Re: [PLUG] Debian 12 on VirtualBox

[Nat Taylor]

Another option might be to install Gnome Boxes
https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-boxes/stable/

On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 12:12 PM John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 14:01:09 -0400
> Tomas Kuchta  dijo:
>
> >On Thu, Sep 14, 2023, 13:13 John Jason Jordan  wrote:
> >
> >> ... snip ...
> >Before someone takes the trouble to point out to me that to make shared
> >> folders work you need to have VirtualBox, the Guest Additions, and
> >> the Extensions all installed, and each of the same version. Yes, I
> >> do have all of them installed, and they're all the same version.
> >> That is, they're installed in the 22.04 host, but not Debian,
> >> because they're not in the existing default Debian repositories.
>
> >You may not want to try yet another vbox fix, me neither, so to that
> >end I install both vbox + additions from virtualbox.org, not from the
> >distro repositories. Virtualbox.org also host update repositories, so
> >nothing breaks over and over after updates.
> >
> >This (above) has saved me a lot of anxiety, wasted time, . anyway.
>
> I had already thought of that, but hadn't yet tried it. So just now I
> did so, installing 7.0, plus 7.0 guest additions on the host and 7.0
> guest additions on the guest, and still nada.
>
> But if you notice my reply to wes, I have now successfully logged into
> one of my two Synology NAS machines, so shared folders are no longer
> worth wasting more time on. Nevertheless, from now on I'm going to
> follow your advice and install from Oracle. :)
>

Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu LTS upgrade timing

[Nat Taylor]

Huh, you’re right.  I swear I looked that up before, I musta saw the x20
release date or something.  So much for the “my laptop is 20 years old and
I need to upgrade” excuse I used.  11 years old is still pretty old…. And
thanks to whoever sold me that thing from this list, it has served me well,
and I will recommend an x series any time!

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 11:43 AM Tomas Kuchta 
wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 13:47 Nat Taylor  wrote:
>
> > Of some relevance may be Rolling Rhino coming up, and another
> > alternative that has kept my 20 year old Lenovo x220 chugging along, is
> > plain old vanilla Arch Linux, with its rolling release.
> > .
>
>
> I understand what you are saying, BUT, as former Thinkpad x220 owner - I
> must object!
>
> X220 was released in 2011, today is year 2022 ==> not quite 20 years yet.
>
> Since you are visiting from 2031, would you be willing to share some
> details about stock prices, lottery numbers, etc? In private please!
>
> LOL,
> -T
>
> >
>

Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu LTS upgrade timing

[Nat Taylor]

If you don’t have a lot of weird stuff installed, the upgrades should be
painless, and are usually more painless if you do them relatively soon,
late enough for the kinks to be found, but not long enough for stuff to get
too old, that’s when the real issues come up, often a case of key servers
and whatnot.  Of some relevance may be Rolling Rhino coming up, and another
alternative that has kept my 20 year old Lenovo x220 chugging along, is
plain old vanilla Arch Linux, with its rolling release.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 10:38 AM ANTHONY SCHLEMMER 
wrote:

> I am facing the same issue. I my own a laptop running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. I
> know is still good until April of 2026 and I do not want to upgrade if I
> can help it. I am running the same version of Ubuntu under Virtual Box for
> work and my work laptop is Windows 10.
>
> I guess I should store all of my critical data which I have done in the
> past and start from scratch to my upgrade to a newer version of LTS. My
> work laptop lease rolls every three years so hopefully the IT support folks
> give me access my old laptop over our network to copy all of the file for
> Virtual Box over to my new laptop.
>
> Tony
>
> > On 04/13/2022 8:22 PM Keith Lofstrom  wrote:
> >
> >
> > After decades of Redhat/CentOS (and recent unwelcome IBM
> > "stream" ephemeralizations, opposite of LTS) I am
> > transitioning my systems to Mate-Ubuntu LTS.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Questions for you folks with years of Ubuntu experience:
> >
> > 1) How easy/fraught is a dist-upgrade, say 16.04 to 20.04?
> >
> > 2) Should I wait for 22.04.1 (estimated 3+ months from
> > now) before playing with 22.04 Jammy?
> >
> > 
> >
> > 22.04 Jammy is in beta, and allegedly full release in a few
> > days, but experiments with the beta haven't worked well.
> > I have two test machines running 20.04.4 Focal; those work
> > reliably.  I hope to complete my transitions "soon", rather
> > than create more content using CentOS.
> >
> > I prefer to install distros with (eventually) two more years
> > years of LTS/Security updates, but not if that is more work
> > now than a major dist-upgrade later ... for example, moving
> > all systems from 20.04.x to 26.04.1 in 4.3 years.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > Note: as my predilection for Mate attests, I have no
> > interest in fashionable user interfaces.  Most of my
> > hardware and content and creations are also "classic
> > hack".  Terabyte solid state drives in 20 yo laptops
> > containing some documents and images I created 50 yo.
> > Some will transform the world a century from now.
> >
> > --
> > Keith Lofstrom  kei...@keithl.com
>

Re: [PLUG] Replacement laptop

[Nat Taylor]

I have had good luck with used laptops.  You have to assume that you're
gonna buy a new battery, and maybe a hard drive.  Run a bunch of tests on
it, and use the keyboard and trackpad a bunch before you buy it in person,
or get a trial period.  They are cheap enough on ebay you could fix a lot.
How about this one, $500, from a seller with a great reputation.  You could
probably do better if you looked harder, but this is not a bad deal, and it
should run linux fine.  I'd buy a bigger hard drive.  Wonder if those take
two...?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/294771954585

30 day free returns.

The trackpad on the used ASUS I bought is a little wonky, but I see a new
one from ASUS for $29.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 5:30 PM TomasK  wrote:

> Lenovo Thinkpad T14 and X13s are supported on linux - you can even get
> some of them with linux preinstalled.
>
> I usually aim for newest supported HW to extend useful live - so, the
> last time I ended up paying MS tax, but I still get bios updates via
> fwupdmgr and everything working without issues.
>
> I cannot recommend Dells shipping with Linux right now - they ended up
> being devoid of even basic number of USB ports recently. If you do not
> need more than 1 or 2 USB-C ports (one taken by the charger) - and can
> receive Fed-Ex delivery (I cannot - no office front) - Dell's XPS13 are
> pretty nice computers too.
>
>  ... there are more linux laptops out there -though I did not try them.
>
> Tomas
>
> On Fri, 2022-02-25 at 08:32 -0800, Rich Shepard wrote:
> > I think it's time to replace my Dell Latitude E5410 since it's giving
> > me
> > fits installing Slackware64-15.0. It's run Slackware since about
> > 2010,
> > upgraded as new releases became available, but now it has major
> > issues with
> > the new release and a full, clean installation. (My Lenovo ThinkPad
> > X200 has
> > no issues with 15.0 but is too limited as a portable work station.)
> >
> > I'm looking at Dell and Lenovo ThinkPads, 13"-14" screens preferred,
> > but I
> > accept that 15"+ are now the most common. I also want to spend as
> > little as
> > necessary to get a reliable laptop that will last like the Dell and
> > X200
> > have.
> >
> > Recommendations and suggestions solicited.
> >
> > Rich
>

Re: [PLUG] Replacement laptop

[Nat Taylor]

I just bought an ASUS TUF for the graphics card, but my X220 is still going
strong and the battery (that I bough maybe 5 years ago) is still going
strong, so if I replace that laptop, I’ll go for another used Thinkpad.
The ASUS ultrabooks also looked like a good choice potentially.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 10:58 AM Nat Taylor  wrote:

> How about an X1 Carbon or an XPS 13?
>
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 9:31 AM Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022, Randy Bush wrote:
>>
>> >> What company makes a laptop named FrameWork?
>> >
>> > https://frame.work/  :)
>>
>> Randy,
>>
>> Of course. :-)
>>
>> Above my budget (for the DIY) but looks really good.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rich
>>
>

Re: [PLUG] Replacement laptop

[Nat Taylor]

How about an X1 Carbon or an XPS 13?

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 9:31 AM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022, Randy Bush wrote:
>
> >> What company makes a laptop named FrameWork?
> >
> > https://frame.work/  :)
>
> Randy,
>
> Of course. :-)
>
> Above my budget (for the DIY) but looks really good.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich
>

Re: [PLUG] Audacity .aup3

[Nat Taylor]

Oops, snapd not snapdragon!
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:24 PM Nat Taylor  wrote:

> Snap has Audacity 3.0.2, if snapdragon isn’t automatically installed with
> XUbuntu, it’s in the base repos.
> https://snapcraft.io/audacity
> And 3.0.4 is available in Flatpak
> https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.audacityteam.Audacity
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:59 PM Tomas Kuchta 
> wrote:
>
>> Here is fairly unbiased description of what is going on with Audacity.
>>
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/audacitys-new-owner-is-in-another-fight-with-the-open-source-community/
>>
>> -Tomas
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 19:06 Dick Steffens  wrote:
>>
>> > On 9/22/21 3:52 PM, King Beowulf wrote:
>> > > On 9/22/21 14:41, Dick Steffens wrote:
>> > >> Anybody using Audacity? I had to use a Win10 machine to do some
>> > >> recording this morning. When I got home I went to copy the .aup file
>> and
>> > >> directory to my Xubuntu machine. What I found was there isn't a .aup
>> > >> file and folder, but instead a .aup3 file. I went back to the Win10
>> > >> machine and tried to save as the old version, but that feature is not
>> > >> available.
>> > >>
>> > >>   From https://fileinfo.com/extension/aup3 it looks like this
>> happened
>> > >> back in March of this year. I have version 2.3.3. The Win10 machine
>> has
>> > >> version 3.0.4. Synaptic does not show version 3 on my Xubuntu
>> machine. I
>> > >> hesitate to download the Linux version of 3 without knowing what will
>> > >> happen to my existing Audacity projects done with 2.3.3.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > According to the Audacity wiki, audacity-3.x will read and convert
>> .aup
>> > > to .aup3 without issues.
>> >
>> > I see that. My issue is using audacity-2 with a .aup3 file. Can't be
>> > done, and the reason is pretty obvious, since they switched to SQLite.
>> >
>> > > Personally I never bothered with aup. I keep it all as either lossless
>> > > FLAC or uncompressed PCM WAV. That way, portability is assured. I can
>> > > easily enough convert to other formats with either audacity or a
>> myriad
>> > > other tools.
>> >
>> > I decided to export the files on the Win10 machine to .wav, and then
>> > import them to audacity 2 on my Xubuntu machine. That worked. I was able
>> > to fuss with the audio a bit to my satisfaction, and then export them to
>> > .mp3, plus save the projects.
>> >
>> > > Your Xubuntu may too old have an older wxGTK or other libraries in the
>> > > repos that are not compatible with audacity-3.0.4.  Compiling 3.x has
>> > > become a bit of a hassle.
>> > >
>> >
>> > It's Xubuntu 20.04, and I've kept up with the updates.
>> >
>> > There appear to be some concerns about Audacity being "incompatible with
>> > the GPL license" as noted at:
>> >
>> >
>> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/03/install-audacity-3-0-0-ubuntu-20-04-flatpak/
>> >
>> > Flat who now? Yet another tool taking over other, as far as I know,
>> > perfectly good tools. Sigh.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Dick Steffens
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>

Re: [PLUG] Audacity .aup3

[Nat Taylor]

Snap has Audacity 3.0.2, if snapdragon isn’t automatically installed with
XUbuntu, it’s in the base repos.
https://snapcraft.io/audacity
And 3.0.4 is available in Flatpak
https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.audacityteam.Audacity


On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:59 PM Tomas Kuchta 
wrote:

> Here is fairly unbiased description of what is going on with Audacity.
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/audacitys-new-owner-is-in-another-fight-with-the-open-source-community/
>
> -Tomas
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 19:06 Dick Steffens  wrote:
>
> > On 9/22/21 3:52 PM, King Beowulf wrote:
> > > On 9/22/21 14:41, Dick Steffens wrote:
> > >> Anybody using Audacity? I had to use a Win10 machine to do some
> > >> recording this morning. When I got home I went to copy the .aup file
> and
> > >> directory to my Xubuntu machine. What I found was there isn't a .aup
> > >> file and folder, but instead a .aup3 file. I went back to the Win10
> > >> machine and tried to save as the old version, but that feature is not
> > >> available.
> > >>
> > >>   From https://fileinfo.com/extension/aup3 it looks like this
> happened
> > >> back in March of this year. I have version 2.3.3. The Win10 machine
> has
> > >> version 3.0.4. Synaptic does not show version 3 on my Xubuntu
> machine. I
> > >> hesitate to download the Linux version of 3 without knowing what will
> > >> happen to my existing Audacity projects done with 2.3.3.
> > >>
> > >
> > > According to the Audacity wiki, audacity-3.x will read and convert .aup
> > > to .aup3 without issues.
> >
> > I see that. My issue is using audacity-2 with a .aup3 file. Can't be
> > done, and the reason is pretty obvious, since they switched to SQLite.
> >
> > > Personally I never bothered with aup. I keep it all as either lossless
> > > FLAC or uncompressed PCM WAV. That way, portability is assured. I can
> > > easily enough convert to other formats with either audacity or a myriad
> > > other tools.
> >
> > I decided to export the files on the Win10 machine to .wav, and then
> > import them to audacity 2 on my Xubuntu machine. That worked. I was able
> > to fuss with the audio a bit to my satisfaction, and then export them to
> > .mp3, plus save the projects.
> >
> > > Your Xubuntu may too old have an older wxGTK or other libraries in the
> > > repos that are not compatible with audacity-3.0.4.  Compiling 3.x has
> > > become a bit of a hassle.
> > >
> >
> > It's Xubuntu 20.04, and I've kept up with the updates.
> >
> > There appear to be some concerns about Audacity being "incompatible with
> > the GPL license" as noted at:
> >
> >
> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/03/install-audacity-3-0-0-ubuntu-20-04-flatpak/
> >
> > Flat who now? Yet another tool taking over other, as far as I know,
> > perfectly good tools. Sigh.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dick Steffens
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [PLUG] Computer electronics looking for a good home

[Nat Taylor]

I could use a graphics card if you still have?  Better the better? 9800?

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 7:12 PM King Beowulf  wrote:

> On 7/20/21 6:10 PM, Ben Koenig wrote:
> > Yo the nvidia 550 and 950 were on loan for special projects, remember?
> >
> > If you dont want them then ill take em back...
> >
> > Sent from ProtonMail mobile
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > On Jul 20, 2021, 5:58 PM, King Beowulf wrote:
> >
> >> Hello pluggers (pluglets? Pluggies?) I've have a stack of stuff that
> may be useful to some of you. I thought I'd give you first crack at it
> before I send it off to the e-waste recyclers. ...
>
> Those are  being auctioned off to pay for storage fees!
>
> -Ed
>
>
>
>

Re: [PLUG] running (ancient) .BAS file with linux

[Nat Taylor]

https://www.qb64.org/portal/


On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 7:51 PM Nat Taylor  wrote:

> You could try an apple ][ emulator like gsplus.  Or a C64 emulator (here
> is an online one:
> https://c64online.com/c64-online-emulator/ )
>   Those both have native BASIC right?
>
> You guys are all like, “Back in the day, when I was a teenager, before I
> had status before I had a pager…”
> https://youtu.be/qDKrJhNOygA
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 7:28 PM Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Jul 2021, Mark Phillips wrote:
>>
>> > In HS (several decades ago), I wrote a matchmaking program for our
>> senior
>> > prom that crashed the dialup GE computer (ran out of memory) we used to
>> > run Basic programs. Shhh.I resorted to secretly matching everyone
>> with
>> > his/her boyfriend by handI was considered a computer genius until
>> the
>> > teacher in charge of the dialup account got a call from some very irate
>> > folks at GE who threatened to remove the dial up terminal and paper tape
>> > reader if we ever crashed their computer again.he had my back and no
>> > one found out. lol
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> When I did my MS at the Univ. of Illinois decades ago, I wrote a FORTRAN V
>> ecosystem energy model of a lake for an ecosystem modeling course I took.
>> The code filled two boxes of 80-column Hollerith cards.
>>
>> Toward the end of each semester we grad students needed access to the IBM
>> 360's remote job terminals; my lab was in the Natural History Building and
>> the nearest RJE was next door in the Chemistry Building. The CS100/101
>> students waited until the last minute to run their projects and blocked
>> access to the card reader and line printer in the RJE. And we needed to
>> access the 360 at the Chicago Medical campus for our research.
>>
>> So I'd often get a call in my lab asking me to run the model. As soon as I
>> had acess to the card reader and fed in the two boxes of Hollerith cards
>> it
>> maxed out the S360 and locked out the RJE for a long time before printing
>> output about 3 inches thick of green-bared wide line printer paper. The CS
>> students gave up and went elsewhere. I killed my model job and let other
>> grad students use the RJE.
>>
>> Grad student fun and games.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>

Re: [PLUG] running (ancient) .BAS file with linux

[Nat Taylor]

You could try an apple ][ emulator like gsplus.  Or a C64 emulator (here is
an online one:
https://c64online.com/c64-online-emulator/ )
  Those both have native BASIC right?

You guys are all like, “Back in the day, when I was a teenager, before I
had status before I had a pager…”
https://youtu.be/qDKrJhNOygA


On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 7:28 PM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Jul 2021, Mark Phillips wrote:
>
> > In HS (several decades ago), I wrote a matchmaking program for our senior
> > prom that crashed the dialup GE computer (ran out of memory) we used to
> > run Basic programs. Shhh.I resorted to secretly matching everyone
> with
> > his/her boyfriend by handI was considered a computer genius until the
> > teacher in charge of the dialup account got a call from some very irate
> > folks at GE who threatened to remove the dial up terminal and paper tape
> > reader if we ever crashed their computer again.he had my back and no
> > one found out. lol
>
> Mark,
>
> When I did my MS at the Univ. of Illinois decades ago, I wrote a FORTRAN V
> ecosystem energy model of a lake for an ecosystem modeling course I took.
> The code filled two boxes of 80-column Hollerith cards.
>
> Toward the end of each semester we grad students needed access to the IBM
> 360's remote job terminals; my lab was in the Natural History Building and
> the nearest RJE was next door in the Chemistry Building. The CS100/101
> students waited until the last minute to run their projects and blocked
> access to the card reader and line printer in the RJE. And we needed to
> access the 360 at the Chicago Medical campus for our research.
>
> So I'd often get a call in my lab asking me to run the model. As soon as I
> had acess to the card reader and fed in the two boxes of Hollerith cards it
> maxed out the S360 and locked out the RJE for a long time before printing
> output about 3 inches thick of green-bared wide line printer paper. The CS
> students gave up and went elsewhere. I killed my model job and let other
> grad students use the RJE.
>
> Grad student fun and games.
>
> Rich
>
>

Re: [PLUG] Midnight Commander display borked

[Nat Taylor]

Hmm...  Everything but LC_ALL is UTF-8
mc -a does fix it
But I have figured out that I was using xfce4-terminal instead of Konsole
or QTerminal, and the problem is only there.

I guess the moral of the story is to use mc -a if you are using
xfce4-terminal, or just use a different terminal for mc

I had installed pv and progress in attempts to get progress meters while
transferring files to my new hard drive from the command line over the
network, but then realized that mc already had progress meters and worked
great.

I guess they weren't the culprits after all.

I guess I hadn't tried mc in the xfce4-terminal I had inadvertently
launched.  Unless me installing advcpmv locally to test somehow borked it
just for xfce4-terminal


On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 9:33 AM Paul Heinlein  wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Nat Taylor wrote:
>
> > My midnight commander's output is all weird, it's framed with
> > diamonds with question marks in them, The file listings on the left
> > hand side have their beginnings obscured due to this. I recently
> > installed progress, pv, and rsync.  I uninstalled progress, thinking
> > that it may have had something to do to it, but to no avail.
>
> I suspect it's one of two things.
>
> First, your language settings may be off. What is the output of the
> "locale" utility in the terminal you're using to launch mc?
>
> If it's not set to a unicode variant (e.g., en_US.UTF-8), you'll want
> to do that:
>
> export LANG=en_US.UTF-8
>
> and try launching mc again.
>
> Second, if your LANG variable is set to a UTF-8 variant, then the
> problem may be that the terminal you're using is not
> unicode-compliant. Try "mc -a," which uses simpler glyphs.
>
> Finally, mc may be trying to use a typeface that doesn't exist on your
> system. I don't know Midnight Commander well enough to suggest a fix.
>
> --
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[PLUG] Midnight Commander display borked

[Nat Taylor]

My midnight commander's output is all weird, it's framed with diamonds with
question marks in them,
The file listings on the left hand side have their beginnings obscured due
to this.
I recently installed progress, pv, and rsync.  I uninstalled progress,
thinking that it may have had something to do to it, but to no avail.
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Re: [PLUG] Recording non-downloadable videos

[Nat Taylor]

looks pretty easy with ffmpeg too if you're feeling all command line and
not wanting to install extra stuff...
https://www.markbuckler.com/post/cutting-ffmpeg/
This is that dude's easiest method, if key frames work for you:

Key Frame Seeking

The fastest way to extract a portion of video from a larger video (with a
60 second clip starting 30 seconds in) would be the following:

ffmpeg -ss 30 -i input_vid.mp4 -t 60 -c copy output_clip.mp4

This method is so fast because it uses Key frames when performing seek, and
there are far fewer Key frames than Predicted frames. It also is a stream
copy <https://ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg.html#Stream-copy> meaning that the encoded
data extracted from the original video is taken directly without decoding
and then re-encoding. While this feature may be useful for some users who
don’t care about frame accuracy, it doesn’t work for our purposes. This is
because even though FFmpeg 2.1 enabled frame accurate Key frame seeking for
frame extraction (more detail here <https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Seeking>)
this behavior is not supported in FFmpeg 2.6 when cutting out clips of
video. This means that the start of your video will be aligned with the
nearest Key frame to 30 seconds, not the nearest frame independent of
encoding format.

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 12:15 PM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Sep 2020, Nat Taylor wrote:
>
> > kdenlive edits video fairly easily https://kdenlive.org/en/
>
> Nat,
>
> Yes, that's an option.
>
> > I've also successfully used openshot https://www.openshot.org/
>
> This requires a slew of dependencies and I don't want to spend the time
> installing everything for what might be a single use.
>
> > pitivi is another one http://www.pitivi.org/
>
> I'll take a look at this. I might just let the video run until it reaches
> the start of the part I want to watch. It's not likely that I'd view it
> more
> than once anyway,
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Recording non-downloadable videos

[Nat Taylor]

kdenlive edits video fairly easily https://kdenlive.org/en/

I've also successfully used openshot https://www.openshot.org/

pitivi is another one http://www.pitivi.org/

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 11:28 AM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Sep 2020, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>
> > I would use VLC to play the video while carefully noting how many seconds
> > to delete. Then I would load it in Handbrake, where you change the period
> > measurement from Chapters (default) to Seconds. Now you can export just
> > what you want.
>
> John,
>
> Interesting. The SBo repo has an early version, 1.0.7, while the current
> version is 1.3.3. Regardless, when I look on Handbrake's web site for
> documents all I find is one page on how to load a file (source). Nothing
> about editing.
>
> Think I'll look at video editing software. There are quite a few F/OSS
> versions for linux.
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [PLUG] Auto start HTOP in tty.

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I like byobu as a tmux "wrapper" (is that the right term?)
(I think it defaults to tmux now?)

On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 8:10 AM Chuck Hast  wrote:

> That finished nailing it. I am going to work on it this afternoon, but
> that data brought it all back. Funny, my searches all brought up
> doing this in a terminal screen in the GUI, command line only gets
> no respect...
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 3:20 AM Tom  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:41:20 -0500
> > Chuck Hast  wrote:
> >
> > > There that brought a bunch of stuff back (old sux) and I
> > > started seeing light flashes, as I knew I had done it in the
> > > past but just could not remember how.
> > >
> > > This is a server box so there is no X on it.  I will take a
> > > look at screen/tmux, and see how that does.  Thank you
> > > very much.
> > >
> > Hi there. Just place where you see /sbin/agetty in /etc/inittab with
> > the path to the program you want to launch instead. like /usr/bin/top
> >
> >
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Re: [PLUG] PinePhone

[Nat Taylor]

Maybe this is your privacy option?  https://copperhead.co/android/

On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 5:41 AM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Aug 2020, Mike C. wrote:
>
> > Rich, if you dig a lil' bit deeper into and get a bit clearer about this,
> > you can do a lot to mitigate Google's or any other corporate tracking of
> > your online presence and offline activities.
>
> Mike,
>
> True that.
>
> > 1. Airplane mode - I keep my phone in airplane mode unless I'm using it
> or
> > expecting a call.
>
> In the office/house the mobile phone sits on the desk or table. When I'm
> out
> it's in a faraday cage pouch until I want to make a call or am expecting
> one.
>
> > 2. There are plenty of non-Google options for mail, search, Duck Duck
> > Go,Maps, Open Street Maps and the list goes on.
>
> Which is why I a) use the mobile phone for only voice calls and SMS
> messages and b) run postfix and have my own domains, and have been aware of
> privacy issues for years. But, that's not the focus of my business so I'm
> aware there's always more to learn.
>
> > 3. EFF's Self Defense Kit -  https://ssd.eff.org/ If you're not familiar
> > with it and privacy, anonymity, security are important to you, I'd highly
> > spend some time getting familiar with it and learning how to apply it to
> > your online activities and your life.
>
> Good to know. I'll look into it.
>
> Stay well,
>
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Re: [PLUG] Ad free Plex?

[Nat Taylor]

If you're lazy, https://jellyfin.org/

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:24 PM Nat Taylor  wrote:

> I have plex pass too and don't get ads.  Jellyfin is an open source
> alternative.  Kodi is another alternative, that takes a different setup (a
> box or raspberry pi instead of streaming to a chromecast or appletv)
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:20 PM Tyrell Jentink  wrote:
>
>> I have a Lifetime Plex Pass. I would not go so far as to say Plex is
>> perfect; It makes some odd user interface decisions, it pushes it's
>> internal features in an ad-like way, it's players are buggy and crash in
>> indescript ways, the developers aggressively develop new features but
>> never
>> revisit old bugs. In short, I REALLY wish it was open source...
>>
>> But it is indeed ad free.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 12:50 Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
>>
>> > Can I subscribe to Plex to get an ad-free experience? I really hate
>> > having a movie interrupted by an ad. Is this possible in Plex?
>> >
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Re: [PLUG] Ad free Plex?

[Nat Taylor]

I have plex pass too and don't get ads.  Jellyfin is an open source
alternative.  Kodi is another alternative, that takes a different setup (a
box or raspberry pi instead of streaming to a chromecast or appletv)

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:20 PM Tyrell Jentink  wrote:

> I have a Lifetime Plex Pass. I would not go so far as to say Plex is
> perfect; It makes some odd user interface decisions, it pushes it's
> internal features in an ad-like way, it's players are buggy and crash in
> indescript ways, the developers aggressively develop new features but never
> revisit old bugs. In short, I REALLY wish it was open source...
>
> But it is indeed ad free.
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 12:50 Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
>
> > Can I subscribe to Plex to get an ad-free experience? I really hate
> > having a movie interrupted by an ad. Is this possible in Plex?
> >
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Re: [PLUG] HDMI

[Nat Taylor]

Boot into safe mode or single user mode, so you get a command prompt.  Then
you could try checking your dmesg / syslog etc, and maybe uninstalling any
nvidia drivers?

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 8:05 AM Bruce  wrote:

>
> On 7/20/20 12:00 AM, John Jason Jordan wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 21:22:49 -0700
> > Bruce  dijo:
> >
> >> My Google searches turn up lots of problems with Nvidia.  This laptop
> >> has onboard Intel drivers.
> >>
> >> Can anybody point me in the proper direction?
> > The command lshw -c video will tell you which chip it is trying to use.
> > There are lots of problems with the nouveau driver, especially with
> > older Nvidia chips.
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> It's strange that things work during boot showing the Ubuntu logo then
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Re: [PLUG] A minimalist oriented Debian derivative?

[Nat Taylor]

Richard Owlett, I hope it works for you.  It is #1 on Distrowatch.com
currently.  https://distrowatch.com/
I wonder if something like MX-Fluxbox would work as a window manager for
you?  https://mxlinux.org/blog/4585/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluxbox
https://mxlinux.org/blog/mx-fluxbox-was-just-upgraded-what-now/

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 7:13 PM Tom  wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 06:10:14 -0500
> Richard Owlett  wrote:
>
> > On 06/29/2020 12:22 PM, Mike C. wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> When you start the installer if you choose the Expert
> > >>> installation (I believe under advanced section) or if you press
> > >>> the Escape key and type expert at the boot prompt you can get a
> > >>> very minimal system installed although there will be a few more
> > >>> questions that you have to answer along the way.
> > >>>
> > >>> The trick is when you get to the package selection screen to
> > >>> uncheck everything except for Standard System which will give you
> > >>> only a basic system with no gui.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> A very fine workaround. Been doing that for years for different
> > >> problems 
> > >>
> > >> My current problem is the official Debian installer is effectively
> > >> broken. It forces you to accept packages which the repository tags
> > >> as "recommended". The problem is those packages prevent *ME* from
> > >> using *MY* system for *MY* intended purposes and workflow
> > >> <*GRUMBLE*>
> > >>
> > >> So I'm looking for what *I* consider a *WORKING* installer ;/
> > >>
> > >
> > > The ReduceDebian Wiki page might help you get closer to where
> > > you're trying to go. https://wiki.debian.org/ReduceDebian
> >
> > In my jaundiced view, that page gives an excellent introduction in
> > how to fix the broken system the installer left on my hardware  > rant ;>
> >
> > It does present the information in a pattern that will be useful when
> > I actively pursue using debootstrap as my "installer". I've held off
> > on that, not wanting to create a berserker fraken-Debian.
> >
> > >
> > > It includes resetting "install-recommends" and "install-suggests"
> > > to 0 in the apt.conf file
> >
> > That applies only to adding to an already installed system.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> get the netinst cd, no dependence on systemd
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Re: [PLUG] A minimalist oriented Debian derivative?

[Nat Taylor]

antiX is  a small footprint live CD based on Debian.  I know it has an
installer, but think it kind of keeps running a static filesystem on your
hard drive then and runs like a live cd that has been installed.  Not sure
if there is a regular installer.  They merged with Mepis to make MX Linux,
which isn't that small.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:23 AM Mike C.  wrote:

> >
> > > When you start the installer if you choose the Expert installation (I
> > > believe under advanced section) or if you press the Escape key and type
> > > expert at the boot prompt you can get a very minimal system installed
> > > although there will be a few more questions that you have to answer
> > > along the way.
> > >
> > > The trick is when you get to the package selection screen to uncheck
> > > everything except for Standard System which will give you only a basic
> > > system with no gui.
> > >
> >
> > A very fine workaround. Been doing that for years for different problems
> > 
> >
> > My current problem is the official Debian installer is effectively
> > broken. It forces you to accept packages which the repository tags as
> > "recommended". The problem is those packages prevent *ME* from using
> > *MY* system for *MY* intended purposes and workflow <*GRUMBLE*>
> >
> > So I'm looking for what *I* consider a *WORKING* installer ;/
> >
>
> The ReduceDebian Wiki page might help you get closer to where you're trying
> to go. https://wiki.debian.org/ReduceDebian
>
> It includes resetting "install-recommends" and "install-suggests" to 0 in
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Re: [PLUG] Any current Arch users?

[Nat Taylor]

I upgrade my Arch with yay https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/yay/
You type yay
That's it! (ok, you have to approve all the AUR (Arch User Repository,
which has like everything not baked into the main release))
Love it, been running since forever.   It's not that hard to install
official Arch, and you get exactly what you want.
Installing a desktop environment is easy too.  pacman -S (one of these
packages)
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Desktop_environment#Officially_supported


On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:37 AM Michael Rasmussen 
wrote:

> Daily driver since 2011 or sometime around then.
>
> Rolling release, it is all handled by `pacman -Syu`
> Do that as often as you feel the need. Or before opening a ticket with
> Arch, that's the #1 thing to do with them.
>
> Kernel switching? As in upgrades? As in having multiple kernels
> installed and switching between them?
>
> snap and flatpack, well I flatpack on my Laptop, and Pop!_OS, where I
> want to date versions of the software.  In Arch, it is always the most
> recent.
> I took a look at Manjaro. It seems like the install includes a desktop
> environment (xfce, KDE-Plasma, ...) that will get you going faster on
> the system.
>
> On 2020-06-23 23:26, Mike C. wrote:
>
> > I'm a long time Debian user and former small shop Sys Admin who came to
> > fall in love with Debian's stability and the apt package management
> system.
> >
> > Arch seems very modern with its rolling release, ability to switch
> kernels
> > on the fly and snap, flatpak support. I understand all of these things
> > conceptually but I have no day to day real world experience,
> >
> > I intend to wade into the shallow end with a trial of Manjaro, but I'm
> > curious if there are any daily driver Arch users who can speak to the use
> > of the kernel switching, rolling releases and snap, flatpak features.
> >
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Re: [PLUG] doxy.me, meet.jit.si, facebook, FaceTime, etc.

[Nat Taylor]

Jami works as a peer to peer encrypted messaging/video/audio conferencing
app.  You can use it from an app on your phone or computer.  It is open
source.

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:45 PM Tomas Kuchta 
wrote:

> I do it all the time. Phone screen is big enough for this application - you
> can view just the speaker, not the other people not currently speaking.
>
> In fact, when I do not share screen I mute the video and audio - there is
> no point of sharing it beyond introduction.
>
> Tomas
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 05:37 Rich Shepard  wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 6 Jun 2020, wes wrote:
> >
> > > If the other party has only a mobile device, this is unlikely to work.
> >
> > wes,
> >
> > I wondered how one would view the web site on a small screen. Thanks for
> > clarifying.
> >
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Re: [PLUG] Xubuntu 18.04 -- Software Updater Problem

[Nat Taylor]

sudo apt -f install
helps sometimes

On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 11:44 AM Tomas Kuchta 
wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, 07:41 Dick Steffens  wrote:
>
> > On 4/26/20 1:22 AM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
> > > For what it is worth it, dist-upgrade is used to upgrade your
> > distribution
> > > from 18.04.2 to 18.04.3  to 20.04 to 
> > >
> > > Update - refreshes your repository data.
> > >
> > > Upgrade - upgrades your current distribution to the latest
> > patches/versions.
> > >
> > > When you update+upgrade from command line, the GUI is not updated until
> > you
> > > restart it or refresh it somehow. Some GUIs have some way to check for
> > > updates. That is why it was up to date after you restarted it.
> >
> > When I run lsb_release -a I get:
> >
> > rsteff@ENU-1:~$ lsb_release -a
> > No LSB modules are available.
> > Distributor ID:Ubuntu
> > Description:Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS
> > Release:18.04
> > Codename:bionic
> > rsteff@ENU-1:~$
> >
> > I don't recall restarting, so I just did that.
> >
> >
> Restarting the updater GUI was the idea. The gui uses the apt commands
> mentioned here. As long as they work. You are updated, whether your gui is
> acting dodgy or not.
>
> >
> Still shows Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS, which I expected.
> >
> > Also running Software Updater still fails, then works.
> >
> > Other projects are in front of digging deeper for now.
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts and help.
> >
> >
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Re: [PLUG] Zoom and Debian Buster...

[Nat Taylor]

I know 8.8.8.8 is google's dns, as is 8.8.4.4 so I assume 8.8.8.4 is too?
What is all that at the end of network/interfaces?

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 3:03 PM Louis Kowolowski 
wrote:

> I’m not actually familiar with IPtables any more (haven’t used it since
> early 2000).
> I don’t know if it has a special module for zoom or not.
> I was just talking about generic UDP keep-state. doing quick googling, i
> woudl guess you would want something like
> iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
> but for outbound instead of inbound. You may or may not wish to make it
> more specific to UDP. I would expect as a general rule you would want
> something similar to keep-state for your TCP connections too.
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 2020, at 4:57 PM, mich...@robinson-west.com wrote:
> >
> > April 10, 2020 3:59 PM, mich...@robinson-west.com wrote:
> >
> >> No connection tracking module is loaded, is there one for Zoom?
> >
> > I'm trying the following iptables rules for Zoom, but I need connection
> tracking for the udp traffic?
> >
> > root@filter:~# iptables -vL FORWARD_Zoom
> > Chain FORWARD_Zoom (1 references)
> > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source
>  destination
> >0 0 ACCEPT tcp  --  eth2   eth0anywhere
>  anywhere multiport sports 8801,8802,,9090
> >0 0 ACCEPT tcp  --  eth0   eth2anywhere
>  anywhere multiport dports 8801,8802,,9090
> >0 0 ACCEPT udp  --  eth2   eth0anywhere
>  anywhere udp spt:8889
> >0 0 ACCEPT udp  --  eth0   eth2anywhere
>  anywhere udp dpt:8889
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Re: [PLUG] Question on Zoombombin

[Nat Taylor]

Current best practices for hosting zoom meetings is to require a password,
and have all users wait in a "waiting room" until the host allows them in.
I think you can set it so Audio and Video is disabled too until the host
allows it.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:44 PM Ben Koenig  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, Mike C. wrote:
> >
> > > I wish there was a better term for people who commit malicious acts of
> > > computing than hacker.
> > >
> > > I still associate "hacker" and "hacking" with non-malicious.
> >
> > +1 I refer to them as 'crackers', regardless of geographic origin.
> >
> >
> sadly, that will never fly since 'cracker' already has a racist
> connotation. But we already know what to call them, don't we?
>
> There are 2 groups of malicous hackers. The first group is relatively
> harmless, since they are doing it for the prestige. Typically younger
> people who find a few fun tricks and run around on a vandalism spree. They
> usually get caught and punished accordingly. A number of the big "hackers"
> from the 90s are now adults leading normal lives. Posting pornographic
> images in someone else's meeting is just standard issue internet trolling.
>
> The second group is state-sponsored, and we call them "spies". Because
> that's what they are, agents of a government who are paid to steal state
> secrets from other countries. Hacking is just one of many techniques a spy
> can use to obtain information. Instead of trying to give them a new name,
> we just need to update our understand of the technology to properly
> identify these individuals as what they are. If someone were truly
> dangerous, they wouldn't announce their presence to the entire zoom
> meeting. they would sit there quietly, pretending to be a legitimate member
> of the meeting, while recording everything they see and do. Wrap up the
> data in a neat little digestible package and send it straight to your
> russian/chinese/united states/ intelligence agency.
> Because that's what a good SPY would do.
>
> Quiet, Polite, Respectful, and significantly more Dangerous than your
> average naked lady picture.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] nextcloud talk test server

[Nat Taylor]

Testing jami between local
Machines now.  It’s peer to peer

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 6:17 PM Tom  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have been testing out various self-hosted video conferencing software
> and have mainly been using Nextcloud Talk. I've gone ahead and setup a
> turn server like the documentation said. It seems like there is still
> one more component for reliable calling which is the 'dedicated
> signaling server', However I have been able to hold calls already.
>
> I have gone ahead and setup a meeting for other PLUG members to test
> nextcloud talk out for themselves if anyone wants to report back on
> their experiences or give some suggestions.
>
> https://cloud.nuegia.net/call/tw6sveds
>
> If anyone else has some ideas for reliable, secure, open
> source and self-hostable videocalls please do reply back. I am trying
> out them all.
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Re: [PLUG] BASH script make a backup...

[Nat Taylor]

Have you considered using rsync?

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 5:36 PM King Beowulf  wrote:

> On 4/4/20 4:06 PM, mich...@robinson-west.com wrote:
> > tar:
> root/web_safety/build/squid/squid-4.9/debian/.debhelper/squid/dbgsym-root/usr/share/doc/squid-dbgsym:
> File removed before we read it
> > tar:
> root/web_safety/build/squid/squid-4.9/debian/.debhelper/squid-cgi/dbgsym-root/usr/share/doc/squid-cgi-dbgsym:
> File removed before we read it
> > tar:
> root/web_safety/build/squid/squid-4.9/debian/.debhelper/squid-purge/dbgsym-root/usr/share/doc/squid-purge-dbgsym:
> File removed before we read it
> > tar:
> root/web_safety/build/squid/squid-4.9/debian/.debhelper/squidclient/dbgsym-root/usr/share/doc/squidclient-dbgsym:
> File removed before we read it
> > tar:
> root/web_safety/build/squid/squid-4.9/debian/squid-common/usr/share/squid/errors:
> File removed before we read it
> >
> > I've never seen tar errors like this before...
> >
> > ...
> > tar --one-file-system --keep-directory-symlink -chjf
> $dump_dir/root.tar.bz2 root/ 2>$dump_dir/tar_err.txt
> > ...
> >
>
> I was in error about the -h parameter.  Sorry about that. To much time
> at home I suppose.
>
> https://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_node/dereference.html
>
> -h is only used to follow the symlink and grab the linked file.
>
> $ ls -l tar_test/
> total 0
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 beowulf users 9 Apr  4 17:23 symtest2.txt -> test2.txt
> -rw-r--r-- 1 beowulf users 0 Apr  4 17:23 test1.txt
> -rw-r--r-- 1 beowulf users 0 Apr  4 17:23 test2.txt
>
> $ tar -cvjf tar_test.tar.bz2 tar_test/
> tar_test/
> tar_test/test1.txt
> tar_test/test2.txt
> tar_test/symtest2.txt
>
> $ mv tar_test.tar.bz2 /tmp/tar_test.tar.bz2
> $ cd /tmp
> $ tar -xjf tar_test.tar.bz2
> $ $ ls -l tar_test
> total 0
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 beowulf users 9 Apr  4 17:23 symtest2.txt -> test2.txt
> -rw-r--r-- 1 beowulf users 0 Apr  4 17:23 test1.txt
> -rw-r--r-- 1 beowulf users 0 Apr  4 17:23 test2.txt
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Re: [PLUG] Free Conference Call => "Spotting a a fake web service"

[Nat Taylor]

P2P FTW! (hopefully)

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 3:01 PM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Apr 2020, Nat Taylor wrote:
>
> > How about Jami ?
> > https://jami.net/
>
> Nat,
>
> Looks promising. Thanks for the pointer.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Free Conference Call => "Spotting a a fake web service"

[Nat Taylor]

How about Jami ?
https://jami.net/

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 1:28 PM Ben Koenig  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 1:07 PM Mike C.  wrote:
>
> > >
> > > One option that was mentioned was FreeConferenceCall.com.
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, I casually looked this up via an online search and
> was
> > > given 2 hits.
> > >
> > > FreeConferenceCall.com
> > > FreeConference.com
> > >
> > > Both websites appear very similar, but do not obviously reference each
> > > other. I do not believe they are the same company despite very similar
> > > appearances.
> > >
> > > I smell bullshit. Someone is copying someone else, and while I don't
> know
> > > if this is a legitimate attempt at competition or direct attempt to
> > deceive
> > > users, I'm not using either service.
> > >
> >
> > FreeConferenceCall.com is the original. They've been around for just shy
> of
> > 20 years. FCC is also open source.
> >
> >
> > > IMO both of these services present a potential for identify theft that
> > > goes above my tolerance levels.
> > >
> >
> > Clearly, like anything else, each person has to assess the risks and make
> > appropriate choices per the comfort level with the risks.
> >
> > I generally give preference to Open Source vs closed source and the
> longer
> > a FOSS application has been used, reviewed and maybe security audited the
> > more I generally favor it.
> >
> > It would certainly be more of a project, but XMPP supports voice & video
> > and each participant can use whatever XMPP client their heart desires.
> >
> > I know riseup.net has secure chatrooms but everyone would need a riseup
> > email account.
> >
> > Rocket.chat has free self-managed, self-hosted server This version is
> > fairly feature rich with live streaming, public & private channels and
> > multi-factor authentication.
> >
> > https://rocket.chat/pricing#self
> >
> > In these strange & interesting times where millions of people are doing a
> > lot more online communication and I suspect many very interested parties
> in
> > said communications, I'd much prefer a self-hosted, self-managed solution
> > with as much security, privacy, anonymity as possible
> >
>
>
> Adding to the list is the matrix protocol.  The details start to go over my
> head, but it has been adopted by the KDE community. I've been looking into
> setting up a test room and trying the voip/video features, if they exist.
> matrix.org
>
> They still do a lot of the node.js style development that I'm opposed to,
> but they have the advantage of backing from more reputable FOSS
> organizations. There's a significant difference from saying "we love open
> source" and saying "KDE is using us in their project". Their documentation
> is also much more straightfoward in terms of what is/isn't possible.
> Matrix is interesting is because the protocol is decoupled from the client
> and server. This creates more transparency and trust for users. If a
> particular client or server is no longer secure (by whatever definition of
> secure you subscribe to), just move to a different one.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Laptop wireless problem - resolved

[Nat Taylor]

I think it could be a DHCP issue.  Like the router didn’t keep the
connection alive but wouldn’t give out a new one because it wasn’t all the
way dead.  You might try kicking the laptop off thru the routers webadmin,
then trying to reconnect next time.  I’m sure there is a more technical way
to put this but I’ve had it happen before...

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 12:53 PM Russell Senior 
wrote:

> I have a laptop with an intel radio that very occasionally just decides to
> stop working. I'm able to recover without rebooting by rmmod'ing a few
> related modules and then modprobe'ing them again. But if you had to reboot
> the access point to recover, then that's probably not your problem.
>
> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 8:25 AM Denis Heidtmann 
> wrote:
>
> > Well, Russell, you were right.
> > I had already recycled my laptop to no effect.  And since the wireless
> was
> > available to my phone, I thought that the router could not be the issue,
> > but for completeness I power cycled it this morning.  Solved the problem.
> > So where do you suspect the confused driver resides?
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> > -Denis
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 2:29 PM Russell Senior  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Drivers can get confused. The easy thing to try is to reboot.
> > > Unloading/reloading the module is less extreme. Rebooting the router is
> > > another thing to try.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 2:24 PM Denis Heidtmann <
> > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > As of this morning my Lenovo X240 will not connect to my wireless.
> It
> > > > cycles between "connecting" and "disconnected".  The signal strength
> > is
> > > > shown as "excellent".  The modem lists my laptop as connected.  My
> > phone
> > > > seems to connect fine.
> > > >
> > > > I am completely ignorant of what to check nor what to look for.  A
> > > clueless
> > > > person needs help.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > -Denis
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Re: [PLUG] Domain registration transfers to name.com - WTF?

[Nat Taylor]

I recommend https://nearlyfreespeech.net or https://gandi.net

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 5:12 PM Keith Lofstrom  wrote:

> A few weeks ago, I started getting emails from Name.com
> telling me my domain registration service was moved from
> Dyn.com.  No email directly from Dyn ... which used to
> be dyndns, which used to be a volunteer project, then a
> low cost service, then an independent company, then a
> boil-the-frog escalating-price subsidiary of Oracle.
>
> Name.com has a past (and hopefully not current) reputation
> for registration hijacking.  It turns out (see below) that
> this happened because of a policy change by Oracle.  Maybe
> due to all those nasty things I say about Larry Ellison.
>
> I feel like someone whose family has been in the West Bank
> for 1000 years, and now can't stay and can't leave.
>
> Anyhow, I'll jump through Name.com's hoops, then continue
> jumping to another domain registrar and name service;
> probably dotster.
>
> Sigh.  Shoulda left after the Oracle takeover.  What a
> waste of money.
>
> Keith Lofstrom  kei...@keithl.com
>
> -
> The email from dyn.com:
> -
>
> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 22:02:31 + (GMT)
> From: Dyn Support 
> To: "kei...@keithl.com" 
> Subject: Case: 01192570 - Domain registration transfers to name.com - WTF?
>
> ### Do Not Place Your Reply Below This Line ###
>
> Hello,
> Thank you for contacting Oracle Dyn Customer Support.
>
> Our domain registration services have now been transferred to name.com.
> Please use the following link to claim your domain with name.com and
> manage your services:
>
> https://www.name.com/welcome-to-name?cb=dyn_domino
>
> We are no longer able to access or maintain your domains.
>
> As you are likely aware, Dyn was purchased by Oracle in 2017. As part of
> Oracle, and their Oracle Cloud Infrastructure division, we are adjusting
> our product offerings to align with the OCI business. As part of these
> changes, we will no longer be offering Domain Registration services. We
> will continue to offer/support DNS services, both as Dyn products through
> their End of Life, and for OCI DNS available at https://cloud.oracle.com.
>
> Thank you for your partnership with Domain Registrations over the years,
> and we hope you enjoy the service you will receive with your new Domain
> partner, name.com.
>
> If you have any additional questions or concerns please contact us again
> at any time.
> Thank you,
> Michael H
> Customer Support Representative
> http://dyn.com
> http://twitter.com/dyn
>
>
> ---
> 01/28/2020 03:43:37 PM EST [Keith Lofstrom]
> ---
>
>
> To: supp...@dyn.com
> On 2019 Dec 2, I received (that is, my bulging spam folder
> received) an email allegedly from "migrati...@dyn.com" that
> my domain registrations would be (now "were") transferred
> to name.com ... a company with a past history of domain
> hijacking.
>
> IS THIS LEGITIMATE?
>
> There are plenty of pointers in the email to the name.com
> website, and none to any webpage on dyn.com informing
> customers about this "change".
>
> What should I do?
>
> I certainly won't continue with name.com, given their
> shady past; I paid premium prices to dyn because I hoped
> for trustworthy professional support.
>
> Did I do something wrong, or fail to do something right?
>
> Keith
>
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Re: [PLUG] Another update/upgrade, another problem

[Nat Taylor]

Maybe try this?  I’d actually try to read the contents of /var/crash before
deleting it, but it seems like if there’s an issue, it’ll write there again
anyways, and it might just be complaining about something in the past

https://itsfoss.com/how-to-fix-system-program-problem-detected-ubuntu/


On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 5:36 PM Dick Steffens  wrote:

> On 1/29/20 5:15 PM, Nat Taylor wrote:
> > by /dev/sdX
> > I mean, /dev/sda or whatever device your main hard drive is, you could
> find
> > out by typing
> > df
> > first, and see which drive your / is on.
> > and use that for sdX
>
> ~# df
> <...>
> /def/sda5
> <...>
>
> ~# (grub-install /dev/sda5 )*
> bash: sybntax error near unexpected token `*'
> ~# (grub-install /dev/sda5)*
> bash: sybntax error near unexpected token `*'
> ~# (grub-install /dev/sda5)
> Installing for i386-pc platform.
> grub-install: warning: File system`exxt2' doesn't support embedding.
> grub-install: Warning: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be
> installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are
> UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..
> grub-install: error: willnot proceed with blocklists.
> ~# (grub-install /dev/sda)
> Installing for i386-pc platform.
> Installation finished. No error reported.
> ~# reboot
>
> Booted normally.
>
> Thanks for the recommendation.
>
> I still get the "System program problem detected" but the machine
> appears to run like it used to.
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Re: [PLUG] Another update/upgrade, another problem

[Nat Taylor]

by /dev/sdX
I mean, /dev/sda or whatever device your main hard drive is, you could find
out by typing
df
first, and see which drive your / is on.
and use that for sdX

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:05 PM Dick Steffens  wrote:

> On 1/29/20 11:16 AM, Nat Taylor wrote:
> > Have you tried, after booting into recovery mode,
> > sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade
> > reboot, if that doesn't work,
>
> Those did not work.
>
> > boot into recovery mode and reinstall grub?
> > (grub-install /dev/sd*X )*
>
> (grup-install /dev/sd*X )*
>
> returns
>
> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `*'
>
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Re: [PLUG] Another update/upgrade, another problem

[Nat Taylor]

Have you tried, after booting into recovery mode,
sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade
reboot, if that doesn't work, boot into recovery mode and reinstall grub?
(grub-install /dev/sd*X )*

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:01 AM Dick Steffens 
wrote:

> On 1/29/20 10:06 AM, Dick Steffens wrote:
> > My laptop, Lenovo X200 Tablet, has Xubuntu 18.04 installed. Yesterday
> > there was an update (upgrade?) which I allowed to run. When finished
> > it required a reboot. Upon rebooting, after the GRUB screen that
> > allows me to choose which version to boot, I see some disk activity,
> > but nothing else. Grub tells me I'm trying to boot Ubuntu, with Linux
> > 5.3.0-28-generic. I can boot into recovery mode. I fussed around
> > there, ran some update it wanted, and continued on to resume booting.
> > I was warned about something not being a normal boot, and if things
> > weren't right I should just do a normal reboot. (Words to that
> > effect.) I did a normal reboot, but the original problem remains.
> >
> > I tried having GRUB boot the previous kernel(?), Linux
> > 5.3.0-26-generic, and have the same problem, a blank screen, a bunch
> > of disk activity, and then nothing. Pushing the power button to force
> > a shutdown works, and I briefly seen the Xubuntu splash screen before
> > power down.
>
> There are two other GRUB options after 5.3.0-26. 5.0.0-37 boots
> normally. 4.18.0-25 also boots normally. They both have the "System
> program problem detected" box after things settle down.
>
> I don't know if that sheds any light on the subject.
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG HAS A VENUE PROBLEM

[Nat Taylor]

How about https://pdxhackerspace.org/calendar.html as a venue.  Have no
idea what their availability is but the calendar says tuesdays are open.
Never been there either.  But it looks up the same alley.

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 2:07 PM Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> FWIIW, PSU has done the same thing with the doors in SB1, even though there
> is a business operating in that building.  I once had to let in one of
> their customers.
> -Denis
>
> On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 7:17 PM Russell Senior 
> wrote:
>
> > I am a fan of Portland State as a venue. Firstly, we've been there
> forever,
> > b) their mission includes engaging with the community (not least because
> > it's a service to their students); and iii) it's got a good central
> > location with good transportation options. I suggest we picket the PSU
> > administration building; second I suggest we investigate whether a room
> in
> > a different building might work. I recall we were in Smith for quite a
> > while before moving to the Engineering building.
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 4:27 PM Vince Winter 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hey,
> > >
> > > I can try to convince free geek to host on Sundays during the day
> > 11am-5pm
> > > area? They maybe open to that.
> > >
> > > Have you tried reaching out to the campus security to see if they would
> > be
> > > open to having someone help with door between 645 to 715?
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 4:53 PM Michael Dexter 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you everyone who pointed out a few odd elements about the last
> > > > meeting, none of which were the fact that I was not there.
> > > >
> > > > 1. The room change was temporary. Whew!
> > > >
> > > > 2. Thanks to the homeless abusing PSU resources, the engineering
> > > > building will be locking its doors at 5:30PM starting next month.
> > > >
> > > > This is sounds minor but the "answer" is to have someone at the door
> > who
> > > > can identify PLUG attendees (not necessarily easy) and not allow in
> > > > anyone who should not enter (also not easy). This door guard would
> also
> > > > ideally hang around for 15 or so minutes to accommodate late
> arrivals.
> > > >
> > > > I personally do not want PLUG members to be in the campus security
> > > > business given that it could incur liability should they fail to
> comply
> > > > with the school's security policies they are expected to enforce.
> > > >
> > > > PLUG has been at PSU for over 20 years and venues of this quality do
> > not
> > > > come easily.
> > > >
> > > > Please share your ideas on how we can work around this new
> restriction!
> > > >
> > > > Please also share your ideas on venues should a solution not present
> > > > itself. The ideal venue, like PSU:
> > > >
> > > > * Is central with good public transportation access
> > > > * Is free of charge
> > > > * Is not dependent on a staff attendant unless they are guaranteed to
> > be
> > > > there for other reasons
> > > > * Has good lighting
> > > > * Has a good projector
> > > > * Has affordable, safe parking for those who cannot take public
> > > > transportation
> > > > * Has good WiFI and optional Ethernet Internet access
> > > > * Has good food options on site or nearby
> > > >
> > > > Free Geek is a highly-sympathetic venue but does not meet all of
> these
> > > > criteria.
> > > >
> > > > I will take a look at Calagator to see what other venues are popular.
> > > >
> > > > Hopefully this issue will resolve itself quickly.
> > > >
> > > > All the best,
> > > >
> > > > Michael Dexter
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Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

[Nat Taylor]

How about PDX Hackerspace as a venue?

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 9:41 PM Jim Karlock  wrote:

> At 08:55 PM 9/22/2019, Ben Koenig wrote:
> >Maybe this is just me, but my inbox has a message where someone used this
> >conversation to pivot into a pro-Trump, anti-Obama rant for no particular
> >reason.
>
> "pivot into a pro-Trump, anti-Obama rant" for observing that "Trump
> is cleaning up some of the faster than Obama did.  That sounds a lot
> like hyper liberal exxageration to me.
>
>
> >Does anyone know who "Jim Karlock" is?
> Look me up on Google Scholar.
>
> >  I'm wondering if he even uses linux
> YES. Not very proficient, but I use it almost daily.
>
> >because he just fired off a lot of hyper conservative BS in a very short
> >amount of time.
>
> Hyper conservative BS??  Interesting characterization of a counter to
> hyper greenie BS!
>
> Look up the factual accuracy of what I posted and compare it to the
> other guy. Please do not use any greenie web sites that raise money
> be scaring people about the environment as sources. EPA will have the
> data. Look at the data, not the text as that is often political.
>
> BTW - this is a lot off topic, so, having defended myself, lets call it
> quits.
>
> Thanks
> JK
>
>
>
> >On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:06 PM Brian Rohan 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Not sure why the homelessness is a topic on PLUG, unless they are
> homeless
> > > because they don't have an IPv6 address.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 6:51 PM Mike C.  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 4:27 PM  wrote:
> > > >
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> > > > >1. Re: IP tracking (Ben Koenig)
> > > > >2. Re: How we treat the homeless... (John Jason Jordan)
> > > > >3. Re: PLUG HAS A VENUE PROBLEM (Denis Heidtmann)
> > > > >4. Re: How we treat the homeless.. (Mike C.)
> > > > >5. Re: IP tracking (Rich Shepard)
> > > > >6. Re: How we treat the homeless... (Jim Karlock)
> > > > >7. Re: How we treat the homeless... (Michael Barnes)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> --
> > > > >
> > > > > Message: 1
> > > > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:01:29 -0700
> > > > > From: Ben Koenig 
> > > > > To: plug@pdxlinux.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] IP tracking
> > > > > Message-ID: <91a83375-0762-259a-9a7e-0d4033387...@gmail.com>
> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/22/19 10:41 AM, Thomas Groman wrote:
> > > > > > ... When it comes to calendering, NextCloud is great
> > > > > > for this. It can provide both a web interface and CalDav
> services for
> > > > > > integration within Thunderbird, CalCurse-caldav, android, or
> anything
> > > > > > else than handles caldav...
> > > > >
> > > > > You make some good points, but also demonstrate the level to which
> > > > > google is embedded in software development. In recommending ways
> to get
> > > > > away from google's tracking, you mentioned compatibility with
> Android,
> > > > > which renders all efforts to afford the problem meaningless.
> Tracking
> > > > > that is baked into the OS affects all apps running within that OS,
> so
> > > > > you have to stop using android. Also stop mentioning it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Not that I'm the best example of this, writing from my gmail
> account.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Another example of OS-level integration is systemd. systemd
> defaults to
> > > > > google's nameservers when no others are provided. It's a fallback
> > > > > mechanism if standard DNS configuration fails, and is implemented
> at
> > > > > compile time. Like you mentioned, it's more than just IP tracking,
> you
> > > > > need to start rejecting entire chunks of your OS stack if you want
> to
> > > > > actually get away from google's profile building.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's pretty disgusting these days. Distros like Debian and Ubuntu
> > > > > working behind the scenes to sell out the community. Even Mozilla
> links
> > > > > up with all those API's, making a weak claim that their use for
> > > tracking
> > > > > is totally different from everyone else's. They still send data to
> > > > > google servers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Message: 2
> > > > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:17:39 -0700
> > > > > From: John 

Re: [PLUG] [Retitled for clarity] File sharing over a two node LAN

[Nat Taylor]

so, you don't want to use the "ip" command to set your network addresses
then use scp to copy files between the machines?

On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 4:51 AM Richard Owlett  wrote:

> On 08/10/2019 02:01 PM, Russell Senior wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 8:55 AM Richard Owlett 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I have read more and made some progress ;}
> >> I am using Debian 9.8 {Stretch} with MATE desktop on two Lenovo laptops.
> >> As I used Networkmanager to create the ad-hoc network, I only have WEP
> >> *NOT* WPA at the moment [but have info on doing WPA].
> >> [see
> >>
> >>
> https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WiFi_can_scan.2C_but_not_connect_using_NetworkManager_.28Debian_9_Stretch.29
> >> on how to overcome a connection problem.]
> >>
> >> My stated goal is file sharing on a peer-to-peer network with exactly
> >> two nodes. The unstated purpose of chosen method is understanding
> >> networks. Traveling down memory lane to early 60's, I can see this as a
> >> Sophomore/Junior E.E. lab {Cornell's B.S.E.E. program was 5 years at the
> >> time ;]
> >>
> >
> > Nothing on wireless involves two nodes. Each station broadcasts. It's
> only
> > happenstance if only two stations are receiving, it could easily be more.
>
> IRRELEVANT to topic at hand. *MY* LAN has exactly two nodes. The
> "physical transport layer" happens to be WiFi, could just as well be
> 20mA current loop.
> >
> > Did you see this?
> >
> > https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc
>
> Yes but it is not germane as Networkmanager was used to establish the
> connection. It does the same job but evidently stores its information
> differently.
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Since I last posted, I've discovered "Open Systems .Interconnection
> >> (OSI) Model".
> >>
> >>
> > Did you see this part?
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model#Comparison_with_TCP/IP_model
> > [snip long quotation]
>
> I hadn't. But I did not see any guidance there.
>
> >
> >
> >> I would like to be pointed to material on creating an appropriate P2P
> >> network with a preference to sources tied to OSI.
> >> {References to servers/clients, switches, routers, un-listed hardware,
> >> etc are _*VERBOTEN*_!}
> >>
> >> TIA
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Re: [PLUG] IP tracking

[Nat Taylor]

Could you create a google account over Tor, and use the calendar there
exclusively?

On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 8:46 AM Ben Koenig  wrote:

> You can't stop the tracking these days, it's becomed too embedded in all
> online activity. The only solution is to cut yourself off from the network.
>
> Even with VPN's and anti-tracking browser plugins they can still gather
> contextual data. Duckduckgo makes a lot of claims, but their impact is
> minimal.
> Rather than work around the problem, we need to raise the issue
> politically. But for whatever stupid fucking reason, you would rather bend
> over backwards than do anything about it.
>
>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-measure-let-isps-sell-your-data-without-consent-n742316
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/03/29/what-to-expect-now-that-internet-providers-can-collect-and-sell-your-web-browser-history/?noredirect=on_term=.fb527d1a5d44
>
> It's a political problem now. You can't fix it with VPN's and anti-track
> software.
>
> A side effect of youth is ambition. The desire to impact the world around
> you.
> A side effect of age is complacency. Avoiding issues and making excuses for
> being "too busy to solve that problem"
>
> It's all just young people selling old people's data. These tech companies
> view everyone over the age of 40 as a resource to be "consumed", and it
> goes wa beyond the IP address.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 3:19 PM Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 26 Jul 2019, Dick Steffens wrote:
> >
> > > That's worth considering. I run the website, so I should be able to
> > > incorporate that into it. I can even do it so it doesn't show up on the
> > > public part of the site.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the recommendations.
> >
> > Certainly!
> >
> > And, there's always the Palm Pilot (many models available on eBay) and
> both
> > Android and Apple phones have calendar applications available.
> >
> > Carpe weekend,
> >
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Re: [PLUG] Distro suggestions

[Nat Taylor]

I would recommend Ubuntu over Mint due to ease of updating.  Mint distro
updates are more of a pain in the ass, in my opinion
Ubuntu is easy and it works.  It has the Gnome Desktop now, but it looks
like Unity.  I actually prefer Kubuntu personally.
Debian KDE is another option.

On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 8:43 PM Russell Senior 
wrote:

> My 2¢: Most of these have live-boot options, right?  Honestly, I'd download
> and boot a few and see what you like.  Most of my desktops (which include
> laptops) are you-dumb-too these days, which (when tweaked a little) feel
> pretty comfortable to me. Tastes vary widely, so find what works for you.
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 9:25 AM David Fleck  wrote:
>
> > For reasons not necessary to go into here, this long-time
> FreeBSD/OpenSUSE
> > user needs to move to a new laptop* Linux distribution, and I have the
> > following choices:
> > CentOS
> > Fedora
> > Mint
> > Ubuntu
> >
> > I use CentOS in a text console / server at work, and it seems okay; I'm
> > not familiar with the others at all. I seem to remember Ubuntu being
> > described as more Windows-y than most distros, which I don't care for.
> But
> > I'd like suggestions as to the pros/cons of the four listed above as
> laptop
> > OS'es specifically.
> >
> > (*ThinkPad Edge E531)
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance--
> >
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Re: [PLUG] Error under Wine

[Nat Taylor]

sudo apt purge wine
sudo apt autoremove

should get rid of all the bits before you install the ppa.

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 9:21 PM Chuck Hast  wrote:

> Thank you both, I was looking, if you tick on the [OK] button on the
> initial error it tries to run but after a bit it
> tosses a fatal error, looking at it I see that the version of wine is Wine
> build: wine-3.0 (Ubuntu 3.0-1ubuntu1)
> So looks like I need to update Wine. Not sure why Ubuntu runs such an old
> version.
>
> I went to WineHQ, they said I have to pull all of the distro installed bits
> and pieces out then install the latest
> and greatest. Have to try that or I may install something that has no Wine
> then add the PPA from WineHQ.
>
> If it did not toss any errors for the newer version that is good to know.
>
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:11 PM  wrote:
>
> > For what it is worth it - I tried to install/run it under wine 4.9 in
> > openSuSE
> > 15.0 from added Emulators:Wine repo:
> > sudo zypper addrepo
> > http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Emulators:/Wine/op
> > enSUSE_Leap_15.0/ Emulators:Wine
> >
> > It seems to work OK-ish without errors or crashes.
> >
> > I got same error as you described under default wine 3.7
> >
> > Tomas
> >
> > On Tue, 2019-05-28 at 22:10 -0500, Chuck Hast wrote:
> > > Folks,
> > > I just recently updated to a newer piece of radio equipment, the new
> > > programming
> > > software has had some changes to it. The original software ran better
> > under
> > > Wine
> > > than under Windows, the newer version now fails with the following
> > error::
> > >
> > > run-time error  '-2147417848 (80010108)': Automation error:
> > >
> > > I have looked it up and it appears to be that it should say after the
> > colon:
> > > The object invoked has disconnected from its clients
> > > I am trying to figure out if there is a way to fix it so I can run it
> > under
> > > wine rather than
> > > have to run it under Win10 ( a VM but still have to spin it up and I do
> > > really dislike
> > > Win10)
> > >
> > > If anyone wants to take a look at it, it is available from several
> > > locations.
> > >
> > > Here is one:
> > >
> >
> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0833/9095/files/D878UV_Setup_1.12.exe?146
> > > Here is another:
> > > http://www.connectsystems.com/software/top/D878UV.htm
> > > For this one select CPS version 1.12
> > >
> > > I am trying to figure out if there is something I need to update on
> Wine
> > or
> > > if the
> > > chinese coders wrote something that will not work under Wine.
> > >
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Re: [PLUG] HP G62 Laptop...

[Nat Taylor]

Looking at supported OS's, try Suse...  Perhaps the Tumbleweed rolling
release version?  Or maybe the Leap regular release if hte package is
designed for older libraries?  I dunno i'd try tumbleweed first?

This says openSuse 11.4 or later:  it'll have newer drivers than centOS
http://www.ni.com/pdf/manuals/375845a.pdf

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:27 PM Michael Christopher Robinson <
mich...@robinson-west.com> wrote:

> I want to run CentOS 7 as the host system, but there doesn't seem to be
> a good driver for the Radeon video card.  The install, no artifacting.
> When it actually boots to gnome though, terrible artifacting.
>
> I could just run Windows 7 instead of Linux, but I prefer Linux ;-)
>
> I'm trying to use this older laptop as a sandbox for Labview which runs
> on CentOS 7 directly.  I remember having Linux on this old laptop, but
> I had to use Catalyst or something like that for Linux.  Tried to find
> an AMD driver for the video card, got something meant for CentOS 7.2
> which is dated.  I think this laptop has an AMD AM3+ socket, so I
> should be able to replace the Athlon II dual core with an Athlon II
> quad core.  Although, this laptop runs pretty hot as it is...
>
> Any help figuring out how to get the artifacting addressed will be very
> much appreciated ;-)
>
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Re: [PLUG] Minimal Distribution for Atom 550 Processor

[Nat Taylor]

Ubuntu server might work too,  or I also agree that Debian would be a good
fit.

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:59 PM Nat Taylor  wrote:

> https://www.archlinux.org/
> https://www.ubuntu.com/core
> http://www.tinycorelinux.net/
>
> Really, I'd go for arch.  The install isn't that big of a deal really.
> And you get exactly what you want.
> If you do ubuntu core you can use snaps to install what you need...
>
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 11:53 AM W7DAL  wrote:
>
>> Works fine with Linux Mint.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On May 21, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Tomas Kuchta 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Atom 550 is basic 2010-ish 64-bit x86-64 low end CPU. As such it should
>> > work with any mainstream modern distribution. Be it Fedora, Ubuntu,
>> Debian,
>> > openSuSE,  In no particular order.
>> >
>> > It is probably going to be very sluggish by any contemporary measure.
>> And,
>> > it does not support modern virtualization and does not support AES
>> > instructions if you want to use it for anything to do with encryption
>> > (networking, storage, etc.)
>> >
>> > Hope it helps,
>> > -T
>> >
>> >> On Mon, May 20, 2019, 19:30 Michael Barnes 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I got an SSD for this beast, now waiting on a power cord. In the
>> meantime,
>> >> trying to decide on what distribution I want to load. I was originally
>> >> going to go with CentOS, but not sure if that is doable on this Atom
>> >> processor. I saw a recommendation for Puppy Linux, but Puppy became
>> very
>> >> confusing very fast. Once installed, this will run headless. No GUI or
>> >> anything is necessary. Just need basic network stuff like dhcp, ntp,
>> gpsd,
>> >> and maybe a lightweight webserver for some static pages and possible
>> file
>> >> downloads. It will not be connected to the Internet, just a local LAN.
>> >>
>> >> (Yes, I've used a RaspberryPi for this in the past. I just want to use
>> this
>> >> box this time.)
>> >>
>> >> I appreciate your suggestions.
>> >>
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Re: [PLUG] Minimal Distribution for Atom 550 Processor

[Nat Taylor]

https://www.archlinux.org/
https://www.ubuntu.com/core
http://www.tinycorelinux.net/

Really, I'd go for arch.  The install isn't that big of a deal really.  And
you get exactly what you want.
If you do ubuntu core you can use snaps to install what you need...


On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 11:53 AM W7DAL  wrote:

> Works fine with Linux Mint.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On May 21, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Tomas Kuchta 
> wrote:
> >
> > Atom 550 is basic 2010-ish 64-bit x86-64 low end CPU. As such it should
> > work with any mainstream modern distribution. Be it Fedora, Ubuntu,
> Debian,
> > openSuSE,  In no particular order.
> >
> > It is probably going to be very sluggish by any contemporary measure.
> And,
> > it does not support modern virtualization and does not support AES
> > instructions if you want to use it for anything to do with encryption
> > (networking, storage, etc.)
> >
> > Hope it helps,
> > -T
> >
> >> On Mon, May 20, 2019, 19:30 Michael Barnes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I got an SSD for this beast, now waiting on a power cord. In the
> meantime,
> >> trying to decide on what distribution I want to load. I was originally
> >> going to go with CentOS, but not sure if that is doable on this Atom
> >> processor. I saw a recommendation for Puppy Linux, but Puppy became very
> >> confusing very fast. Once installed, this will run headless. No GUI or
> >> anything is necessary. Just need basic network stuff like dhcp, ntp,
> gpsd,
> >> and maybe a lightweight webserver for some static pages and possible
> file
> >> downloads. It will not be connected to the Internet, just a local LAN.
> >>
> >> (Yes, I've used a RaspberryPi for this in the past. I just want to use
> this
> >> box this time.)
> >>
> >> I appreciate your suggestions.
> >>
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Re: [PLUG] Obtaining/compiling/installing python3.7

[Nat Taylor]

You could use the pyenv version manager:
https://realpython.com/intro-to-pyenv/


On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 4:18 PM  wrote:

> docker is container service - "like" running a lightweight virtual
> machine, except it is called containers.
>
> Loosely - It is a method of process and its environment isolation.
>
> I am sure thera are much better definitions and analogies.
>
> What these commands do (after you installed docker):
>   * download + create + start container with default Python 3 installed
> in it.
>   * that container already has all the dependencies installed in it
>   * note -c "python command" - that is how you interact with the
> container
>
> You should be able to find proper guides on:
> www.docker.com
> hub.docker.com
> https://hub.docker.com/_/python - scroll down to "Quick reference" for
> more
>
> Hope it helps, Tomas
>
> On Fri, 2019-04-26 at 16:45 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 04/26/2019 03:46 PM, Robert Citek wrote:
> > > If you have Docker and if it works for your use case ...
> > >
> > > $ docker run -t --rm python:3 python3 --version
> > >
> > > Python 3.7.3
> > >
> > > $ docker run -t --rm python:3 python3 -c 'print("hello, world!")'
> > >
> > > hello, world!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > - Robert
> > >
> >
> > Have no idea of what above means.
> > I have heard word "docker" but have no idea what it means.
> > I take above as a *HOMEWORK* assignment.
> >
> > IOW
> > If retirement is not for education, what use is it?
> >
> > IOW**2
> > I consider homework assignments to be as valuable, if not more so,
> > than
> > answers.
> >
> > I hope that makes sense.
> >
> >
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Re: [PLUG] OSCON

[Nat Taylor]

It would be a lot cooler if there was...

On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 7:58 AM Bill Morita  wrote:

> Is there a PLUG code ?
>
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Re: [PLUG] Has google outsmarted the linux text browsers?

[Nat Taylor]

Opinions on Searx, &/or Searx.me ?

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 6:13 PM Tom  wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 15:19:51 -0700
> Tomas Kuchta  wrote:
>
> > If you check the page source, it explains it all. The link doesn't
> > point to the original page, it points to Google, with a reference for
> > the actual page. Google then redirects you.
> >
> > So, you never request the page directly, you are always redirected by
> > Google. That way they are in full control of your browsing as well as
> > being able to get all the info about your visit through the embedded
> > JavaScript on the destination page, when they include it.
> >
> > I imagine that, if the destination wants the traffic from Google,
> > they need to embed their code. Otherwise it would old not show up in
> > G searches at the first place.
> >
> > Tomas
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 3:11 PM logical american
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Today I was trying 3 different linux text browsers, lynx, w3m and
> > > links, but found that all 3 could not fully capture the links in
> > > the google search engine page after doing a search query to
> > > www.google.com
> > >
> > > For example Google would give as the header line
> > >
> > > We have found our results
> > >
> > > then the URL line:
> > >
> > > http://www.foundourresults.com/our/data/.../is/here
> > >
> > > and some explanation below that...
> > >
> > > But notice the ellipsis ... in the url line. All 3 linux browsers
> > > would faithfully record the url line with the ellipsis, and thus
> > > the search results were unresolvable when used for a brand new
> > > lookup. However google carefully embeds the correct url in the
> > > header line which is where the browser actually goes next, after
> > > manually mouse clicking on that find.
> > >
> > > I noticed that Startpage doesn't use ellipsis in the url line, so
> > > it is simple to capture the url's using the -dump option to a file
> > > and later parse these for further internet lookup and they all work.
> > >
> > > How would one go about recovering the full urls from the Google
> > > search results so that a text browser successfully captures the
> > > fully specified URL reference?
> > >
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Re: [PLUG] Locked up!

[Nat Taylor]

Maybe set it up via Samba, and map a network drive?  Make sure you're using
NAT for networking, and that you can ping eachother.

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 3:45 PM John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:53:01 -0700
> Tomas Kuchta  dijo:
>
> >You have at least these options (from easiest to harder):
> >1. Setup USB device filter in vBox GUI. Windows should detect it when
> >connected.
>
> That was the first thing I tried, but it didn't work. Perhaps I set it
> up wrong. The instructions that I found said to set it up with no
> entries in any of the fields, and then it would work with any USB
> device.
>
> >2. Copy USB content to a directory, share it with guest and map it as a
> >drive in Windows.
>
> I can't get shared folders to work either.
>
> Note that I also have two other virtual machines, Win2000 and WinXP.
> Shared folders used to work with both of them, but no longer.
>
> I'll keep poking at it.
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Re: [PLUG] Locked up!

[Nat Taylor]

So, when you put the SD card in the reader, did Virtualbox see it, and were
you able to try to tell Virtualbox to send it to the VM?


On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 5:11 PM John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> Xubuntu 16.04 with a Windows 10 guest running in VirtualBox. I need to
> access an SD card with the Windows guest. The card is mounted on the
> host via the SD card slot. In the process of poking at things to get
> this to work suddenly the entire computer, host and guest were locked
> up, no mouse, no keyboard. The only clue is that the hard drive light
> was on solid, with apparently no disk activity going on. The only
> option was to power down and restart.
>
> The VirtualBox is from Oracle, not the Ubuntu repos. The Guest
> Additions and Extensions are also installed.
>
> I looked at /var/log/syslog, but didn't understand very much, and
> nothing stood out as a potential problem.
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Re: [PLUG] OSCON 2019 registration is now open

[Nat Taylor]

Is there a PLUG code?

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 12:36 PM Ronald Bynoe  wrote:

> Awesome! So cool, glad it's back in PDX to stay (hopefully)!
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019, 12:28 John Jason Jordan  wrote:
>
> > OSCON 2019 (back in Portland) registration is now open:
> >
> > (
> >
> HTTP://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/oscon-or?utm_medium=email_source=alumni_campaign=osor19_content=20190307+reg+open+em3a
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Re: [PLUG] Convert .wav to .mp3 in Slackware 14.2

[Nat Taylor]

This is good for FLAC: https://github.com/Bklyn/etree-scripts/

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 8:41 PM King Beowulf  wrote:

> On 2/25/19 11:40 AM, Dick Steffens wrote:
> > I am ripping some CDs and converting the .wav files to .mp3. I can do
> > this with the following in Ubuntu 18.04:
> >
> > for file in *.wav; do ffmpeg -i "${file}"  -acodec libmp3lame -ab 220k
> > "${file/.wav/.mp3}"; done
> >
> > When I run that in Slackware 14.2 I get the error message:
> >
> > Unknown encoder 'libmp3lame'
> >
> > I have installed slackpkgs for ffmpeg and lame. I'm guessing that the
> > codec provided by the slackpkg has a different name. How do I figure
> > that out? Or is there something else I'm missing here?
> >
>
> Dick
>
> Once you have the WAV files, you can use lame directly to convert:
>
> lame -q 2 --abr 220 file.wav file.mp3
>
> for average bitrate of 220k
>
> q n selects the acoustic algorithm to improve quality (5 is default).
>
> see 'man lame' for more settings as well as CBR and VBR bitrate parameters.
>
> -Ed
>
> PS: use flac.  mp3 quality sucks donkey balls.
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Re: [PLUG] TONIGHT! PLUG Meeting: PGP Key Storage with a Yubikey 4

[Nat Taylor]

It shouldn't be too hard to grab the stream via automated means and upload
it somewhere in the future.
VLC would definitely do the job.  But you'd think someone has it.
Looking at ways to distribute it, I see Mediagoblin, Plumi, MediaDrop, and
Drupal could also be used to implement a self hosted video site if
something like Vimeo or YouTube were not deemed viable alternatives due to
licensing/ownership issues.
Anyone used any of the first three?

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 3:49 PM Vince Winter 
wrote:

> I have also been curious about the streams as well.
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 2:55 PM Jason Barnett 
> wrote:
>
> > I am busy at work at that time, so will not be able to attend or watch
> the
> > live stream. Are these streams only available live or are they available
> > for download somewhere? I looked on the pdxlinux.org website and it
> > mentions the stream, but does not state one way or the other about
> > recordings.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jason
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:50 AM Michael Dexter 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Portland Linux/Unix Group General Meeting Announcement
> > >
> > > Who: Russell Senior
> > > What: PGP Key Storage with a Yubikey 4
> > > Where: PSU, 1930 SW 4th Ave. Room FAB 86-01 (Lower Level)
> > > When: Thursday, February 7th, 2019 at 7pm
> > > Why: The pursuit of technology freedom
> > > Stream: http://pdxlinux.org/live
> > >
> > > This presentation will walk through the use of a Yubikey 4 to hold an
> > > RSA PGP private key. Public key encryption requires protection of the
> > > private key. If control of the private key is lost, all reasoning about
> > > signatures and  encryption is compromised. Storing private keys on a
> > > hard disk and processed by the PC makes the private key vulnerable to
> > > compromise. A Yubikey promises to key your private key secret. There
> > > will also be a digression during the presentation into so-called true
> > > Random Number Generators, e.g. ChaosKey and InfiniteNoise.
> > >
> > >
> > > Calagator Page: http://calagator.org/events/1250474985
> > >
> > > Many will head to the Lucky Lab at 1945 NW Quimby St. after the
> meeting.
> > >
> > > Rideshares to the Lucky Lab available
> > >
> > > PLUG is open to everyone and does not tolerate abusive behavior on its
> > > mailing lists or at its meetings.
> > >
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Re: [PLUG] Vetting security apps (Rocket Chat)

[Nat Taylor]

That seems to be if you use their hosted service?
I don't believe that is applicable to the open source code they have posted
on github:
https://github.com/RocketChat
(interestingly, it looks like they use Meteor!)
(they also have snaps, as well as images in docker hub.  snaps look even
faster to deploy?)

This is the LIMITATION_OF_RESPONSIBILITY.md file from the repo for the
server:


WARNING to ROCKET.CHAT USERS

Rocket.Chat is open source software. Anyone in the world can download and
run a Rocket.Chat server at any time.

As a user of Rocket.Chat, someone with a Rocket.Chat account, you need to
be aware that you may be using a Rocket.Chat server that is operated by
arbitrary businesses, groups or individuals with no relationship to
Rocket.Chat Technologies Corp.

In particular:

   - Rocket.Chat Technologies Corp. do not have access to these servers.
   - Rocket.Chat Technologies Corp. do not and cannot control or regulate
   how these servers are operated.
   - Rocket.Chat Technologies Corp. cannot access, determine or regulate
   any contents or information flow on these servers.


IMPORTANT

For total transparency, Rocket.Chat Technologies Corp. owns and operates
only ONE publicly available Rocket.Chat server in the world. The server
that Rocket.Chat Technologies Corp. operates can only be accessed at:

https://open.rocket.chat

Any other Rocket.Chat server you access is not operated by Rocket.Chat
Technologies Corp. and is subjected to the usage warning above.

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:32 PM Mike C.  wrote:

> "Rocket Chat is another solution.  You can set up your own server fairly
> easily with docker if you want. I haven't seen a recent security audit for
> it."
>
> Unfortunately, this makes Rocket Chat a non-starter for me
>
> "When a User (including you) submits content or information to the
> Services, such as messages or files (“Customer Data”), you acknowledge
> and agree that the Customer Data is owned by Rocket.Chat. Rocket.Chat
> may provision or deprovision access to the Services, enable or disable
> third party integrations, manage permissions, retention and export
> settings, transfer or assign workspaces, share channels, or
> consolidate this workspace or channels with other workspaces or
> channels, and these choices and instructions may result in the access,
> use, disclosure, modification or deletion of certain or all Customer
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Re: [PLUG] What should prompt look like?

[Nat Taylor]

Putting the PS1 line in a blank .bashrc file should do the trick

Here's mine:

#

# ~/.bashrc

#


# If not running interactively, don't do anything

[[ $- != *i* ]] && return


alias ls='ls --color=auto'

PS1='[\u@\h \W]\$ '






and here is my .bash_profile




#

# ~/.bash_profile

#


[[ -f ~/.bashrc ]] && . ~/.bashrc







I omitted the lines pertaining to byobu

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:51 AM Dick Steffens  wrote:

> On 1/9/19 8:46 AM, David wrote:
> >
> > There are two files that get sourced on login, depending on how you
> > start a session:
> >
> > .bash_profile
> > .bashrc
> >
> >
> https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/51036/what-is-the-difference-between-bash-profile-and-bashrc
>
> The only file I have starting with .bash is .bash_history
>
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Re: [PLUG] What should prompt look like?

[Nat Taylor]

not sure why ssh generates the PS1 but your normal terminal doesn't. I'd
poke around for SSH in your .bashrc

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:32 AM Nat Taylor  wrote:

> This should be of help:
> http://bashrcgenerator.com/
> I believe you need to set your PS1 in .bashrc
> Here is a tutorial on doing it manually:
>
> https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-bash-shell-setup-prompt.html
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:23 AM Dick Steffens 
> wrote:
>
>> On my "new" Slackware machine, booting in run level 3, after startx, and
>> opening a terminal, the prompt looks like:
>>
>> bash-4.3$
>>
>> When I log in via ssh the prompt looks like:
>>
>> rsteff@ENU-2:~$
>>
>> When I open a terminal on Ubuntu, the prompt looks like:
>>
>> Dick@ENU-1:~$
>>
>> Why doesn't the prompt in the first example look like the one in the
>> second, or similar to the one in the third?
>>
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Re: [PLUG] What should prompt look like?

[Nat Taylor]

This should be of help:
http://bashrcgenerator.com/
I believe you need to set your PS1 in .bashrc
Here is a tutorial on doing it manually:
https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-bash-shell-setup-prompt.html

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:23 AM Dick Steffens  wrote:

> On my "new" Slackware machine, booting in run level 3, after startx, and
> opening a terminal, the prompt looks like:
>
> bash-4.3$
>
> When I log in via ssh the prompt looks like:
>
> rsteff@ENU-2:~$
>
> When I open a terminal on Ubuntu, the prompt looks like:
>
> Dick@ENU-1:~$
>
> Why doesn't the prompt in the first example look like the one in the
> second, or similar to the one in the third?
>
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Re: [PLUG] Vetting security apps?

[Nat Taylor]

Rocket Chat is another solution.  You can set up your own server fairly
easily with docker if you want.
I haven't seen a recent security audit for it.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 10:59 PM Russell Senior 
wrote:

> I like the key validation part of keybase, which somewhat takes the place
> of crypto party in-person web-of-trust key exchange event thingies. For
> those unfamiliar, keybase uses various social media accounts or domain or
> website rights to demonstrate that a person that is able to post
> information to those places also has access to their private key. So, for
> example, if you know someone and follow their work on a social media
> account or can check their DNS information or a magical URL on a site they
> control, and you are reasonably confident they haven't been kidnapped and
> they haven't mentioned losing control of their private key, then you have
> some confidence you have a valid public key.
>
> I don't completely trust the keybase application (in fact I have it turned
> off) because "it's just some random binary a company gave me".  It does
> some cool things though, including the userfs where you can copy files and
> they are magically transported to a corresponding directory on another
> keybase users machine, and vice versa. I think the application is open
> source though, so you could presumably inspect the source code and build it
> yourself. I haven't tried that.
>
> To your specific question at the end, I don't have much to contribute,
> sadly.
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 10:42 PM Mike C.  wrote:
>
> > I'm curious to know what others do in vetting security apps they use
> > or may recommend to others.
> >
> > I use a variety of fairly well known secure email & chat apps but just
> > learned about an app called Keybase. https://keybase.io/docs
> >
> > It's like encrypted Slack but also some really interesting things like
> > an encrypted cloud based file system and secure digital identity
> > management.
> >
> > Also, this seems like they're using blockchain:
> > "Every account on Keybase has a public history. "Sigchains" let
> > Keybase clients reconstruct the present without trusting Keybase's
> > servers. And when you "follow" someone on Keybase, you sign a snapshot
> > of your view of the claims in their sigchain."
> >
> > In the past I trusted apps that I use because of recommendations by
> > the EFF, Edward Snowden, the general digital security community.
> >
> > Currently, there doesn't seem to be too much written up about  Keybase
> > other than an article on HackerNews from 2016.
> >
> > The ask. Does anyone play a bit more on the bleeding edge with privacy
> > & encryption apps and if so how do you go about vetting an a new app
> > that's relatively unknown?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
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Re: [PLUG] ssh -X "Could not parse arguments: Cannot open display:"

[Nat Taylor]

Ok I just tested this (something different) from an Ubuntu VM on my laptop
to my Arch server in the other room

I started by trying: ssh -Y 192.168.0.2
it gave me a message: X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0 , and
logged me into the machine without x

so I Edited /etc/ssh/sshd_config file:

$ sudo vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config
and set the following two options:

X11Forwarding yes
X11UseLocalhost no

and then I

sudo systemctl reload sshd

then logged out, then I was able to ssh -Y 192.168.0.2

and I successfully launched deepin-terminal


incidentally, when I:

echo $DISPLAY

on the deepin-terminal it returns

serverName:10.0


also, xorg-xauth is installed on the server




On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 10:39 AM John Meissen  wrote:

>
> biob...@gmail.com said:
> > In my experience, I need to be logged into X on the machine I'm ssh -Xing
> > into, and then you need to (you could also add this to your .bashrc file)
>
> > export DISPLAY=:0.0
>
> That would be very much the wrong thing to do, and would break things.
>
> Set up correctly, the ssh server sets up a different socket on the remote
> system to act as a tunnel to the machine you're coming from. So, for
> instance,
> from one of my ssh sessions:
>
>  $ echo $DISPLAY
>  localhost:14.0
>
> If it's not working then you still have the ssh client or server
> configured
> wrong.
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Re: [PLUG] ssh -X "Could not parse arguments: Cannot open display:"

[Nat Taylor]

In my experience, I need to be logged into X on the machine I'm ssh -Xing
into, and then you need to (you could also add this to your .bashrc file)

export DISPLAY=:0.0


On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 10:22 AM Dick Steffens  wrote:

> On 1/2/19 10:31 PM, Larry Brigman wrote:
> > Maybe I'm stating the obvious. Normally you would be running this command
> > from a local X client where the shell would have the $DISPLAY value set.
> > Like this:
> > echo $DISPLAY
> > 127.0.0.1:0.0
>
> I was sitting at my Slackware laptop in the living room, my first
> Slackware install, and decided to see how it responded:
>
> bash-4.3$ echo $DISPLAY
> :0.0
> bash-4.3$
>
> When I ssh -X into it from my other Slackware machine, I get a blank
> line when I echo $DISPLAY.
>
> Back on the laptop, I tried connecting to my Ubuntu machine and running
> caja:
>
> dick@ENU-1:~$ caja
> Could not parse arguments: Cannot open display:
> dick@ENU-1:~$ echo $DISPLAY
>
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Re: [PLUG] An apology needed? - was [Re: Wanted: handheld data collection device with Linux OS]

[Nat Taylor]

I may have to check out the Noodle pi too!

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:35 AM Richard Owlett  wrote:

> On 11/15/2018 09:29 AM, Nat Taylor wrote:
> > The Dual Boot Gemini is in production, and is available in wifi-only.
> > You can buy it here:
> >
> https://store.planetcom.co.uk/collections/gemini-pda/products/gemini-pda-wifi-only?variant=6314880499739
>
> Was referring to it when I said "I'm tracking it." I received a response
> from them on one point of concern. It may have Noodle Pi as competitor.
>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 7:12 AM Johnathan Mantey 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Richard,
> >>
> >> I viewed one of the links I provided in the "old devices" thread,
> related
> >> to this one.  It seems based on what I just read that the *Noodle Pi*
> may
> >> be very close to your list of requirements.
> >> I also sent another link, which I have not viewed, comparing 5 different
> >> handheld devices (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXNllO79_68)
> >>
> >> You hadn't commented on the info provided, so I wanted to add it to this
> >> thread.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 6:32 AM Richard Owlett 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 11/13/2018 07:46 PM, Russell Senior wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 1:26 PM Richard Owlett 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I know I have *WEIRD* preferences.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How should I pose questions in a manner that they would be taken
> >>>>> _ *EXTREMELY LITERALLY* _?
> >>>>
> >>>> You should pose it knowing that you may get answers that don't fit
> >>>> perfectly. You are responsible for wading through the responses and
> >>>> extracting the value you can. They may be the best answers available
> >>>> from the people you are asking. Learn to live with that.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> ROFL? Don't know if I should laugh, cry, groan, or inspire a SNL skit
> ;}
> >>> Been "living with 'it' " for ~half a century :}
> >>> Who? Me? Strange world view? 
> >>>
> >>> More seriously, compared to other fora this one has a better track
> >>> record of answering the questions actually asked rather than the
> >>> question that some wished I had asked.
> >>>
> >>> You have to see the humor of this thread.
> >>>
> >>> 1. I state I'm interested in current production.
> >>>  It is suggested I buy decade old units on ebay.
> >>>  Some came closer by mentioning things that barely made it out of
> >>>  a crowd funding phase before ceasing production.
> >>>
> >>> 2. I specify *"physical form factor similar to a Palm Pilot"* and
> >>>  having USB connectivity.
> >>>  I can't have that as USB did not exist in Palm Pilot era.
> >>>
> >>> 3. I specify a "Linux device" and " *NOT* be shipped with Android OS".
> >>>  I'm told that is unreasonable as ~"everybody uses Android".
> >>>  [One person did point to a device shipped with Linux dual booted.
> It
> >>>   meets my underlying requirement on not having to deal with
> Android.
> >>>   It is unclear if it has yet entered production &/or ships with my
> >>>   preferred mix of options. I'm tracking it.]
> >>>
> >>> I've had requests for justification of some of my specifications.
> >>>
> >>> My physical environment strongly influences my choices:
> >>> 1. due to >70 years of wear-n-tear my doctor would like data.
> >>> 2. pen and paper is non-viable.
> >>> 3. I'm on an exercise program which would benefit from records.
> >>> 4. walking with a pair of forearm crutches which introduces
> >>>portability issues.
> >>>
> >>> I specify Linux for choice of installing only relevant software
> >>> and is easily customized - in my case by Tcl/Tk scripts.
> >>>
> >>> Android is not acceptable due to personal experience. A few years ago
> >>> Lenovo had a cell phone available in three configurations:
> >>> 1. with sim card and a cell phone carrier.
> >>> 2. with no sim card installed making cell connectivity optional.
> >>> 3. *without* possibility of installing a sim

Re: [PLUG] Wanted: handheld data collection device with Linux OS

[Nat Taylor]

It's Debian!
https://liliputing.com/2018/01/hands-gemini-pda-handheld-pc-android-linux-6-inch-display.html

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 5:29 PM Nat Taylor  wrote:

> Here's a dual boot linux/android pda in production.
> You might be able to get it without android, or delete android yourself...
>
> https://store.planetcom.co.uk/collections/gemini-pda/products/gemini-pda-wifi-only?variant=6314880499739
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:15 AM Richard Owlett 
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/11/2018 10:43 PM, Nat Taylor wrote:
>> > How about the Nokia N900 or the Neo900? https://neo900.org/
>>
>> Quotes from URL:> This is a crowdfunded project and the device is
>> currently in development.
>> &
>> > You can now place down payments to partially fund Neo900 devices and
>> NeoN boards in our shop!
>>
>> If it makes it to production before I find something else, it may be
>> suitable.
>>
>> > I guess they have cellular modems. > The Nokia N770 N800 and N810 all
>> have no cellular modem.
>>
>> Evidently no longer in production
>> [
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nokia_products#Past_products_and_services
>> ]
>>
>> >
>> > You could put a raspberry pi (zero or no) in your own custom case with
>> > touchscreen...
>> >
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4biamr/a_list_of_handheldpocket_linux_computers/
>>
>> Lists only discontinued or DIY items.
>>
>> > https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/
>>
>> Not yet in production.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 11:58 AM Richard Owlett 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I had seen some about it before or as starting production.
>> >> I does not meet my "current production" requirement as
>> >> "By March 2018, Next Thing Co. had entered insolvency. Many customers
>> >> still had not received their pre-orders."
>> >> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Thing_Co.#Milestones]
>> >>
>> >> On 11/11/2018 10:36 AM, Larry Brigman wrote:
>> >>> Did you happen to find the pocketChip in your search?
>> >>> https://makerprojectlab.com/pocket-chip-review/
>> >>> https://shop.pocketchip.co/
>> >>>
>> >>> There is probably plans on thingy for a 3d printed case.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:13 AM Rich Shepard > >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I kick myself for not having purchased a Palm Pilot back in the day.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  eBay probably has them for sale. I bought backup Treo 700ps and
>> a
>> >> Palm
>> >>>> Pilot on eBay because they are so useful (the Palm Pilot is for the
>> time
>> >>>> all
>> >>>> the Treos die.)
>> >>>>
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Re: [PLUG] Wanted: handheld data collection device with Linux OS

[Nat Taylor]

Here's a dual boot linux/android pda in production.
You might be able to get it without android, or delete android yourself...
https://store.planetcom.co.uk/collections/gemini-pda/products/gemini-pda-wifi-only?variant=6314880499739

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:15 AM Richard Owlett  wrote:

> On 11/11/2018 10:43 PM, Nat Taylor wrote:
> > How about the Nokia N900 or the Neo900? https://neo900.org/
>
> Quotes from URL:> This is a crowdfunded project and the device is
> currently in development.
> &
> > You can now place down payments to partially fund Neo900 devices and
> NeoN boards in our shop!
>
> If it makes it to production before I find something else, it may be
> suitable.
>
> > I guess they have cellular modems. > The Nokia N770 N800 and N810 all
> have no cellular modem.
>
> Evidently no longer in production
> [
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nokia_products#Past_products_and_services
> ]
>
> >
> > You could put a raspberry pi (zero or no) in your own custom case with
> > touchscreen...
> >
> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4biamr/a_list_of_handheldpocket_linux_computers/
>
> Lists only discontinued or DIY items.
>
> > https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/
>
> Not yet in production.
>
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 11:58 AM Richard Owlett 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I had seen some about it before or as starting production.
> >> I does not meet my "current production" requirement as
> >> "By March 2018, Next Thing Co. had entered insolvency. Many customers
> >> still had not received their pre-orders."
> >> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Thing_Co.#Milestones]
> >>
> >> On 11/11/2018 10:36 AM, Larry Brigman wrote:
> >>> Did you happen to find the pocketChip in your search?
> >>> https://makerprojectlab.com/pocket-chip-review/
> >>> https://shop.pocketchip.co/
> >>>
> >>> There is probably plans on thingy for a 3d printed case.
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:13 AM Rich Shepard  >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I kick myself for not having purchased a Palm Pilot back in the day.
> >>>>
> >>>>  eBay probably has them for sale. I bought backup Treo 700ps and a
> >> Palm
> >>>> Pilot on eBay because they are so useful (the Palm Pilot is for the
> time
> >>>> all
> >>>> the Treos die.)
> >>>>
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Re: [PLUG] Wanted: handheld data collection device with Linux OS

[Nat Taylor]

How about the Nokia N900 or the Neo900? https://neo900.org/
I guess they have cellular modems.
The Nokia N770 N800 and N810 all have no cellular modem.

You could put a raspberry pi (zero or no) in your own custom case with
touchscreen...
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4biamr/a_list_of_handheldpocket_linux_computers/
https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/


On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 11:58 AM Richard Owlett  wrote:

> I had seen some about it before or as starting production.
> I does not meet my "current production" requirement as
> "By March 2018, Next Thing Co. had entered insolvency. Many customers
> still had not received their pre-orders."
> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Thing_Co.#Milestones]
>
> On 11/11/2018 10:36 AM, Larry Brigman wrote:
> > Did you happen to find the pocketChip in your search?
> > https://makerprojectlab.com/pocket-chip-review/
> > https://shop.pocketchip.co/
> >
> > There is probably plans on thingy for a 3d printed case.
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:13 AM Rich Shepard  wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>
> >>> I kick myself for not having purchased a Palm Pilot back in the day.
> >>
> >> eBay probably has them for sale. I bought backup Treo 700ps and a
> Palm
> >> Pilot on eBay because they are so useful (the Palm Pilot is for the time
> >> all
> >> the Treos die.)
> >>
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Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Mate 18.04 Root full...

[Nat Taylor]

if you type
du / | sort -n

it will tell you the size of all the files and folders underneath /
(Everything!), and pipe it to the sort program, which will sort by size
when you give it the -n flag

you will need to wait a while for the operation to complete, and it won't
look into protected directories unless you run as root.

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 12:42 AM King Beowulf  wrote:

> On 11/4/18 8:37 PM, Chuck Hast wrote:
> > Well, doing a df I see that / is the 9.1G partition and the other one is
> > /home.
> >
> > Prior to cleaning, the partition was 9.05G full, after doing the cleanup
> it
> > is now down to 8.7G.
> > so I have got to see what all is in it. Or I will have to make it
> bigger. I
> > have a boat load of empty
> > space on the HD so I can shrink home a bit and give it some more space,
> but
> > if it is just going
> > to eat that up with some blackhole files I need to find out what they are
> > and see what can be
> > trimmed.
> > / is /dev/sda1
> > /home is /dev/sda5
> >
> > Here is what df returns
> > kp4djt@kp4djt64:~$ df
> > Filesystem1K-blocks  Used Available Use%
> > Mounted on
> > udev   10193624 0  10193624   0% /dev
> > tmpfs   2044984  1468   2043516   1% /run
> > /dev/sda1   9649432   8647828491716  95% /
> >...snip...
>
> Where is '/tmp' and '/var'? On '/' which is '/dev/sda1'? If this is the
> case, your root partition is way too small.  You might just have a boat
> load of temporary and log files.  Also, package managers take up a bunch
> of space so you should check there as well.
>
> Consider also that when a distro claims "Minimum of X GB of Disk Space
> to install" that is wishful thinking in the real world. You really need
> to set aside at least 2X GB for any additional packages, logs, and temp
> files.
>
> -Ed
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Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Mate 18.04 Root full...

[Nat Taylor]

cd /
du . | sort -n

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 5:42 PM Bill Barry  wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 1:34 AM Chuck Hast  wrote:
>
> > Folks.
> > I went to do an update when it tried to upgrade things the whole thing
> > abended
> > with a batch of lines indicating that "root was almost full". I went to
> > look at it and
> > found the the directory had to be accessed as administrator, when I
> looked
> > into it
> > I did not see anything of large size. The root directory is 9.1G in size,
> > if I look at
> > it with gpartd it is shown as almost full. But I cannot find the
> offending
> > file(s).
> >
> > I did a google on root full and it's variants (I have only seen this one
> on
> > Mate 18.04,
> > on 16.04 it never showed up). I am trying to figure out how to recover
> from
> > the bad
> > update as it will not even boot now.
> >
> > One other thing which maybe related to this, the last log files are from
> > May?!?!
> >
> >
> > apt-get purge
> might clean some unneeded packages out.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Jerky Mouse

[Nat Taylor]

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynergyHowto
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Synergy
etc... its in all the repos I think...

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 7:53 PM Nat Taylor  wrote:

> One solution might be to install synergy, and use one mouse for both.  You
> can set it up so if you drag the mouse off the right of the laptop screen,
> and have it go onto the desktop screen.  https://symless.com/synergy
>
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 12:21 PM Ben Koenig  wrote:
>
>> If anyone really wants to dig into the causes of RF interference, here is
>> a
>> fun read
>>
>> https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/white-papers/usb3-frequency-interference-paper.pdf
>>
>> The description of a "jerky mouse" is actually very common in technical
>> support. What the user perceives as intermittent drop outs are typically
>> the result of reduced range.
>>
>> Without testing I can't say that this is the problem John is having but
>> ...
>>
>> It is *extremely* common. What happens is that a USB3 capable device (any
>> device) will introduce RF interference on the 2.4 and 2.5GHz bands. All
>> USB3 ports, cables, and devices are buzzing with this noise, proportional
>> to the amount of data being transferred over the connection.
>>
>> So a mouse with a range of 10ft will often drop to half of that, or less,
>> when another USB device is in use. The "Jerky mouse" occurs when the
>> mousepad is sitting on the edge of this range. Move too far to the
>> right...
>> disappears. Move to the left, it speeds up. as you wiggle your hand trying
>> to make it move, the mouse repeatedly disappears and re-appears to its
>> wireless controller.
>>
>> You don't need to build a faraday cage because Intel already did, and the
>> results are (IMO) fascinating.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 6:01 AM Rich Shepard 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, t...@wescottdesign.com wrote:
>> >
>> > > I know that this comment is the essence of thread drift, but you need
>> to
>> > > be careful with your titles. I've spent the evening being distracted
>> of
>> > > thoughts of a mouse built out of thin sheets of dried, smoked beef.
>> >
>> >And I -- briefly -- considered asking how mouse jerky compares with
>> > deer,
>> > elk, or cow jerky. :-)
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Re: [PLUG] Jerky Mouse

[Nat Taylor]

One solution might be to install synergy, and use one mouse for both.  You
can set it up so if you drag the mouse off the right of the laptop screen,
and have it go onto the desktop screen.  https://symless.com/synergy

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 12:21 PM Ben Koenig  wrote:

> If anyone really wants to dig into the causes of RF interference, here is a
> fun read
>
> https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/white-papers/usb3-frequency-interference-paper.pdf
>
> The description of a "jerky mouse" is actually very common in technical
> support. What the user perceives as intermittent drop outs are typically
> the result of reduced range.
>
> Without testing I can't say that this is the problem John is having but ...
>
> It is *extremely* common. What happens is that a USB3 capable device (any
> device) will introduce RF interference on the 2.4 and 2.5GHz bands. All
> USB3 ports, cables, and devices are buzzing with this noise, proportional
> to the amount of data being transferred over the connection.
>
> So a mouse with a range of 10ft will often drop to half of that, or less,
> when another USB device is in use. The "Jerky mouse" occurs when the
> mousepad is sitting on the edge of this range. Move too far to the right...
> disappears. Move to the left, it speeds up. as you wiggle your hand trying
> to make it move, the mouse repeatedly disappears and re-appears to its
> wireless controller.
>
> You don't need to build a faraday cage because Intel already did, and the
> results are (IMO) fascinating.
>
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 6:01 AM Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, t...@wescottdesign.com wrote:
> >
> > > I know that this comment is the essence of thread drift, but you need
> to
> > > be careful with your titles. I've spent the evening being distracted of
> > > thoughts of a mouse built out of thin sheets of dried, smoked beef.
> >
> >And I -- briefly -- considered asking how mouse jerky compares with
> > deer,
> > elk, or cow jerky. :-)
> >
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Re: [PLUG] IdeaPad 330 - I'm having a difficult tome installing Ubuntu

[Nat Taylor]

More details would help solve the problem.
are you having problems with network connectivity?
at what point during the install process are you getting error messages?
what are they?

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 5:05 PM mitch Stanley 
wrote:

> Hi, Purchased a new laptop - Leveno  Ideapad 330 & I'm having a difficult
> tome installing Ubuntu - Tried 16.04 & 18.04 per CD disc install.  ( I'm
> advanced beginner) .
> I have not come across anything helpful  but if you could provide -  Links
> (s) , Advice, it would be appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks in Advance , Mitch Stanley
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Re: [PLUG] Firefox is a pig

[Nat Taylor]

Do you have ublock origin and privacy badger installed?   Those might limit
firefox's memory use.

On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Ali Corbin  wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 10:07 AM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:
>
> > Firefox 61.0.1 on Xubuntu 16.04.
> >
> > I have tried Chrome, Midori, and lots of other browsers, but they all
> > fail to provide all the functionality that I need. And they tend to be
> > just as gluttonous as Firefox anyway.
> >
> > The big problem is CPU usage. The computer has 16GB of RAM, and I never
> > come close to using all of it. But Firefox usually takes most of the
> > CPU. This leaves me little for ripping and encoding movies, which is
> > also very CPU intensive.
> >
> > I found a little program called cpulimit, which doesn't quite work. I
> > launched Firefox yesterday with 'cpulimit -l 20 firefox' and right now
> > Firefox itself is taking a mere 3% of the CPU, but there are currently
> > four Firefox child processes ('contentproc') and one of them is taking
> > 80%. This wouldn't be annoying if it was just a temporary usage while
> > it was loading a web page or something, but it has been stuck at 80%
> > for the past hour, even though all Firefox windows are minimized.
> >
> > The only way to get Firefox to behave is to kill it completely. And if
> > I then re-launch it, even though I have it restore the previous
> > session, it initially takes little of the CPU, but by a couple hours
> > later it is back to taking almost all of it.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > In the past I've used 'nice' to invoke nasty batch processes, to keep
> them
> from totally taking over the cpu.  I've never tried it with a browser, but
> it might be interesting to see if it helps any.
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Re: [PLUG] eCommerce Special Deals

[Nat Taylor]

Tell him to drop the damn price on the membership at noon?  Can't he set an
alarm and do it himself?
And doesn't he have a Staging/Production setup, where he can set up the
sale in Staging and push it to Production at Noon?

I'm sure there's ways to automate this too, but the above method doesnt'
seem like rocket science.

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 1:27 PM, c  wrote:

> If your webmaster is talking about say an ecommerce suite that handles
> online ordering and you want any orders submitted after 12:00 noon to
> automatically bill at a different price than those submitted at say 11:59,
> then they could be right. The systems out there to handle online orders and
> stock tracking can be pretty complex and it is possible you don't have that
> set up.
>
> If its just an issue of having the sale banner appear starting at noon some
> day, or a landing page appear different at that time and forward, then that
> is very doable.
>
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 1:00 PM Ben Koenig  wrote:
>
> > He appears to be assuming that you want some magical solution that checks
> > to see what timezone someone is connecting from, and presents the web
> page
> > based on where they are located.
> >
> > Looks like this guy just attempted to teach you how timezones work and
> > clearly has no idea that what you are doing is standard practice in
> > ecommerce.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Tyrell Jentink 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It's not even true that "nobody who does on line sales would do such a
> > > thing."
> > >
> > > OnePlus, a maker of high end specialty Android phones, recently
> released
> > a
> > > bluetooth in-ear headphone with lots of pre-release blog hype. The
> device
> > > itself has been released in small batches, always at 10am PST in the
> US;
> > > There is a different launch time in Europe, and a third in Asia, also
> > 10am
> > > in one of their local timezones... They seem to always sell out in mere
> > > minutes of the link going live, so the gimmick is working for them.
> They
> > > don't currently have a release scheduled, so I can't give you a link,
> but
> > > it at least conceptually proves that this is DEFINITELY a "Thing that
> is
> > > done in ecommerce", for pretty much the same set of reasons you would
> do
> > it
> > > in regular commerce, not the least of which to drive demand and hype.
> > >
> > > So this admin is obviously full of bunk...
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 29, 2018, 11:47 Michael Barnes 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is part of a club management system called Wild Apricot. Working
> > > with
> > > > our webmaster is a real challenge. More organizational politics than
> > > > anything I guess.
> > > > Thanks for your comments.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 7:10 AM, Michael Rasmussen <
> mich...@jamhome.us
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2018-07-28 20:38, Michael Barnes wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Not really specifically a Linux thing, but you are the best group
> of
> > > > folks
> > > > >> I have access to.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Considering an online store, we have an issue of a special sale
> > coming
> > > > up
> > > > >> of a limited number of a product. We expect this item to be in
> high
> > > > demand
> > > > >> and folks will be waiting in line to purchase. We would like to
> > > announce
> > > > >> the sale will start at Noon Pacific Time on the chosen date. We
> felt
> > > > this
> > > > >> would give the most customers an even chance to purchase as
> opposed
> > to
> > > > >> starting at some seemingly random time.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> First, does this seem like a logical concept? Our webmaster claims
> > it
> > > is
> > > > >> not doable with our current software. He says he can only have the
> > > sale
> > > > >> start at midnight, but he is unable to determine what time zone
> that
> > > > >> particular midnight is, whether it is our Pacific time or whatever
> > > time
> > > > >> zone the host server happens to be in (which we do not actually
> > know).
> > > > He
> > > > >> also claims no known ecommerce software allows this and nobody who
> > > does
> > > > on
> > > > >> line sales would do such a thing.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I would guess it is not unlike buying tickets to a movie on line
> and
> > > > >> waiting until they go on sale to purchase and there only being a
> > small
> > > > >> number available.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > Any CMS worth its name allows publication at and after a specific
> > time.
> > > > > I'd press the webmaster.
> > > > > If you share your CMS software/platform someone here may be able to
> > > point
> > > > > out how it's done on that platform.
> > > > >
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Re: [PLUG] reccomendations for domain providers

[Nat Taylor]

I agree w/ nearlyfreespeech, although I use them as a domain registrar.
for a host I like greengeeks.

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:34 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Jul 2018, Joe Shisei Niski wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a domain provider for a small, low-profile,low-traffic
>> website.
>>
>
> Joe,
>
>   Nearly Free Speech . The price
> recently
> went up from $0.05/month to $0.35/month. It'a DIY web host. They have
> pricier options but for my static site it's ideal.
>
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Re: [PLUG] What is /exports/users for?

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Questions that might help diagnose your issue:
What distro are you using?
What Desktop Environment or Window Manager are you using?
and are you using NFS, Samba, or any other file sharing protocols. (Apple,
?)

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 7:20 PM, David Barr  wrote:

> I ~was~ going to point to it in the LFHS, but I was thinking of /mnt... (
> http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/index.html) In any case,
> it's non-standard.
>
> If I were to guess, /exports is the FS set aside for for NFS-Server. That
> is, the material on this server that gets exported via NFS lives in this
> FS. Since NFS can (much more easily now) be limited at the filesystem
> level, that reduces the chances that a Bad Actor can cross the NFS-exported
> filesystem boundary.
>
> But, none of that is relevant to your question, really, unless you're
> deliberately exporting all of your attached removable devices...
>
> David
>
> > On Jun 15, 2018, at 6:08 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:
> >
> > I just discovered that I have a new folder labeled /exports/users that
> > contains folders for all the currently attached removable devices,
> > including my NAS. These devices also appear at /media/jjj, as they
> > always have. I can write or delete files on these devices from either
> > location, either with the GUI (Thunar) or the command line.
> >
> > Why is it necessary for devices to appear in two places? Whose idea was
> > this?
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Re: [PLUG] Some how my system boots into text mode

[Nat Taylor]

you could try uninstalling and purging GDM if that doesn't want to
uninstall too many other important things, then reinstall.
Or, leave GDM installed, install LightDM, and enable and default it if not

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:14 AM, carl day  wrote:

> Not running fedora26, mine is arch.
> Is GDM service started and enabled ? not running a "DM" my self
> Current Gnome defaults  to wayland NOT xorg
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Re: [PLUG] Clinic on Sunday

[Nat Taylor]

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 7:36 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:
>
> One problem with sshfs is that the instructions said to install this
> and that and everything went well until apt-get gave me an 'unable to
> locate package error.' I might have been able to overcome the error by
> finding the package somewhere, but I decided to just hang it up until
> the Clinic. There were too many commands that I didn't understand. Even
> when they worked I had no idea what they were doing. And bear in mind
> that the desktop has 17.10, while the laptop has 14.04. I intend to
> upgrade both to 18.04 when it is released, but the laptop upgrade is
> not a task that I am looking forward to.
>

I would imagine (imagine being the operative term here) that there might be
some issues with your old os on the laptop having old versions with old
configurations of packages.
As far as finding a package you can't find, try apt-cache search <*and get
creative with your search terms.  minimum identifying characters of package
name, or something that might be in the description>*
Nowadays, in Debian and Ubuntu, you might use apt search and apt install
instead of apt-get and apt-cache .  Not sure if apt is present in 14.04
there is also the backports repository you can add, which might have your
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Re: [PLUG] Wireless keyboards

[Nat Taylor]

a best buy laptop section with as many computers as keyboards, so you can
try it all at once!

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:14 PM, Michael Barnes 
wrote:

> Thanks, Russell. That's kind of what I was afraid of. Thought there might
> be something easier that rote trial and error.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:48 PM, Russell Senior  >
> wrote:
>
> > USB is hotplug, so you don't need to reboot.  What I would do would be
> > to get your dongles and your keyboards and mice and lay them all out.
> > Make sure the keyboards and mice have fresh batteries.  Plug the
> > dongles in one at a time and then try all the devices (press a key,
> > wiggle the mouse) until you find the one that is interacting, then
> > take out the dongle and put it with that thing (or label them, or
> > whatever association you prefer).
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 6:58 PM, Michael Barnes 
> > wrote:
> > > Over time, I have collected a variety of wireless keyboards and mice.
> > Some
> > > are used infrequently, like with Raspberry Pis. Now, I find a box with
> > > several keyboards, several mice, and several little dongles. Is there
> any
> > > way to determine which goes with which? Other than lots of trial and
> > error
> > > plugging them in, rebooting, etc?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Michael
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Re: [PLUG] Cannot access cell from USB

[Nat Taylor]

I use AndFTP or Airdroid

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 3:06 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:

> Yes, I tried that one, the solution that I found did not work, I am still
> working
> on it though. The two installs of Ubuntu Mate 16.04 work just fine, but
> this
> machine which has the same quite some time back. I am going to back it up
> and perhaps just re-lay the OS and start anew, may wait until 18.04 comes
> out
> though...
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 3:20 PM, Russell Senior 
> wrote:
>
> > My usual route is to pick one of the more readable error messages and
> > google that, e.g. "LIBMTP ERROR: couldnt parse extension samsung.com"
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 10:29 AM, Chuck Hast  wrote:
> > > Folks,
> > > I used to be able to access my cell when I plugged it into this
> machine.
> > > There
> > > was and upgrade some time back and after that it would not allow
> access.
> > I
> > > am trying to figure out what is going on but no joy.
> > >
> > > I know this is a lot of crap, I am trying to figure out what to google
> to
> > > see if
> > > I can resolve it. I usually just plug it into one of my laptops which
> DO
> > > see the
> > > phone and then just move the files off of the phone onto a session
> with a
> > > remote screen of the computer that will not see the phone.
> > >
> > > --- Begin big load of log stuff
> > > -
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mar  2 12:19:25 kp4djt64 kernel: [11834.772141] usb 2-1.7.2: new
> > high-speed
> > > USB device number 11 using ehci-pci
> > > Mar  2 12:19:25 kp4djt64 kernel: [11834.882834] usb 2-1.7.2: New USB
> > device
> > > found, idVendor=04e8, idProduct=6860
> > > Mar  2 12:19:25 kp4djt64 kernel: [11834.882842] usb 2-1.7.2: New USB
> > device
> > > strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
> > > Mar  2 12:19:25 kp4djt64 kernel: [11834.882845] usb 2-1.7.2: Product:
> > > SAMSUNG_Android
> > > Mar  2 12:19:25 kp4djt64 kernel: [11834.882849] usb 2-1.7.2:
> > Manufacturer:
> > > SAMSUNG
> > > Mar  2 12:19:25 kp4djt64 kernel: [11834.882852] usb 2-1.7.2:
> > SerialNumber:
> > > ce0817186b237e2f02
> > > Mar  2 12:19:26 kp4djt64 org.gtk.vfs.GPhoto2VolumeMonitor[4105]:
> > > (process:4178): GVFS-GPhoto2-WARNING **: device (null) has no BUSNUM
> > > property, ignoring
> > > Mar  2 12:19:26 kp4djt64 org.gtk.vfs.GPhoto2VolumeMonitor[1912]:
> > > (process:3220): GVFS-GPhoto2-WARNING **: device (null) has no BUSNUM
> > > property, ignoring
> > > Mar  2 12:19:26 kp4djt64 org.gtk.vfs.Daemon[1912]: PTP: reading event
> an
> > > error 0x02ff occurredDevice 0 (VID=04e8 and PID=6860) is a Samsung
> Galaxy
> > > models (MTP).
> > > Mar  2 12:19:26 kp4djt64 org.gtk.vfs.Daemon[4105]: Device 0 (VID=04e8
> and
> > > PID=6860) is a Samsung Galaxy models (MTP).
> > > Mar  2 12:19:26 kp4djt64 org.gtk.vfs.Daemon[4105]: ignoring
> > > libusb_claim_interface() = -6PTP_ERROR_IO: failed to open session,
> trying
> > > again after resetting USB interface
> > > Mar  2 12:19:26 kp4djt64 org.gtk.vfs.Daemon[4105]: LIBMTP libusb:
> Attempt
> > > to reset device
> > > Mar  2 12:19:26 kp4djt64 kernel: [11835.485849] usb 2-1.7.2: usbfs:
> > process
> > > 27583 (pool) did not claim interface 0 before use
> > > Mar  2 12:19:26 kp4djt64 kernel: [11835.572113] usb 2-1.7.2: reset
> > > high-speed USB device number 11 using ehci-pci
> > > Mar  2 12:19:26 kp4djt64 org.gtk.vfs.Daemon[1912]: LIBMTP PANIC: Unable
> > to
> > > read device information on device 11 on bus 2, trying to continue
> > > Mar  2 12:19:26 kp4djt64 org.gtk.vfs.Daemon[1912]: ** (gvfsd:2939):
> > WARNING
> > > **: dbus_mount_reply: Error from org.gtk.vfs.Mountable.mount(): Unable
> to
> > > open MTP device '[usb:002,011]'
> > > Mar  2 12:19:26 kp4djt64 kernel: [11835.682046] usb 2-1.7.2: usbfs:
> > process
> > > 27583 (pool) did not claim interface 0 before use
> > > Mar  2 12:19:26 kp4djt64 kernel: [11835.682113] usb 2-1.7.2: usbfs:
> > process
> > > 27580 (pool) did not claim interface 0 before use
> > > Mar  2 12:19:26 kp4djt64 org.gtk.vfs.Daemon[4105]: LIBMTP ERROR:
> couldnt
> > > parse extension samsung.com/devicestatus:1
> > > Mar  2 12:19:26 kp4djt64 org.gtk.vfs.Daemon[4105]: Error 1: Get Storage
> > > information failed.
> > > Mar  2 12:19:26 kp4djt64 org.gtk.vfs.Daemon[4105]: (process:4370):
> > > GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT
> > (object)'
> > > failed
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mar  2 12:19:43 kp4djt64 kernel: [11853.006731] usb 2-1.7.2: USB
> > > disconnect, device number 11
> > > Mar  2 12:19:43 kp4djt64 kernel: [11853.207485] usb 2-1.7.2: new
> > high-speed
> > > USB device number 12 using ehci-pci
> > > Mar  2 12:19:44 kp4djt64 kernel: [11853.302885] usb 2-1.7.2: New USB
> > device
> > > found, idVendor=04e8, idProduct=6860
> > > Mar  2 12:19:44 kp4djt64 kernel: [11853.302891] usb 2-1.7.2: New USB
> > device
> > > strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
> > > Mar  2 12:19:44 kp4djt64 

Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Mate Update Weirdness

[Nat Taylor]

sometimes a
sudo apt-get -f install
helps
(not sure if you can just use apt, like:
 sudo apt -f install
)

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:43 AM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Feb 2018, Rich Shepard wrote:
>
>  Yes, it's not called google-earth pro. Also, google-earth does not change
>>
>
>   Oops! That should be 'now' not 'not.'
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0

[Nat Taylor]

snap includes all the dependencies in the .snap, I believe.  Like an app on
osx

On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 4:04 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 15:18:13 -0800
> Tim Garton  dijo:
>
> >From what I've read online, I don't think the Linux version of 3.0 has
> >been released yet. I could be mistaken though
>
> I had it installed, so definitely released. But you have to install it
> with Snap; there are no .deb or .rpm packages yet. And from what I read
> on the VLC forums, they apparently have no intention of releasing .deb
> or .rpm packages. You can get the source, however, so I assume distro
> managers will soon make .debs and .rpms.
>
> This is my first time ever installing something with Snap. It's kind of
> strange and so far I'm not sure I like it. But my opinion will probably
> improve after I learn more about how it works and how to use it. After
> installing Snap, to install vlc you just do 'snap install vlc.' But
> unlike using apt-get where lines and lines of procedures appear in the
> terminal and remain there after apt-get finishes installing the
> application, Snap echoes lines explaining what it's doing, but they
> disappear immediately, too fast to read, being replaced by the next
> line. When it finished my terminal said:
>
> $sudo snap install vlc
> $vlc 3.0.0 from 'videolan' installed
>
> I had no record of the myriad things it did during the installation.
> There is probably an option to make the lines remain, but if I cannot
> see what it did after it finishes, Snap is not for me.
>
> I also note that there is now a root folder 'snap,' containing a readme
> file. In the readme it says 'the disk space consumed by the content
> under this directory is minimal as the real snap content never leaves
> the .snap file, Snaps are *mounted* rather than unpacked.' Sounds
> sort of like like .AppImage files.
>
> If anyone really understands Snap it might make a topic for a general
> meeting talk.
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Re: [PLUG] linux for a Ludite

[Nat Taylor]

Xubuntu with Cairo Dock is a nice, easy to use setup as well...

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Galen Seitz  wrote:

> On 11/11/17 12:38, Chuck Hast wrote:
> > Well I put Lubuntu on it and so far it does pretty good. She wants to
> learn
> > how to use the computer, (I offered a tablet, but no, now computer) so I
> am
> > going to take a poke at Lubuntu. I will put the needed apps on the
> desktop
> > and let her go at it. Thank you all for all the good ideas. If this fails
> > then I will
> > try to get her to go for the iPad.
>
> Alternatively, you may want to consider a Chromebook.  This is what I've
> done for relatives.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Please make it stop...

[Nat Taylor]

I notice you have gmail.  If for some reason you aren't removed, click the
More button above^, and select Filter Messages like these.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:55 AM, steve collins 
wrote:

> I want off this list. I was required to join almost 10 years ago for a
> college class. I have sent the request to unsubscribe about 15 times over
> the years and then it stops for a bit, but I always end up back here
> getting a ton of emails I don't want. Was it your server switch that
> brought me back?
> Anyways, as the unsubscribe feature has never fully worked, I request that
> some admin of this group remove me from your lists. I don't use Linux/UNIX
> and hold no value to this community.
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Re: [PLUG] Looking for an x86 Linux tablet

[Nat Taylor]

https://learn.adafruit.com/7-portable-raspberry-pi-multitouch-tablet/overview
https://makezine.com/2014/01/07/how-i-built-a-raspberry-pi-tablet/

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've got a Nokia N800 I'd sell, if I can find it.
> Another option would be an android tablet that you installed Debian on in
> a (chroot, basically, I htink)
> https://play.google.com/store/search?q=debian
> I have gnuroot debian installed, it works.
> You could also try the debian noroot.
> This appears to be an out of the box solution: https://www.bq.com/
> en/aquaris-m10
> I remember looking at that one when it came out.
> I found this article, but haven't read it all yet:
> http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/
> install-linux-on-your-x86-tablet-five-distros-to-choose-from-1162825
>
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Basically I'm looking for functionality similar to a PDA such as a Palm
>> Pilot. Ideally it would run an i386 build of Debian [no major problem with
>> AMD] - for maximum compatibility with my desktop and laptops.
>>
>> I don't have a good idea of what is available. My web searches have
>> gotten many hits on the day to day problems using one but relatively little
>> on what's available.
>>
>> Any suggestion for on line computer retailers [i.e. NOT amazon or ebay]
>> whose sites I should browse?
>>
>> Suggestions on "how to search" welcome.
>>
>> TIA
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