Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 16:06:23 +1100 Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 4:00 PM Duke Normandin > wrote: > > > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 15:53:56 +1100 > > Chris Angelico wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > > Good to know! This Pike noob was getting worried! It just > > > > seemed to me - at first glance - that Pike should be as > > > > popular in the Web development domain as Ruby for example. > > > > I was beginning to think that Pike was all but buried! > > > > > > Hmm, Pike's a bit more niche than Ruby, so it's never going > > > to be quite as popular or as visible. But it is incredibly > > > useful, and as such, won't die easily :) > > > > Out of curiosity, what IS Pike's niche? For some reason I always > > supposed that it was web back-ends. > > That and MUD servers, largely. It's also very good at eternal > uptime (since it makes on-the-fly updates easy). I use Pike for > my MUD server, my MUD client, my Twitch channel bot, and a > variety of other things. Of course, it's also a general-purpose > language with a rich standard library, so there'll be times when > it's the right choice even if it isn't specifically its niche > (for example, I have a savefile analyzer for Europa Universalis > IV written in Pike, partly to take advantage of socket services > and async I/O, and partly because of the LR Parser module). > > > BTW, IS there an IRC channel for Pike users? > > Not sure. I don't use IRC, other than for my Twitch bot. Awesome! So it seems to me that Pike should be able to give Ruby, PHP, Perl, Python etc a good run for their money in the Web backends domain. So what's kept it from being a strong contender? I'm just wondering what's wrong with ti? The docs? The community somehow? Poor marketing? Not noob friendly? What? I'm not trolling! I just want to get a sense of what Pike is all about and where its heading. TIA ... -- Duke
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 4:00 PM Duke Normandin wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 15:53:56 +1100 > Chris Angelico wrote: > > [snip] > > > > Good to know! This Pike noob was getting worried! It just > > > seemed to me - at first glance - that Pike should be as popular > > > in the Web development domain as Ruby for example. I was > > > beginning to think that Pike was all but buried! > > > > Hmm, Pike's a bit more niche than Ruby, so it's never going to be > > quite as popular or as visible. But it is incredibly useful, and > > as such, won't die easily :) > > Out of curiosity, what IS Pike's niche? For some reason I always > supposed that it was web back-ends. That and MUD servers, largely. It's also very good at eternal uptime (since it makes on-the-fly updates easy). I use Pike for my MUD server, my MUD client, my Twitch channel bot, and a variety of other things. Of course, it's also a general-purpose language with a rich standard library, so there'll be times when it's the right choice even if it isn't specifically its niche (for example, I have a savefile analyzer for Europa Universalis IV written in Pike, partly to take advantage of socket services and async I/O, and partly because of the LR Parser module). > BTW, IS there an IRC channel for Pike users? Not sure. I don't use IRC, other than for my Twitch bot. ChrisA
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 15:53:56 +1100 Chris Angelico wrote: [snip] > > Good to know! This Pike noob was getting worried! It just > > seemed to me - at first glance - that Pike should be as popular > > in the Web development domain as Ruby for example. I was > > beginning to think that Pike was all but buried! > > Hmm, Pike's a bit more niche than Ruby, so it's never going to be > quite as popular or as visible. But it is incredibly useful, and > as such, won't die easily :) Out of curiosity, what IS Pike's niche? For some reason I always supposed that it was web back-ends. BTW, IS there an IRC channel for Pike users? -- Duke
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 3:43 PM Duke Normandin wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 15:04:47 +1100 > Chris Angelico wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 2:57 PM Duke Normandin > > wrote: > > > > > > Long time passing ... > > > > > > Is this list/language THAT dead? > > > No community chatter? At all? No users? > > > > > > Maybe everybody is on IRC maybe? Is there an IRC Pike channel? > > > > > > > It's been pretty quiet here. The language itself still sees > > changes though, and I'm currently browsing the 34 commits since I > > last pulled. So the language isn't dead even if the mailing list > > is quiet. > > Good to know! This Pike noob was getting worried! It just seemed to > me - at first glance - that Pike should be as popular in the Web > development domain as Ruby for example. I was beginning to think > that Pike was all but buried! Hmm, Pike's a bit more niche than Ruby, so it's never going to be quite as popular or as visible. But it is incredibly useful, and as such, won't die easily :) ChrisA
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 15:04:47 +1100 Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 2:57 PM Duke Normandin > wrote: > > > > Long time passing ... > > > > Is this list/language THAT dead? > > No community chatter? At all? No users? > > > > Maybe everybody is on IRC maybe? Is there an IRC Pike channel? > > > > It's been pretty quiet here. The language itself still sees > changes though, and I'm currently browsing the 34 commits since I > last pulled. So the language isn't dead even if the mailing list > is quiet. Good to know! This Pike noob was getting worried! It just seemed to me - at first glance - that Pike should be as popular in the Web development domain as Ruby for example. I was beginning to think that Pike was all but buried! -- Duke
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 2:57 PM Duke Normandin wrote: > > Long time passing ... > > Is this list/language THAT dead? > No community chatter? At all? No users? > > Maybe everybody is on IRC maybe? Is there an IRC Pike channel? > It's been pretty quiet here. The language itself still sees changes though, and I'm currently browsing the 34 commits since I last pulled. So the language isn't dead even if the mailing list is quiet. ChrisA
Where have all the Pikers gone?
Long time passing ... Is this list/language THAT dead? No community chatter? At all? No users? Maybe everybody is on IRC maybe? Is there an IRC Pike channel? -- Duke
Re: Archives
On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 13:30:57 -0400 H William Welliver wrote: > https://www.mail-archive.com/pike@roxen.com/ Seems to work! Now for the historical stuff... Thx -- Duke Normandin
Re: Archives
Excellent info thank you! On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 1:20 PM Duke Normandin wrote: > On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 12:59:41 -0400 > H William Welliver wrote: > > > I noticed that pike-level already is already archived at The Mail > > Archive[1], so I’ve subscribed this list as well. If all goes > > well, I’ll also attempt to get the history added. > > > > If all goes well, they should be accessible here: > > > > https://www.mail-archive.com/pike@roxen.com/ > > Thx! Hope it works. Could give new users a boost if they knew they > could at least search the archives for solution for issues in using > Pike. Especially that the online tutorial is still rather > incomplete and unfinished. > -- > Duke > >
Re: Archives
I just sent a request off to have the archives loaded (minus the ~100 most ancient messages that were missing required mail headers). Will send an email when I hear something back. Bill > On Oct 7, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Duke Normandin wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 12:59:41 -0400 > H William Welliver wrote: > >> I noticed that pike-level already is already archived at The Mail >> Archive[1], so I’ve subscribed this list as well. If all goes >> well, I’ll also attempt to get the history added. >> >> If all goes well, they should be accessible here: >> >> https://www.mail-archive.com/pike@roxen.com/ > > Thx! Hope it works. Could give new users a boost if they knew they > could at least search the archives for solution for issues in using > Pike. Especially that the online tutorial is still rather > incomplete and unfinished. > -- > Duke >
Re: Archives
On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 12:59:41 -0400 H William Welliver wrote: > I noticed that pike-level already is already archived at The Mail > Archive[1], so I’ve subscribed this list as well. If all goes > well, I’ll also attempt to get the history added. > > If all goes well, they should be accessible here: > > https://www.mail-archive.com/pike@roxen.com/ Thx! Hope it works. Could give new users a boost if they knew they could at least search the archives for solution for issues in using Pike. Especially that the online tutorial is still rather incomplete and unfinished. -- Duke
