[PLUG] Thanks for listening tonight!

[MJang]

Hi, 

I wanted to thank everyone who listened to me this evening. You laughed
when I hoped, you were attentive, you peppered me with great
questions! 

You've given me the confidence to represent you and Portland (etc) at
OSCON next month. 

At the risk of Michael asking me "when", let me say, I hope to speak to
PLUG again in the future :)

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [PLUG] Install Horde from RPMS...

[Michael Christopher Robinson]

On Thu, 2017-04-06 at 21:55 -0700, Ali Corbin wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Michael Christopher Robinson <
> mich...@robinson-west.com> wrote:
> 
> > Anyone have tips on installing Horde Webmail edition on a CentOS 7
> > server via yum?  A couple of concerns, the version of php that
> > CentOS 7
> > uses is old as is the version of apache that CentOS 7 uses.  The
> > version of openssl that CentOS 7 uses is old too.  I'm concerned
> > about
> > heartbleed among other things.  Can you create rpms from pear?
> > 
> 
> RedHat is good about backporting security fixes into their older,
> stable
> versions of rpms.  And then CentOS gets them from them.
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How does PHP-5.6.30 compare to the stock PHP in CentOS 7?
Similarly, CentOS 7 does not use the latest openssl.  Is
the openssl that CentOS 7 has out of the box safe?
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Re: [PLUG] Install Horde from RPMS...

[Ali Corbin]

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Michael Christopher Robinson <
mich...@robinson-west.com> wrote:

> Anyone have tips on installing Horde Webmail edition on a CentOS 7
> server via yum?  A couple of concerns, the version of php that CentOS 7
> uses is old as is the version of apache that CentOS 7 uses.  The
> version of openssl that CentOS 7 uses is old too.  I'm concerned about
> heartbleed among other things.  Can you create rpms from pear?
>

RedHat is good about backporting security fixes into their older, stable
versions of rpms.  And then CentOS gets them from them.
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[PLUG] Install Horde from RPMS...

[Michael Christopher Robinson]

Anyone have tips on installing Horde Webmail edition on a CentOS 7
server via yum?  A couple of concerns, the version of php that CentOS 7
uses is old as is the version of apache that CentOS 7 uses.  The
version of openssl that CentOS 7 uses is old too.  I'm concerned about
heartbleed among other things.  Can you create rpms from pear?
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Re: [PLUG] USB enclosures

[Chuck Hast]

What drives me up a wall is seeing houses wired with Romex and it is stapled
down to the wood. If you have to pull that sucker out you have to tear the
whole wall out to get to it and remove it, I have also seen staples that
broke
through the insolation enough that especially in warm climates the remaining
plastic isolation would migrate, you get a short and either the breaker
opens
or the short is a hot short but does not pull enough current to toss the
breaker
but now you have a hot spot or fire... I replaced all of that with conduit
and
stranded wire, solid wire is another thing that I have never understood I
do not
believe that I have been in another country where they allowed solid wire,
only in our country. When I lived in Costa Rica, solid wire was banned, same
went for Mexico, and I do not recall seeing it in the other countries I
live in
either.

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Erik Lane  wrote:

> I think the biggest benefit to the inspections (for me) is when I move into
> a house that I know nothing about. Especially for plumbing and electrical,
> I want to know that the work was at least looked at by a third party that
> knows their stuff. (Though I guess for roofing and structural it's also
> pretty important.) I've seen some CRAZY stuff out there, and anything
> hidden inside a wall will likely stay that way until it comes out to bite
> you. No way to inspect for that when you're buying a house...
>
> Yes, when I'm doing my own work and know it's good it's a hassle to bother
> with the permit and inspections, but in that case I think of it mainly as
> protecting people down the road. (They have no way of knowing that I do
> quality work, except that it passed inspection.)
>
> I like that idea of having lighting on its own panel and so many separate
> circuits for different things in preparation for solar. It would sure give
> you fine-grained control! Never going to happen at this house, though.
> Reworking everything and tearing it apart just doesn't make sense unless I
> was going to get into all the walls anyway, and of course I'm not planning
> to. (Knock on wood. :)  )
>
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>
> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Chuck Hast  wrote:
>
> > Exactly, most of my electrical work has been industrial, one receptacle
> per
> > breaker type work. When I went in to redo the home in Tampa, I found as
> > many as 6 receptacles per breaker, needless to say I fixed that because
> of
> > the same issue, wife can always find the receptacle that has a big load
> on
> > it and plug something else in and toss the breaker. So when I rewired it
> I
> > put
> > one receptacle/breaker. 12Ga wire and 20 amp service to all of them, used
> > industrial grade receptacles (20amp) so had no issues with her doing her
> > thing on ONE but each had its own breaker. The lighting I put on a
> separate
> > panel as I was planning on that being the first part to go solar. I had
> > moved
> > to all CFL and was starting to move to LED. I had the power consumption
> > for lighting down to 400 watts with both all inside and outside (had some
> > 150W
> > CFLs) normal operations, I would see between 25 and 50W of pull with a
> > normal set of lights on in the home at any given time. Most of the time
> it
> > was
> > at or below the 25W level.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:15 AM, Dick Steffens 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 04/06/2017 07:56 AM, Chuck Hast wrote:
> > > > Yea, I keep on forgetting that for a lot of things out here you need
> a
> > > > permit. The
> > > > one thing I miss about FL. I replaced all of the wiring in one house
> > had
> > > a
> > > > good
> > > > electrician friend come over took a look at it said it was ABOVE spec
> > and
> > > > gave
> > > > it his blessing. I understand when it is a commercial job or
> something
> > > like
> > > > a res-
> > > > idential rewire ( I was getting my place ready to add solar panels
> and
> > > > separate
> > > > the low power consumption parts from the high power consumers) but
> even
> > > > then to demand a permit for everything is just way beyond what I see
> as
> > > > good.
> > > >
> > > > Bureaucracy run wild.
> > >
> > > There's a good side to the permit/inspection bureaucracy, as well as
> the
> > > annoying side. It's an insurance plus to have had a permit/inspection
> if
> > > something goes wrong down the road. On the other hand, I know that some
> > > things that are "to code" aren't as good as what I want. And while what
> > > I want isn't against the code, it's also not what a typical electrician
> > > would do. Back in the '90s my wife and I volunteered with Habitat for
> > > Humanity on a project in Aloha. A 

Re: [PLUG] USB enclosures

[Erik Lane]

I think the biggest benefit to the inspections (for me) is when I move into
a house that I know nothing about. Especially for plumbing and electrical,
I want to know that the work was at least looked at by a third party that
knows their stuff. (Though I guess for roofing and structural it's also
pretty important.) I've seen some CRAZY stuff out there, and anything
hidden inside a wall will likely stay that way until it comes out to bite
you. No way to inspect for that when you're buying a house...

Yes, when I'm doing my own work and know it's good it's a hassle to bother
with the permit and inspections, but in that case I think of it mainly as
protecting people down the road. (They have no way of knowing that I do
quality work, except that it passed inspection.)

I like that idea of having lighting on its own panel and so many separate
circuits for different things in preparation for solar. It would sure give
you fine-grained control! Never going to happen at this house, though.
Reworking everything and tearing it apart just doesn't make sense unless I
was going to get into all the walls anyway, and of course I'm not planning
to. (Knock on wood. :)  )


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On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Chuck Hast  wrote:

> Exactly, most of my electrical work has been industrial, one receptacle per
> breaker type work. When I went in to redo the home in Tampa, I found as
> many as 6 receptacles per breaker, needless to say I fixed that because of
> the same issue, wife can always find the receptacle that has a big load on
> it and plug something else in and toss the breaker. So when I rewired it I
> put
> one receptacle/breaker. 12Ga wire and 20 amp service to all of them, used
> industrial grade receptacles (20amp) so had no issues with her doing her
> thing on ONE but each had its own breaker. The lighting I put on a separate
> panel as I was planning on that being the first part to go solar. I had
> moved
> to all CFL and was starting to move to LED. I had the power consumption
> for lighting down to 400 watts with both all inside and outside (had some
> 150W
> CFLs) normal operations, I would see between 25 and 50W of pull with a
> normal set of lights on in the home at any given time. Most of the time it
> was
> at or below the 25W level.
>
> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:15 AM, Dick Steffens 
> wrote:
>
> > On 04/06/2017 07:56 AM, Chuck Hast wrote:
> > > Yea, I keep on forgetting that for a lot of things out here you need a
> > > permit. The
> > > one thing I miss about FL. I replaced all of the wiring in one house
> had
> > a
> > > good
> > > electrician friend come over took a look at it said it was ABOVE spec
> and
> > > gave
> > > it his blessing. I understand when it is a commercial job or something
> > like
> > > a res-
> > > idential rewire ( I was getting my place ready to add solar panels and
> > > separate
> > > the low power consumption parts from the high power consumers) but even
> > > then to demand a permit for everything is just way beyond what I see as
> > > good.
> > >
> > > Bureaucracy run wild.
> >
> > There's a good side to the permit/inspection bureaucracy, as well as the
> > annoying side. It's an insurance plus to have had a permit/inspection if
> > something goes wrong down the road. On the other hand, I know that some
> > things that are "to code" aren't as good as what I want. And while what
> > I want isn't against the code, it's also not what a typical electrician
> > would do. Back in the '90s my wife and I volunteered with Habitat for
> > Humanity on a project in Aloha. A retired Westinghouse electrical
> > engineer (power) was the site supervisor, and an electrician who was a
> > member of the sponsoring church consulted. After a little instruction on
> > things I had never done (heavy cable and the use of the grease on the
> > connection fittings) we wired 10 houses from the meter base on the side
> > of the house in. The engineer and I designed the wiring so that there
> > were two different 20 amp circuits in each of the four bedrooms. (Not
> > that there were just the two outlets in that room were the only outlets
> > on one circuit. The same two circuits served two rooms.) This was done
> > because the typical family had six or more members, (Mom, Dad, and four
> > kids) and one bathroom. So there could be up to four or five hair driers
> > running in the morning. Anyway, Habitat had an electrical contractor
> > wire another one of the houses. The electricians didn't follow our plan,
> > but did their typical run. That put too many outlets on one circuit for
> > the need. It was to code, but not what was needed. So, yes. A good idea
> > to make sure the wiring meets 

Re: [PLUG] New vim highlight problem

[Paul Mullen]

On Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 01:14:23PM -0400, Paul Heinlein wrote:
> Give the tastefully named Paul Mullen a cigar! That did it. Many
> thanks!

All in a day's work, sir!


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[PLUG] Thursday PLUG Meeting: Microcopy: The Art of User Interface Text

[Michael Dexter]

Portland Linux/Unix Group General Meeting Announcement

Who: Mike Jang
What: Microcopy: The Art of User Interface Text
Where: PSU, 1930 SW 4th Ave. Room FAB 86-01 (Lower Level)
When: Thursday, April 6th, 2017 at 7pm
Why: The pursuit of technology freedom
Stream: http://pdxlinux.org/live

No one in fact wants to Read The Fine Manual. Adding a user should not 
require a manual and developers insist they don't need one. This puts 
the burden on the web and desktop UI designer who must be extremely 
communicative with only a handful of words.

This talk will walk you through lessons learned writing Microcopy in 
applications of all sizes.


As a senior technical writer for ForgeRock, Mike Jang spends much of his 
time documenting how deployers can modify JavaScript to customize web 
applications. He has also written a couple dozen technical books, mostly 
focused on Linux certification, and is the author of O’Reilly’s Linux 
Annoyances for Geeks.


Calagator Page: http://calagator.org/events/1250471538

Many will head to the Lucky Lab at 1945 NW Quimby St. after the meeting.

Rideshares to the Lucky Lab available

PLUG Page with information about all PLUG events: http://pdxlinux.org/
Follow PLUG on Twitter: http://twitter.com/pdxlinux

PLUG is open to everyone and does not tolerate abusive behavior on its 
mailing lists or at its meetings.

See you there!

Michael Dexter
PLUG Volunteer

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Re: [PLUG] New vim highlight problem

[Paul Heinlein]

On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Paul Mullen wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 04:50:58PM -0400, Paul Heinlein wrote:
>> Regardless of the 'filetype' or 'syntax' setting of the editing
>> window (e.g., dosini, perl, puppet, sh), I'm getting stray
>> highlighting on strings that match this regex:
>>
>>=.*$
>
> Have you taken a look at your ~/.viminfo file?  Moving that file out
> of the way (and letting vim create a fresh copy) is my first resort
> when attempting to troubleshoot vim.  It stores all of your run-time
> history in that file (searches, undo stack, etc.).

Give the tastefully named Paul Mullen a cigar! That did it. Many 
thanks!

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Re: [PLUG] USB enclosures

[Chuck Hast]

Exactly, most of my electrical work has been industrial, one receptacle per
breaker type work. When I went in to redo the home in Tampa, I found as
many as 6 receptacles per breaker, needless to say I fixed that because of
the same issue, wife can always find the receptacle that has a big load on
it and plug something else in and toss the breaker. So when I rewired it I
put
one receptacle/breaker. 12Ga wire and 20 amp service to all of them, used
industrial grade receptacles (20amp) so had no issues with her doing her
thing on ONE but each had its own breaker. The lighting I put on a separate
panel as I was planning on that being the first part to go solar. I had
moved
to all CFL and was starting to move to LED. I had the power consumption
for lighting down to 400 watts with both all inside and outside (had some
150W
CFLs) normal operations, I would see between 25 and 50W of pull with a
normal set of lights on in the home at any given time. Most of the time it
was
at or below the 25W level.

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:15 AM, Dick Steffens  wrote:

> On 04/06/2017 07:56 AM, Chuck Hast wrote:
> > Yea, I keep on forgetting that for a lot of things out here you need a
> > permit. The
> > one thing I miss about FL. I replaced all of the wiring in one house had
> a
> > good
> > electrician friend come over took a look at it said it was ABOVE spec and
> > gave
> > it his blessing. I understand when it is a commercial job or something
> like
> > a res-
> > idential rewire ( I was getting my place ready to add solar panels and
> > separate
> > the low power consumption parts from the high power consumers) but even
> > then to demand a permit for everything is just way beyond what I see as
> > good.
> >
> > Bureaucracy run wild.
>
> There's a good side to the permit/inspection bureaucracy, as well as the
> annoying side. It's an insurance plus to have had a permit/inspection if
> something goes wrong down the road. On the other hand, I know that some
> things that are "to code" aren't as good as what I want. And while what
> I want isn't against the code, it's also not what a typical electrician
> would do. Back in the '90s my wife and I volunteered with Habitat for
> Humanity on a project in Aloha. A retired Westinghouse electrical
> engineer (power) was the site supervisor, and an electrician who was a
> member of the sponsoring church consulted. After a little instruction on
> things I had never done (heavy cable and the use of the grease on the
> connection fittings) we wired 10 houses from the meter base on the side
> of the house in. The engineer and I designed the wiring so that there
> were two different 20 amp circuits in each of the four bedrooms. (Not
> that there were just the two outlets in that room were the only outlets
> on one circuit. The same two circuits served two rooms.) This was done
> because the typical family had six or more members, (Mom, Dad, and four
> kids) and one bathroom. So there could be up to four or five hair driers
> running in the morning. Anyway, Habitat had an electrical contractor
> wire another one of the houses. The electricians didn't follow our plan,
> but did their typical run. That put too many outlets on one circuit for
> the need. It was to code, but not what was needed. So, yes. A good idea
> to make sure the wiring meets code, but being able to do it yourself so
> you get what you want is a major benefit.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Dick Steffens
>
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Re: [PLUG] USB enclosures

[Dick Steffens]

On 04/06/2017 07:56 AM, Chuck Hast wrote:
> Yea, I keep on forgetting that for a lot of things out here you need a
> permit. The
> one thing I miss about FL. I replaced all of the wiring in one house had a
> good
> electrician friend come over took a look at it said it was ABOVE spec and
> gave
> it his blessing. I understand when it is a commercial job or something like
> a res-
> idential rewire ( I was getting my place ready to add solar panels and
> separate
> the low power consumption parts from the high power consumers) but even
> then to demand a permit for everything is just way beyond what I see as
> good.
>
> Bureaucracy run wild.

There's a good side to the permit/inspection bureaucracy, as well as the 
annoying side. It's an insurance plus to have had a permit/inspection if 
something goes wrong down the road. On the other hand, I know that some 
things that are "to code" aren't as good as what I want. And while what 
I want isn't against the code, it's also not what a typical electrician 
would do. Back in the '90s my wife and I volunteered with Habitat for 
Humanity on a project in Aloha. A retired Westinghouse electrical 
engineer (power) was the site supervisor, and an electrician who was a 
member of the sponsoring church consulted. After a little instruction on 
things I had never done (heavy cable and the use of the grease on the 
connection fittings) we wired 10 houses from the meter base on the side 
of the house in. The engineer and I designed the wiring so that there 
were two different 20 amp circuits in each of the four bedrooms. (Not 
that there were just the two outlets in that room were the only outlets 
on one circuit. The same two circuits served two rooms.) This was done 
because the typical family had six or more members, (Mom, Dad, and four 
kids) and one bathroom. So there could be up to four or five hair driers 
running in the morning. Anyway, Habitat had an electrical contractor 
wire another one of the houses. The electricians didn't follow our plan, 
but did their typical run. That put too many outlets on one circuit for 
the need. It was to code, but not what was needed. So, yes. A good idea 
to make sure the wiring meets code, but being able to do it yourself so 
you get what you want is a major benefit.

-- 
Regards,

Dick Steffens

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Re: [PLUG] USB enclosures

[Chuck Hast]

Yea, I keep on forgetting that for a lot of things out here you need a
permit. The
one thing I miss about FL. I replaced all of the wiring in one house had a
good
electrician friend come over took a look at it said it was ABOVE spec and
gave
it his blessing. I understand when it is a commercial job or something like
a res-
idential rewire ( I was getting my place ready to add solar panels and
separate
the low power consumption parts from the high power consumers) but even
then to demand a permit for everything is just way beyond what I see as
good.

Bureaucracy run wild.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:30 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 16:06:21 -0700
> Chuck Hast  dijo:
>
> >I guess one thing about the parallel wiring system usually you use a
> >make after break double throw switch so you cannot put power on the
> >mains.
> >
> >The switch is designed such that it cannot make both contacts at the
> >same time. I wonder why you did not go that route?
>
> I considered the idea of a double throw switch, but rejected it because
> it would require a permit, and I doubt I could talk my way out of it.
> Moreover, it would require working with really fat wires, which I hate.
> I would probably end up hiring an electrician, and those people are not
> cheap.
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