Re: Breakout: System Settings Improvements
Il 17-10-2016 18:47 Jonathan Riddell ha scritto: We had a discussion on System Settings at the meeting today which merited its own thread: * system settings direction and improvements (alex-l, ...) the most complained part for me is System Settings: newbies don't like it I like some of what Andreas is doing the lots of papercuts Note on SySe: Daniel Foré from Elementary OS had the idea to introduce a cross-DE URI scheme to let apps open precise system settings module. If SySe will adopt it, its complexity would be reduced and users would be able to find easily the settings related to the app they are using. As always the question is: there would be the manpower to implement it? but the problem is that the "let's fix system settings" attempts i see are always vague and high-level and end up being a rearrangement of marbles, instead of purpose-directed. for example, here's a real thing we need to fix in settings: the keyboard layout kcm needs to become an input languages kcm, so people can set up an IME in there easily to actually be able to type their lang. that's something we suck at that Gnome/Windows/Mac do well. but instead it's "maybe we mgraesslin thinks that part of the problem is that we constantly move things around because we think we finally found the ultimate solution Go ahead and discuss... I saw that apps on Android can open a certain "view" of system settings. We could let apps do the same but we should define a standard with other DEs, like Elementary. Another thing that could improve the usability of System Settings is making certain KCMs optional, for example keep Look&Feel and making Colors, Window deco, Style, desktop theme etc available for installation (or distros could choose to ship them by default). This is just an example, many KCMs aren't essential for Plasma, for example the ones about web navigation that I suppose have sense only if the user use Konqueror or Rekonq. -- Alessandro Longo
Re: Breakout: System Settings Improvements
Hi, as we discuss this already a long time now I think we should start from scratch with a complete new idea. cause if our ideas in the past would be good, we had finalized it. I'd like to discuss it in the VDG IRC / Telegram channel and add the results to https://notes.kde.org/p/SystemSettings thanks Andreas Am 17.10.2016 18:48 schrieb "Jonathan Riddell" : > We had a discussion on System Settings at the meeting today which > merited its own thread: > > * system settings direction and improvements (alex-l, ...) > the most complained part for me is System Settings: > newbies don't like it > I like some of what Andreas is doing > the lots of papercuts > Note on SySe: Daniel Foré from Elementary OS had the > idea to introduce a cross-DE URI scheme to let apps open precise > system settings module. If SySe will adopt it, its complexity would be > reduced and users would be able to find easily the settings related to > the app they are using. As always the question is: there would be the > manpower to implement it? > but the problem is that the "let's fix system settings" > attempts i see are always vague and high-level and end up being a > rearrangement of marbles, instead of purpose-directed. for example, > here's a real thing we need to fix in settings: the keyboard layout > kcm needs to become an input languages kcm, so people can set up an > IME in there easily to actually be able to type their lang. that's > something we suck at that Gnome/Windows/Mac do well. but instead it's > "maybe we > mgraesslin thinks that part of the problem is that we constantly > move things around because we think we finally found the ultimate > solution > > Go ahead and discuss... >
Breakout: System Settings Improvements
We had a discussion on System Settings at the meeting today which merited its own thread: * system settings direction and improvements (alex-l, ...) the most complained part for me is System Settings: newbies don't like it I like some of what Andreas is doing the lots of papercuts Note on SySe: Daniel Foré from Elementary OS had the idea to introduce a cross-DE URI scheme to let apps open precise system settings module. If SySe will adopt it, its complexity would be reduced and users would be able to find easily the settings related to the app they are using. As always the question is: there would be the manpower to implement it? but the problem is that the "let's fix system settings" attempts i see are always vague and high-level and end up being a rearrangement of marbles, instead of purpose-directed. for example, here's a real thing we need to fix in settings: the keyboard layout kcm needs to become an input languages kcm, so people can set up an IME in there easily to actually be able to type their lang. that's something we suck at that Gnome/Windows/Mac do well. but instead it's "maybe we mgraesslin thinks that part of the problem is that we constantly move things around because we think we finally found the ultimate solution Go ahead and discuss...
