -- besides, I need > the exercise. > > The online stuff, I can never trust so I don't > rely on it. After all, service centers do catch > fire. > > Backups are like home defense, don't rely on the > cops, don't rely on the neighbors, don't rely on > remote services, only you can safeguard your > stuff. > > The question of how much to backup is like > gambling, risk only what you can afford to lose. You actually didn't read what I replied to, what are you commenting then? > > Cheers, > > tedd > > -- > --- > http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- --- Børge Holen http://www.arivene.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
At 11:50 AM +0200 8/7/08, Børge Holen wrote: On Thursday 07 August 2008 03:57:06 you wrote: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 00:46 +0200, Børge Holen wrote: > > On Wednesday 06 August 2008 20:00:50 tedd wrote: > > > Sure it takes a lot of time to backup, but less than the alternative. > > I'm just gonna comment some here. Hell, it's a bitch to loose data, but I > give you this... These "pro's" here, ain't getting things done, no time > for it between backups. > The time they use each year on backup you can write new code tenfold. ;D > muhaha What are you yammering on about? A simple cron job can do the backup while I sleep-- "Look ma... I work while I sleep!" tell me, you really didn't get the point I was making; after all the good advices ppl are making? Sorry, I didn't get your point either. My backups are done whenever I want to take a break -- two clicks and everything is backed up by time I get back. Simple. The remote backups take longer because I have to physically go get the drives out of my safes, and that happens about one a week -- besides, I need the exercise. The online stuff, I can never trust so I don't rely on it. After all, service centers do catch fire. Backups are like home defense, don't rely on the cops, don't rely on the neighbors, don't rely on remote services, only you can safeguard your stuff. The question of how much to backup is like gambling, risk only what you can afford to lose. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
On Thursday 07 August 2008 03:57:06 you wrote: > On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 00:46 +0200, Børge Holen wrote: > > On Wednesday 06 August 2008 20:00:50 tedd wrote: > > > At 9:11 AM -0400 8/5/08, Daniel Brown wrote: > > > >On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Aschwin Wesselius > > > > > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I wouldn't like to loose my stuff, but I can't afford much for the > > > >> best solutions either. It's not that my job depends on it, but > > > >> personal data is a big loss too. > > > > > > > > Tell me about it. One of the sickest feelings in the world comes > > > >when you hear your hard drive start going "click click > > > >choke click" > > > > > > No question about it. > > > > > > That's the reason why I have three backup systems. One in my garage > > > in a fireproof safe that's in another fireproof safe; One hidden in > > > my house in another fireproof safe; And one attached to my main > > > computer that I backup everyday, or more often, which is stored (when > > > not in use) in a yet another waterproof and fireproof safe. (I'm big > > > on fireproof safes) All of which are protected by me and my guns. The > > > only way I'm going to lose any data is if my place is stuck by a > > > meteor. > > > > > > Sure it takes a lot of time to backup, but less than the alternative. > > > > I'm just gonna comment some here. Hell, it's a bitch to loose data, but I > > give you this... These "pro's" here, ain't getting things done, no time > > for it between backups. > > The time they use each year on backup you can write new code tenfold. ;D > > muhaha > > What are you yammering on about? A simple cron job can do the backup > while I sleep-- "Look ma... I work while I sleep!" tell me, you really didn't get the point I was making; after all the good advices ppl are making? > > Cheers, > Rob. -- --- Børge Holen http://www.arivene.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
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Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 00:46 +0200, Børge Holen wrote: > On Wednesday 06 August 2008 20:00:50 tedd wrote: > > At 9:11 AM -0400 8/5/08, Daniel Brown wrote: > > >On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Aschwin Wesselius > > > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> I wouldn't like to loose my stuff, but I can't afford much for the best > > >> solutions either. It's not that my job depends on it, but personal data > > >> is a big loss too. > > > > > > Tell me about it. One of the sickest feelings in the world comes > > >when you hear your hard drive start going "click click > > >choke click" > > > > No question about it. > > > > That's the reason why I have three backup systems. One in my garage > > in a fireproof safe that's in another fireproof safe; One hidden in > > my house in another fireproof safe; And one attached to my main > > computer that I backup everyday, or more often, which is stored (when > > not in use) in a yet another waterproof and fireproof safe. (I'm big > > on fireproof safes) All of which are protected by me and my guns. The > > only way I'm going to lose any data is if my place is stuck by a > > meteor. > > > > Sure it takes a lot of time to backup, but less than the alternative. > > I'm just gonna comment some here. Hell, it's a bitch to loose data, but I > give > you this... These "pro's" here, ain't getting things done, no time for it > between backups. > The time they use each year on backup you can write new code tenfold. ;D > muhaha What are you yammering on about? A simple cron job can do the backup while I sleep-- "Look ma... I work while I sleep!" Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
On Wednesday 06 August 2008 20:00:50 tedd wrote: > At 9:11 AM -0400 8/5/08, Daniel Brown wrote: > >On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Aschwin Wesselius > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I wouldn't like to loose my stuff, but I can't afford much for the best > >> solutions either. It's not that my job depends on it, but personal data > >> is a big loss too. > > > > Tell me about it. One of the sickest feelings in the world comes > >when you hear your hard drive start going "click click > >choke click" > > No question about it. > > That's the reason why I have three backup systems. One in my garage > in a fireproof safe that's in another fireproof safe; One hidden in > my house in another fireproof safe; And one attached to my main > computer that I backup everyday, or more often, which is stored (when > not in use) in a yet another waterproof and fireproof safe. (I'm big > on fireproof safes) All of which are protected by me and my guns. The > only way I'm going to lose any data is if my place is stuck by a > meteor. > > Sure it takes a lot of time to backup, but less than the alternative. I'm just gonna comment some here. Hell, it's a bitch to loose data, but I give you this... These "pro's" here, ain't getting things done, no time for it between backups. The time they use each year on backup you can write new code tenfold. ;D muhaha > > Cheers, > > tedd > > -- > --- > http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- --- Børge Holen http://www.arivene.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
At 9:11 AM -0400 8/5/08, Daniel Brown wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Aschwin Wesselius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I wouldn't like to loose my stuff, but I can't afford much for the best solutions either. It's not that my job depends on it, but personal data is a big loss too. Tell me about it. One of the sickest feelings in the world comes when you hear your hard drive start going "click click choke click" No question about it. That's the reason why I have three backup systems. One in my garage in a fireproof safe that's in another fireproof safe; One hidden in my house in another fireproof safe; And one attached to my main computer that I backup everyday, or more often, which is stored (when not in use) in a yet another waterproof and fireproof safe. (I'm big on fireproof safes) All of which are protected by me and my guns. The only way I'm going to lose any data is if my place is stuck by a meteor. Sure it takes a lot of time to backup, but less than the alternative. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
I'm on a shared host, I should have mentioned that. Thank you, Micah Gersten onShore Networks Internal Developer http://www.onshore.com Richard Heyes wrote: >> Seems like 1and1 screwed up their Apache installs. My site shows a >> blank page when I go to the domain, but when I go to index.php, it works. >> > > Doubt it's that. When I first got the server I reinstalled practically > everything. > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
> Seems like 1and1 screwed up their Apache installs. My site shows a > blank page when I go to the domain, but when I go to index.php, it works. Doubt it's that. When I first got the server I reinstalled practically everything. -- Richard Heyes http://www.phpguru.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
Seems like 1and1 screwed up their Apache installs. My site shows a blank page when I go to the domain, but when I go to index.php, it works. Thank you, Micah Gersten onShore Networks Internal Developer http://www.onshore.com Richard Heyes wrote: > Hi, > > Seems my 1and1 server has finally gone kaput taking my website with > it, and in the tradition of all good IT professionals, I have no > backups. :( So this is an appeal to you to ask if you have downloaded > anything from phpguru.org at all, could you please send it to me so I > can try to rebuild my site. > > A big thanks. > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
> Cheers mate! Don't worry, things could be worse! There's time yet... :-/ -- Richard Heyes http://www.phpguru.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
-Original Message- From: Robert Cummings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:40 PM To: Aschwin Wesselius Cc: Richard Heyes; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 14:07 +0200, Aschwin Wesselius wrote: > Richard Heyes wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Seems my 1and1 server has finally gone kaput taking my website with > > it, and in the tradition of all good IT professionals, I have no > > backups. :( So this is an appeal to you to ask if you have downloaded > > anything from phpguru.org at all, could you please send it to me so I > > can try to rebuild my site. > > > > A big thanks. > > Hi, > > What does Google cache has? And the Wayback Machine > (http://www.archive.org/)? Coral Cache? > > Bummer dude, but you've got to learn it once the hard time. On the other > hand, good backup solutions just cost a lot. Not to stick a finger in Richard's bleeding wound... but a 1TB hard-drive is less than $200 CAD. And you can get 6GB of Google mail for free if you're really feeling the pinch. 8GB USB thumb drives are around $30 CAD, and DVD blanks are like 25 cents a piece. I don't see the cost issue. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php OMG! Richard, so sorry to hear this. I have been like that, not having a backup at all. Now I have done my masterpiece about a year ago, and have it on backup on DVD at 4 different locations as well as 3 webservers, 1 USB stick and, as Rob pointed out, in my Gmail account. I know it's hard and can cost you quite a sum if you don't have backups at all (thank God my customers always sign a contract where it says that data backup is their responsibility, not mine). Once, it cost me 7.000 Euros :o( Sorry to say that I have never downloaded from your site, just wanted to give you a little pad on the shoulder. Sometimes it's not too bad to start from sratch (by god, i have done it many times until I learned about data backup *lol*) Cheers mate! Don't worry, things could be worse! Chris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 09:32 -0400, Daniel Brown wrote: > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Per Jessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I use two in every system. They're so cheap that it's not worth saving > > the expense. > > Yeah, now, thank God but remember, it wasn't always that way ;-P > > http://web.archive.org/web/19961110071252/http://www.maxtor.com/ > > When the DiamondMax drives first came out, they were a couple > hundred dollars each. I wanted to be the first guy on the block with > a terabyte RAID, but I bought a car instead. Choices, choices. One must live with the repercussions of said choices :) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 14:53 +0200, Aschwin Wesselius wrote: > Richard Heyes wrote: > > > >> I'm going to have a look at my browser cache. Maybe I find something. > >> > > > > Thanks. > I'm sorry Richard, seems that my browser doesn't hold the history long > enough. > > Forgive me to ask, but how come that you don't have much copies of your > work? Do you work straight on your server? > > I've got my editor (UltraEdit Studio) setup, that it makes a backup of > the file I'm editing every 5 minutes with a timestamp and the full path. > Besides that, we use SVN (wich is not that difficult to setup and manage). > > So, if your server is your food (so to speak), you'd better take a look > at the simple things that might rescue you some day. Nowadays there are > little NAS devices with RAID-0 support (like My Books from Western > Digital), that gives a good backup solution for a quick buck. Off > course, you can always step up to better solutions and methods. > > Doesn't your hosting provider has a backup facility? Maybe rent another > webserver (could be virtual) and mirror it with rsync? I don't know. > there must be something that suits your needs. > > I wouldn't like to loose my stuff, but I can't afford much for the best > solutions either. It's not that my job depends on it, but personal data > is a big loss too. Regardless of any backup solution... my stuff is usually in 3 different places: - my locale dev machine - CVS repository on my other machine - live deployment Now the database is a different matter. But Richard has mentioned he's missing CSS files. Even without a distinct CVS machine, his stuff could have been in 2 different places. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 14:07 +0200, Aschwin Wesselius wrote: > Richard Heyes wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Seems my 1and1 server has finally gone kaput taking my website with > > it, and in the tradition of all good IT professionals, I have no > > backups. :( So this is an appeal to you to ask if you have downloaded > > anything from phpguru.org at all, could you please send it to me so I > > can try to rebuild my site. > > > > A big thanks. > > Hi, > > What does Google cache has? And the Wayback Machine > (http://www.archive.org/)? Coral Cache? > > Bummer dude, but you've got to learn it once the hard time. On the other > hand, good backup solutions just cost a lot. Not to stick a finger in Richard's bleeding wound... but a 1TB hard-drive is less than $200 CAD. And you can get 6GB of Google mail for free if you're really feeling the pinch. 8GB USB thumb drives are around $30 CAD, and DVD blanks are like 25 cents a piece. I don't see the cost issue. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Richard Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>When the DiamondMax drives first came out, they were a couple >> hundred dollars each. I wanted to be the first guy on the block with >> a terabyte RAID, but I bought a car instead. > > I think I probably would rather have the HDDs. :/ Does that make me a geek? In hindsight, I'd rather have done the same. All the car got me was the ability to get back and forth from a job I didn't like, to take out the girlfriend and spend the money I didn't have, to incur more headaches that I didn't really need, and to get me that speeding ticket that I didn't really want. -- Better prices on dedicated servers: Intel 2.4GHz/60GB/512MB/2TB $49.99/mo. Intel 3.06GHz/80GB/1GB/2TB $59.99/mo. Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
>When the DiamondMax drives first came out, they were a couple > hundred dollars each. I wanted to be the first guy on the block with > a terabyte RAID, but I bought a car instead. I think I probably would rather have the HDDs. :/ Does that make me a geek? -- Richard Heyes http://www.phpguru.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
> Well.. I don't know about you and your empathy. But most of my sickest > feelings are caused by human behavior, Hah, you probably wouldn't want to know about my feelings for 1and1 now then... -- Richard Heyes http://www.phpguru.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Aschwin Wesselius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well.. I don't know about you and your empathy. But most of my sickest > feelings are caused by human behavior, not hardware.. Some acts come > from darker corners of a sick human mind, than the situations where Murphy's > laws are famous for. What the hell is "empathy?" Isn't that a brand of kids cereal? -- Better prices on dedicated servers: Intel 2.4GHz/60GB/512MB/2TB $49.99/mo. Intel 3.06GHz/80GB/1GB/2TB $59.99/mo. Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Per Jessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I use two in every system. They're so cheap that it's not worth saving > the expense. Yeah, now, thank God but remember, it wasn't always that way ;-P http://web.archive.org/web/19961110071252/http://www.maxtor.com/ When the DiamondMax drives first came out, they were a couple hundred dollars each. I wanted to be the first guy on the block with a terabyte RAID, but I bought a car instead. -- Better prices on dedicated servers: Intel 2.4GHz/60GB/512MB/2TB $49.99/mo. Intel 3.06GHz/80GB/1GB/2TB $59.99/mo. Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
Daniel Brown wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Aschwin Wesselius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I wouldn't like to loose my stuff, but I can't afford much for the best solutions either. It's not that my job depends on it, but personal data is a big loss too. Tell me about it. One of the sickest feelings in the world comes when you hear your hard drive start going "click click choke click" Well.. I don't know about you and your empathy. But most of my sickest feelings are caused by human behavior, not hardware.. Some acts come from darker corners of a sick human mind, than the situations where Murphy's laws are famous for. -- Aschwin Wesselius /'What you would like to be done to you, do that to the other'/
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
Daniel Brown wrote: > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Aschwin Wesselius > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I wouldn't like to loose my stuff, but I can't afford much for the >> best solutions either. It's not that my job depends on it, but >> personal data is a big loss too. > > Tell me about it. One of the sickest feelings in the world comes > when you hear your hard drive start going "click click > choke click" I use two in every system. They're so cheap that it's not worth saving the expense. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
>Tell me about it. One of the sickest feelings in the world comes > when you hear your hard drive start going "click click > choke click" I think the only reason I'm not sitting in a corner comatose is because I can't... :-) -- Richard Heyes http://www.phpguru.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Aschwin Wesselius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wouldn't like to loose my stuff, but I can't afford much for the best > solutions either. It's not that my job depends on it, but personal data is a > big loss too. Tell me about it. One of the sickest feelings in the world comes when you hear your hard drive start going "click click choke click" -- Better prices on dedicated servers: Intel 2.4GHz/60GB/512MB/2TB $49.99/mo. Intel 3.06GHz/80GB/1GB/2TB $59.99/mo. Intel 2.4GHz/320GB/1GB/3TB $74.99/mo. Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
> Forgive me to ask, but how come that you don't have much copies of your > work? Do you work straight on your server? I do, via WinSCP (now). This normally would be fine, except I haven't made any backups. Doh. > I've got my editor (UltraEdit Studio) setup, that it makes a backup of the > file I'm editing every 5 minutes with a timestamp and the full path. Besides > that, we use SVN (wich is not that difficult to setup and manage). Yes, fortunately my PEAR stuff is all fine since it is in (unsurprisingly) PEAR cvs. > So, if your server is your food (so to speak), you'd better take a look at > the simple things that might rescue you some day. Nowadays there are little > NAS devices with RAID-0 support (like My Books from Western Digital), that > gives a good backup solution for a quick buck. Off course, you can always > step up to better solutions and methods. I think from now on I'll be doing a million backups a day. Or, alternatively, one. > Doesn't your hosting provider has a backup facility? My hosting provider is 1and1. Cheap but, well, nuff said I think. > Maybe rent another > webserver (could be virtual) and mirror it with rsync? I don't know. > there must be something that suits your needs. That would work well I think. > I wouldn't like to loose my stuff, but I can't afford much for the best > solutions either. It's not that my job depends on it, but personal data is a > big loss too. Losing stuff sucks donkey d***. -- Richard Heyes http://www.phpguru.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
Richard Heyes wrote: I'm going to have a look at my browser cache. Maybe I find something. Thanks. I'm sorry Richard, seems that my browser doesn't hold the history long enough. Forgive me to ask, but how come that you don't have much copies of your work? Do you work straight on your server? I've got my editor (UltraEdit Studio) setup, that it makes a backup of the file I'm editing every 5 minutes with a timestamp and the full path. Besides that, we use SVN (wich is not that difficult to setup and manage). So, if your server is your food (so to speak), you'd better take a look at the simple things that might rescue you some day. Nowadays there are little NAS devices with RAID-0 support (like My Books from Western Digital), that gives a good backup solution for a quick buck. Off course, you can always step up to better solutions and methods. Doesn't your hosting provider has a backup facility? Maybe rent another webserver (could be virtual) and mirror it with rsync? I don't know. there must be something that suits your needs. I wouldn't like to loose my stuff, but I can't afford much for the best solutions either. It's not that my job depends on it, but personal data is a big loss too. -- Aschwin Wesselius /'What you would like to be done to you, do that to the other'/
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
Hi, > What does Google cache has? And the Wayback Machine > (http://www.archive.org/)? Coral Cache? Currently going through them. For some reason I've found a page with all CSS and JS intact. Odd, but fortunate. > I'm going to have a look at my browser cache. Maybe I find something. Thanks. -- Richard Heyes http://www.phpguru.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] An appeal to your better nature
Richard Heyes wrote: Hi, Seems my 1and1 server has finally gone kaput taking my website with it, and in the tradition of all good IT professionals, I have no backups. :( So this is an appeal to you to ask if you have downloaded anything from phpguru.org at all, could you please send it to me so I can try to rebuild my site. A big thanks. Hi, What does Google cache has? And the Wayback Machine (http://www.archive.org/)? Coral Cache? Bummer dude, but you've got to learn it once the hard time. On the other hand, good backup solutions just cost a lot. I'm going to have a look at my browser cache. Maybe I find something. -- Aschwin Wesselius /'What you would like to be done to you, do that to the other'/
