Re: kernel panic on a debian machine...

[greg zegan via PLUG-discuss]

 thank you.
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:51:09 AM MST, Michael Butash via 
PLUG-discuss  wrote:  
 
 Kernel panics are usually hardware related in my experience, I'd unplug all 
unnecessary usb and pci cards, then iso-image boot to run memtest86 on it.  If 
you can see the logs of the panic or leading up to it, see what component or 
driver is complaining, but if nothing else after everything is removed, I'd 
suspect memory, maybe even power supply.  Rarely see a cpu or mobo die unless 
it's got blown capacitors.
If nothing else, boot clonezilla iso (I think it should have memtest86 too), or 
any other linux boot cd and copy/clone the disk data that way to a target disk 
(ie usb), mounting your drive volumes as needed.  About as painless as it's 
going to get short of connecting the disk in another working linux system via 
usb carrier or direct.

-mb

On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 10:00 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:

Hello,  About a year ago I had for the first time a kernel panic error on my 
Debian 10 machine.  I didn't know how or have time to try and recover the OS.  
I chose to install a Debian 11 on a new drive.  That one is giving me some 
trouble as well now.Is there a poor mans way to recover the data or recover the 
OS?  Just pointme in the right 
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Re: kernel panic on a debian machine...

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Kernel panics are usually hardware related in my experience, I'd unplug all
unnecessary usb and pci cards, then iso-image boot to run memtest86 on it.
If you can see the logs of the panic or leading up to it, see what
component or driver is complaining, but if nothing else after everything is
removed, I'd suspect memory, maybe even power supply.  Rarely see a cpu or
mobo die unless it's got blown capacitors.

If nothing else, boot clonezilla iso (I think it should have memtest86
too), or any other linux boot cd and copy/clone the disk data that way to a
target disk (ie usb), mounting your drive volumes as needed.  About as
painless as it's going to get short of connecting the disk in another
working linux system via usb carrier or direct.

-mb


On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 10:00 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
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> Hello,
>   About a year ago I had for the first time a kernel panic error on my
> Debian 10 machine.  I didn't know how or
> have time to try and recover the OS.  I chose to install a Debian 11 on a
> new drive.  That one is giving me some trouble as well
> now.
> Is there a poor mans way to recover the data or recover the OS?  Just point
> me in the right direction.
> thanks,
> Greg
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Re: kernel panic on a debian machine...

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Spin Right is a good option to raw read data and reconstruct it someplace

https://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm

On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 1:01 PM James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss <
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> boot to livecd, either fix or transfer data.  that's how i do it when
> something goes horribly wrong
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 10:00 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>   About a year ago I had for the first time a kernel panic error on my
>> Debian 10 machine.  I didn't know how or
>> have time to try and recover the OS.  I chose to install a Debian 11 on a
>> new drive.  That one is giving me some trouble as well
>> now.
>> Is there a poor mans way to recover the data or recover the OS?  Just
>> point
>> me in the right direction.
>> thanks,
>> Greg
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Re: kernel panic on a debian machine...

[James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss]

boot to livecd, either fix or transfer data.  that's how i do it when
something goes horribly wrong

On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 10:00 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
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> Hello,
>   About a year ago I had for the first time a kernel panic error on my
> Debian 10 machine.  I didn't know how or
> have time to try and recover the OS.  I chose to install a Debian 11 on a
> new drive.  That one is giving me some trouble as well
> now.
> Is there a poor mans way to recover the data or recover the OS?  Just point
> me in the right direction.
> thanks,
> Greg
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Re: Kernel Panic

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That is expensive. I guess I'll just get myself a new NUC if it is the
motherboard.

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> Well I have seen on the market a new board that uses DDR 5 memory and
> advanced tech on the board with multiple M.2 slots and then some. I think
> it have a video connector as well. I moved on from looking at it because it
> was to expensive for me. It was over $600 and that is without the cpu or
> memory. I do remember it can use the AMD thread ripper. It's a beast.
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, at 10:20, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > thanks for the warning. the ssd is the last possibility. I cleaned it,
> > I replaced ram and I tried other OSes. This is the last thing before I
> > buy a new HDD; I reinstalled w/o a home directory. I doubt it will help
> > but maybe.after this I'm getting a cady and a spinner disk. then if I
> > do need a new computer I will get a box with video, motherboard, and
> > audio to have a completely modular system. have you heard of such a
> > beast (mb, audio, video box). Could you direct me to a place I could
> > get it?
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 12:59 PM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> >> Just be aware it might be the HDD but be careful if it still does it
> after changing the drive that it might be a possible problem of the
> motherboard.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, at 09:54, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >> > Thanks Harold. I’m thinking it’s my hdd as well though I have an sdd.
> >> > Whammy do you think about that?
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 12:50 PM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss
> >> >  wrote:
> >> >> I have been following this thread and I once had the same problem
> and found out it was a hardware issue.
> >> >> If you are still using the regular HDD then the hardware that read
> and writes to the HDD is failing and needs to be replaced.
> >> >> I use to have some new HDD and found some to have defects on the
> read and write hardware.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, at 09:11, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >> >> > Now the installer is crashing.
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > :-)~MIKE~(-:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 4:24 AM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss
> >> >> >  wrote:
> >> >> >> Have you done a nuke and pave install or are you limping your
> /home along? you could have some “could not be installed form of corrupted
> config file in your home that might be causing problems. worth a thought.
> and a stroll through your home dir.
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Re: Kernel Panic

[Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss]

Well I have seen on the market a new board that uses DDR 5 memory and advanced 
tech on the board with multiple M.2 slots and then some. I think it have a 
video connector as well. I moved on from looking at it because it was to 
expensive for me. It was over $600 and that is without the cpu or memory. I do 
remember it can use the AMD thread ripper. It's a beast.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, at 10:20, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> thanks for the warning. the ssd is the last possibility. I cleaned it, 
> I replaced ram and I tried other OSes. This is the last thing before I 
> buy a new HDD; I reinstalled w/o a home directory. I doubt it will help 
> but maybe.after this I'm getting a cady and a spinner disk. then if I 
> do need a new computer I will get a box with video, motherboard, and 
> audio to have a completely modular system. have you heard of such a 
> beast (mb, audio, video box). Could you direct me to a place I could 
> get it?
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 12:59 PM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>> Just be aware it might be the HDD but be careful if it still does it after 
>> changing the drive that it might be a possible problem of the motherboard.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, at 09:54, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > Thanks Harold. I’m thinking it’s my hdd as well though I have an sdd. 
>> > Whammy do you think about that?
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 12:50 PM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss 
>> >  wrote:
>> >> I have been following this thread and I once had the same problem and 
>> >> found out it was a hardware issue.
>> >> If you are still using the regular HDD then the hardware that read and 
>> >> writes to the HDD is failing and needs to be replaced.
>> >> I use to have some new HDD and found some to have defects on the read and 
>> >> write hardware.
>> >> 
>> >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, at 09:11, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> >> > Now the installer is crashing.
>> >> > -- 
>> >> > :-)~MIKE~(-:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 4:24 AM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss 
>> >> >  wrote:
>> >> >> Have you done a nuke and pave install or are you limping your /home 
>> >> >> along? you could have some “could not be installed form of corrupted 
>> >> >> config file in your home that might be causing problems. worth a 
>> >> >> thought. and a stroll through your home dir.
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Re: Kernel Panic

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thanks for the warning. the ssd is the last possibility. I cleaned it, I
replaced ram and I tried other OSes. This is the last thing before I buy a
new HDD; I reinstalled w/o a home directory. I doubt it will help but
maybe.after this I'm getting a cady and a spinner disk. then if I do need a
new computer I will get a box with video, motherboard, and audio to have a
completely modular system. have you heard of such a beast (mb, audio, video
box). Could you direct me to a place I could get it?

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 12:59 PM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Just be aware it might be the HDD but be careful if it still does it after
> changing the drive that it might be a possible problem of the motherboard.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, at 09:54, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Thanks Harold. I’m thinking it’s my hdd as well though I have an sdd.
> > Whammy do you think about that?
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 12:50 PM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> >> I have been following this thread and I once had the same problem and
> found out it was a hardware issue.
> >> If you are still using the regular HDD then the hardware that read and
> writes to the HDD is failing and needs to be replaced.
> >> I use to have some new HDD and found some to have defects on the read
> and write hardware.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, at 09:11, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >> > Now the installer is crashing.
> >> > --
> >> > :-)~MIKE~(-:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 4:24 AM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss
> >> >  wrote:
> >> >> Have you done a nuke and pave install or are you limping your /home
> along? you could have some “could not be installed form of corrupted config
> file in your home that might be causing problems. worth a thought. and a
> stroll through your home dir.
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Re: Kernel Panic

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Just be aware it might be the HDD but be careful if it still does it after 
changing the drive that it might be a possible problem of the motherboard.


On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, at 09:54, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Thanks Harold. I’m thinking it’s my hdd as well though I have an sdd. 
> Whammy do you think about that?
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 12:50 PM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>> I have been following this thread and I once had the same problem and found 
>> out it was a hardware issue.
>> If you are still using the regular HDD then the hardware that read and 
>> writes to the HDD is failing and needs to be replaced.
>> I use to have some new HDD and found some to have defects on the read and 
>> write hardware.
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, at 09:11, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > Now the installer is crashing.
>> > -- 
>> > :-)~MIKE~(-:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 4:24 AM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss 
>> >  wrote:
>> >> Have you done a nuke and pave install or are you limping your /home 
>> >> along? you could have some “could not be installed form of corrupted 
>> >> config file in your home that might be causing problems. worth a thought. 
>> >> and a stroll through your home dir.
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Re: Kernel Panic

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks Harold. I’m thinking it’s my hdd as well though I have an sdd.
Whammy do you think about that?

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 12:50 PM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I have been following this thread and I once had the same problem and
> found out it was a hardware issue.
> If you are still using the regular HDD then the hardware that read and
> writes to the HDD is failing and needs to be replaced.
> I use to have some new HDD and found some to have defects on the read and
> write hardware.
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, at 09:11, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Now the installer is crashing.
> > --
> > :-)~MIKE~(-:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 4:24 AM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> >> Have you done a nuke and pave install or are you limping your /home
> along? you could have some “could not be installed form of corrupted config
> file in your home that might be causing problems. worth a thought. and a
> stroll through your home dir.
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Re: Kernel Panic

[Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss]

I have been following this thread and I once had the same problem and found out 
it was a hardware issue.
If you are still using the regular HDD then the hardware that read and writes 
to the HDD is failing and needs to be replaced.
I use to have some new HDD and found some to have defects on the read and write 
hardware.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, at 09:11, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Now the installer is crashing.
> -- 
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 4:24 AM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>> Have you done a nuke and pave install or are you limping your /home along? 
>> you could have some “could not be installed form of corrupted config file in 
>> your home that might be causing problems. worth a thought. and a stroll 
>> through your home dir.
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Re: Kernel Panic

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

Now the installer is crashing.
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On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 4:24 AM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Have you done a nuke and pave install or are you limping your /home along?
> you could have some “could not be installed form of corrupted config file
> in your home that might be causing problems. worth a thought. and a stroll
> through your home dir.
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Re: Kernel Panic

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

I’ve been trying to preserve home. So that might be the problem? Yea,
manjaro wouldn’t install either. The boot loader could not be installed.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 4:24 AM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Have you done a nuke and pave install or are you limping your /home along?
> you could have some “could not be installed form of corrupted config file
> in your home that might be causing problems. worth a thought. and a stroll
> through your home dir.
> To
> Thanks for the update. Keep up the troubleshooting spirit!
>
> TTFN
> Matthew
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 10:23 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I spoke too soon. It boot into busybox this morning. So it is looking
>> like it is the hard drive after all. One mor operating system to try before
>> I buy the new hard drive. I was told arch works best so (while not arch)
>> manjaro is what I will try. I tried to install arch but it failed while I
>> was installing it.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 5:12 AM Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> okay, here is a little update. I installed 20.3 and ran it like two days
>>> with no busybox error. I then update the operating system (not
>>> dist-upgrade) and the next boot gave the hardware splashscreen and then it
>>> went black. So I can live with the computer but can't update it. Oh well.
>>> It will only be for a year!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 6:30 PM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
 eh. Just pointed you in the right direction. Good luck in your
 distro-hop.

 Matthew

 On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 3:28 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
 plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Thanks so much for taking the time out of your day to teach me how I
> should have looked into the error  and you solved my problem. So I’ll
> distro hop till I find something that doesn’t panic.
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 5:21 PM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Salutations.
>> Taking a peek at a quick internet search for the keywords "initramfs
>> zstd compression" and perusing the listings with the knowledge that 
>> Michael
>> is using Mint21 (I'm assuming it's similarly labeled following it's 
>> parent
>> of Ubuntu) it seems likely that there is an issue with the compression
>> being run on that particular hardware. Then I found this article by
>> Phoronix which gives added weight to the theory that it is a compression
>> problem: Ubuntu Rethinking Its Initramfs Compression Strategy -
>> Phoronix
>> 
>>
>> It's likely that Mint22 or even Ubuntu21.xx LTS will not have the
>> same problem. That's just my theory though. Use at your own discretion.
>>
>> As for this little jewel of disdain ridden text: "Who ever needed
>> init system support before systemd?" Literally anyone who wasn't familiar
>> with the technology and didn't RTFM.
>>
>> Just the thoughts of a Gentoo-Juvenile-now-Fedora-Adult.
>> Michael, Hope you find a solution you like for your woes.
>> Steve, Stay Sassy friend.
>>
>> TTFN
>> Matthew
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 1:13 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 19:47 +, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > You could go to a distro which has something other than systemd
>>> for init,
>>>
>>> Yes yes yes yes, YES!!!
>>>
>>> > but recognize  you will be missing some features (which could
>>> probably be done
>>> > with something else), the daemon services will be written and
>>> managed differently,
>>>
>>> s/differently/better/ in the case of the runit init system.
>>>
>>> > and there are a lot fewer people available for support.
>>>
>>> Who ever needed init system support before systemd?
>>>
>>> > Unfortunately, a bit of FLOSSware is written with the assumption
>>> you're using
>>> > systemd.
>>>
>>> Who needs Gnome and the Snap packager anyway?
>>>
>>> > I tried Artix for a hot minute but decided ultimately it wasn't
>>> for me because
>>> > either a) I am dependent on the distributers to maintain their
>>> repositories which
>>> > are often missing packages for configuring daemon services or b) I
>>> would be
>>> > compiling packages for myself and writing my own init scripts.
>>>
>>> Try Void Linux. All major software, and even some minor software, is
>>> supported. Void
>>> uses the Runit init system. With runit, writing your own init
>>> scripts (called run
>>> scripts) is trivial --- easier than writing a systemd Unit File.
>>>
>>> Note that the s6 init 

Re: Kernel Panic

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

Have you done a nuke and pave install or are you limping your /home along?
you could have some form of corrupted config file in your home that might
be causing problems. worth a thought. and a stroll through your home dir.

Thanks for the update. Keep up the troubleshooting spirit!

TTFN
Matthew

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 10:23 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I spoke too soon. It boot into busybox this morning. So it is looking like
> it is the hard drive after all. One mor operating system to try before I
> buy the new hard drive. I was told arch works best so (while not arch)
> manjaro is what I will try. I tried to install arch but it failed while I
> was installing it.
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 5:12 AM Michael  wrote:
>
>> okay, here is a little update. I installed 20.3 and ran it like two days
>> with no busybox error. I then update the operating system (not
>> dist-upgrade) and the next boot gave the hardware splashscreen and then it
>> went black. So I can live with the computer but can't update it. Oh well.
>> It will only be for a year!
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 6:30 PM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> eh. Just pointed you in the right direction. Good luck in your
>>> distro-hop.
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 3:28 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks so much for taking the time out of your day to teach me how I
 should have looked into the error  and you solved my problem. So I’ll
 distro hop till I find something that doesn’t panic.

 On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 5:21 PM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <
 plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Salutations.
> Taking a peek at a quick internet search for the keywords "initramfs
> zstd compression" and perusing the listings with the knowledge that 
> Michael
> is using Mint21 (I'm assuming it's similarly labeled following it's parent
> of Ubuntu) it seems likely that there is an issue with the compression
> being run on that particular hardware. Then I found this article by
> Phoronix which gives added weight to the theory that it is a compression
> problem: Ubuntu Rethinking Its Initramfs Compression Strategy -
> Phoronix
> 
>
> It's likely that Mint22 or even Ubuntu21.xx LTS will not have the same
> problem. That's just my theory though. Use at your own discretion.
>
> As for this little jewel of disdain ridden text: "Who ever needed init
> system support before systemd?" Literally anyone who wasn't familiar with
> the technology and didn't RTFM.
>
> Just the thoughts of a Gentoo-Juvenile-now-Fedora-Adult.
> Michael, Hope you find a solution you like for your woes.
> Steve, Stay Sassy friend.
>
> TTFN
> Matthew
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 1:13 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 19:47 +, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > You could go to a distro which has something other than systemd for
>> init,
>>
>> Yes yes yes yes, YES!!!
>>
>> > but recognize  you will be missing some features (which could
>> probably be done
>> > with something else), the daemon services will be written and
>> managed differently,
>>
>> s/differently/better/ in the case of the runit init system.
>>
>> > and there are a lot fewer people available for support.
>>
>> Who ever needed init system support before systemd?
>>
>> > Unfortunately, a bit of FLOSSware is written with the assumption
>> you're using
>> > systemd.
>>
>> Who needs Gnome and the Snap packager anyway?
>>
>> > I tried Artix for a hot minute but decided ultimately it wasn't for
>> me because
>> > either a) I am dependent on the distributers to maintain their
>> repositories which
>> > are often missing packages for configuring daemon services or b) I
>> would be
>> > compiling packages for myself and writing my own init scripts.
>>
>> Try Void Linux. All major software, and even some minor software, is
>> supported. Void
>> uses the Runit init system. With runit, writing your own init scripts
>> (called run
>> scripts) is trivial --- easier than writing a systemd Unit File.
>>
>> Note that the s6 init system is a little more complicated and
>> featureful, but what I
>> said about runit is true of s6 too.
>>
>> SteveT
>> A happy Void and Runit user for 7 years
>>
>>
>> ---
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>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>> 

Re: Kernel Panic

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

I spoke too soon. It boot into busybox this morning. So it is looking like
it is the hard drive after all. One mor operating system to try before I
buy the new hard drive. I was told arch works best so (while not arch)
manjaro is what I will try. I tried to install arch but it failed while I
was installing it.

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 5:12 AM Michael  wrote:

> okay, here is a little update. I installed 20.3 and ran it like two days
> with no busybox error. I then update the operating system (not
> dist-upgrade) and the next boot gave the hardware splashscreen and then it
> went black. So I can live with the computer but can't update it. Oh well.
> It will only be for a year!
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 6:30 PM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> eh. Just pointed you in the right direction. Good luck in your
>> distro-hop.
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 3:28 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks so much for taking the time out of your day to teach me how I
>>> should have looked into the error  and you solved my problem. So I’ll
>>> distro hop till I find something that doesn’t panic.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 5:21 PM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
 Salutations.
 Taking a peek at a quick internet search for the keywords "initramfs
 zstd compression" and perusing the listings with the knowledge that Michael
 is using Mint21 (I'm assuming it's similarly labeled following it's parent
 of Ubuntu) it seems likely that there is an issue with the compression
 being run on that particular hardware. Then I found this article by
 Phoronix which gives added weight to the theory that it is a compression
 problem: Ubuntu Rethinking Its Initramfs Compression Strategy -
 Phoronix 

 It's likely that Mint22 or even Ubuntu21.xx LTS will not have the same
 problem. That's just my theory though. Use at your own discretion.

 As for this little jewel of disdain ridden text: "Who ever needed init
 system support before systemd?" Literally anyone who wasn't familiar with
 the technology and didn't RTFM.

 Just the thoughts of a Gentoo-Juvenile-now-Fedora-Adult.
 Michael, Hope you find a solution you like for your woes.
 Steve, Stay Sassy friend.

 TTFN
 Matthew

 On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 1:13 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
 plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 19:47 +, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss
> wrote:
> >
> > You could go to a distro which has something other than systemd for
> init,
>
> Yes yes yes yes, YES!!!
>
> > but recognize  you will be missing some features (which could
> probably be done
> > with something else), the daemon services will be written and
> managed differently,
>
> s/differently/better/ in the case of the runit init system.
>
> > and there are a lot fewer people available for support.
>
> Who ever needed init system support before systemd?
>
> > Unfortunately, a bit of FLOSSware is written with the assumption
> you're using
> > systemd.
>
> Who needs Gnome and the Snap packager anyway?
>
> > I tried Artix for a hot minute but decided ultimately it wasn't for
> me because
> > either a) I am dependent on the distributers to maintain their
> repositories which
> > are often missing packages for configuring daemon services or b) I
> would be
> > compiling packages for myself and writing my own init scripts.
>
> Try Void Linux. All major software, and even some minor software, is
> supported. Void
> uses the Runit init system. With runit, writing your own init scripts
> (called run
> scripts) is trivial --- easier than writing a systemd Unit File.
>
> Note that the s6 init system is a little more complicated and
> featureful, but what I
> said about runit is true of s6 too.
>
> SteveT
> A happy Void and Runit user for 7 years
>
>
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Re: Kernel Panic

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

okay, here is a little update. I installed 20.3 and ran it like two days
with no busybox error. I then update the operating system (not
dist-upgrade) and the next boot gave the hardware splashscreen and then it
went black. So I can live with the computer but can't update it. Oh well.
It will only be for a year!

On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 6:30 PM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> eh. Just pointed you in the right direction. Good luck in your distro-hop.
>
> Matthew
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 3:28 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks so much for taking the time out of your day to teach me how I
>> should have looked into the error  and you solved my problem. So I’ll
>> distro hop till I find something that doesn’t panic.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 5:21 PM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Salutations.
>>> Taking a peek at a quick internet search for the keywords "initramfs
>>> zstd compression" and perusing the listings with the knowledge that Michael
>>> is using Mint21 (I'm assuming it's similarly labeled following it's parent
>>> of Ubuntu) it seems likely that there is an issue with the compression
>>> being run on that particular hardware. Then I found this article by
>>> Phoronix which gives added weight to the theory that it is a compression
>>> problem: Ubuntu Rethinking Its Initramfs Compression Strategy - Phoronix
>>> 
>>>
>>> It's likely that Mint22 or even Ubuntu21.xx LTS will not have the same
>>> problem. That's just my theory though. Use at your own discretion.
>>>
>>> As for this little jewel of disdain ridden text: "Who ever needed init
>>> system support before systemd?" Literally anyone who wasn't familiar with
>>> the technology and didn't RTFM.
>>>
>>> Just the thoughts of a Gentoo-Juvenile-now-Fedora-Adult.
>>> Michael, Hope you find a solution you like for your woes.
>>> Steve, Stay Sassy friend.
>>>
>>> TTFN
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 1:13 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
 On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 19:47 +, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
 >
 > You could go to a distro which has something other than systemd for
 init,

 Yes yes yes yes, YES!!!

 > but recognize  you will be missing some features (which could
 probably be done
 > with something else), the daemon services will be written and managed
 differently,

 s/differently/better/ in the case of the runit init system.

 > and there are a lot fewer people available for support.

 Who ever needed init system support before systemd?

 > Unfortunately, a bit of FLOSSware is written with the assumption
 you're using
 > systemd.

 Who needs Gnome and the Snap packager anyway?

 > I tried Artix for a hot minute but decided ultimately it wasn't for
 me because
 > either a) I am dependent on the distributers to maintain their
 repositories which
 > are often missing packages for configuring daemon services or b) I
 would be
 > compiling packages for myself and writing my own init scripts.

 Try Void Linux. All major software, and even some minor software, is
 supported. Void
 uses the Runit init system. With runit, writing your own init scripts
 (called run
 scripts) is trivial --- easier than writing a systemd Unit File.

 Note that the s6 init system is a little more complicated and
 featureful, but what I
 said about runit is true of s6 too.

 SteveT
 A happy Void and Runit user for 7 years


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Re: Kernel Panic

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

eh. Just pointed you in the right direction. Good luck in your distro-hop.

Matthew

On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 3:28 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Thanks so much for taking the time out of your day to teach me how I
> should have looked into the error  and you solved my problem. So I’ll
> distro hop till I find something that doesn’t panic.
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 5:21 PM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Salutations.
>> Taking a peek at a quick internet search for the keywords "initramfs zstd
>> compression" and perusing the listings with the knowledge that Michael is
>> using Mint21 (I'm assuming it's similarly labeled following it's parent of
>> Ubuntu) it seems likely that there is an issue with the compression being
>> run on that particular hardware. Then I found this article by Phoronix
>> which gives added weight to the theory that it is a compression problem: 
>> Ubuntu
>> Rethinking Its Initramfs Compression Strategy - Phoronix
>> 
>>
>> It's likely that Mint22 or even Ubuntu21.xx LTS will not have the same
>> problem. That's just my theory though. Use at your own discretion.
>>
>> As for this little jewel of disdain ridden text: "Who ever needed init
>> system support before systemd?" Literally anyone who wasn't familiar with
>> the technology and didn't RTFM.
>>
>> Just the thoughts of a Gentoo-Juvenile-now-Fedora-Adult.
>> Michael, Hope you find a solution you like for your woes.
>> Steve, Stay Sassy friend.
>>
>> TTFN
>> Matthew
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 1:13 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 19:47 +, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > You could go to a distro which has something other than systemd for
>>> init,
>>>
>>> Yes yes yes yes, YES!!!
>>>
>>> > but recognize  you will be missing some features (which could probably
>>> be done
>>> > with something else), the daemon services will be written and managed
>>> differently,
>>>
>>> s/differently/better/ in the case of the runit init system.
>>>
>>> > and there are a lot fewer people available for support.
>>>
>>> Who ever needed init system support before systemd?
>>>
>>> > Unfortunately, a bit of FLOSSware is written with the assumption
>>> you're using
>>> > systemd.
>>>
>>> Who needs Gnome and the Snap packager anyway?
>>>
>>> > I tried Artix for a hot minute but decided ultimately it wasn't for me
>>> because
>>> > either a) I am dependent on the distributers to maintain their
>>> repositories which
>>> > are often missing packages for configuring daemon services or b) I
>>> would be
>>> > compiling packages for myself and writing my own init scripts.
>>>
>>> Try Void Linux. All major software, and even some minor software, is
>>> supported. Void
>>> uses the Runit init system. With runit, writing your own init scripts
>>> (called run
>>> scripts) is trivial --- easier than writing a systemd Unit File.
>>>
>>> Note that the s6 init system is a little more complicated and
>>> featureful, but what I
>>> said about runit is true of s6 too.
>>>
>>> SteveT
>>> A happy Void and Runit user for 7 years
>>>
>>>
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Re: Kernel Panic

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks so much for taking the time out of your day to teach me how I should
have looked into the error  and you solved my problem. So I’ll distro hop
till I find something that doesn’t panic.

On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 5:21 PM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Salutations.
> Taking a peek at a quick internet search for the keywords "initramfs zstd
> compression" and perusing the listings with the knowledge that Michael is
> using Mint21 (I'm assuming it's similarly labeled following it's parent of
> Ubuntu) it seems likely that there is an issue with the compression being
> run on that particular hardware. Then I found this article by Phoronix
> which gives added weight to the theory that it is a compression problem: 
> Ubuntu
> Rethinking Its Initramfs Compression Strategy - Phoronix
> 
>
> It's likely that Mint22 or even Ubuntu21.xx LTS will not have the same
> problem. That's just my theory though. Use at your own discretion.
>
> As for this little jewel of disdain ridden text: "Who ever needed init
> system support before systemd?" Literally anyone who wasn't familiar with
> the technology and didn't RTFM.
>
> Just the thoughts of a Gentoo-Juvenile-now-Fedora-Adult.
> Michael, Hope you find a solution you like for your woes.
> Steve, Stay Sassy friend.
>
> TTFN
> Matthew
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 1:13 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 19:47 +, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> >
>> > You could go to a distro which has something other than systemd for
>> init,
>>
>> Yes yes yes yes, YES!!!
>>
>> > but recognize  you will be missing some features (which could probably
>> be done
>> > with something else), the daemon services will be written and managed
>> differently,
>>
>> s/differently/better/ in the case of the runit init system.
>>
>> > and there are a lot fewer people available for support.
>>
>> Who ever needed init system support before systemd?
>>
>> > Unfortunately, a bit of FLOSSware is written with the assumption you're
>> using
>> > systemd.
>>
>> Who needs Gnome and the Snap packager anyway?
>>
>> > I tried Artix for a hot minute but decided ultimately it wasn't for me
>> because
>> > either a) I am dependent on the distributers to maintain their
>> repositories which
>> > are often missing packages for configuring daemon services or b) I
>> would be
>> > compiling packages for myself and writing my own init scripts.
>>
>> Try Void Linux. All major software, and even some minor software, is
>> supported. Void
>> uses the Runit init system. With runit, writing your own init scripts
>> (called run
>> scripts) is trivial --- easier than writing a systemd Unit File.
>>
>> Note that the s6 init system is a little more complicated and featureful,
>> but what I
>> said about runit is true of s6 too.
>>
>> SteveT
>> A happy Void and Runit user for 7 years
>>
>>
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Re: Kernel Panic

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

Salutations.
Taking a peek at a quick internet search for the keywords "initramfs zstd
compression" and perusing the listings with the knowledge that Michael is
using Mint21 (I'm assuming it's similarly labeled following it's parent of
Ubuntu) it seems likely that there is an issue with the compression being
run on that particular hardware. Then I found this article by Phoronix
which gives added weight to the theory that it is a compression problem: Ubuntu
Rethinking Its Initramfs Compression Strategy - Phoronix


It's likely that Mint22 or even Ubuntu21.xx LTS will not have the same
problem. That's just my theory though. Use at your own discretion.

As for this little jewel of disdain ridden text: "Who ever needed init
system support before systemd?" Literally anyone who wasn't familiar with
the technology and didn't RTFM.

Just the thoughts of a Gentoo-Juvenile-now-Fedora-Adult.
Michael, Hope you find a solution you like for your woes.
Steve, Stay Sassy friend.

TTFN
Matthew

On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 1:13 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 19:47 +, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >
> > You could go to a distro which has something other than systemd for
> init,
>
> Yes yes yes yes, YES!!!
>
> > but recognize  you will be missing some features (which could probably
> be done
> > with something else), the daemon services will be written and managed
> differently,
>
> s/differently/better/ in the case of the runit init system.
>
> > and there are a lot fewer people available for support.
>
> Who ever needed init system support before systemd?
>
> > Unfortunately, a bit of FLOSSware is written with the assumption you're
> using
> > systemd.
>
> Who needs Gnome and the Snap packager anyway?
>
> > I tried Artix for a hot minute but decided ultimately it wasn't for me
> because
> > either a) I am dependent on the distributers to maintain their
> repositories which
> > are often missing packages for configuring daemon services or b) I would
> be
> > compiling packages for myself and writing my own init scripts.
>
> Try Void Linux. All major software, and even some minor software, is
> supported. Void
> uses the Runit init system. With runit, writing your own init scripts
> (called run
> scripts) is trivial --- easier than writing a systemd Unit File.
>
> Note that the s6 init system is a little more complicated and featureful,
> but what I
> said about runit is true of s6 too.
>
> SteveT
> A happy Void and Runit user for 7 years
>
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Re: Kernel Panic

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

I’m considering void but will home be persistent brig it was made on Ubuntu?

On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 3:13 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 19:47 +, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >
> > You could go to a distro which has something other than systemd for
> init,
>
> Yes yes yes yes, YES!!!
>
> > but recognize  you will be missing some features (which could probably
> be done
> > with something else), the daemon services will be written and managed
> differently,
>
> s/differently/better/ in the case of the runit init system.
>
> > and there are a lot fewer people available for support.
>
> Who ever needed init system support before systemd?
>
> > Unfortunately, a bit of FLOSSware is written with the assumption you're
> using
> > systemd.
>
> Who needs Gnome and the Snap packager anyway?
>
> > I tried Artix for a hot minute but decided ultimately it wasn't for me
> because
> > either a) I am dependent on the distributers to maintain their
> repositories which
> > are often missing packages for configuring daemon services or b) I would
> be
> > compiling packages for myself and writing my own init scripts.
>
> Try Void Linux. All major software, and even some minor software, is
> supported. Void
> uses the Runit init system. With runit, writing your own init scripts
> (called run
> scripts) is trivial --- easier than writing a systemd Unit File.
>
> Note that the s6 init system is a little more complicated and featureful,
> but what I
> said about runit is true of s6 too.
>
> SteveT
> A happy Void and Runit user for 7 years
>
>
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Re: Kernel Panic

[Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss]

On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 19:47 +, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> 
> You could go to a distro which has something other than systemd for init, 

Yes yes yes yes, YES!!!

> but recognize  you will be missing some features (which could probably be done
> with something else), the daemon services will be written and managed 
> differently,

s/differently/better/ in the case of the runit init system.

> and there are a lot fewer people available for support. 

Who ever needed init system support before systemd?

> Unfortunately, a bit of FLOSSware is written with the assumption you're using
> systemd. 

Who needs Gnome and the Snap packager anyway?

> I tried Artix for a hot minute but decided ultimately it wasn't for me because
> either a) I am dependent on the distributers to maintain their repositories 
> which
> are often missing packages for configuring daemon services or b) I would be
> compiling packages for myself and writing my own init scripts.

Try Void Linux. All major software, and even some minor software, is supported. 
Void
uses the Runit init system. With runit, writing your own init scripts (called 
run
scripts) is trivial --- easier than writing a systemd Unit File. 

Note that the s6 init system is a little more complicated and featureful, but 
what I
said about runit is true of s6 too.

SteveT
A happy Void and Runit user for 7 years


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Re: Kernel Panic

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

interesting. well... I would like to go back to the previous version but I
can't. I updated and then things went bonkers and they don't keep more than
the latest version on the mint site. what about the /home situation.  will
/home be persistent across distros?

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 3:47 PM T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I don't know the reason for why that is happening to you, but to me it
> seems like the initial ram state when your machine boots is not configured
> correctly. It is not finding systemd I guess. This is something your
> package manager should be doing when you upgrade kernel versions. Look up
> mkinitcpio. I'm only really familiar with this on Arch and maybe gentoo a
> bit. If this is happening when you upgrade to a new Ubuntu big version
> number, maybe you consider sticking to the older one for a bit. Don't feel
> bad about sticking to an LTS kernel if you want.
>
> You can distro hop if you want, but I generally would say if your machine
> is not stable to just downgrade to an older version if possible. You could
> go to a distro which has something other than systemd for init, but
> recognize  you will be missing some features (which could probably be done
> with something else), the daemon services will be written and managed
> differently, and there are a lot fewer people available for support.
> Unfortunately, a bit of FLOSSware is written with the assumption you're
> using systemd. I tried Artix for a hot minute but decided ultimately it
> wasn't for me because either a) I am dependent on the distributers to
> maintain their repositories which are often missing packages for
> configuring daemon services or b) I would be compiling packages for myself
> and writing my own init scripts.
>
> If you're the only person experiencing this, you're probably doing
> something wrong or there's something irregular about your existing system.
>
> I have no idea if this is helpful, but good luck,
> --Zack
>
> Aug 16, 2022 11:34:46 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>:
>
> here is the attempt at support if you want to look at it and you are on
> mint's forum.
> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49=378087=20
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 2:16 PM Michael  wrote:
>
>> I've been fighting with Mint for a while now. I installed mint21 and it
>> runs great for about 5 loads then stuff happens. First it would boot into
>> busybox. I tryed the fsck and that would work sometimes then the kernel
>> began to panic after a week. I would reinstall and the process (busy
>> box reinstall) would start over. This has been going on about two
>> weeks. The kernel paniced tonight (it skipped the busybox step) and I
>> finally looked at the output:
>>
>> initramfs unpacking failed: ZSTD - compressed data is corrupt
>> Failed to execute /init (error - 2)
>> Kernel panic - not syncing: No working init found.
>> Try passing init=option to kernel.
>>
>> So I ask those who are much smarter than me (you) what all this means.
>> What init=option could I pass to the kernel? And what about the ZSTD.
>> data?
>> What can I do?
>> You know, now that I think about it this problem coincides with the date
>> of the new release (or at least my update of the system after such). Things
>> that make you go h.
>> That was a post onto Mint's support page. I haven't received any replies
>> in like 4 days. I am thinking it is time to try a different distro. I was
>> thinking about VOID. A couple of questions: what about my /home partition,
>> will it transfer seamlessly? Do you think void will fix the problem or else
>> what do you recommend?
>> --
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>>
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Re: Kernel Panic

[T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss]

I don't know the reason for why that is happening to you, but to me it seems 
like the initial ram state when your machine boots is not configured correctly. 
It is not finding systemd I guess. This is something your package manager 
should be doing when you upgrade kernel versions. Look up mkinitcpio. I'm only 
really familiar with this on Arch and maybe gentoo a bit. If this is happening 
when you upgrade to a new Ubuntu big version number, maybe you consider 
sticking to the older one for a bit. Don't feel bad about sticking to an LTS 
kernel if you want.

You can distro hop if you want, but I generally would say if your machine is 
not stable to just downgrade to an older version if possible. You could go to a 
distro which has something other than systemd for init, but recognize  you will 
be missing some features (which could probably be done with something else), 
the daemon services will be written and managed differently, and there are a 
lot fewer people available for support. Unfortunately, a bit of FLOSSware is 
written with the assumption you're using systemd. I tried Artix for a hot 
minute but decided ultimately it wasn't for me because either a) I am dependent 
on the distributers to maintain their repositories which are often missing 
packages for configuring daemon services or b) I would be compiling packages 
for myself and writing my own init scripts.

If you're the only person experiencing this, you're probably doing something 
wrong or there's something irregular about your existing system.

I have no idea if this is helpful, but good luck,
--Zack

Aug 16, 2022 11:34:46 Michael via PLUG-discuss 
:

> here is the attempt at support if you want to look at it and you are on 
> mint's forum.
> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49=378087=20
> 
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 2:16 PM Michael  wrote:
>> I've been fighting with Mint for a while now. I installed mint21 and it runs 
>> great for about 5 loads then stuff happens. First it would boot into 
>> busybox. I tryed the fsck and that would work sometimes then the kernel 
>> began to panic after a week. I would reinstall and the process (busy box 
>> reinstall) would start over. This has been going on about two weeks. The 
>> kernel paniced tonight (it skipped the busybox step) and I finally looked at 
>> the output:
>> 
>> initramfs unpacking failed: ZSTD - compressed data is corrupt
>> Failed to execute /init (error - 2)
>> Kernel panic - not syncing: No working init found.
>> Try passing init=option to kernel.
>> 
>> So I ask those who are much smarter than me (you) what all this means.
>> What init=option could I pass to the kernel? And what about the ZSTD. 
>> data?
>> What can I do?
>> You know, now that I think about it this problem coincides with the date of 
>> the new release (or at least my update of the system after such). Things 
>> that make you go h.
>> That was a post onto Mint's support page. I haven't received any replies in 
>> like 4 days. I am thinking it is time to try a different distro. I was 
>> thinking about VOID. A couple of questions: what about my /home partition, 
>> will it transfer seamlessly? Do you think void will fix the problem or else 
>> what do you recommend?
>> -- 
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
> 
> 
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Re: Kernel Panic

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

here is the attempt at support if you want to look at it and you are on
mint's forum.
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49=378087=20

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 2:16 PM Michael  wrote:

> I've been fighting with Mint for a while now. I installed mint21 and it
> runs great for about 5 loads then stuff happens. First it would boot into
> busybox. I tryed the fsck and that would work sometimes then the kernel
> began to panic after a week. I would reinstall and the process (busy
> box reinstall) would start over. This has been going on about two
> weeks. The kernel paniced tonight (it skipped the busybox step) and I
> finally looked at the output:
>
> initramfs unpacking failed: ZSTD - compressed data is corrupt
> Failed to execute /init (error - 2)
> Kernel panic - not syncing: No working init found.
> Try passing init=option to kernel.
>
> So I ask those who are much smarter than me (you) what all this means.
> What init=option could I pass to the kernel? And what about the ZSTD.
> data?
> What can I do?
> You know, now that I think about it this problem coincides with the date
> of the new release (or at least my update of the system after such). Things
> that make you go h.
> That was a post onto Mint's support page. I haven't received any replies
> in like 4 days. I am thinking it is time to try a different distro. I was
> thinking about VOID. A couple of questions: what about my /home partition,
> will it transfer seamlessly? Do you think void will fix the problem or else
> what do you recommend?
> --
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>


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